Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5306793]Clinton did nothing for economic growth, he was lucky enough to be elected when the internet became mainstream and exploded, a rock could have been placed in the oval office and would have done at least as well as Clinton did. If anything his policies slowed down the potential of the internet explosion.[/QUOTE]. Wookie you are correct Bill Clinton as well as Bush Senior rode an economic wave and the fall of the Soviet Union as a result of the actions of Ronald Reagan.

Bill Clinton could have killed Osama Ben laden had he not been creating the term. A Lewinsky. Donald Trump showed the country how the professional politicians were screwing the tax payer while they enriched themselves. He was making America Great again but the professional politicians were just to powerful. The American Citizen will suffer. Trump haters continue to push their lies. They continue to follow the Big Lie as practiced by Adolf
Hitler.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5306793]Clinton did nothing for economic growth, he was lucky enough to be elected when the internet became mainstream and exploded, a rock could have been placed in the oval office and would have done at least as well as Clinton did. If anything his policies slowed down the potential of the internet explosion.[/QUOTE]So, how do you think history will remember Donald Trump’s presidency?

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5307527]So, how do you think history will remember Donald Trumps presidency?[/QUOTE]When we look back on presidents the longer time passes the better the president looks, when I was in elementary school I was told George Washington was one of the greatest american presidents. By the age of 22 he owned 18 enslaved people, at his peak he owned 216, yet somehow not may people mention that.

George Bush Sr. Was one of the worst presidents in modern history, raising taxes (after lying and saying he would never do that) and a list of things not worth going into detail about. Most of america hated him and couldn't wait to get him out of office, democrats and republicans alike, yet for some reason not long after they elected his son president.

Now just recently he passes and he gets one of if not THE biggest washington funerals in american history, glorified as a "hero" . The people crying at his funeral were the same politicians who said horrible things about him after he left office.

I think of it like wine, check back in 30 years or so and see how it aged.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5307527]So, how do you think history will remember Donald Trumps presidency?[/QUOTE]A lot depends on what winds up being revealed in the next few years in terms of graft, theft, corruption, etc, but certainly he will go down as one of the worst Presidents, in large measure because he just didn't accomplish much (he never even got his wall built) while at the same time exaggerating divisions in the country. He also jettisoned decades of hard-won American global power.

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[QUOTE=Ozymandias;5307709]A lot depends on what winds up being revealed in the next few years in terms of graft, theft, corruption, etc, but certainly he will go down as one of the worst Presidents, in large measure because he just didn't accomplish much (he never even got his wall built) while at the same time exaggerating divisions in the country. He also jettisoned decades of hard-won American global power.

O.[/QUOTE]Are you totally devoid of the facts. Or are you just practicing the " big lie theory" ?

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;5307709]A lot depends on what winds up being revealed in the next few years in terms of graft, theft, corruption, etc, but certainly he will go down as one of the worst Presidents, in large measure because he just didn't accomplish much (he never even got his wall built) while at the same time exaggerating divisions in the country. He also jettisoned decades of hard-won American global power.

O.[/QUOTE]More like the best President America ever had.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;5307709]A lot depends on what winds up being revealed in the next few years in terms of graft, theft, corruption, etc, but certainly he will go down as one of the worst Presidents, in large measure because he just didn't accomplish much (he never even got his wall built) while at the same time exaggerating divisions in the country. He also jettisoned decades of hard-won American global power.

O.[/QUOTE]Getting the wall built would have been impossible for any president within four years. Can't fault Trump for that since he was dogged every step of the way. Too bad the Dems don't have the brains to understand that completing the wall and being tough on immigration benefits all Americans.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5308453]Getting the wall built would have been impossible for any president within four years. Can't fault Trump for that since he was dogged every step of the way. Too bad the Dems don't have the brains to understand that completing the wall and being tough on immigration benefits all Americans.[/QUOTE]Here's what Trump promised, and what Trump delivered.

[B]Trump Promise: 1,000 miles of wall. Status: Not kept, just 47 miles of wall built[/B]

Trump just before leaving office falsely claimed he'd promised and delivered 450 miles of border wall. Total BS!

[I] As of January 8, the Trump administration had only built just [B]47[/B]miles of border wall where none existed before. President Barack Obama left office with 654 miles of border fencing in existence, according to a Government Accountability Office report from early 2017; Trump will leave office with 701 miles of border fencing, according to CBP. [/I]

[B]Trump Promise: Mexico would pay for it. Status: U.S. taxpayers paid for it.[/B]

Perhaps Trump's most consistent promise about the border wall was that Mexico would pay for it. That has not happened. USA Taxpayers will foot the bill for Trump's wall.

[I]"I will have Mexico pay for that wall, mark my words," Trump said at his presidential announcement speech, one of hundreds of times he made that promise.[/I]

Well, Mexico did not pay for the wall; its leaders have refused since Trump first made his promise.

[B]Trump Promise: The wall will be 'big, beautiful' and 'concrete' Status: Not exactly.[/B]

Trump spent a lot of time as a candidate talking about how his "big, beautiful" border wall would look. He often said it would be made out of concrete; he said it would be 35 or 40 or 55 or 80 feet tall, depending on the rally.

[I]The politicians would come up to me, and theyd say, You know, Donald, you cant build the wall. I said, You have to be kidding. You have to be kidding. Concrete plank, you have to be kidding. Precast, precast, right? Boom. Bing. Done. Keep going, he said in August 2016.[/I]

As president, Trump spent millions on border wall prototypes some concrete, some steel to test new border wall structures; all eight were vulnerable to breaching and have since been torn down. The Trump administration has continued to use steel bollard fencing designs for border barriers, just like the Obama administration.

[QUOTE=Edssw45;5307958]More like the best President America ever had.[/QUOTE]How so?

Trump was a serial violator of his oath of office as set forth in the Constitution. In the first part, presidents swear to "faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States. " This is a pledge to properly perform the three jobs the presidency combines into one: head of state, head of government, and commander in chief. In the second part, they promise to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. ".

First, Trump failed to put the national-security interests of the United States ahead of his own political needs. Second, in the face of a devastating pandemic, he was grossly derelict, unable or unwilling to marshal the requisite resources to save lives while actively encouraging public behavior that spread the disease. And third, held to account by voters for his failures, he refused to concede defeat and instead instigated an insurrection, stirring a mob that stormed the Capitol.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5308826]How so?

Trump was a serial violator of his oath of office as set forth in the Constitution. In the first part, presidents swear to "faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States. " This is a pledge to properly perform the three jobs the presidency combines into one: head of state, head of government, and commander in chief. In the second part, they promise to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. ".

First, Trump failed to put the national-security interests of the United States ahead of his own political needs. Second, in the face of a devastating pandemic, he was grossly derelict, unable or unwilling to marshal the requisite resources to save lives while actively encouraging public behavior that spread the disease. And third, held to account by voters for his failures, he refused to concede defeat and instead instigated an insurrection, stirring a mob that stormed the Capitol.[/QUOTE]We could argue this point for days, just googling "trumps accomplishments" brings up endless pages of what he got done, including prison reform, tax reform opportunity zones for minorities (not even our former minority president did anything for minorities). The list goes on and on.

Here is the gods honest truth, if you hate trump you will never accept his accomplishments ever, if you liked trump you will look at the fact he was an extremely successful president in getting things done for the american people.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5308818]Here's what Trump promised, and what Trump delivered.

[B]Trump Promise: 1,000 miles of wall. Status: Not kept, just 47 miles of wall built[/B] [/QUOTE]He was being fought and opposed the entire way by Reps and Dems.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5308818]Trump just before leaving office falsely claimed he'd promised and delivered 450 miles of border wall. Total BS!

[I] As of January 8, the Trump administration had only built just [B]47[/B]miles of border wall where none existed before. President Barack Obama left office with 654 miles of border fencing in existence, according to a Government Accountability Office report from early 2017; Trump will leave office with 701 miles of border fencing, according to CBP. [/I] [/QUOTE]He had support from both parties. Amazing what happens when the two sides can work together.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5308818] [B]Trump Promise: Mexico would pay for it. Status: U.S. taxpayers paid for it.[/B]

Perhaps Trump's most consistent promise about the border wall was that Mexico would pay for it. That has not happened. USA Taxpayers will foot the bill for Trump's wall.

[I]"I will have Mexico pay for that wall, mark my words," Trump said at his presidential announcement speech, one of hundreds of times he made that promise.[/I]

Well, Mexico did not pay for the wall; its leaders have refused since Trump first made his promise.
[/QUOTE]They did through the Tariffs and the Dems, who controlled the purse diverted the money other places.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5308818] [B]Trump Promise: The wall will be 'big, beautiful' and 'concrete' Status: Not exactly.[/B]

Trump spent a lot of time as a candidate talking about how his "big, beautiful" border wall would look. He often said it would be made out of concrete; he said it would be 35 or 40 or 55 or 80 feet tall, depending on the rally.


[I]The politicians would come up to me, and theyd say, You know, Donald, you cant build the wall. I said, You have to be kidding. You have to be kidding. Concrete plank, you have to be kidding. Precast, precast, right? Boom. Bing. Done. Keep going, he said in August 2016.[/I]

As president, Trump spent millions on border wall prototypes some concrete, some steel to test new border wall structures; all eight were vulnerable to breaching and have since been torn down. The Trump administration has continued to use steel bollard fencing designs for border barriers, just like the Obama administration.[/QUOTE]Once again, when only one person is trying to do what is right and the rest are fighting tooth and nail, well?

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5309049]He was being fought and opposed the entire way by Reps and Dems.

He had support from both parties. Amazing what happens when the two sides can work together.

They did through the Tariffs and the Dems, who controlled the purse diverted the money other places.

Once again, when only one person is trying to do what is right and the rest are fighting tooth and nail, well?[/QUOTE]I appreciate your efforts, Sgt. Lurker. However, you make a well thought out, common sense response to a deranged Marxist who hates America and wants it destroyed. Good try though.

[QUOTE=Edssw45;5307958]More like the best President America ever had.[/QUOTE]Wrong.

He called the military "losers" and "suckers" and some of these idiots still voted for him. Most of the vets I knew couldn't stand Trump and happily voted for a real patriot like Biden.

Just remember how much he bragged about loving the uneducated voting for him. Dumb and dumber is the best way to describe the MAGAs.

Best President we had in the past 30 years was Obama simply because he saved us from the Great Depression Part 2, followed by Clinton, and then George Bush Sr.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5309010]if you liked trump you will look at the fact he was an extremely successful president in getting things done for the american people.[/QUOTE]The historical facts say he didn't get anything done. No amount of right wing spin will change that.

Tax cuts were not his idea and he just went along with whatever McConnell was shoving down his throat. Trump actually opposed any tax cuts.

No wall, unless you consider 11 miles of "reinforcements" a wall. Mexico didn't pay a stinkin' cent for it, either.

No health plan that he promised would "beautifully" cover every American cheaper and better than Obama-Care.

Pulled out of Syria. That only made ISIS and Al Qaeda more powerful than ever. The next 9/11 will be 100% blamed on Trump and his entire family will pay for it.

Trashed Iran deal that would've prevented Iranian nukes from being developed to threaten the entire Middle East. Any nuclear attack in that region will be rightfully blamed on Trump.

China tariffs that put a serious dent in the American economy and strengthened China's trade relations with Europe and Asia. China is still laughing at Trump over that one.

Stacking SCOTUS with radical nutjobs which directly resulted in Biden expanding the Supreme Court to 13 justices that will totally eradicate any right wing agenda for the next 60 years. Got to thank him for that fuckup.

Twice impeached and awaiting multiple indictments that will put him away in prison for the rest of his dying days. Kinda speaks for itself.

Any way you slice it, Trump is a multiple loser and Biden is the clear winner.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5306793]Clinton did nothing for economic growth, he was lucky enough to be elected when the internet became mainstream and exploded, a rock could have been placed in the oval office and would have done at least as well as Clinton did. If anything his policies slowed down the potential of the internet explosion.[/QUOTE]Clinton's policies laid the foundation for the Internet and all the enormous prosperity it brought. Just go read about the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and that's all the proof you need of how brilliant Clinton was for stimulating technology and phenomenal economic opportunities for everyone. Bill Clinton deserved the Nobel Prize in Economics.

A serial bankrupter like Trump would've shut down the Internet in it's nascent stage because it was designed to allow free speech and harsh criticism of political leaders. Trump always bragged about creating laws that could shut down any media outlet that didn't talk nice about him, and he would certainly have tried to shut down the Internet for this reason. He would take a page out of Kim Jong's playbook on fascist control of mass communication.

Any way you slice it, Bill Clinton will be remembered as one of America's greatest Presidents and Trump will be remembered as a twice-impeached insurrectionist and Grim Reaper for the USA Economy.

History books will also blame Trump for 650,000 needless deaths from a global pandemic that he ignored at every turn. I don't any textbook blaming Clinton for that kind of crime.