Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Fatpig; 1200035]This used to be one of my ATF places but for me now run down by rushed service and upselling. NO different this time. I told Michelle the MSS if this was the same bad experience don't expect me back. So she gave me Sara. Sara was at Feeling in Herndon a few months ago and she upsells the fuck out of her services which are not that great.

Good shower, shitty 20 minute massage and a rub. She wanted. 8. For that I expect more service. I was talking to MSS and she came by and said I shorted her. I gave her. 6 and that was generous for 45 minutes of poor service.

Sorry but I should of went to see Blue at Enliven which she never let me down before. Oh well. All be Safe.

My definition of ATF:

Non rushed experience.

Friendly but not pushy.

Good massage first, this is most important.

Not asking for a fucking tip.

Not shorting me on time.

None[/QUOTE]Yeah, they do upsell at Feeling.

[QUOTE=Eerock;1200131]Not surprising. Given the closures in DC, you have alot of mongers coming across the river, and the girls know they are used to paying more. So they figure they can get more, even if they don't offer DC-level service, because hey, its not DC.[/QUOTE]We haven't been paying more in DC as for "service" is concerned.

[QUOTE=Serpico99;1199459]From your previous report on Sunny, did you pay just the house fee and not tip? Based on your report, tt seems the massage was good and she offered some level of service so why didn't you tip?[/QUOTE]There were no complaints from either the provider or facility manager. As I mentioned, they invited me back and offered a free massage after number eight. I'm not in this hobby to make the providers feel good and I'm not in this try and buy a girlfriend. For no TS and a good massage, even with a standard finish I didn't feel obligated to give a tip. And, as I said, there were no complaints. I think they were just happy to have the business. If there were complaints, I would have said I may tip better next time depending on the service (s) provided.

I have a few general rules regagrding this hobby: 1) Don't make me wait. If you don't have girls available, just say so; 2) If the girl (s) you do have are ugly (sometimes really ugly) , don't get mad if I pass. This is my money and I'm not wasting if on something that looks like a refuge; 3) When I pay the stated house fee, I expect to get the minimal service for that, including: a) Courtesy from the provider; be) TS (if the facility has it) with a throrough wash; and 3) a decent non-rushed massage. If I pay for 60 minutes that's what I expect to get. If I don't get all of this, I make it a point to complain to the manager (MMS) and indicate that I will not be back. I also don't tip for bad service.

I'm new to this forum and it's provided a lot of intel on NoVa. I know I was spoiled from the good old days of DC, but it seems there are some / many / a lot on this forum paying DC prices + for standard service. In some cases for less that standard service. I don't get that, but it is your money. Unfortunatly, this has an impact on the service and fees the rest of us have to pay.

Just my thoughts.

[QUOTE=BlkPrinceVa; 1201307]There were no complaints from either the provider or facility manager. As I mentioned, they invited me back and offered a free massage after number eight. I'm not in this hobby to make the providers feel good and I'm not in this try and buy a girlfriend. For no TS and a good massage, even with a standard finish I didn't feel obligated to give a tip. And, as I said, there were no complaints. I think they were just happy to have the business. If there were complaints, I would have said I may tip better next time depending on the service (s) provided.

I have a few general rules regagrding this hobby: 1) Don't make me wait. If you don't have girls available, just say so; 2) If the girl (s) you do have are ugly (sometimes really ugly) , don't get mad if I pass. This is my money and I'm not wasting if on something that looks like a refuge; 3) When I pay the stated house fee, I expect to get the minimal service for that, including: a) Courtesy from the provider; be) TS (if the facility has it) with a throrough wash; and 3) a decent non-rushed massage. If I pay for 60 minutes that's what I expect to get. If I don't get all of this, I make it a point to complain to the manager (MMS) and indicate that I will not be back. I also don't tip for bad service.

I'm new to this forum and it's provided a lot of intel on NoVa. I know I was spoiled from the good old days of DC, but it seems there are some / many / a lot on this forum paying DC prices + for standard service. In some cases for less that standard service. I don't get that, but it is your money. Unfortunatly, this has an impact on the service and fees the rest of us have to pay.

Just my thoughts.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, it's mongers like you who contribute to the piss poor attitude that these girls are giving out these days and other mongers have to put up with. So no TS and a good massage and you got an extra service but you did not tip? Yeah, no wonder why you think I paid too much LMAO. Get a clue.

[QUOTE=BlkPrinceVa; 1201307]For no TS and a good massage, even with a standard finish I didn't feel obligated to give a tip. And, as I said, there were no complaints. I think they were just happy to have the business. If there were complaints, I would have said I may tip better next time depending on the service (s) provided.

I have a few general rules regarding this hobby: I also don't tip for bad service.

I think its well established that the house money is just that the houses money. By not tipping for what appeared to be good service you basically just used her and tossed her nothing. Providers work for tips, if the service sucks fine complain, etc. But to not tip for good service, well maybe you are in the wrong hobby and should just find a regular legit massage place or one of the many independent massage therapist in the area who do not expect a tip, there are plenty of those. By no tipping, you just sour the hobby for us who do. That fact that they invited you back is amazing, let us know how that goes, I am sure the ladies will not be lining up and fighting over the chance to give you a massage knowing you don't tip.

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[QUOTE=BlkPrinceVa; 1201307]For no TS and a good massage, even with a standard finish I didn't feel obligated to give a tip. And, as I said, there were no complaints. I think they were just happy to have the business. If there were complaints, I would have said I may tip better next time depending on the service (s) provided.

I have a few general rules regarding this hobby: I also don't tip for bad service.

I think its well established that the house money is just that the houses money. By not tipping for what appeared to be good service you basically just used her and tossed her nothing. Providers work for tips, if the service sucks fine complain, etc. But to not tip for good service, well maybe you are in the wrong hobby and should just find a regular legit massage place or one of the many independent massage therapist in the area who do not expect a tip, there are plenty of those. By no tipping, you just sour the hobby for us who do. That fact that they invited you back is amazing, let us know how that goes, I am sure the ladies will not be lining up and fighting over the chance to give you a massage knowing you don't tip. [/QUOTE]FYI,

Out of the $80 house money, the therapist in question recd about $24. 00 of it. Don't think for a second that all of it goes to the house. Anyway, therapy in NOVA is higher than the US average by at least 20 bananas per visit.

Goes to show that living by the giver of all money has its downside as well. As far tipping goes, its a on the person himself if he wants too or not. In BlkPrinces case, IMHO he did what he needed to do. I certainly have had bad experiences in an AMP where I left $10.00 as a tip for no service but to each his own. Some guys here nay think that they need to leave $80-$100 as a tip for a HJ but I feel otherwise.

PC out

Stop by the place on Gallows Road this week for the first time ever, but I placed a call to make an appointment first. She said it wasn't busy and appointment not necessary. I was greeted by friendly MMS, took me to a room that was clean and cozy. She took my house fee of. 80 since I wanted the hour long massage. I drew a young looking K-gal named Lisa. Nice frame with a small bust. She was friendly and very social, and her massage technique was firm. Not much to seek in terms of playfulness as a matter of fact, she was mechanical. She wouldn't allow me to look up or turn my head to the side away form the massage table's port hole (just wanted to get a better view of her nice butt). After the massage, the flip was a standard NOVA finish with not much else offered or even discussed. TS came after the massage, but I did leave refreshed and relaxed and very clean. I dropped. 40 for the friendly service and she was content. I may return for the nice friendly service. Parking was good. Located next to other businesses so during the day if you make a B-line from your car to the door, you should be cool.

Have a great and safe Memorial day weekend y'all!

AC

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[QUOTE=Xooom; 1201799]FYI,

Out of the $80 house money, the therapist in question recd about $24. 00 of it. Don't think for a second that all of it goes to the house. Anyway, therapy in NOVA is higher than the US average by at least 20 bananas per visit.

Goes to show that living by the giver of all money has its downside as well. As far tipping goes, its a on the person himself if he wants too or not. In BlkPrinces case, IMHO he did what he needed to do. I certainly have had bad experiences in an AMP where I left $10. 00 as a tip for no service but to each his own. Some guys here nay think that they need to leave $80-$100 as a tip for a HJ but I feel otherwise.

PC out[/QUOTE]Interesting. Years ago in LA, when I was "closer" to some of the providers, the percentage there varied between about 40% and 60%. (the very popular ones could command the higher percentage based on the business they would bring the MP, or they'd move on).

For a good NOVA finish, I'd leave 40, occasionally for stellar service I will up a bit, but given I can have hassle free, appointments with private providers, who provide good value, why go much higher. Especially given the $80 house fee in NOVA.

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[QUOTE=Xooom; 1201799]FYI,

Out of the $80 house money, the therapist in question recd about $24. 00 of it. Don't think for a second that all of it goes to the house. Anyway, therapy in NOVA is higher than the US average by at least 20 bananas per visit.

Goes to show that living by the giver of all money has its downside as well. As far tipping goes, its a on the person himself if he wants too or not. In BlkPrinces case, IMHO he did what he needed to do. I certainly have had bad experiences in an AMP where I left $10. 00 as a tip for no service but to each his own. Some guys here nay think that they need to leave $80-$100 as a tip for a HJ but I feel otherwise.

PC out[/QUOTE]The fact that BlkPrince didn't encounter sheer anger proves that the therapist is getting paid something by the house, and if these places weren't paying the therapists at all, the owners would find themselves with serious legal trouble.

Leaving 80-100 for HJ from a middle-aged spa lady makes no sense, and drives up expectations. The market rate for therapeutic massage at a spa is around 60-80 / hour. There are quite a few younger ladies who do FBSM that includes a quality therapeutic massage and a topless / nude sensual component, which is quite interactive and doesn't require haggling or breathing kimchee, in the 120 range.

This means that the charge for HJ and roaming with a younger masseuse is 40-60 of the total fee. There are some girls who charge 160-180 / hour for FBSM, but these are the top of the field: young, tight-body hotties.

Assuming therapists see just 4 customers a day, if you give an 80 tip, you believe her job is worth 120, 000 / year.

At the end of the day, if someone wants to throw an extra 40-60 of his hard-earned money out unnecessarily, it's his money, but why not try tipping 60 instead of 100, and see if you notice the slightest loss in quality of service, then bank the savings for future ventures?

BlkPrinceVa: You should leave a tip for anything beyond a therapeutic massage. It doesn't have to be the crazy money some people are throwing, even if it's 10-20, just as a sign of appreciation and encouragement, but if you're stiffing them with nothing, it makes them more mercenary and less trusting with the rest of us.

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[QUOTE=Xooom; 1201799]FYI,

Out of the $80 house money, the therapist in question recd about $24. 00 of it. Don't think for a second that all of it goes to the house. Anyway, therapy in NOVA is higher than the US average by at least 20 bananas per visit.

Goes to show that living by the giver of all money has its downside as well. As far tipping goes, its a on the person himself if he wants too or not. In BlkPrinces case, IMHO he did what he needed to do. I certainly have had bad experiences in an AMP where I left $10. 00 as a tip for no service but to each his own. Some guys here nay think that they need to leave $80-$100 as a tip for a HJ but I feel otherwise.

PC out[/QUOTE]Only girls that get a cut of the house pay in NOVA are girls that have a legitimate massage license. And that is still around $20 that is negotiated with the MMS. These tend to be ladies on the older side that have lived in this area for awhile. NOVA requires a separate licence in addition to the national license that requires local residency and registration with the county. Younger girls that tend to come in from NY usually don't get a cut of the house money, but it depends on AMP and how bad they need staff.

I've dated a few, and you can PM me on this, but I'll tell you in general, most girls require tips if they are to make money working in this area. The MMS only care about themselves. They negotiate the best possible deal to maximize their own income.

Personally I've gotten a little burnt out of AMPs, a string of really bad service recently, and other places to spend my money. Every girl pretty much asks for the tip upfront these days and all the prettier girls have left for greener pastures. Its becoming exhausting.

[QUOTE=Bostonpeter; 1202377][QUOTE=Pcpc1688; 1202107]Only girls that get a cut of the house pay in NOVA are girls that have a legitimate massage license. And that is still around $20 that is negotiated with the MMS. These tend to be ladies on the older side that have lived in this area for awhile. NOVA requires a separate licence in addition to the national license that requires local residency and registration with the county. Younger girls that tend to come in from NY usually don't get a cut of the house money, but it depends on AMP and how bad they need staff.

I've dated a few, and you can PM me on this, but I'll tell you in general, most girls require tips if they are to make money working in this area. The MMS only care about themselves. They negotiate the best possible deal to maximize their own income.

Personally I've gotten a little burnt out of AMPs, a string of really bad service recently, and other places to spend my money. Every girl pretty much asks for the tip upfront these days and all the prettier girls have left for greener pastures. Its becoming exhausting.[/QUOTE]Indies are a nice change of pace from the AMPs. Where the therapist actually cares beyond the hour of service as they want return business.

Obviously your mileage still varies and some indi-therapists still upsell, but my experiences are better in indi-land. The AMPs can take a hike with this exhausting upsell approach. There are other options.

[QUOTE=Serpico99;1201624]Unfortunately, it's mongers like you who contribute to the piss poor attitude that these girls are giving out these days and other mongers have to put up with. So no TS and a good massage and you got an extra service but you did not tip? Yeah, no wonder why you think I paid too much LMAO. Get a clue.[/QUOTE]Based on the responses to our respective posts: 1) I should have tipped something, even if it was small. I agree and will do so in the future; and 2) Hobbiest like you are driving the cost up by paying way too much for minimal service. It's interesting you never answered my original question so I'll assume that you paid the house 80 and tipped 80 for a total of 160 for standard service. If this is what it takes to pursue this hobby in NoVa, I'll be retiring soon.

Question for the forum: Are we all in agreement that the HJ / HE is an extra service? Isn't this the minimum that we pursue this hobby for? If not, we're saying that we're paying 80 for a massage and maybe a table shower? Is that the general consensus?

All girls are in this for tips. They may get 10-30 from house money, depends on verbal contract with MMS, licence or not, local or not, tips are the only income. Once again, if girl ask up front, all you have to say is "it depends on service". I think it actually turns things into much better experience. How much for HJ or BJ is up to the person, situation, girls level of looks and service. STOP TALKING ABOUT TIP. EACH OF YOU TIP HOW MUCH YOU FEEL IS PROPER. It is boring.

[QUOTE=Hofi35;1203199]All girls are in this for tips. They may get 10-30 from house money, depends on verbal contract with MMS, licence or not, local or not, tips are the only income. Once again, if girl ask up front, all you have to say is "it depends on service". I think it actually turns things into much better experience. How much for HJ or BJ is up to the person, situation, girls level of looks and service. STOP TALKING ABOUT TIP. EACH OF YOU TIP HOW MUCH YOU FEEL IS PROPER. It is boring.[/QUOTE]People want to talk about tips because they're a relevant part of the hobby. If you don't like some of the topics, you can skip over them, but no one needs to be telling people what to stop talking about on a discussion forum.

Regards

[QUOTE=Hofi35;1203199]All girls are in this for tips. They may get 10-30 from house money, depends on verbal contract with MMS, licence or not, local or not, tips are the only income. Once again, if girl ask up front, all you have to say is "it depends on service". I think it actually turns things into much better experience. How much for HJ or BJ is up to the person, situation, girls level of looks and service. STOP TALKING ABOUT TIP. EACH OF YOU TIP HOW MUCH YOU FEEL IS PROPER. It is boring.[/QUOTE]Yes they do work for tips. Some just suck at it while others do like what they do.

Personally it ruins the hour for me. When you give an ok. To shitty massage for 10 minutes then ask for flip and price points. Fuck that. Then complain when I don't want extras just 1 hour of massage. MMS could care less if you leave tip or not. She got her money up front. Anyway.

Reviews. Lots of movement of these ladies from place to place recently. My go to places G&G and Herndon have turned to shitz. I need a new place to hit up. PM me.