The Woodshed

[QUOTE=TomCat4871;2764757]Random comment here.

Poking around my FB I stumbled upon a particular chic who is a rare poster on BP. A certain puerto rican Ms. Tifanny. When I looked at the people she knew it was UNBELIEVABLE. It was literally like a who's who of Jacksonville providers past and present. What a FB network! Pic after pic after pic. Girls I had seen and girls that had been on my to-do list but just never got around to. Makes me wonder if she is some kind of Madam DB to them or just scissor sisters with half of backpage.[/QUOTE]If you find one on a social network, you will find them linked together. I see many of these girls on social network and they are usually linked to others that do this. They even use the same pictures for FB they do for their BP adds. Kind of odd actually, but like someone said, they meet doing this, word of mouth, and probably in the joint, so there ya go.

[QUOTE=LuckyGandor;2765124]Well our opinions of Intel differ. I was already in contact with her. I enjoyed your story you posted (the everyone thought was bs BTW but me) so I replied if you had a pic of her. You did and it turned out to be the same girl. I was planning to see her anyhow but figured I'd enjoy your story too.

If you consider that Intel then great you gave me Intel, thanks big guy. Most of the other emails was me enjoying your stories. Sorry for trying to be friendly.

And to think I defended you to the 5-6 people who pmed me talking shit about you. What a waste.[/QUOTE]Well gosh, LuckyG. Thanks for being my white knight in your inbox. Last thing I would have to do is to lie about some pussy I paid for. Or some free tricks from a hooker. No disrespect to the girls intended. I like hookers. They are the reason we joined this site.

[QUOTE=JaxSince1982;2761237]I was out with my SO the other evening and as I'm sitting at the bar facing the door I see what I believed to be a provider I had seen 6 or 7 months ago. A wave of fear came over me as I didn't need any drama. As she got closer I realized I was mistaken. Whew!! Anyway that got me thinking. Jax is really a small town! Running into a provider when we are out and about can happen. How would I handle it? Well I never give my real name to a provider so there's that. Also I've managed not to piss off any of them so I don't believe they would have any reason so be confrontational if I were to ever run into one. So have any of you had a provider run in? If so how did you handle it?[/QUOTE]Many years ago I saw Liz (getluckywithliz) somewhat regularly (damn, she may have been my first in jax come to think of it). Anyway, she is one who seemed to pretty much have her shit together and seemed to have a real life outside of the hobby. She told me about running into a customer at the movies and having the same "oh shit" feeling- hoping they would play it cool.

I am SURE that there are plenty of girls who would fuck your shit up if they thought there was something in it for them, but I do believe that most of them want to keep the private biz private. I just wish I knew how to tell the difference!

[QUOTE=KittyLikker;2765474]Many years ago I saw Liz (getluckywithliz) somewhat regularly (damn, she may have been my first in jax come to think of it). Anyway, she is one who seemed to pretty much have her shit together and seemed to have a real life outside of the hobby. She told me about running into a customer at the movies and having the same "oh shit" feeling- hoping they would play it cool.

I am SURE that there are plenty of girls who would fuck your shit up if they thought there was something in it for them, but I do believe that most of them want to keep the private biz private. I just wish I knew how to tell the difference![/QUOTE]Crazy as it may sound, that may be a reason to perfer the SWs over the BP'ers (among other things). BP'ers have real lives, & could probably do some real damage to your reputation if they really wanted to. SWs are so trapped and so consumed by their addictions they don't have the means to really expose you, unless they cooperate with LEO.

In the beginning I thought I'd 'graduate' to BP once I could afford it. Now that I can, it's so many reasons to stay off BP. The stroll is like [URL]Amazon.com[/URL] or walmart. They have mostly what you need and some of what you want. BP is like eBay. Only for rare products, everything else is overpriced.

Saw naomi again this morning. I know I probably sound like a broken record. LOL. But I get my coin worth and she's just hands down an awesome chick. And I never get ripped off or clock watched and I get everything I want. I've decided until she quits the game my wampums will be well spent. Be safe and remember to always keep the peacepipe packed. Tonto!!

[QUOTE=GufyFosho;2765274]If you find one on a social network, you will find them linked together. I see many of these girls on social network and they are usually linked to others that do this. They even use the same pictures for FB they do for their BP adds. Kind of odd actually, but like someone said, they meet doing this, word of mouth, and probably in the joint, so there ya go.[/QUOTE]Your absolutely correct. These providers all know each other ie facebook social media etc. My atf said oh I know her. She's on my facebook. Etc. So you are 100 percent correct on that! Tonto!

[QUOTE=TomCat4871;2764757]Random comment here.

Poking around my FB I stumbled upon a particular chic who is a rare poster on BP. A certain puerto rican Ms. Tifanny. When I looked at the people she knew it was UNBELIEVABLE. It was literally like a who's who of Jacksonville providers past and present. What a FB network! Pic after pic after pic. Girls I had seen and girls that had been on my to-do list but just never got around to. Makes me wonder if she is some kind of Madam DB to them or just scissor sisters with half of backpage.[/QUOTE]I was about to post about the same exact thing. It is unreal how connected they are. I guess it should be expected. Poking around, I have connected pretty much every BP chick out there. Whats funny (and scary) is that I have a mutual friend with two of them. I wonder how he knows them but don't have the balls to ask or know how to do so without revealing how I do. That would be really awkward.

[QUOTE=KittyLikker;2765474]Many years ago I saw Liz (getluckywithliz) somewhat regularly (damn, she may have been my first in jax come to think of it). Anyway, she is one who seemed to pretty much have her shit together and seemed to have a real life outside of the hobby. She told me about running into a customer at the movies and having the same "oh shit" feeling- hoping they would play it cool.

I am SURE that there are plenty of girls who would fuck your shit up if they thought there was something in it for them, but I do believe that most of them want to keep the private biz private. I just wish I knew how to tell the difference![/QUOTE]Let me say one as a dancer turned provider, with a regular job / life as well, it does happen. One time years and years ago when I was only dancing, I had my kids with me and ran into someone from the club this was over off baymeadows, apparently he was blind to the fact that I had kids with me and kept following me around the grocery store like don't I know you, the whole time I am like umm no you don't and pointing to the kids.

There have been other times, as well, once I got a job at a restaurant, hired by one manager only to go in and find out my general manager was a regular of mine back in the days of Cinders. I didn't work there to long cause it was just weird. Since then here and there I have came across a few mongers, and I think we all have the same fear, is he / she going to blow my cover. I can say that probably just as much as you would want your hobby to stay a secret, we want our double lives kept in the dark as well. There are a few members of this board who I have known for 10+ years, and have seen at multiples places I have been employed at, but we are not necessarily friends that speak on a day to day basis but enough so that we can chat, only if the other person is alone. I can't speak for every provider, or every monger, but there is a reason we all go through all these necessary precautions, burner phones, google voice numbers, text apps, and what not. Everyone wants to have a good time, but there is no need for others to know about it, unless it is here and we are just giving out info for others. Just my two cents for what is worth.

So,

It has been about a year since I took my frst trip into "mongerland" so I wanted to give a recap and offer a little advice to any new members / mongers out there. My first visit was supposed to be with Riverside Gina but when I got there, I got the "bait and switch". She had apparently double booked and sent out "a friend" (Nichelle) To take care of me. It ended up being a car visit that I donated too much for but hey, live and learn. Since then I have spent way too much (this "thing of ours" is addicting) but had mostly a good time. My best times this year have been with Gina, Rikki, Miranda, Alyssa, (haven't sen her in months due to reports) Ashley (Skittles) and the queen Maliyah. I apologize for the lack of reports but will contribute more in the future. I am going to post a few late reviews after this. Now, the advice I mentioned. (feel free to direct newbies to this post and add any of your own.).

1. Do your own research first. I trolled the forums for about six months before I made my first visit and my first post was a "thank you" to other contributers and a review. Read back a few months or so if you have questions. Most will probalby be answered, especially if they are about a provider. The fact is that most of them have been reviewed already under one name or another. It just takes a little effort. A lot of effort will go a long way. No one likes it when a new member starts out asking for "hand outs".

2. Realize that nothing is more truer than YMMV. Your Mileage May Vary. I made the mistake of expecting the same experience as others and was disappointed more than once. You will not have the same adventures as a senior with 1000 plus posts. Yet. I have had a couple really good experiences but honestly, I think that I jsut got lucky at this point.

3. Remember that there are many more mongers than girls. They will double book and make multiple appointments and therefore aren't very reliable. If she is clock watching, there is probably someone on the way or already waiting.

4. Protect yourself and your stuff. I don't take more than the donation with me. I only take the donation, my phone, my protection and my keys inside. I don't do "car dates" or pick up SW but if I did, I would make sure nothing of value was in reach. I arrive early and check out the surroundings. I take the long way to the room. I check out the room, bathroom, house, apartment etc before anything happens. I try not to give the donation until the end of the visit. If I do take it out, I place it somewhere visible and make it clear that it should stay there. The doesn't always happen and then I get "rushed" but I try. I don't talk about what is going to happen until LEO check is completed. If anything seems fishy, I bolt.

5. Negotiate. Although a provider may have a set donation, that doesn't mean that she isn't flexible. If she is unwilling to adjust the donation, either accept it or walk away. For a long time I was pretty passive and just donated whatever was stated first. Now, I will at least ask if she is willing to accept something else. I understand that it is supply vs demand and am nice about it but have also saved a few here and there. Remember that if market price (or higher) is always paid, it will continue to go up.

I think that is about it, but I am sure there is lots more that can be said by Mongers more experienced than I.

[QUOTE=HallPass;2768262]So,

It has been about a year since I took my frst trip into "mongerland" so I wanted to give a recap and offer a little advice to any new members / mongers out there. My first visit was supposed to be with Riverside Gina but when I got there, I got the "bait and switch". She had apparently double booked and sent out "a friend" (Nichelle) To take care of me. It ended up being a car visit that I donated too much for but hey, live and learn. Since then I have spent way too much (this "thing of ours" is addicting) but had mostly a good time. My best times this year have been with Gina, Rikki, Miranda, Alyssa, (haven't sen her in months due to reports) Ashley (Skittles) and the queen Maliyah. I apologize for the lack of reports but will contribute more in the future. I am going to post a few late reviews after this. Now, the advice I mentioned. (feel free to direct newbies to this post and add any of your own.).

1. Do your own research first. I trolled the forums for about six months before I made my first visit and my first post was a "thank you" to other contributers and a review. Read back a few months or so if you have questions. Most will probalby be answered, especially if they are about a provider. The fact is that most of them have been reviewed already under one name or another. It just takes a little effort. A lot of effort will go a long way. No one likes it when a new member starts out asking for "hand outs".

2. Realize that nothing is more truer than YMMV. Your Mileage May Vary. I made the mistake of expecting the same experience as others and was disappointed more than once. You will not have the same adventures as a senior with 1000 plus posts. Yet. I have had a couple really good experiences but honestly, I think that I jsut got lucky at this point.

3. Remember that there are many more mongers than girls. They will double book and make multiple appointments and therefore aren't very reliable. If she is clock watching, there is probably someone on the way or already waiting.

4. Protect yourself and your stuff. I don't take more than the donation with me. I only take the donation, my phone, my protection and my keys inside. I don't do "car dates" or pick up SW but if I did, I would make sure nothing of value was in reach. I arrive early and check out the surroundings. I take the long way to the room. I check out the room, bathroom, house, apartment etc before anything happens. I try not to give the donation until the end of the visit. If I do take it out, I place it somewhere visible and make it clear that it should stay there. The doesn't always happen and then I get "rushed" but I try. I don't talk about what is going to happen until LEO check is completed. If anything seems fishy, I bolt.

5. Negotiate. Although a provider may have a set donation, that doesn't mean that she isn't flexible. If she is unwilling to adjust the donation, either accept it or walk away. For a long time I was pretty passive and just donated whatever was stated first. Now, I will at least ask if she is willing to accept something else. I understand that it is supply vs demand and am nice about it but have also saved a few here and there. Remember that if market price (or higher) is always paid, it will continue to go up.

I think that is about it, but I am sure there is lots more that can be said by Mongers more experienced than I.[/QUOTE]Be the user or be used, brutal but true. Be in control.

[QUOTE=AlleyFromCin;2767721]Let me say one as a dancer turned provider, with a regular job / life as well, it does happen. One time years and years ago when I was only dancing, I had my kids with me and ran into someone from the club this was over off baymeadows, apparently he was blind to the fact that I had kids with me and kept following me around the grocery store like don't I know you, the whole time I am like umm no you don't and pointing to the kids.

There have been other times, as well, once I got a job at a restaurant, hired by one manager only to go in and find out my general manager was a regular of mine back in the days of Cinders. I didn't work there to long cause it was just weird. Since then here and there I have came across a few mongers, and I think we all have the same fear, is he / she going to blow my cover. I can say that probably just as much as you would want your hobby to stay a secret, we want our double lives kept in the dark as well. There are a few members of this board who I have known for 10+ years, and have seen at multiples places I have been employed at, but we are not necessarily friends that speak on a day to day basis but enough so that we can chat, only if the other person is alone. I can't speak for every provider, or every monger, but there is a reason we all go through all these necessary precautions, burner phones, google voice numbers, text apps, and what not. Everyone wants to have a good time, but there is no need for others to know about it, unless it is here and we are just giving out info for others. Just my two cents for what is worth.[/QUOTE]Good point of view from the other side of the hobby, Google, Facebook are a good resource and I don't think being completely hidden is impossible because people talk and your details will get around with Hobbyist or providers for sure. That's an extra effort I don't worry about, No burner phone, goggle voice or hidden text here, If I want to see you, you will know exactly who I am because I will know exactly who you are no matter if your name is Roxie, Trixie what ever, If I can't satisfy my need for knowledge about the lady I want to see I don't see her.

[QUOTE=HallPass;2768262]So,

It has been about a year since I took my frst trip into "mongerland" so I wanted to give a recap and offer a little advice to any new members / mongers out there. My first visit was supposed to be with Riverside Gina but when I got there, I got the "bait and switch". She had apparently double booked and sent out "a friend" (Nichelle) To take care of me. It ended up being a car visit that I donated too much for but hey, live and learn. Since then I have spent way too much (this "thing of ours" is addicting) but had mostly a good time. My best times this year have been with Gina, Rikki, Miranda, Alyssa, (haven't sen her in months due to reports) Ashley (Skittles) and the queen Maliyah. I apologize for the lack of reports but will contribute more in the future. I am going to post a few late reviews after this. Now, the advice I mentioned. (feel free to direct newbies to this post and add any of your own.).

1. Do your own research first. I trolled the forums for about six months before I made my first visit and my first post was a "thank you" to other contributers and a review. Read back a few months or so if you have questions. Most will probalby be answered, especially if they are about a provider. The fact is that most of them have been reviewed already under one name or another. It just takes a little effort. A lot of effort will go a long way. No one likes it when a new member starts out asking for "hand outs".

2. Realize that nothing is more truer than YMMV. Your Mileage May Vary. I made the mistake of expecting the same experience as others and was disappointed more than once. You will not have the same adventures as a senior with 1000 plus posts. Yet. I have had a couple really good experiences but honestly, I think that I jsut got lucky at this point.

3. Remember that there are many more mongers than girls. They will double book and make multiple appointments and therefore aren't very reliable. If she is clock watching, there is probably someone on the way or already waiting.

4. Protect yourself and your stuff. I don't take more than the donation with me. I only take the donation, my phone, my protection and my keys inside. I don't do "car dates" or pick up SW but if I did, I would make sure nothing of value was in reach. I arrive early and check out the surroundings. I take the long way to the room. I check out the room, bathroom, house, apartment etc before anything happens. I try not to give the donation until the end of the visit. If I do take it out, I place it somewhere visible and make it clear that it should stay there. The doesn't always happen and then I get "rushed" but I try. I don't talk about what is going to happen until LEO check is completed. If anything seems fishy, I bolt.

5. Negotiate. Although a provider may have a set donation, that doesn't mean that she isn't flexible. If she is unwilling to adjust the donation, either accept it or walk away. For a long time I was pretty passive and just donated whatever was stated first. Now, I will at least ask if she is willing to accept something else. I understand that it is supply vs demand and am nice about it but have also saved a few here and there. Remember that if market price (or higher) is always paid, it will continue to go up.

I think that is about it, but I am sure there is lots more that can be said by Mongers more experienced than I.[/QUOTE]I thought you did a pretty good job with your advice, just a couple things I'd like to add.

First if you have the option of outcall use it! If she's coming to your house there's almost zero chance she's a cop and you have a lot of control in your own place.

Second and while I'm not a frequenter of Street walkers there is a sure fire way to tell if a SW is a cop or not, just ask her if she needs a ride? A women police officer under no circumstances is going to get into your car, ever! Now a regular street hooker might also be cautious about entering your vehicle but she will almost always get inside if you look cool. A police woman never will and asking to give a woman a ride isn't against the law.

Stay safe my brothers. JD.

I believe with what we have now as far as tools go it does make it easier and I would imagine harder to stop. I remember my first dream. It was summer of 87. Found the ad in the village voice. Then went on to picking up the latest copy of screw magazine. While I do go on a hiatus of sorts now and then I must agree its so much easier to pick up this smarty phone and look around. Better than hitting the newsstand. LOL. Good luck JD. If you can quit buying tobacco you can quit buying ass. Just my. 02. This old chief can't quit the damn tobacco. LOL.

Wow. Had to throw this out. If only just to remember,LOL. The days of old are long gone. My first dream was in a place where you went in and about 8 girls if I remember right lined up in front of this young scout and the lady of the house told me to pick. I remember being nervous and unable to decide. She mustve picked up on this and said pick two. This is your first time isn't it. Wow. I picked this gorgeous redhead and this really fine brunette. My first threesome ever and it was amazing. I miss that scenario where there was a place you could chill out grab a drink feel completely safe and shoot the shit with the ladies. But that was many moons ago and now its pick 1 and hope for the best and hope the place isn't shady or a sting. Tonto!

Madam Kiki? I used to work for her. She had a really cool lounge room, and always had a fridge stocked with drinks / beers. All the girls wore all black dresses / heels and we would all come out at once and he got to choose. Then, walked back down into the sessions rooms, and there was massage tables, lay-down showers, etc. Does this sound familiar to you? It was a little pop up business off University, right behind the chicken place. I've always wondered what happened to Kiki. I left shorty, and went independent.

[QUOTE=Tonto25;2769086]Wow. Had to throw this out. If only just to remember,LOL. The days of old are long gone. My first dream was in a place where you went in and about 8 girls if I remember right lined up in front of this young scout and the lady of the house told me to pick. I remember being nervous and unable to decide. She mustve picked up on this and said pick two. This is your first time isn't it. Wow. I picked this gorgeous redhead and this really fine brunette. My first threesome ever and it was amazing. I miss that scenario where there was a place you could chill out grab a drink feel completely safe and shoot the shit with the ladies. But that was many moons ago and now its pick 1 and hope for the best and hope the place isn't shady or a sting. Tonto![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2768658]I thought you did a pretty good job with your advice, just a couple things I'd like to add.

First if you have the option of outcall use it! If she's coming to your house there's almost zero chance she's a cop and you have a lot of control in your own place.

Second and while I'm not a frequenter of Street walkers there is a sure fire way to tell if a SW is a cop or not, just ask her if she needs a ride? A women police officer under no circumstances is going to get into your car, ever! Now a regular street hooker might also be cautious about entering your vehicle but she will almost always get inside if you look cool. A police woman never will and asking to give a woman a ride isn't against the law.

Stay safe my brothers. JD.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I strongly disagree with the outcall advice. The last thing I want is for a past dalliance whom is hard up for cash (or worse homeless) to show up at my front door because they kept my address and meet my wife. Or, they could also scope out the house and send someone to break in and try to steal from me. Als, they are opportunistic so if anything catches thier eye while in the house they will probably try to take it.

Again, it's just my 2 cents but outcalls to your residence is just a really bad idea. The risk is far, far greater than the reward. That being said, I have had Angie to my house but I have known her for many years and I do trust her as we have developed a friendship that goes beyond the client / provider relationship. Stay safe!

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2769422]Sorry, I strongly disagree with the outcall advice. The last thing I want is for a past dalliance whom is hard up for cash (or worse homeless) to show up at my front door because they kept my address and meet my wife. Or, they could also scope out the house and send someone to break in and try to steal from me. Als, they are opportunistic so if anything catches thier eye while in the house they will probably try to take it.

Again, it's just my 2 cents but outcalls to your residence is just a really bad idea. The risk is far, far greater than the reward. That being said, I have had Angie to my house but I have known her for many years and I do trust her as we have developed a friendship that goes beyond the client / provider relationship. Stay safe![/QUOTE]I think just like researching to make sure your incall you visit is a real provider you should always make sure your outcall is planned somewhat. I don't leave anything out I don't want to loose and limit alone time for them. But if I do loose something it can always be replaced, I am not married so I don't worry about someone finding out. Stuff happens though, If you don't show you have something for them to steal them they will hopefully choose the next mark. I am a firm believer or giving the vibe your more trouble trying to rob and steal from that its worth for them, most criminals are cowards unless they are crazy or stoned and I don't plan to see those types and tell them no thanks at the door. With providers working with LE to bust hobbyist with incall just scares me too much. Call me a chicken but I don't want to start my iron bar experience after all these years. Paying more and being selective seems to work better for me, I will get a room now and then too but that's only if I couldn't fill my requirements to come to my house and my hormones pushes me to see a gal.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2769422]Sorry, I strongly disagree with the outcall advice. The last thing I want is for a past dalliance whom is hard up for cash (or worse homeless) to show up at my front door because they kept my address and meet my wife. Or, they could also scope out the house and send someone to break in and try to steal from me. Als, they are opportunistic so if anything catches thier eye while in the house they will probably try to take it.

Again, it's just my 2 cents but outcalls to your residence is just a really bad idea. The risk is far, far greater than the reward. That being said, I have had Angie to my house but I have known her for many years and I do trust her as we have developed a friendship that goes beyond the client / provider relationship. Stay safe![/QUOTE]RT, I've had so many providers to my place I've lost count and never had a single issue, not one! I'm in total control at my place and they know it but hey to each his own. I guess it really depends on your circumstances, I'm not married so that's not a concern and I've never been afraid of some provider showing up at my place unannounced. The idea that they might be scoping out my place to break in, well all can say is good luck with that. I for one would much rather them come to me than me to them, it's not even a close call for me. JD.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2769919]RT, I've had so many providers to my place I've lost count and never had a single issue, not one! I'm in total control at my place and they know it but hey to each his own. I guess it really depends on your circumstances, I'm not married so that's not a concern and I've never been afraid of some provider showing up at my place unannounced. The idea that they might be scoping out my place to break in, well all can say is good luck with that. I for one would much rather them come to me than me to them, it's not even a close call for me. JD.[/QUOTE]RT, you make good sense with your points and obviously that works for you. I however, agree completely with JD.

At my home I'm in total control, in particular the providers I have to pick up and drop off. They come and go on my schedule, not theirs, and they seem to be more cooperative while here. I like to recruit my providers from the strip clubs so that I have time (multiple visits) to get to know them and determine if they are a candidate. As a result I have ongoing happy relationships with three providers that all seem to be happy with the status quo. A side benefit of this is that I have a pretty large photo and video gallery that I can use if necessary for identification (and for my own pleasure).

I let them know (subtlely) that any unannounced visit to ask for money will terminate our relationship, and any suspicious activity will be approached armed.

[QUOTE=JingoXX;2770482]RT, you make good sense with your points and obviously that works for you. I however, agree completely with JD.

At my home I'm in total control, in particular the providers I have to pick up and drop off. They come and go on my schedule, not theirs, and they seem to be more cooperative while here. I like to recruit my providers from the strip clubs so that I have time (multiple visits) to get to know them and determine if they are a candidate. As a result I have ongoing happy relationships with three providers that all seem to be happy with the status quo. A side benefit of this is that I have a pretty large photo and video gallery that I can use if necessary for identification (and for my own pleasure).

I let them know (subtlely) that any unannounced visit to ask for money will terminate our relationship, and any suspicious activity will be approached armed.[/QUOTE]Outcall is the way to go and the reality of all of this is that you have to let these girls know where you stand. They are opportunists and will prey on the week. That goes for all of them, even the ones that are everybody's favorite. If you make it clear to them you won't put up with their shenanigans than you are good. I only do outcall and all you have to do is never let them out of your sight.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2769919]RT, I've had so many providers to my place I've lost count and never had a single issue, not one! I'm in total control at my place and they know it but hey to each his own. I guess it really depends on your circumstances, I'm not married so that's not a concern and I've never been afraid of some provider showing up at my place unannounced. The idea that they might be scoping out my place to break in, well all can say is good luck with that. I for one would much rather them come to me than me to them, it's not even a close call for me. JD.[/QUOTE]Once or twice a year they get a bunch of in call busts of hobbyist but I can't remember a outcall bust of a hobbyist.

[QUOTE=OmegaZ;2770716]Once or twice a year they get a bunch of in call busts of hobbyist but I can't remember a outcall bust of a hobbyist.[/QUOTE]When it comes to the police outcall is by far the safest way to go. Law enforcement officials would never in a million years let an undercover police woman walk in to a situation where they don't have total control. Can you imagine the law suits that would start being filed if guns were indeed used and bullets actually started flying. It would be an absolute nightmare for local law enforcement not to mention bankrupt the city and cost many an officer their jobs. It's just not going to happen. Now setting up in a hotel room waiting for unsuspecting mongers to take the bait now that's right up their alley. But as I've mentioned many times in the past, our local LEOs seem to have other things their more interested in spending taxpayers dollars on, let's hope it stays that way. JD.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2771030]When it comes to the police outcall is by far the safest way to go. Law enforcement officials would never in a million years let an undercover police woman walk in to a situation where they don't have total control. Can you imagine the law suits that would start being filed if guns were indeed used and bullets actually started flying. It would be an absolute nightmare for local law enforcement not to mention bankrupt the city and cost many an officer their jobs. It's just not going to happen. Now setting up in a hotel room waiting for unsuspecting mongers to take the bait now that's right up their alley. But as I've mentioned many times in the past, our local LEOs seem to have other things their more interested in spending taxpayers dollars on, let's hope it stays that way. JD.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to risk the two worlds colliding. Let me be clear, LEO actually never crosses my mind but I do NOT want these people to know where I live. It's just a risk I'm not going to ever take. Over 15 years in doing this and I've never even been in a situation that has made me uncomfortable so I will keep doing what works and keeps me private. Good luck and stay safe though!

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2771163]I'm not going to risk the two worlds colliding. Let me be clear, LEO actually never crosses my mind but I do NOT want these people to know where I live. It's just a risk I'm not going to ever take. Over 15 years in doing this and I've never even been in a situation that has made me uncomfortable so I will keep doing what works and keeps me private. Good luck and stay safe though![/QUOTE]"These people" comment says a lot to your point of view your don't look at them as someone you want in your inner circle and there is nothing wrong with that, I try to choose ladies that are not doing this out of dependency but want to better themselves and that is never an exact science with my lust for a certain lady but I will try to treat them equally. The providers are not always dangerous people and are humans too so I try to treat them that way until I can't or they show me they don't deserve respect. Nothing wrong with your choice at all, you can do your homework and be safe for sure.

[QUOTE=OmegaZ;2771216]"These people" comment says a lot to your point of view your don't look at them as someone you want in your inner circle and there is nothing wrong with that, I try to choose ladies that are not doing this out of dependency but want to better themselves and that is never an exact science with my lust for a certain lady but I will try to treat them equally. The providers are not always dangerous people and are humans too so I try to treat them that way until I can't or they show me they don't deserve respect. Nothing wrong with your choice at all, you can do your homework and be safe for sure.[/QUOTE]Do me a favor and name one provider that you have seen that is on to better things and is a productive member of society. Productive being the key word here. Once they venture down this road, 99.9% spiral the drain.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2771250]Do me a favor and name one provider that you have seen that is on to better things and is a productive member of society. Productive being the key word here. Once they venture down this road, 99.9% spiral the drain.[/QUOTE]Talon, I can name a few that have overcome the odds. I will not name names out of respect to them. One young lady I saw for a couple of years went back to school, got a degree in education and is now a teacher. Another I was seeing 15 years ago went to college, actually was going to college at the time I was seeing her, earned a degree and is now an executive assistant with big company in one of the cities biggest building downtown. And the 3rd lady, well, she overcame more than any other. She had 2 young kids, an abusive husband that was forcing her to trick and feeding her Crack like peppermint candies. She got out, of the business and the marriage, went into a shelter for battered women, got an AA degree from FSCJ, and now is happily married again and she works for a car dealership in their finance department.

The last lady I told you about was known by many people on this board. I'm sure of it. Now I've told you about 3 that I know of that escaped and are leading productive lives. I'm sure there are many more. I agree that the odds are not good. Probably more likely that they are murdered or die of an overdose than to beat the odds. But it can happen.

I will leave you with this. I personally was involved with helping 2 of these women I told you about beat the odds. I helped them financially a little (without anything in return) and more than anything gave them moral support. They were both just good people in a bad way trying to survive. It was more satisfying to me to help them to screw them.

I've been in this a long time guys. I'm not trying to make you think I'm some kind of Saint or anything. I'm not!

[QUOTE=OmegaZ;2769468]I think just like researching to make sure your incall you visit is a real provider you should always make sure your outcall is planned somewhat. I don't leave anything out I don't want to loose and limit alone time for them. But if I do loose something it can always be replaced, I am not married so I don't worry about someone finding out. Stuff happens though, If you don't show you have something for them to steal them they will hopefully choose the next mark. I am a firm believer or giving the vibe your more trouble trying to rob and steal from that its worth for them, most criminals are cowards unless they are crazy or stoned and I don't plan to see those types and tell them no thanks at the door. With providers working with LE to bust hobbyist with incall just scares me too much. Call me a chicken but I don't want to start my iron bar experience after all these years. Paying more and being selective seems to work better for me, I will get a room now and then too but that's only if I couldn't fill my requirements to come to my house and my hormones pushes me to see a gal.[/QUOTE]You have be selective when you do this. There is practically no risk at all of being busted when you do an outcall (especially when you mandate she come alone). That's the only kind of provider I will ever see. Outcall and has to drive herself. It's the safest way. Even if you get a hotel yourself and do an outcall by having her come to you, do you really want the hotel experience? There are cameras everywhere in hotels. What's going to happen if you visit a provider at a hotel and she decides to shoot up right after you leave and ends up ODing? Well guess what, you are going to be the last person seen leaving her room and it will be on tape. Do you really want that in your life regardless of being married or not? Girls that will see you in hotels are junkies, and thieves. Why anyone would risk that will continue to baffle me. Pay more, have them come to you and alone. Can't put a price on safety and freedom.

Guys, the obvious solution is the best of both. I just have them meet me at JaxDogs place, they all know where it is. Only problem is he blows out their o-rings before I get a chance to. But hell, at least it's safe.

[QUOTE=Techi1;2771155]OK, I know that everyone is talking about females and pussies at Wackos, BUT OMG their food is great and nicely priced. I go to Wackos mostly during the daytime and though they have many nice ladies to fuck, Wackos has great food too![/QUOTE]I think we have a club owner as a member! Anyway yes Harvey, your food is also good and at reasonable pricing. Make sure you keep the 2 for 1 beer specials during the entire dayshift though. That's where the gold club and scores fuck up.

[QUOTE=HuntDog30;2771355]Talon, I can name a few that have overcome the odds. I will not name names out of respect to them. One young lady I saw for a couple of years went back to school, got a degree in education and is now a teacher. Another I was seeing 15 years ago went to college, actually was going to college at the time I was seeing her, earned a degree and is now an executive assistant with big company in one of the cities biggest building downtown. And the 3rd lady, well, she overcame more than any other. She had 2 young kids, an abusive husband that was forcing her to trick and feeding her Crack like peppermint candies. She got out, of the business and the marriage, went into a shelter for battered women, got an AA degree from FSCJ, and now is happily married again and she works for a car dealership in their finance department.

The last lady I told you about was known by many people on this board. I'm sure of it. Now I've told you about 3 that I know of that escaped and are leading productive lives. I'm sure there are many more. I agree that the odds are not good. Probably more likely that they are murdered or die of an overdose than to beat the odds. But it can happen.

I will leave you with this. I personally was involved with helping 2 of these women I told you about beat the odds. I helped them financially a little (without anything in return) and more than anything gave them moral support. They were both just good people in a bad way trying to survive. It was more satisfying to me to help them to screw them.

I've been in this a long time guys. I'm not trying to make you think I'm some kind of Saint or anything. I'm not![/QUOTE]I know quite a few former providers that have moved on to live a "normal" life. One started her own business and is doing very well, I actually throw her some work every now and then, no quid qua pro either, just straight business. Another got married and lives not too far from me in a very upscale neighborhood, I'd dare to say her house is nicer than mine, new husband has no idea that she ever was a working girl! I see her at the grocery store every so often and we just kind of wink, laugh and keep on going. Just like strippers eventually most providers will move on, this life can really beat a woman up and if they don't end up in jail or, god forbid dead, most will go on to lead a life in relative obscurity as we all do. One has to remember that their human just like you and I. Many men look and treat these woman as nothing more than a piece of meat and some working girls deserve such treatment because they treat their customers with similar disrespect. I for one have always tried to be nice, respectful and kind. I know this goes against many a mongers philosophy to treat them harshly and show no weakness but like my dear departed father always told me, you get more attention with honey than with vinegar. I believe having this nice guy approach has yielded untold benefits for me in this hobby, have I been taken advantage of, sure, but I also have been able to get lots of added "extras" I. E, reduced cost on subsequent visits, many times I've been able to do things with these women that surprise and shock many of my fellow mongers. Like HuntDog said, while I'm no saint I'm not the devil either. Here's a picture of just what I'm talking about, an old favorite of mine that is now an out of the business UTR girl that many of you would know if you've been around a while. I'm not naming any names, she'd be pissed but I've seeing her on and off for some time now, sorry guys she's not taking on anyone new, has a regular job and a boyfriend. She's one I'm sorely going to miss, you know how the Jdog loves a deep anal finish! JD.

[QUOTE=KittyLikker;2771642]Guys, the obvious solution is the best of both. I just have them meet me at JaxDogs place, they all know where it is. Only problem is he blows out their o-rings before I get a chance to. But hell, at least it's safe.[/QUOTE]That's was pretty funny KL, one thing I will miss is the levity of some mongers on this site. I can always count on a few chuckles when reading the some of the posts. JD.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2771250]Do me a favor and name one provider that you have seen that is on to better things and is a productive member of society. Productive being the key word here. Once they venture down this road, 99.9% spiral the drain.[/QUOTE]I guess I used the word try but I am sure we all have the lady from the hobby that no longer advertises that we still see now and then who have improved their lives, I didn't say they were not fruit loops but got a leg up from the hobby. There are some ladies out there that laugh at the fellas who get upset while they get thousands from fellas who compete for their time. I recently spoke with a provider who said they are making 15 k to 20 k a month and have guys throwing money at them to try and lock them up and its a juggling act too keep them all going. I have know her for years and she is no dummy and leads 2 lives and is selective, your nice and transparent you will have no issues because just like guys she likes variety also. Purses and shoes don't lead to a future or retirement but hey you got to live your life the way you want too.

[QUOTE=GufyFosho;2771633]You have be selective when you do this. There is practically no risk at all of being busted when you do an outcall (especially when you mandate she come alone). That's the only kind of provider I will ever see. Outcall and has to drive herself. It's the safest way. Even if you get a hotel yourself and do an outcall by having her come to you, do you really want the hotel experience? There are cameras everywhere in hotels. What's going to happen if you visit a provider at a hotel and she decides to shoot up right after you leave and ends up ODing? Well guess what, you are going to be the last person seen leaving her room and it will be on tape. Do you really want that in your life regardless of being married or not? Girls that will see you in hotels are junkies, and thieves. Why anyone would risk that will continue to baffle me. Pay more, have them come to you and alone. Can't put a price on safety and freedom.[/QUOTE]We both have a lady in common we have seen when she was working that have improved her life and has moved on from the hobby now that she has saved enough to get her where she wants to be.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2771780]I know quite a few former providers that have moved on to live a "normal" life. One started her own business and is doing very well, I actually throw her some work every now and then, no quid qua pro either, just straight business. Another got married and lives not too far from me in a very upscale neighborhood, I'd dare to say her house is nicer than mine, new husband has no idea that she ever was a working girl! I see her at the grocery store every so often and we just kind of wink, laugh and keep on going. Just like strippers eventually most providers will move on, this life can really beat a woman up and if they don't end up in jail or, god forbid dead, most will go on to lead a life in relative obscurity as we all do. One has to remember that their human just like you and I. Many men look and treat these woman as nothing more than a piece of meat and some working girls deserve such treatment because they treat their customers with similar disrespect. I for one have always tried to be nice, respectful and kind. I know this goes against many a mongers philosophy to treat them harshly and show no weakness but like my dear departed father always told me, you get more attention with honey than with vinegar. I believe having this nice guy approach has yielded untold benefits for me in this hobby, have I been taken advantage of, sure, but I also have been able to get lots of added "extras" I. E, reduced cost on subsequent visits, many times I've been able to do things with these women that surprise and shock many of my fellow mongers. Like HuntDog said, while I'm no saint I'm not the devil either. Here's a picture of just what I'm talking about, an old favorite of mine that is now an out of the business UTR girl that many of you would know if you've been around a while. I'm not naming any names, she'd be pissed but I've seeing her on and off for some time now, sorry guys she's not taking on anyone new, has a regular job and a boyfriend. She's one I'm sorely going to miss, you know how the Jdog loves a deep anal finish! JD.[/QUOTE]But that doesn't mean they don't have bad intentions. Ask yourself what kind of woman actually does something like this? These women more than likely come from all walks of life. They come from fatherless homes, abusive pasts, and who knows what else? They're desperate and feeling there is no way out so they turn to hooking. That's how low they go. Selling the snatch for cash to make it. Sounds pretty desperate if you ask me and that's a crying shame. I'm no saint and no devil either, but these girls will put themselves before you in a minute. ALL OF THEM! That's how desperate they are. Keep your head on the swivel brother.

[QUOTE=GufyFosho;2772164]But that doesn't mean they don't have bad intentions. Ask yourself what kind of woman actually does something like this? These women more than likely come from all walks of life. They come from fatherless homes, abusive pasts, and who knows what else? They're desperate and feeling there is no way out so they turn to hooking. That's how low they go. Selling the snatch for cash to make it. Sounds pretty desperate if you ask me and that's a crying shame. I'm no saint and no devil either, but these girls will put themselves before you in a minute. ALL OF THEM! That's how desperate they are. Keep your head on the swivel brother.[/QUOTE]Plenty of women are successful and do very well for themselves but there are some who need money but want it to come easy, I see most come from middle class lives where they played video games or dolls never having to lift a finger or taught how to pay for something with sweat or a job, power bill, rent what's that? The lure of easy money has a very strong appeal. Perhaps you could understand it better standing in their shoes but its the ultimate enticement lack of money blues. Desperation means the pay offs and the rip offs or the things nobody saw.

[QUOTE=GufyFosho;2772164]But that doesn't mean they don't have bad intentions. Ask yourself what kind of woman actually does something like this? These women more than likely come from all walks of life. They come from fatherless homes, abusive pasts, and who knows what else? They're desperate and feeling there is no way out so they turn to hooking. That's how low they go. Selling the snatch for cash to make it. Sounds pretty desperate if you ask me and that's a crying shame. I'm no saint and no devil either, but these girls will put themselves before you in a minute. ALL OF THEM! That's how desperate they are. Keep your head on the swivel brother.[/QUOTE]While I agree some providers do indeed have bad intentions it's been my experience their the exception not the rule. Most providers are looking to get you off as quickly as possible and get paid so they can go purchase whatever their drug of choice is. Still others find themselves in a bad situation and are just tying to make money to support themselves and their kids. I've met a number of younger providers that are doing it for the thrill of the experience. I had a thirty something year old provider that I was seeing for a long time call me one day and asked me if I'd be willing to see her 19 year old sister who was wanting to try fucking for money for the hell of it. I asked my "friend" if she thought I'd like her sister and she told me absolutely, so I figure what the hell. I said sure give her my number, she calls me and we set up a meeting, her sister shows up at my place, all I can say is holy fuck batman, she was smoken hot but obviously nervous. I'm cool, though on the inside I'm going like a million miles a minute not believing what's was standing in front of me. We both relax a little talking on the couch. I get her something to drink and we talked some more, I've been told I'm not a bad looking guy for my age and she seemed to like me, well with in fifteen minutes we end up back in my room fucking like a couple of highschool kids. She was awesome and I gave her a 100, she seemed thoroughly pleased with the arrangement and I ended up seeing her for almost a year. I even tried to see if she wanted to get with a couple of my buddies but she never took me up on the offer, she'd come over once or twice a month and fuck my brains out until she told me after about a year she'd gotten pretty serious with her boyfriend and was go to have to stop our fun. She even planned our last visit together. She was a sweetheart and I've seen many a provider that were like that, not devious, no bad intentions just trying to make some cash. So while I agree one must always be vigilant you can also meet some real and decent women as well. JD.

[QUOTE=KittyLikker;2771642]Guys, the obvious solution is the best of both. I just have them meet me at JaxDogs place, they all know where it is. Only problem is he blows out their o-rings before I get a chance to. But hell, at least it's safe.[/QUOTE]Funny! My 2 cents is that they enjoy my house. Better lighting for pics and I roast a chicken with sweet potatoes.

[QUOTE=Singer5411;2772757]Funny! My 2 cents is that they enjoy my house. Better lighting for pics and I roast a chicken with sweet potatoes.[/QUOTE]Also, everyone gets to chill without looking over their shoulder looking for the bogyeman. I'll never do the car date thing again.

[QUOTE=OmegaZ;2772151]We both have a lady in common we have seen when she was working that have improved her life and has moved on from the hobby now that she has saved enough to get her where she wants to be.[/QUOTE]And she was the best, hands down. Better than Maliyah, and everyone else's favorites here. She knew how to do this and do it well.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2772462]While I agree some providers do indeed have bad intentions it's been my experience their the exception not the rule. Most providers are looking to get you off as quickly as possible and get paid so they can go purchase whatever their drug of choice is. Still others find themselves in a bad situation and are just tying to make money to support themselves and their kids. I've met a number of younger providers that are doing it for the thrill of the experience. I had a thirty something year old provider that I was seeing for a long time call me one day and asked me if I'd be willing to see her 19 year old sister who was wanting to try fucking for money for the hell of it. I asked my "friend" if she thought I'd like her sister and she told me absolutely, so I figure what the hell. I said sure give her my number, she calls me and we set up a meeting, her sister shows up at my place, all I can say is holy fuck batman, she was smoken hot but obviously nervous. I'm cool, though on the inside I'm going like a million miles a minute not believing what's was standing in front of me. We both relax a little talking on the couch. I get her something to drink and we talked some more, I've been told I'm not a bad looking guy for my age and she seemed to like me, well with in fifteen minutes we end up back in my room fucking like a couple of highschool kids. She was awesome and I gave her a 100, she seemed thoroughly pleased with the arrangement and I ended up seeing her for almost a year. I even tried to see if she wanted to get with a couple of my buddies but she never took me up on the offer, she'd come over once or twice a month and fuck my brains out until she told me after about a year she'd gotten pretty serious with her boyfriend and was go to have to stop our fun. She even planned our last visit together. She was a sweetheart and I've seen many a provider that were like that, not devious, no bad intentions just trying to make some cash. So while I agree one must always be vigilant you can also meet some real and decent women as well. JD.[/QUOTE]I agree with you JD.

Not all providers are bad. Not all mongers are good.

Treat others as you wish to be treated: with dignity and respect.

Do not judge, lest you be judged. Or have some of you married dudes (you know the overly cautious ones) so quickly forgotten that you "are "judging" the very same people you seek for your infidelities.

That's why we shouldn't judge. Because by doing so we invite others to judge us. And well we all know where that leads.

Hug a provider, they're people too.

J4 me.