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[QUOTE=John Wise; 1872122][b]I understand that money in exchange for sex is illegal in Michigan. My question is regarding Massages. If you show up for massage / body rub how is that illegal? Paying for massages is not actually illegal so how is it considered illegal (at least for the person receiving)? I guess they could prove a pattern with the SP and bust her / him but I don't see how its illegal for someone to show up for a massage.

So if one were to get busted in some type of sting what is the legal classification:[/b]

LE has a big bag of tricks. They can charge you with a ton of crimes, one of them being "loitering with intent to solicit prostitution." Then you can tell your story to the judge.

[b]Is this a simple misdemeanor with a ticket and fine?

Or is this a felony including being cuffed and stuffed into a cop car and locked up requiring someone to bail you out? [/b]

Solicitation is a misdemeanor in most city / states. In most cases the solicitation charge will be reduced to a BS charge like disorderly conduct, trespassing, etc. In some city / states like Oklahoma it's a felony to solicit within X-amount of feet of a church or school. And in Phoenix you will do a mandatory 3 days in jail. It's really just a slap on the hand in most metro Detroit cities (except Warren) $900 plus towing to get your car out of impound the 1st time, $1800 the 2nd, $2700 the 3rd, and so on. About $500 in court costs (do not get an attorney, you don't need one. Especially one of the Vultures that work or hang out at the court) Yes you will be cuffed, and may or may not be stuffed into a cop car. Most likely you won't be taken to jail.

[b]Can this land a person on the sex offender list? I mean there are stories of guys getting on the list for pissing in public! [/b]

This is one of those city by city, state by state things. Every city / state has different laws. Some will throw the book at you and some will slap you on the hand. When I get some free time I will post a step by step of how a sting goes down and what happens afterwords in court.[/QUOTE]What's the difference in Warren?

I think JW knows what he is talking about. The only thing I disagree with is not getting an attorney. I don't even like attorneys but based on my own experience from now on the rest of my life if I EVER have to go to court for ANY reason, I will ALWAYS retain an attorney. And a good one. Even if he's expensive. Because even if they are expensive it's still worth if it, if they are good.

The good ones are expensive but. You find out later it is still cheaper than the nickel and dime fees the courts charge and just keep tacking on. Not to mention they can reduce a sentence significantly. Where as if you just roll the dice with the Judge, you really don't know what's going to happen. And you can get fucked, like I did. You may get a favorable sentence, you may not. You just don't know. Maybe somebody took a dump in the Judges wheaties that morning and he's just in a bad mood. Or maybe he's a pillar of the community (or thinks he is) and wants to make an example out of you. Who knows. But it ain't worth it to just roll the dice with a judge. Always get a GOOD attorney. Even for this hobby. That's my 2 cents.

Have fun play safe,

Grinder264

Would anybody be willing to share their experience of a run in with LEO from seeing a BP girl?

I've been in this hobby for almost 20 years and while there were times that I was safe and made sure to read reviews, check pics, etc, I feel like I've made a lot of unsafe moves too. From calling the newspaper ads from the pay phone inside the motel 6 to seeing girls who I was sure had fake pics to asking explicit questions on the phone and before the LEO check. I've never been busted (knock on wood) , so I'd like to hear from someone that has.

In retrospect, was it something that could have been avoided if you were more aware or was it just a case of really bad luck?

[QUOTE=John Wise;1872104]Really? I never gave you her number.[/QUOTE]I was wondering about that post. I know that JW only said he would give digits to seniors. I was afraid I missed out!

[QUOTE=Power69; 1858637]I gave Lilsecret a call a couple of weeks ago. Easy to set up. I called to give her a couple of hours notice and she said she needed it that day. Very far western suburbs, almost Ypsi. About a 4 call system. There was consruction the area and she routed me around it. Not hard to find. She guided me in nicely.

Nice safe neighborhood. (Doesn't mean some angry boyfriend couldn't show up but seriously there was nothing like that.)

She greeted me in just a bathrobe as sometimes girls do. It was nice. She said she had been doing yardwork and she wanted to shower and be cleaned up for me. I had been doing the same and I showered for her before I came to see her. Maybe next time we should just save water and do it together.

She is a very petitie thing. Can't be more than 4 10. No ink of any amount that I could see. Really nice skin. But with quite a set of bodacious tatas, robe opened up pretty quick. Pictures are definitely her. Some guys might complain about them hanging a bit but they got to hang some when they get so big. We walked to the spare bedroom and sat on mattress on floor (why is mattress on fhe floor so standard for this kind of thing) and talked a bit. Could be cleaner but really a nice overall environment. I went 1. 4 vs the requested 1. 5 cause my son hit me up before I left my house LOL. She had no problem with that. She asked me if I wanted or could do MSOG. Not sure if that was for my benefit or hers LOL.

Anyway a little hugging, smooching, then LFK then maybe medium FK. Was nice. She wanted to gve me a little massage. So I laid on my stomach. Was pretty decent. Her robe was off at this point. It wasn't long till we both wanted me to flip and she sort of went to work quickly going down on me. Then I worked down to some 69. She was very clean.

Then covered up for some fine RCG. Then regular CG. She asked if she could cum and I said go for it. She stimulated herself for a minute or two and then got off. Sort of quietly but nicely. Then I opted for some doggie and I got off. I didn't try for a second shot.

She had her own covers there. She said she wouldn't think of asking me to bring my own. I think she started into this by doing duos with a gf or roomie. She said she's low volume, a couple of dates a week. Although I am guessing her volume is going up based on other reviews online of her.

Afterwards, gave me a little tour of a home improvement project and I gave her some pointers. Course there was a one room with a closed door. Never know about what's behind closed doors LOL.

She's a great little MILF. Not skinny but realistic and nicely built. Very nice and well mannered. I recommend if you don't mind the drive. I'm going to see her again.[/QUOTE]Great review Power! That cemented my decision to not put off seeing her any longer.

[QUOTE=Grinder264; 1872378]I think JW knows what he is talking about. The only thing I disagree with is not getting an attorney. I don't even like attorneys but based on my own experience from now on the rest of my life if I EVER have to go to court for ANY reason, I will ALWAYS retain an attorney. And a good one. Even if he's expensive. Because even if they are expensive it's still worth if it, if they are good.

The good ones are expensive but. You find out later it is still cheaper than the nickel and dime fees the courts charge and just keep tacking on. Not to mention they can reduce a sentence significantly. Where as if you just roll the dice with the Judge, you really don't know what's going to happen. And you can get fucked, like I did. You may get a favorable sentence, you may not. You just don't know. Maybe somebody took a dump in the Judges wheaties that morning and he's just in a bad mood. Or maybe he's a pillar of the community (or thinks he is) and wants to make an example out of you. Who knows. But it ain't worth it to just roll the dice with a judge. Always get a GOOD attorney. Even for this hobby. That's my 2 cents.

Have fun play safe,

Grinder264[/QUOTE]Here is an idea. Maybe we get a thread dedicated to information that a monger can use to help avoid getting into a jam and some leads on helping him get out of a jam. I. E. All the good tips about research, LEO do's and don't, negotiations, good attorneys. That type of thing. Like a FAQ for the Metro Detroit area. A dedicated thread that we can direct anyone with non-provider review questions to. Call it something like Help! I have a question. Or, The Monger Manual.

Maybe take John Wise's thread about Research, rename it and see if we can have it permanently at the top of the thread list?

[QUOTE=Moriarty1875; 1866651]Don't let the haters get your goat. The mods won't weigh in on this unless the thread really gets derailed by some kind of drama. This is exactly where you should be posting your questions when they relate to BP advertisers. SW questions belong in the SW thread, and so on. If this forum maintained the kind of strict content purity that some seem to want, and it consisted of nothing more than a daily report of who stuck what into whom for how much $$, I would never have stayed around long enough to become a senior member.

Members in other forum locales have done a lot more with the flexibility of the site model than we have here in Michigan. If you really want to start a separate thread for non-review material, you can do that. It seems like the mongers around here are just more casual about blending the reporting and the discussion.[/QUOTE]Excellent point. I have always viewed things around here as a repository of information. Information around here can help save your ass. Personally I enjoy the extra conversation and usually learn a few things along the way.

[QUOTE=Moriarty1875; 1866651]Don't let the haters get your goat. The mods won't weigh in on this unless the thread really gets derailed by some kind of drama. This is exactly where you should be posting your questions when they relate to BP advertisers. SW questions belong in the SW thread, and so on. If this forum maintained the kind of strict content purity that some seem to want, and it consisted of nothing more than a daily report of who stuck what into whom for how much $$, I would never have stayed around long enough to become a senior member.

Members in other forum locales have done a lot more with the flexibility of the site model than we have here in Michigan. If you really want to start a separate thread for non-review material, you can do that. It seems like the mongers around here are just more casual about blending the reporting and the discussion.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ArmySexy77; 1867721][url]http://detroit.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/big-perkey-titties-34d-115lbs-loves-kissing-and-pleasing-8000-half-hour-35/13522312[/url]

Nothing came up with searches on the site, ER does have one new review, not paying that site the read the entire thing. Wonder if someone has procured her services.[/QUOTE]This one had me tingling last night and after recon was sketchy I held off. Something about her face and titties. But I digress. She posted twice last night and each post was a different phone number. That screams red flag to me. A few other searches on her reveal another provider or two using the same phone number. Sounds like a pimp or service maybe? I sent a text from my hobby line asking what was up with the multiple girls and her response was thats my friend and I'm not working with her tonight. I dunno, just couldn't get a safe feeling about her. BUT if someone has seen her and can vouch then I might have to show her my little guy. Lmao.

Stay safe guys and thanks to everyone who contributes and makes this site great.

[QUOTE=FL4807; 1868414]Thinking of getting a body part removed? I have the answer for you. Enjoy the chuckle guys!

[url]http://detroit.backpage.com/BodyRubs/donna-aka-brooklyn-massages-manscapes-salt-scrubs-and-more-38/13979620[/url][/QUOTE]LMAO that's great. I know we can't expect a whole lot from some of these girls but if I am trying to choose from a few different girls the one with the more intelligent sounding post will get my vote the majority of the time. Is that wrong? LOL

[QUOTE=Grinder264; 1869800]Don't, I repeat DON'T waste your time and money.

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She does NOT look like the pics. She inists it's her but I don't think so. Unless after the pics she got plastic surgery and told the surgeon she wants to look shorter with smaller tits and a bigger ass.

She's young and wants the money up front and about 10 mins in is trying to rush you out the door. Her personality is very redneckish (sorry if I offended anyone). She did do BBBJ so that was cool, but her skills are lacking. And she said."Just don't precum cause that's gross" LOL. I said,"OK, I won't.", like I can help it. We did do mish, then k9, then HJ cause I wanted to COT. Really I was trying to give her a facial without warning her (I'm a shooter). I was trying to make her have as bad experience as I was having. Basically, if I would have just looked at her pics and jerked myself off it would have been better and I would have saved myself 100.

I almost called Miley but this ones pics looked good (to me anyway). Miley is young and new but knows what she is doing and genuinely likes to fuck. After an experience like this I always want to hurry up and see a good SP to get the bad taste out of my mouth.

Save your money.

Have fun, play safe,

Grinder264[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up Grinder. Those curves in those pics look great. Too bad she has to misrepresent herself.

Can someone tell me how to search perform a search with 3 letters?

Can't get any results for names like Sky or Tia when I tried to search them today.

[url]http://detroit.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-cougar-back-on-the-prowl-rrrrr-cc-accepted-leave-you-coming-back-for-more-41/11956493[/url]

Tried a search here but since its a 3 letter name I can't get any results.

She does have a couple reviews on NR. She also seems to be affiliated with a service (Simply Elegant). Is this a good or bad thing? She also mentions that she is a "friend of Lesley Cummings". Is this supposed to add some credibility or something? Lesley Cummings is on BP as well and has her own website and appears to be a local porn actress. That is all I have found regarding Lesley. Is she the owner of Simply Elegant or what? I did notice they have the same # so they are at least part of the same service.

Anyway I texted trying to get info on Sky. Got a reply of 150hh / 200h (which is actually a better rate than on NR). In reading the reviews it sounds like she works from home.

Looking for more info on her or the service she works for. I've never used a service so not sure what to expect as far as upselling and what not (or any other pros / cons).

Thanks,

TDB