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[QUOTE=MyNickname;4290523]I only meet SA babies that do everything and do everything bare.[/QUOTE]No judgement whatsoever, wanted to ask just out of interest, are you guys not worried about STIs? I would love to do BB too but am paranoid about contacting something, so always prefer covered. Do you guys ask the provider to show a clean test report or something before going for BB? Any other precautions one can take? Or is it just that the probability of getting something is very very low?
[QUOTE=Marc2020;4290502]Anyone every seen her? Says she's an ex-dancer, now apparently doing private dances.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1b221e34-3584-4fc9-8b33-283d2a612f63[/URL][/QUOTE]I met her once from another website (Ashley Madison, IIRC). Positives, she is a beautiful woman, well dressed (and undressed), a woman, not a girl. Pretty face and really pretty eyes. Is a non-pro and is playing for her purse and shoe habit. Yes, she was a dancer. Stripped when she got out of college. Still have a dancers body.
Negatives: no FS. She did give me a heck of a lap dance, and an BJ. Finished on her chest. I told her afterwards that I was looking for more. Specifically FS. I asked her again when I found her on SA. No, her boundaries have not changed. So I chose not to see her again.
[QUOTE=Marc2020;4290502]Anyone every seen her? Says she's an ex-dancer, now apparently doing private dances.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1b221e34-3584-4fc9-8b33-283d2a612f63[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Diver6390;4291663]I met her once from another website (Ashley Madison, IIRC). Positives, she is a beautiful woman, well dressed (and undressed), a woman, not a girl. Pretty face and really pretty eyes. Is a non-pro and is playing for her purse and shoe habit. Yes, she was a dancer. Stripped when she got out of college. Still have a dancers body.
Negatives: no FS. She did give me a heck of a lap dance, and an BJ. Finished on her chest. I told her afterwards that I was looking for more. Specifically FS. I asked her again when I found her on SA. No, her boundaries have not changed. So I chose not to see her again.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the intel. We texted back and forth from SA but she did not let me know clearly what allowance she wanted or what was on the table if we did meet. So I moved on. Seems like I may have missed out. Even though she does not provide FS, I think I would enjoy her company for a lap-dance + finish. Just wish she had communicated better, been upfront about what she was comfortable with and the allowance she would accept for that. I may have sprung for it, if the allowance was resonable. Mind you this would be an exception. I pretty much only look for FS with BB. So this would have been a one time thing.
[QUOTE=RandomV;4291284]No judgement whatsoever, wanted to ask just out of interest, are you guys not worried about STIs? I would love to do BB too but am paranoid about contacting something, so always prefer covered. Do you guys ask the provider to show a clean test report or something before going for BB? Any other precautions one can take? Or is it just that the probability of getting something is very very low?[/QUOTE]I also only do covered, but I know that in the grand scheme of things, the risks are pretty small. Once I had my vasectomy, I only wore condoms with pros. Non-pros were never an issue. I would be surprised if I had less than 100 non-pros during my 30's and I can honestly say that the only time I caught something was from a woman in Honduras that was deeply religious and swore that she only had sex a couple of times. Even now, on the very, very rare occasion when a condom breaks I don't get the least bit concerned, if she's wearing condoms with most people she's fine. I do personally believe that if you're truly freaked out over the possibility of getting an STD, then you probably shouldn't be doing this hobby.
300 multi hour (half day) 500 sleepover.
Evergreen trees, BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a82053ae-3a89-45c6-95d3-8908026b9c54[/URL]
Newbestfriends, BBFS, cip, no anal things, everything else goes and bare.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7b0e34d1-8c4c-430a-a12a-1201e9c8af46[/URL]
Babyyyemm, BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.
My size hot red head, BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare, her fantasies are gang bang and rape.
Alwaysradnotsad, BBFS, cip, everything except anal, everything bare.
Insightful_98 , BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.
Karinachka1 , BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.
Tallblondie1, BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.
Your sexy sidekick, BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.
Rye33, BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.
1) do you take them out for dinner / drinks or just head to their place (like an escort)?
I see Non Pros therefore I meet them in a normal date for snack or dinner or beverage first with no commitment to anything else, no money given for it and no commitment other than to check out our chemistry, just like SA guidelines says.
If a lady says she can host then I decline to see her. To me that means she is in best case scenario a semi pro because of the term "host". If she says we could use her place after we develop trust then I am ok with it and I meet her.
2) are you up front with your intentions (BBFS, CIP) to set expectations?
Yes, I do. There are ways you can approach these subjects with class and clarity to set expectations. Some ladies decline to continue conversation, other say they will think about it, other decline, most of them say yes.
Having said that, a rare few change mind when you are naked and BBFS inside them and they say they don't want to do anal at which point I don't even talk about it, just go with the flow and don't do anal but then I don't see them again and when they ask me the reason I am not seeing them again I let them know they changed our agreement and I didn't like the new agreement they wanted.
3) does it take multiple dates with these girls or are you finding first time luck?
Same answer as answer to question #2. I do not see SA ladies that don't do everything and bare.
4) are you up to pass on my contact # to SA lady?
No, I see non pros and treat them as such. How do you guys think I would be able to tell her, hey, I know you are a lady but I am about to treat you like a ***** by giving you the contact of a complete unknown guy (even to me) because he wants to fuck you. Can you imagine all her questions like "and how the fuck does he know I exist if I am no longer in SA?" "how come you have his contact to hand over to me if you don't even know him?" etc.
You guys really have an escort market mentality when you think on going to SA but that shouldn't be the case. Yes, there are escorts in SA but I go there to get non pros because I am trying to get away from the crazy escort market of crazy high donations for 1 hr with super limited dos and mechanical / business attitudes. Believe it or not but I have had even better than porn actress sex and sweet loving sex with non pros from SA. No, I am not a hunk nor handsome to that point. It is all about how you approach them and how you treat them, your game. If you have game you are golden.
5) Did you guys discuss an allowance or is she a "pay per date" type of gal?
I do. I tell them what I want. About 70% of them agree they are also looking for allowance on date, that it makes sense. NOTE: when I do a search I filter out those who have a platonic tag.
6) Also, her place, your place, hotel?
Never get them to your place. Even though they are non pros, you never know if they will show up when you are busy with another baby at your place. Hotel is the most convenient way to start an arrangement. Her place only if she says we can use her place after we have developed trust.
[QUOTE=MyNickname;4292041]300 multi hour (half day) 500 sleepover.
Evergreen trees, BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a82053ae-3a89-45c6-95d3-8908026b9c54[/URL]
Newbestfriends, BBFS, cip, no anal things, everything else goes and bare.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7b0e34d1-8c4c-430a-a12a-1201e9c8af46[/URL]
Babyyyemm, BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.
My size hot red head, BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare, her fantasies are gang bang and rape.
Alwaysradnotsad, BBFS, cip, everything except anal, everything bare.
Insightful_98 , BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.
Karinachka1 , BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.
Tallblondie1, BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.
Your sexy sidekick, BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.
Rye33, BBFS, cip, everything goes and bare.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MyNickname;4292950]
2) are you up front with your intentions (BBFS, CIP) to set expectations?
Yes, I do. There are ways you can approach these subjects with class and clarity to set expectations.[/QUOTE]Sir, this is ALL great stuff. You should be on all the talk shows nationally. But can you give a couple examples of what you say for BBFS and CIP. I'm totally lacking here.
[QUOTE=MyNickname;4292950]1) do you take them out for dinner / drinks or just head to their place (like an escort)?
I see Non Pros therefore I meet them in a normal date for snack or dinner or beverage first with no commitment to anything else, no money given for it and no commitment other than to check out our chemistry, just like SA guidelines says.
If a lady says she can host then I decline to see her. To me that means she is in best case scenario a semi pro because of the term "host". If she says we could use her place after we develop trust then I am ok with it and I meet her.
2) are you up front with your intentions (BBFS, CIP) to set expectations?
Yes, I do. There are ways you can approach these subjects with class and clarity to set expectations. Some ladies decline to continue conversation, other say they will think about it, other decline, most of them say yes.
Having said that, a rare few change mind when you are naked and BBFS inside them and they say they don't want to do anal at which point I don't even talk about it, just go with the flow and don't do anal but then I don't see them again and when they ask me the reason I am not seeing them again I let them know they changed our agreement and I didn't like the new agreement they wanted.
3) does it take multiple dates with these girls or are you finding first time luck?
Same answer as answer to question #2. I do not see SA ladies that don't do everything and bare.
4) are you up to pass on my contact # to SA lady?
No, I see non pros and treat them as such. How do you guys think I would be able to tell her, hey, I know you are a lady but I am about to treat you like a ***** by giving you the contact of a complete unknown guy (even to me) because he wants to fuck you. Can you imagine all her questions like "and how the fuck does he know I exist if I am no longer in SA?" "how come you have his contact to hand over to me if you don't even know him?" etc.
You guys really have an escort market mentality when you think on going to SA but that shouldn't be the case. Yes, there are escorts in SA but I go there to get non pros because I am trying to get away from the crazy escort market of crazy high donations for 1 hr with super limited dos and mechanical / business attitudes. Believe it or not but I have had even better than porn actress sex and sweet loving sex with non pros from SA. No, I am not a hunk nor handsome to that point. It is all about how you approach them and how you treat them, your game. If you have game you are golden.
5) Did you guys discuss an allowance or is she a "pay per date" type of gal?
I do. I tell them what I want. About 70% of them agree they are also looking for allowance on date, that it makes sense. NOTE: when I do a search I filter out those who have a platonic tag.
6) Also, her place, your place, hotel?
Never get them to your place. Even though they are non pros, you never know if they will show up when you are busy with another baby at your place. Hotel is the most convenient way to start an arrangement. Her place only if she says we can use her place after we have developed trust.[/QUOTE]You're the non pro guru. LOL.
You should hold a clinic, or at least charge for access to a FAQ.
[QUOTE=Toomgis;4293010]Sir, this is ALL great stuff. You should be on all the talk shows nationally. But can you give a couple examples of what you say for BBFS and CIP. I'm totally lacking here.[/QUOTE]I am faced with the same challenge of figuring out a classy way to tell a woman that I want to fuck her bare and CIP / CIA. I am hard pressed to play a version of that scene in my head which comes of as classy.
[QUOTE=Michael1967;4291743]I also only do covered, but I know that in the grand scheme of things, the risks are pretty small. Once I had my vasectomy, I only wore condoms with pros. Non-pros were never an issue. I would be surprised if I had less than 100 non-pros during my 30's and I can honestly say that the only time I caught something was from a woman in Honduras that was deeply religious and swore that she only had sex a couple of times. Even now, on the very, very rare occasion when a condom breaks I don't get the least bit concerned, if she's wearing condoms with most people she's fine. I do personally believe that if you're truly freaked out over the possibility of getting an STD, then you probably shouldn't be doing this hobby.[/QUOTE]You are so right! Thanks for the advice. Not doing the hobby is not an option, but I will stick to non pros and be covered at all times.
Hi guys, did anyone have any experience with [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8e2b09e0-f91d-4b33-8e93-e8ef35d0f774[/URL] ?
Been chatting with her, but I'm not sure if she is serious.
[QUOTE=RandomV;4294673]Hi guys, did anyone have any experience with [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8e2b09e0-f91d-4b33-8e93-e8ef35d0f774[/URL] ?
Been chatting with her, but I'm not sure if she is serious.[/QUOTE]I was chatting with her for a bit and her account vanished on me. Not sure if she blocked me or deleted her account. Can anyone confirm?
Talked to her, she did not answer the BBFS question or any details. She wouldn't say anything other than she would let me know if she didn't want to do something once we were in the act.
[QUOTE=RandomV;4294673]Hi guys, did anyone have any experience with [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8e2b09e0-f91d-4b33-8e93-e8ef35d0f774[/URL] ?
Been chatting with her, but I'm not sure if she is serious.[/QUOTE]
She blocked you.
I can see her profile.
[QUOTE=AK6571;4294886]I was chatting with her for a bit and her account vanished on me. Not sure if she blocked me or deleted her account. Can anyone confirm?[/QUOTE]
ClassyAsh, she does everything and everything bare. Allowance is as usual 300 multihour (half day) or 500 sleepover.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/2a952055-3016-4995-97b5-c815258f2714[/URL]
Applejuice525, she does everything and everything bare. BBFS, cip but she is plan B. Allowance is 300 multi hour (half day).
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/57c7bcf4-83b3-45f2-91ce-eec28a462f0f[/URL]
Fixing wrong link from previous post.
ClassyAsh, she does everything and everything bare. BBFS, cip. Allowance is 300 multi hour (half day) or 500 sleepover.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2a952055-3016-4995-97b5-c815258f2714[/URL]
Sammi2711,300 multi hour (half day) , does everything and does everything bare, she prefers not anal. Cip. As all ladies in my previous posts, you are allowed to finish anywhere.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/fd071f63-57bc-45a7-873e-6ade1a899bc0[/URL]
Looking to satisfy a kink of mine with a non-pro. Any intel of an SA lady that is okay with raw and has a full (or even trimmed but full) Bush? Lately everyone I meet is shaved and I miss a nice hairy snatch.
Had a great time with cutiewabooty last week! She is better looking in person, sweet, intelligent, kind, and sexy as hell! She's a student and therefore has a somewhat flexible schedule. Safety girl. Met her for 2 hours or so, negotiated ppm allowance for 400. Please PM me for any clarifications. Highly recommend her!!
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f7722555-5bc4-453d-8aad-79ba7b87916d[/URL]
I like Asian girls, and if they are shaved or waxed that is even better. Anyone have info or recommendations? Anyone had experience with the students from China?
Anyone here a tech bro? PM cause I got an interesting opportunity for fun but it's got to be someone non-shady.
Hey why'all, I have a mid 20's under the radar friend that could use some financial assistance.
The pros: Very personable, didn't look at the clock once. A bit of a nympho, let me facefuck her with all I had and begged me not to stop. Also multi-orgasmic and loves reverse cowgirl.
The cons: She lives out past Snoqualmie, but can come to you. Also, her phone is not the best, so it may take some time to get something set up, but it is for sure worth it. Basically just a regular girl trying to take care of her kid.
Anyway, I've attached a pic and you can PM me for more info. Thanks.
[QUOTE=AK6571;4293342]I am faced with the same challenge of figuring out a classy way to tell a woman that I want to fuck her bare and CIP / CIA. I am hard pressed to play a version of that scene in my head which comes of as classy.[/QUOTE]+1, would like to hear how others handle this.
[QUOTE=FlowIndigo;4301840]+1, would like to hear how others handle this.[/QUOTE]My lines contain low key, discreet, UTR, quality over quantity, making sure the woman is very pleased, kinda kinky, kinda dirty, kinda rough in a playful way, no limits, believe sex when both parties are fully turned on is best natural with no barriers or limitations.
If you wine and dine them enough, make them comfortable, make them laugh, make them feel safe, and prove you can protect them and care for them (just about every woman out there will let you have them however you want.
Bonus points for the ones who like to really be taken during sex. Those chicks rock!
[QUOTE=FlowIndigo;4301840]+1, would like to hear how others handle this.[/QUOTE]Not really a "classy" way Of telling someone you haven't met you want to blast a load in them. On the other hand, this is seeking arrangements and they should know what the deal is. The safety factor is tough to discuss ahead of time on its own. I usually start down a path of what they like sexually and them weave it in to the conversation. You can tell the slutty ones pretty quick but the best ones are the ones that you start covered and end up getting asked just to go without later on. But they also take the most work.
Happy hunting!
[QUOTE=TravelPooner;4302282]Not really a "classy" way Of telling someone you haven't met you want to blast a load in them. On the other hand, this is seeking arrangements and they should know what the deal is. The safety factor is tough to discuss ahead of time on its own. I usually start down a path of what they like sexually and them weave it in to the conversation. You can tell the slutty ones pretty quick but the best ones are the ones that you start covered and end up getting asked just to go without later on. But they also take the most work.
Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Just ask. All this bullshit about lines and needing to show you can protect them is stupid. These chicks know what's up, why they are looking for a guy (and what the guy wants. Tell them upfront. Most will say no, but many will go with it cause they want to make money. The younger they are the more likely they'll say yes cause they're young and dumb (inexperienced). If they say no, move on to the next one (and there is a new one every day).
Personally I wouldn't do it though. At least anymore. Any chick desperate enough for money to spread their legs for random guys for a few bucks is a disaster waiting to happen. Either catching an STD or getting pregnant. Both of which will suck for you.
[QUOTE=FlowIndigo;4301840]+1, would like to hear how others handle this.[/QUOTE]Here is my thought, just ask or don't, if you look at her and say if she gets pissed and doesn't want to see me an I ok with that if yes then ask, but if she is really hot and you just want to fuck her to say you fucked her, then see what she says in person, if she says use a condom then do it, I mean you still get to fuck her right?
That is what I do and it has worked out well, sure some have blocked me, but those are ones I would be happy to get in, but if not oh well.
Maybe I am an asshole, or not, whatever.
[QUOTE=Merovingian2;4303028]Just ask. All this bullshit about lines and needing to show you can protect them is stupid. These chicks know what's up, why they are looking for a guy (and what the guy wants. Tell them upfront. Most will say no, but many will go with it cause they want to make money. The younger they are the more likely they'll say yes cause they're young and dumb (inexperienced). If they say no, move on to the next one (and there is a new one every day).
Personally I wouldn't do it though. At least anymore. Any chick desperate enough for money to spread their legs for random guys for a few bucks is a disaster waiting to happen. Either catching an STD or getting pregnant. Both of which will suck for you.[/QUOTE]Yep there is risk, in fact in the past month I have learned that 3 girls I have been with are now pregnant, not by me.
[QUOTE=BrstMan;4303173]Yep there is risk, in fact in the past month I have learned that 3 girls I have been with are now pregnant, not by me.[/QUOTE]I carry Plan B with me when I go to an appt. When I bb a lady, I see the lady drink it after the appt, I make that clear up front. Actually you would be surprised most women love that fact that I came prepared, it is win win.
[QUOTE=AK6571;4293342]I am faced with the same challenge of figuring out a classy way to tell a woman that I want to fuck her bare and CIP / CIA. I am hard pressed to play a version of that scene in my head which comes of as classy.[/QUOTE]When I am working on logistics of the where and when with these ladies on SA, I ask these two questions:
I say that I am clean and assume they are too??
I ask if she is on birth control??
Both help to give her the idea of what you are looking for.
I usually find out during the apptmointment. After eating them out and making them cum, the younger ones immideately allow it. I noticed asking beforehand results in a price hike and that for me is too off-putting resulting in me not seeing them. What I am saying is, if you are truly concerned about your health and safety and tell me "no", I respect you and will even proceed to see you, if I am interested. If you worry about your safety but are willing to do it for 50 or 100 more. Then you are just using that as an excuse to squeeze more money out of it. That to me makes absolutely no sense. So when I do ask up front, I just say "I believe in transparency and absolutely love to make sure my partner and I are having the best possible time together. So I will be honest. I prefer not to use protection, since I am not exteremly active, I know I am clean. What do you think?" . Many say no problem, even I prefer that. Many come back and say no. Many ask for more money. Either way I know where I stand.
I am not recommending this approach, everyone has their own style and persona to approach a conversation. This is mine, upfront, honest and one that screams "I do not have time to play games. If you are down, you can keep my money. Otherwise there are a lot of fish in the sea".
Happy hunting gentlemen.
[QUOTE=Evanos;4301716]Hey why'all, I have a mid 20's under the radar friend that could use some financial assistance.
The pros: Very personable, didn't look at the clock once. A bit of a nympho, let me facefuck her with all I had and begged me not to stop. Also multi-orgasmic and loves reverse cowgirl.
The cons: She lives out past Snoqualmie, but can come to you. Also, her phone is not the best, so it may take some time to get something set up, but it is for sure worth it. Basically just a regular girl trying to take care of her kid.
Anyway, I've attached a pic and you can PM me for more info. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You must have a lot of interest. Willing to trade some info on amazing UTR women.
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I'm curious if & what people do for M&G dates with 18-20 yo SB's? I've had good success and fun taking women 22 on dinner dates. Nobody seems to notice or care and I've never felt self-conscious. But with younger ones I'm only comfortable with "coffee & a walk" type dates. I see a lot of interesting potential NSA / FWB girls but I'm hesitant to ask them out on a full-on dinner date. Thoughts?
Cross-over.
NWcleo SA.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8caed72a-a100-4b3d-ada5-9d76b51c522f[/URL]
Cleo96 TNA.
[URL]https://www.tnaboard.com/member.php?253898-Cleo96[/URL]
[QUOTE=Twister100;4304599]Cross-over.
NWcleo SA.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8caed72a-a100-4b3d-ada5-9d76b51c522f[/URL]
Cleo96 TNA.
[URL]https://www.tnaboard.com/member.php?253898-Cleo96[/URL][/QUOTE]She is also a dancer at Ricks!
[QUOTE=Twister100;4304599]Cross-over.
NWcleo SA.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8caed72a-a100-4b3d-ada5-9d76b51c522f[/URL]
Cleo96 TNA.
[URL]https://www.tnaboard.com/member.php?253898-Cleo96[/URL][/QUOTE][QUOTE=RandyDarwin;4304653]She is also a dancer at Ricks![/QUOTE]She looks hot, can anyone share firsthand info if she is BB friendly?
[QUOTE=WFM33;4304467]I'm curious if & what people do for M&G dates with 18-20 yo SB's? I've had good success and fun taking women 22 on dinner dates. Nobody seems to notice or care and I've never felt self-conscious. But with younger ones I'm only comfortable with "coffee & a walk" type dates. I see a lot of interesting potential NSA / FWB girls but I'm hesitant to ask them out on a full-on dinner date. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Ever been to the gold-coast AKA Viagara Triangle area in Chicago? The Goldcost area is the richest, most expensive real estate in the heart of downtown. It is known for super-old men walking around with ultra happy 18 and 20 yr olds. No one cares. She is with you not with the bloke judging you. Enjoy the attention (envy) and own it.
Remember "Morality is the lack of opportunity" .
[QUOTE=DrTraveler;4304062]You must have a lot of interest. Willing to trade some info on amazing UTR women.[/QUOTE]+1, would love this girl's info, I am out towards snoqualmie often.
[QUOTE=Evanos;4301716]Hey why'all, I have a mid 20's under the radar friend that could use some financial assistance.
The pros: Very personable, didn't look at the clock once. A bit of a nympho, let me facefuck her with all I had and begged me not to stop. Also multi-orgasmic and loves reverse cowgirl.
The cons: She lives out past Snoqualmie, but can come to you. Also, her phone is not the best, so it may take some time to get something set up, but it is for sure worth it. Basically just a regular girl trying to take care of her kid.
Anyway, I've attached a pic and you can PM me for more info. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Tried to PM, but your inbox is full. Good morning Evanos. When you get a chance, can you send me contact info on your friend in Snoqualmie I would love to meet her. I am in the general area, so that is not too far out. Thanks! BTW, I have been on TNA for a long time, but recently joined this forum. Have a great rest of the week despite the downturn in weather.