"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

After reading my own post about things getting tight I started to review my own MO about meeting girls online. What I normally do is just send my intro letter and that's it. If they don't respond it's over.

But I have narrowed my search to such a tight demographic (18 to 22, AA or mixed spinners, at least an 8/8 or better) that even in L.A. There are a limited number of girls to choose from. So I started sending follow up letters to my turn downs to meta question them about what they wanted and why did they turn me down.

To me a legitimate turn down could be for lack of sufficient funds on my part, that they are not attracted to me, or they think I am too promiscuous. All legitimate concerns.

So I re-messaged a few true hotties. I have gotten a few responses. And yes, some wanted far more than I could give. But so far it's mostly come down to their being overwhelmed with responses when they first signed up to the site.

Once they had a chance to filter through that and understand what I was proposing it all made more sense. So I have 2 m&g's for Saturday so far.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1929528]I have definitely gotten very picky on photos myself. If there is no very clear pic of the face and another one of a head to toe shot I always request that before getting too carried away. Been burned more than once.[/QUOTE]I agree with HG. In my into letter I request that they SEND me a Face Shot and a full length shot. Only time I've ever been burned is when I ignore my own rules. After receiving the photos...when they sit for their chemistry exam...it's never looks.

Still hitting them like I hit my tennis shots: "Hard and Deep".

Booyao!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1930597]I agree with HG. In my into letter I request that they SEND me a Face Shot and a full length shot. Only time I've ever been burned is when I ignore my own rules. After receiving the photos...when they sit for their chemistry exam...it's never looks.

Still hitting them like I hit my tennis shots: "Hard and Deep".

Booyao![/QUOTE]Speaking of rules. I negotiated a $$ hottie down to $. Went to go meet her and she flaked. Said she got cold feet one block from the meet. Meet # 2 tonite.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1929528]I have definitely gotten very picky on photos myself. If there is no very clear pic of the face and another one of a head to toe shot I always request that before getting too carried away. Been burned more than once.[/QUOTE]I can't tell you how many totally fat or just plain ugly POTs I have met and even fucked a few. Just do not settle for incomplete pics. If they refuse or blow you off there is your answer.

Revvo.

So after getting flaked on by the 19 year old 9/9 hottie earlier in the day I took a M&G from another girl that responded to my follow up letter.

I had already scheduled an evening date with a different (third girl) who I then rescheduled for Sunday.

So anyway I went to meet this 18 year old college student who I picked up from her dorm and went straight back to the FC for a 40 minute BBBJ. She would have gone another 20 minutes if I let her. Paid the usual $. She was an AA 7/9/9/8 (really a 7 but adding a point for duration) spinner (pictured). I told her if she couldn't fuck me on the next date there wouldn't be one ... So we will see, as she was uncertain of her feelings about that.

Her winning personality kept me rock hard the whole time as she was happy to do whatever I asked until the end. It was a little frustrating as I was horny as hell and really wanted to fuck.

So after only one day of follow up letters I had about 6 girls respond. 4 were GPS, but the other 2 were down. So I did the one and I am going to meet the other one tomorrow afternoon before she goes to work. (she looks to be about an 8/8).

My follow up letters have me swamped with interested girls. Many loose interest after they remember why they turned me down in the first place. But the others after having been worn down a bit by the realities of the sd sites are coming to their senses. These are all hotties. Nothing second rate. There are a lot of fake sd's out there. Or one niter dudes that don't really feel the needs of a true sb.

So go back and re-message all the girls you haven't communicated with in a month or more. Just ask them what they want without offering anything more than a sympathetic ear. If they come back GPS just ignore them. Don't negotiate. If they ask what can you do for them, stick to your original offer. I am being inundated with eager girls.

But I haven't seen this much response since I stopped messaging the obvious pros earlier in the year. And maybe some of them are UTR. But at $ a meet who really cares? All 18 - 22 and fine.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1931238]But I haven't seen this much response since I stopped messaging the obvious pros earlier in the year. And maybe some of them are UTR. But at $ a meet who really cares? All 18 - 22 and fine.[/QUOTE]So, HG, your follow up is asking "what was it that caused you to turn me down? Restating your offer and then going from ther? Or are you just saying, hey, I'm still here and interested?

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;1931259]So, HG, your follow up is asking "what was it that caused you to turn me down? Restating your offer and then going from ther? Or are you just saying, hey, I'm still here and interested?[/QUOTE]I just mention that they turned me down in the past. But I am still interested. And could they please tell me what they are looking for. If it looks promising then I restate my offer in the next message.

After sitting through a horrible vanilla first date experience (vanilla meaning no explicit expectation of payment in return for pussy)...I just got a stark reminder that different payment methods are required depending upon the type of woman that is selling the pussy. It is never free.

I post the following question:

Is pussy the most valuable thing a woman owns?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1931468]After sitting through a horrible vanilla first date experience (vanilla meaning no explicit expectation of payment in return for pussy)...I just got a stark reminder that different payment methods are required depending upon the type of woman that is selling the pussy. It is never free.

I post the following question:

Is pussy the most valuable thing a woman owns?[/QUOTE]A old friend of mine (now dead). Who was a gay gigolo that only married women for their money. And who at one time owned the largest home in Beverly Hills told me. "Taking money for sex was easy and usually low paying. But taking money without it was the true test of a pros worth." So to answer your question, the answer is no. And its obvious to me every time I see some nasty fugly old babe in BH with her loser rich husband. The smart ones know how to work it. The other persons emotions that is.

So the ability to play on ones emotions is far more valuable than pussy. All those knock out 10's that have been hitting me up this weekend for 4 and 5 benji's aren't living in Beverly Hills. The moral of the story. Keep it cool.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1931525]A old friend of mine (now dead). Who was a gay gigolo that only married women for their money. And who at one time owned the largest home in Beverly Hills told me. "Taking money for sex was easy and usually low paying. But taking money without it was the true test of a pros worth." So to answer your question, the answer is no. And its obvious to me every time I see some nasty fugly old babe in BH with her loser rich husband. The smart ones know how to work it. The other persons emotions that is.

So the ability to play on ones emotions is far more valuable than pussy. All those knock out 10's that have been hitting me up this weekend for 4 and 5 benji's aren't living in Beverly Hills. The moral of the story. Keep it cool.[/QUOTE]Never thought of this way. But what a good point. It's almost like the implied pussy / emotions is more valuable. But at this point are we really talking about value? More like pure naked manipulation.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1931804]Never thought of this way. But what a good point. It's almost like the implied pussy / emotions is more valuable. But at this point are we really talking about value? More like pure naked manipulation.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]And that's what some of these girls try to do. I have read it on here dozens of times. About all their issues and problems, inability to pay rent, etc. Just remember, you didn't cause that problem and its not your responsibility to fix it. But we have all felt the desire to want to help out even when it's not our place to do so. Or we would just go to AMP's or cruise for SW's. Our world does bring a certain amount of emotional attachment, especially with our ATF's. And if you have been with a girl for 6 months or more it can get sticky sometimes.

I have paid sugar alimony more than once (sometimes deserved, other times not), and still do here and there.

So I have to say that between girls needing money for the holidays and this whole new follow up strategy I can basically have sex 7 days a week at this point. But that is not going to happen because I need to rest up one or 2 days a week. If I see all 3 of my regular girls once or twice in a week, I can maybe squeeze in one new interview a week.

I can not stress strongly enough the value of following up about 30 days later. There is a whole other type of girl that is just waiting to see who in their mind is genuine by being persistent enough to get their attention. These girls are in 3 major categories so far. GPS girls that will wait for the big score. UTR girls that figure a real SD, even if he pays less is worth it for the long term steady dollars (while they look for the illusory score) . And then the true non pro girls that are a bit sketchy about jumping in to the bowl a little too quickly. Although in the last week I have had a few ready to jump immediately. I have 2 txting me now as I write this.

The GPS girls were all 10's... The UTR's have been 8's and 9's. The non pros have been 7's to 10's.

I am only working my personal demographic to get these results. AA or mixed girls. Spinners or petite between 18 and 22. Must be willing to accept $ per visit. Right now scheduling and libido are my biggest problems. The demand definitely exceeds the supply.

And this is supply side economics in favor of the men. So don't give in. Your cash is always green.

Been on 3 m and g's in the last 7 days or so. The first one was 2 dates in 2 days. Wasn't attracted to her. She has txted and emailed me and is obviously ready for the FC, but not me. When they do this. Never, never, never respond. It's cold, but it's the only way.

The second one I reported on already. The 40 minute BJ girl. Not likely to repeat unless she offers up the whole package. Then maybe.

The third was tonite. Far less attractive than her pics which made her look sexy and exotic. She was bland and boring. Glad I got her off my list. On to the next one.

In order they were 24,18 and 20. The only one that was in the ballpark was the 18 year old spinner. The other 2 were poppin as my roommate would say. As in poppin out of their jeans, and not in a good way.

But in between all that I managed to see my old SB from 4 years ago that I had on allowance for 8 months. I unfortunately have bouts of peripheral neuropathy in my feet. And she magically made it disappear with her expert massage technique after the playtime ended. We have officially decided to continue seeing each other whenever I can fit her in. She is a really low drama sweet girl and a pleaser.