"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Rrguy;3292546]I'm in the same boat. Recently renewed, got locked out and told I needed to change password, but have stopped using the email I set the account up with. When I contacted customer service as they instructed, they asked for the billing address I used as part of the verification to change email addresses and get back into my account. Anyone have the same response from SA? After the Ashley Madison hack, I'm a little leery of giving out any such info. Even though my billing is to a private PO box only I have access to. Thoughts / comments?[/QUOTE]Wow, that is bad news. I feel lucky I was able to update my password and be done w / it. I presume that the verification you are talking about is from SA, not from your email vendor. I also have never given SA accurate 'billing address' (they don't bill me and I don't use a CC that has a billing address). The only thing I have attended to was a zip code for my fictitious address, which must match what I have input to my OneVanilla prepaid.

If this really is the way it is, I'd advise you to simply get a new sugar email and set up a new profile at SA. I know whatever you have paid on your current membership goes up in smoke if you do that. For me that wouldn't be a huge deal b/c I only pay for a month at a time. If you're trying to avoid potential exposure as a member somewhere down the line, that would be a sure way to go. This is not a small deal. As you say, the AM hack is a lesson. Today on my job email, I get hundreds of spam messages per day. After complaining to our web staff, they investigated and say their best guess is my email address has been marked to be spammed. Unfortunately, that email was also used for AM (it was a long time ago and I didn't know all the precautions I observe today).

If you're scared of losing them, then you may have to consider it. But after a bad experience once, I always say no. I lost one quality SB over it, but even then she saw me once or twice more, though wasn't quite as enthusiastic. The rest took it in stride and nothing changed. But it's also my style to cycle through, so sometimes those types of requests told me it was time to move on.

But I think that it comes down to each situation and if you're content being played or not, and willing to accept the possibility of losing the girl. In a truly long term arrangement, going above and beyond occasionally is unavoidable. On the other hand, I wouldn't consider doing it after a couple of dates, and some girls will ask. To me that's just being a sucker.

If you decide to do it, I would take some off at the next date or two, but you do still want her to get compensation for each meeting so she has incentive to meet. Compensation is a much better motivator than gratitude, that fades fast.

[QUOTE=BobVac21;3292808]It's become apparent to me that at SB University the women learn that it is appropriate to ask for loans in addition to the in place "arrangement". They all have the same playbook they cycle thru for tires, rent, etc. I am only a first term freshman at SD University and was wondering to what degree in a long term quite satisfying arrangement those of you who are PhD SDs simply forgive the loan and do not deduct it from the arrangement at the next date. Is there a social protocol? Is it case by case? Would appreciate any of your experience, thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NVSteven;3286407]
Exercise: Since the end of January, I have been eating clean (chicken, baked fish, raw broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, grapefruit, limited carbs) and hitting the gym like a demon three or four days a week. I'm 42, so I'm not a young buck, but I'm not that far advanced into middle age yet. I do one hour boxing or kickboxing classes, and typically burn 800-900+ calories per one hour session per my Fitbit. Sometimes if I am extra motivated, I'll do two of these classes back to back. I've lost 18 lbs over the last three weeks. Although my FWB tells me that she can't keep up and that I will be the death of her, I know that erection-wise I could be better. I wasn't getting quite as hard as I wanted even with 25 mg of vitamin V. However, as of this week, I have noticed an improvement in erection quality, which I am sure is due to exercise and nutrition. JZLizard, thank you kindly for your advice on exercise, I concur with your posts on the benefits of exercise and conditioning.

Nutrition / supplements: For the past two weeks I have been putting my Breville juicer to good use and drinking a juice mix that consists of one beet, three carrots, and one apple. This is a juice recipe I found online for erectile dysfunction; the beet juice is supposed to help with blood flow. The site I found the recipe on said to start with half a beet, because too much at once can supposedly make some people vomit due to toxins being released from the body. After a couple of days I moved up to a whole beet with no issues. As mentioned previously, three weeks into my exercise routine and two weeks into the beet juice, I am having improved erection quality and am even standing at attention when I wake up the last couple of days.
[/QUOTE]Discussing nutrition in conjunction with exercise is a good idea, and I think I've neglected to give nutrition proper coverage in my posts on the subject of exercise; the two subjects should really go hand-in-hand. I don't do anything special in that area other than try to generally stick to healthy choices, straying from that occasionally. Usually I can predict when my opportunities for sugaring travel trips are coming up, and in advance of them I modify my diet slightly (more salads, fish etc) just to drop about 5 pounds below my "comfort" weight, and I amp up the exercise routine slightly. When I do that, I get a noticeable bonus in terms of overall sexual performance, but when I'm not actively sugaring I sort of fall back to my normal comfort weight, just because I don't like the idea of living with constant restrictions. So I relax the dieting discipline a bit, but try to stay on course with exercise. That may be because I "enjoy" the exercise (endorphin high?) but don't really enjoy restricting my diet.

If, as I get older, I find that regular exercise itself isn't enough, I might need to become a bit more disciplined with regard to diet. Right now the extra 5 lbs is easy to get rid of, and doesn't noticeably alter my looks whether I carry it or shed it. Some might say 5lbs is always easy to get rid of, and that's true if you're carrying an extra 15-25lbs or so, but as you get closer to your "fighting weight" the last few pounds are normally harder to shed. However, I think ongoing exercise makes it easier to do this rapidly. A difference in sexual performance is really the main benefit of the loss of the extra 5. It also makes me feel a little younger to be as lean as I can get. Sexually it's a significant difference considering the relatively small amount of weight fluctuation involved -- amazing what removing those last few pounds are worth in bed.

Pretty much all of the food items you mentioned are a part of my regular routine, with the exception of beet juice. Maybe I'll try it now that you've mentioned it.

Hey what's up playas.

I am in Atlanta and I have been lurking for a while. I got inspired and I finally pulled the trigger on SA 5 days ago and got the premium membership. So I tried sending my allowance / date amount in the first letter or when we are chatting after the first letter. The "pros"(experience SBs or UTRs) straight up started negotiating and agreed to the acts. But when I was talking to a few of younger (18-22) chicks and talked about the allowance / date and told them that I expected "physical intimacy" it did NOT work (no M&G just over chat or txt). I scheduled M&G with one of them and when I said I'll give you gas money, she stopped replying.

I've read almost all of the FAQ's but I am still unclear on one basic concepts.

- At the M&G when you are discussing the arrangement how do you make sure they understand that they need to put out after a date, without sounding like a douche bag?

(Now I know these girls aren't prostitutes and I don't think of them as prostitutes either, I just don't know how to NOT sound like I do.).

I'd appreciate some help.

[QUOTE=Vasail;3292888]Treat a loan to your SB like a loan to a family member or friend: don't ever expect it to be repaid. Consider it as a gift. If you consider it a loan and she defaults, good luck collecting! Hopefully you have not given her your real name.

Speaking of gifts, I have yet to pay SA their membership fee because of the credit card issue and the Ashley Madison hack fear. But I am interested in trying a round of SB education to DaisyL on SA. Any members have her number that could share with me?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I had to renew today and I think I may have an interesting way to pay that offers a good cut-out. I was able to create a Paypal account linked to my hobby email and a cash card. I can send cash from my real Paypal account to the hobby Paypal account. Once I had a positive cash balance on my hobby Paypal account, I was able to use that to pay my SA renewal. It worked like a charm. Has anyone else ever tried this?

Bam.

[QUOTE=Grizzly383;3293695]Hey what's up playas.

I am in Atlanta and I have been lurking for a while. I got inspired and I finally pulled the trigger on SA 5 days ago and got the premium membership. So I tried sending my allowance / date amount in the first letter or when we are chatting after the first letter. The "pros"(experience SBs or UTRs) straight up started negotiating and agreed to the acts. But when I was talking to a few of younger (18-22) chicks and talked about the allowance / date and told them that I expected "physical intimacy" it did NOT work (no M&G just over chat or txt). I scheduled M&G with one of them and when I said I'll give you gas money, she stopped replying.

I've read almost all of the FAQ's but I am still unclear on one basic concepts.

- At the M&G when you are discussing the arrangement how do you make sure they understand that they need to put out after a date, without sounding like a douche bag?

(Now I know these girls aren't prostitutes and I don't think of them as prostitutes either, I just don't know how to NOT sound like I do.).

I'd appreciate some help.[/QUOTE]It is all in here from a lot of different perspectives. The one tip I have, never talk about sex or money until you meet. Sometimes I ask what their expectations are, but I keep my responses non-monentary all about chemestry etc.

It's full.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3294131]It is all in here from a lot of different perspectives. The one tip I have, never talk about sex or money until you meet. Sometimes I ask what their expectations are, but I keep my responses non-monentary all about chemestry etc.[/QUOTE]SA is one of those trail and error experience, M&G will lead to something or nothing but will cost you a little, like drinks or dinner and time, but don't give them cash. In term of pricing, range from 100 to 1000 or more, base on what you want. In my view the high end SA girls (18-22) slim hot college co-ed like some in this video [URL]www.girlsdoporn.com[/URL] will cost you at least 300+ and many just want (platonic friendship only is bullshit) the low end average (25+ few extra pound, curvy, old, mature average ladies) will cost you much less, there an old saying "you get what you paid for" I believe that hold true in SA world, good luck also a lots of scam as in prepaid, like need gas, food, car insurance, prove you are real, ect all BS. DO NOT PREPAID. Here a new scam sign up for Dating I'd to go on a date with her soo funny scam haha.

Ditto. Please clear.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3294173]It's full.[/QUOTE]

My experience has been different. I've found the girls that ask for the most deliver the the worst experience. If they are only in it for the biggest pay day, they are looking for a mark.

My best experiences have been with real non-pro / non-utr SB's, new to the game looking for the fantasy of an older, confident successful man that will treat them better than many of the guys their own tage. The money is a bonus, but not the entire reason they are on the site.

If you are a reasonably good looking, older, professional, gentleman with a good personality and some game, you can find some great connections at a reasonable cost.

Just my experience.

[QUOTE=Pal5600;3294301]SA is one of those trail and error experience, M&G will lead to something or nothing but will cost you a little, like drinks or dinner and time, but don't give them cash. In term of pricing, range from 100 to 1000 or more, base on what you want. In my view the high end SA girls (18-22) slim hot college co-ed like some in this video [URL]www.girlsdoporn.com[/URL] will cost you at least 300+ and many just want (platonic friendship only is bullshit) the low end average (25+ few extra pound, curvy, old, mature average ladies) will cost you much less, there an old saying "you get what you paid for" I believe that hold true in SA world, good luck also a lots of scam as in prepaid, like need gas, food, car insurance, prove you are real, ect all BS. DO NOT PREPAID. Here a new scam sign up for Dating I'd to go on a date with her soo funny scam haha.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3294661]My experience has been different. I've found the girls that ask for the most delivery the the worst experience. If they are only in it for the biggest pat day, they are looking for a mark. My best experiences have been with real SBS, new to the game looking for the fantasy of an older, confident successful man that will treat them better than many of the guys their age. The money is a bonus, but not the entire reason they are on the site.

If you are a reasonably good looking, older, professional, gentleman with a good personality and some game, you can find some great connections at a reasonable cost.

Just my experience.[/QUOTE]Ditto. I'll just add that it does take a fair amount of time to find a keeper.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3292730]Yep, tell me "invalid or token expired" or something like that. Are you using Tor?

Further, I re-requested a password reset twice now, and the emails haven't shown up, hours later.

Something is going on over there. Wonder if they were hacked.[/QUOTE]It wasn't a hack. Their content network (Cloud Flare) had a nasty bug that was exposing the contents of encrypted communications such as logins. SA likely just did a global password reset out of an abundance of caution.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3294661]My experience has been different. I've found the girls that ask for the most deliver the the worst experience. If they are only in it for the biggest pay day, they are looking for a mark.

My best experiences have been with real non-pro / non-utr SB's, new to the game looking for the fantasy of an older, confident successful man that will treat them better than many of the guys their own tage. The money is a bonus, but not the entire reason they are on the site.

If you are a reasonably good looking, older, professional, gentleman with a good personality and some game, you can find some great connections at a reasonable cost.

Just my experience.[/QUOTE]I think is extremely rare to find a hot college age girls want to have sex with a 40's, 50's or older guys just for the experience. I could happen but I have a better chance of winning the lotto. 99.999% of the SA girls there for the money, if college girls want sex they can just go to college bar and pick up a guy, if they want money they sign on to SA. What funny is that they always claim looking for friendship, wisdom, mentor ect (would going to church a better option) but don't said they are there for the money LOL.

Have you ever seen a hot girl with someone you didn't think was good enough for them? . as in a bull dyke lesbian, feminine artistic type guy, thug type, or just a really big guy?

I think maybe 1% of girls have a genuine attraction to older, confident, successful men (especially 40's or 50's still in good shape). I'm not saying money isn't in the equation. It's part of the attraction. Many of these women are drawn to a site like SA, so it may be 20% of the women on SA.

I have had 5 women between 20 and 30 years younger than me that wanted to have a real relationship with no allowance. Three were off SA and 2 were dancers. Sure, they expected to be wined and dined and taken on trips, but no expectation of an allowance. The 3 SBs off SA started with an allowance, but evolved into girlfriends and the two dancers never were on an allowance.

I'm not trying to brag, but I'm just saying it isn't as rare as you may think. Many younger women have been treated very bad by younger men and just want to be treated well and taken care of. I also know how to have sex much better than I did when I was half my age. I also am not the commitment type and tell them that from the beginning. I think they take it like a challenge similar to "converting" a gay man.

I bet there are other men on this board with similar experiences.

[QUOTE=Pal5600;3294929]I think is extremely rare to find a hot college age girls want to have sex with a 40's, 50's or older guys just for the experience. I could happen but I have a better chance of winning the lotto. 99.999% of the SA girls there for the money, if college girls want sex they can just go to college bar and pick up a guy, if they want money they sign on to SA. What funny is that they always claim looking for friendship, wisdom, mentor ect (would going to church a better option) but don't said they are there for the money LOL.[/QUOTE]

Hello to all.

I have had one to many bad experiences dealing with BP girl so I have decided to try the sb route. I am looking for any and all advice that you guys are willing to share with me. I'm going to open a account on sa and go from there. So if you want you can pm me or post in open forum anything you think would help me. And yes I know rtff. I'm in the process of doing that now it's just that it's a lot to read. So if anyone would like to school me on the finer points of the sb world I would greatly appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Overthehill75;3295111]Hello to all.

I have had one to many bad experiences dealing with BP girl so I have decided to try the sb route. I am looking for any and all advice that you guys are willing to share with me. I'm going to open a account on sa and go from there. So if you want you can pm me or post in open forum anything you think would help me. And yes I know rtff. I'm in the process of doing that now it's just that it's a lot to read. So if anyone would like to school me on the finer points of the sb world I would greatly appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Your right its alot of reading and research. Several different views that works. The best advice is join and give it a shot and figure what works for you. Depending on what your looking for the path can be easy to very difficult. You can find the pros, utr, to girls who are actually looking for a relationship. Work on your profile, don't be an ass, and you should be fine. Remember most are here for financial help, that is driving factor for most. They can get fucked by anyone they choose for free. Good luck and have fun.

Check out the index for this thread. It helps guide you to useful posts.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=Overthehill75;3295111]Hello to all.

I have had one to many bad experiences dealing with BP girl so I have decided to try the sb route. I am looking for any and all advice that you guys are willing to share with me. I'm going to open a account on sa and go from there. So if you want you can pm me or post in open forum anything you think would help me. And yes I know rtff. I'm in the process of doing that now it's just that it's a lot to read. So if anyone would like to school me on the finer points of the sb world I would greatly appreciate it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3295047]Have you ever seen a hot girl with someone you didn't think was good enough for them? . as in a bull dyke lesbian, feminine artistic type guy, thug type, or just a really big guy?

I think maybe 1% of girls have a genuine attraction to older, confident, successful men (especially 40's or 50's still in good shape). I'm not saying money isn't in the equation. It's part of the attraction. Many of these women are drawn to a site like SA, so it may be 20% of the women on SA.

I have had 5 women between 20 and 30 years younger than me that wanted to have a real relationship with no allowance. Three were off SA and 2 were dancers. Sure, they expected to be wined and dined and taken on trips, but no expectation of an allowance. The 3 SBs off SA started with an allowance, but evolved into girlfriends and the two dancers never were on an allowance.

I'm not trying to brag, but I'm just saying it isn't as rare as you may think. Many younger women have been treated very bad by younger men and just want to be treated well and taken care of. I also know how to have sex much better than I did when I was half my age. I also am not the commitment type and tell them that from the beginning. I think they take it like a challenge similar to "converting" a gay man.

I bet there are other men on this board with similar experiences.[/QUOTE]This has been my experience as well. You have to sort through all of the gold diggers and BP girls, but there are many young women who prefer older men on and off SA. It takes a great deal of time, but I've managed to win the MegaMillions more than a few times.

This is why I always ask early on in our conversation if they are attracted to older men, and have they dated (not as a SB) an older man previously.

[QUOTE=Grizzly383;3293695]
At the M&G when you are discussing the arrangement how do you make sure they understand that they need to put out after a date, without sounding like a douche bag?
(Now I know these girls aren't prostitutes and I don't think of them as prostitutes either, I just don't know how to NOT sound like I do.).
I'd appreciate some help.[/QUOTE]My methods seem to differ from most others here, but I don't discuss the arrangement, even at the M&G. I concentrate on making the date enjoyable, and let the rest fall into place. I would be at a disadvantage if I tried to do it all over the Internet based only on photos and texting. To come out ahead (unintentional pun), I need the opportunity to run my game in person, so my goal becomes to not spend too much time with online interaction with the girl aside from making sure she's a good candidate, and prioritizing the POTS in a given city I'm traveling to.

If I started discussing arrangement details over dinner, I would be countering my own strategy of making the date enjoyable. If my goal is to "win" by showing them a good time, is a dinner date that involves negotiation a good time? I don't think so, I think it turns pleasure into business. Negotiating over dinner is something that divorcing spouses do as they discuss how to divide up assets. That's not a fun date to me, and I've never met one of these girls that enjoyed discussing money. There are too many opportunities for that sort of conversation to go wrong and screw up the date. We see that reflected in posts here in this thread all the time.

So to answer your question about making sure they understand sex is expected, well two things. First, they already know this even if they pretend not to. Second, I don't go to an M&G with my own predetermined commitment to fucking anyone (I might not even like her / she may not look like her pics), so why would I expect her to commit to something like that with me? Women have good radar for that sort of thing. The only type of girl who is going to be okay with committing to sex before she's spent some time with you is a pro. So basically my strategy is to not ask her to commit to sex. The more pressure she feels, the less she will genuinely want to. Focus your efforts on making her comfortable with you and with the idea of spending time with you in general, and she is much more likely to genuinely want to fuck. When successful at this, you literally cannot go wrong with your gift amount (in fact you'll find some of them refusing to take it).

Expect it to not always work. I've had exactly two failed M&Gs. One was a girl that looked good in pics but was below my standard in person (was very glad I didn't agree to something in advance). The other I believe came to the M&G with the intention of striking up a deal, and when she saw that wasn't going to happen she decided to bail and "reschedule" for the next day, and during that process tried to pull me into the act of negotiating over texts (she didn't know how to handle that situation in person, so tried to do it from behind a keyboard). Wasn't about to play her game. So, game and charisma wasn't enough that night. Found out later she was in a serious relationship with another girl anyway, and not a particularly good match for my needs anyway. I'm sure if I was into full-time sugar daddying I would run into more failed examples, but overall my success rate is extremely satisfying, and I attribute that to careful sorting of POTS before the meet, and discarding the ones that don't feel right.

Reposting from bmore thread. Sorry if was already posted. Havnt been reading the thread these days, but thought this was important enough to post.

[URL]http://predatoralerts.com[/URL]

It's a website listing all you SDs with profile pics. Still using your real picture? Might want to rethink that fellas. Repost to your local pages to help wake some of these guys up.

As for the guy who posted his drivers license pic to his Sa profile, all I got to say is well done! I can only assume he did that to avoid paying the fee to become verified. Nothing screams big spender more than a move like that!

And as for the dic pics, and pics of cash. Really guys? That's a pretty classy move...

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3295889]Reposting from bmore thread. Sorry if was already posted. Havnt been reading the thread these days, but thought this was important enough to post.

[URL]http://predatoralerts.com[/URL]

It's a website listing all you SDs with profile pics. Still using your real picture? Might want to rethink that fellas. Repost to your local pages to help wake some of these guys up.

As for the guy who posted his drivers license pic to his Sa profile, all I got to say is well done! I can only assume he did that to avoid paying the fee to become verified. Nothing screams big spender more than a move like that!

And as for the dic pics, and pics of cash. Really guys? That's a pretty classy move...[/QUOTE]How did you actually determine this is from SA? This is a rip off site that makes money from the guys that are willing to pay to have it removed. This is more from CL or other various lower sex sites. I've read where some girls on BP threaten to post to sites like this. Most of those guys don't really look like they would give a shit about being posted LOL. Remember its the old interweb and if your stupid or proud enough to post dic pics then just own it. Just another example of men stupidity. The little head has not much brain capacity.

I was just lurking on this Richmond board, I am from Chicago considering trying the local SA scene, heard this was the board to start with, but wanted to mention a couple tips about smoothies, getign older and ED.

I will be 50 this year, and had ED for almost a year. Turns out it was due to a internal hemhorrhoid. Quick procedure to get it banded and it was like I was a young man again. If you sit a lot for your job like I do, it can happen, although I think this internal one was due to this one asian that gave me an unexpected prostate rub on the flip at a local AMP. Doh! Careful of those lee press on nails boys! :

As to the fitness side, I have been doing more exercise, and have been doing daily green kale smoothies in the Vitamix, and this has improve my fitness level a lot, and probably helped keep me younger in bed. Haven't tried using the beets I the smoothie yet, I will give that a try, in moderation. Beets have a lot of sugar, and I generally avoid adding too much fruit to my smoothies because anything with too much sugar (even if it's natural sugar) will effectively counteract your attempts to lose weight. When you blend in a Vitamix, you bust open all those plant cell walls and release all the goodness, but you also release all the sugar and starch, and starch rapidly converts to sugar. I stopped blending with carrots for that reason. And my friend started looking like he was spray tanned when he did 3 a day carrot smoothies. Hilarious. I usually just use kale, a couple limes, celery, some frozen berries, and occasionally an apple. I wanted to mention the celery in particular, because this has had a strange, and not unwelcome effect of increasing my ejaculate volume. By a lot. I'm still not in the Peter North range, but it's an interesting side benefit. It could be a combination of things, but the celery appears to be one big factor, thought I would mention it.

Good luck and keep up with the health program.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3293096]Discussing nutrition in conjunction with exercise is a good idea, and I think I've neglected to give nutrition proper coverage in my posts on the subject of exercise; the two subjects should really go hand-in-hand. I don't do anything special in that area other than try to generally stick to healthy choices, straying from that occasionally. Usually I can predict when my opportunities for sugaring travel trips are coming up, and in advance of them I modify my diet slightly (more salads, fish etc) just to drop about 5 pounds below my "comfort" weight, and I amp up the exercise routine slightly. When I do that, I get a noticeable bonus in terms of overall sexual performance, but when I'm not actively sugaring I sort of fall back to my normal comfort weight, just because I don't like the idea of living with constant restrictions. So I relax the dieting discipline a bit, but try to stay on course with exercise. That may be because I "enjoy" the exercise (endorphin high?) but don't really enjoy restricting my diet.

If, as I get older, I find that regular exercise itself isn't enough, I might need to become a bit more disciplined with regard to diet. Right now the extra 5 lbs is easy to get rid of, and doesn't noticeably alter my looks whether I carry it or shed it. Some might say 5lbs is always easy to get rid of, and that's true if you're carrying an extra 15-25lbs or so, but as you get closer to your "fighting weight" the last few pounds are normally harder to shed. However, I think ongoing exercise makes it easier to do this rapidly. A difference in sexual performance is really the main benefit of the loss of the extra 5. It also makes me feel a little younger to be as lean as I can get. Sexually it's a significant difference considering the relatively small amount of weight fluctuation involved -- amazing what removing those last few pounds are worth in bed.

Pretty much all of the food items you mentioned are a part of my regular routine, with the exception of beet juice. Maybe I'll try it now that you've mentioned it.[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen this topic much covered, w / the exception of one SD who reports that he has a phone pic of every SB's pussy he has ever poked, while he is poking it. I've got an archive file of every woman I've ever nailed (that I can recall), name and photo. Likewise, I kept essentially everything in the way of communications, photos, PDFs of profiles, etc., of my bowl activities since I began on SA last May. You never know when something like that might come in handy, to defend yourself against a nutbar who gets desperate or refresh your memory of someone who has crossed your path before. For security, all of this material is one one USB drive, password protected. These are amazingly small now, so they are easy to tuck away somewhere the SO won't notice them (or throw them in w / the ten others I've got, hiding in plain sight, a tactic I love). I prefer using the USB instead of the hard drive of my computer, b/c while you can erase, and securely erase, I've never been 100% sure that those things are really gone, and someone w/ some software, knowledge, and persistence might be able to resurrect it. If it became essential to destroy evidence, a hammer or a flush down the toilet would take care of things on the USB.

Do most have similar archives to keep you warm when you are old?

I posted on the Baltimore site. My SA profile pic (mongering pic that was shopped a little), monger name and one of my monger numbers is on that site. So it had to be through either a scam SA account or some pissed off SA girl that didn't like what I was offering. Think it's the first, only had one get nasty with me on there.

That site doesn't even have a place to pay to remove the listing either, so they are really just trying to be jerks. Anyone can post an alert anonymously and they are hiding behind that aspect of it.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3295971]How did you actually determine this is from SA? This is a rip off site that makes money from the guys that are willing to pay to have it removed. This is more from CL or other various lower sex sites. I've read where some girls on BP threaten to post to sites like this. Most of those guys don't really look like they would give a shit about being posted LOL. Remember its the old interweb and if your stupid or proud enough to post dic pics then just own it. Just another example of men stupidity. The little head has not much brain capacity.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SurfingforFun;3296718]I posted on the Baltimore site. My SA profile pic (mongering pic that was shopped a little), monger name and one of my monger numbers is on that site. So it had to be through either a scam SA account or some pissed off SA girl that didn't like what I was offering. Think it's the first, only had one get nasty with me on there. That site doesn't even have a place to pay to remove the listing either, so they are really just trying to be jerks. Anyone can post an alert anonymously and they are hiding behind that aspect of it.[/QUOTE]Members of this forum should report these sites as revenge porn sites. Revenge porn law varies by state, the definition of it and whether its a felony or misdemeanor varies (and in some cases is still in flux).

That said, assuming the info for each guy is correct, some of them must be very careless with their identity. The pics I put on SA are nothing anyone could identify me by. I only send "identifiable" pics to selected girls that I contact. None of these girls has ever known my real name, or non-burner phone number or non-burner e-mail.

Lots has been written in this thread about anonymity. Then again in an increasingly digital world, I'm finding more and more people don't give a fuck about being outed for things like this. It's amazing what some people do on FB under their real identity. I've seen girls openly talk about their SDs, even admitting to having a "daddy kink" (I. E. Role playing she's getting fucked by daddy) on the same FB feed their friends and family read. I think the millennial mindset is that if you keep your dirty laundry hanging out the window it makes you immune to being shamed for it?

Then again some of us have SOs and / or career reputations we've work for, so, there is that.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3296821]Members of this forum should report these sites as revenge porn sites. Revenge porn law varies by state, the definition of it and whether its a felony or misdemeanor varies (and in some cases is still in flux).

That said, assuming the info for each guy is correct, some of them must be very careless with their identity. The pics I put on SA are nothing anyone could identify me by. I only send "identifiable" pics to selected girls that I contact. None of these girls has ever known my real name, or non-burner phone number or non-burner e-mail.

Lots has been written in this thread about anonymity. Then again in an increasingly digital world, I'm finding more and more people don't give a fuck about being outed for things like this. It's amazing what some people do on FB under their real identity. I've seen girls openly talk about their SDs, even admitting to having a "daddy kink" (I. E. Role playing she's getting fucked by daddy) on the same FB feed their friends and family read. I think the millennial mindset is that if you keep your dirty laundry hanging out the window it makes you immune to being shamed for it?

Then again some of us have SOs and / or career reputations we've work for, so, there is that.[/QUOTE]As usual, you are right on the money, JL. I have wondered about one thing, though. I would prefer not to email a real photo to a POT, as I have thought it more likely she would retain it. I'd rather put my photo on SA, give her access to it, and then once she has seen it either delete it or remove her access. There's nothing to prevent her from downloading it while she has access, but this is an extra step many may not do. Do others see this differently, from the security perspective? I also tend to not leave real photos on SA for long. You can always upload them again when needed, and if there is nothing there to hack in case SA gets hacked, you are all to the good.

I totally agree about SBs not knowing anything other than my burner info; it is amazing the tools you can use to find out about babies, and some of them are smart enough to turn the tables on us. I have one who mentioned she used to sell real estate. I was also able to get her real name from searching her voice phone # and hitting her Instagram page, and then searched the licensed realtors. Bang, her home address where she lives w / her hubby. This should keep me safe and warm should she ever threaten.

Yeah, I have my monger info on pretty good lockdown. Also very cryptic with job description and all once we start to talk.

I will be much stingier with photos, glad none got attached to that site other than profile pic which doesn't show a lot.

It is surprising about the weak OPSEC some of these girls have. Numbers going right to Facebook or emails that give away much of their name that then goes for FB and other places. One recent meetup with a SB gave me enough info to find her FB with minimal google-fu. Not that I want to stalk, but more to certify that they are who they say they are and to see how many red flags might be on their social media. MD has a decent criminal record website that is by the state and I've seen some useful intel on there too.

Looking through the predator website, I'm glad I didn't put any more pics on my profile. I bet they would have been included on my listing there. Oh well, most of the ones I've met with that number have been dtf, so not like they don't know what it says already! If and when I decide to get back on SA for some more fun, I'll just switch some things up including the number I use.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3296842]As usual, you are right on the money, JL. I have wondered about one thing, though. I would prefer not to email a real photo to a POT, as I have thought it more likely she would retain it. I'd rather put my photo on SA, give her access to it, and then once she has seen it either delete it or remove her access. There's nothing to prevent her from downloading it while she has access, but this is an extra step many may not do. Do others see this differently, from the security perspective? I also tend to not leave real photos on SA for long. You can always upload them again when needed, and if there is nothing there to hack in case SA gets hacked, you are all to the good.

I totally agree about SBs not knowing anything other than my burner info; it is amazing the tools you can use to find out about babies, and some of them are smart enough to turn the tables on us. I have one who mentioned she used to sell real estate. I was also able to get her real name from searching her voice phone # and hitting her Instagram page, and then searched the licensed realtors. Bang, her home address where she lives w / her hubby. This should keep me safe and warm should she ever threaten.[/QUOTE]

So I haven't logged into SA for a while and today when I tried to log in it told me I had to change my password due to security updates. Is anyone else getting this? Could they have been hacked?

[QUOTE=Ltnric;3297108]So I haven't logged into SA for a while and today when I tried to log in it told me I had to change my password due to security updates. Is anyone else getting this? Could they have been hacked?[/QUOTE]I had to do that too. Didn't think about the hacking question. I haven't been there long. Assumed they want you to do that every month or so, but I could be wrong.

When a POT says she is open for anything, how do I interpret? I know she is not UTR, and verified on social.

[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3298453]When a POT says she is open for anything, how do I interpret? I know she is not UTR, and verified on social.[/QUOTE]I would interpret that as: "I'd rather you lead this aspect of the discussion, because I'm not comfortable taking the lead".

Very common. Ask most women of typical SB age what they want (either at that point in time, or out of life overall, etc.) and they'll usually say "I don't know". Or, if they do commit to some idea for a moment in time, they will change their mind and say something completely contradictory 5 minutes later.

In other words I wouldn't assume "open to anything" means anything in the sense that you might hope it means.

In my 18 months in the bowl I have to say today's revelation was one for the ages. My very first SB in the FC was a bit unusual in that she was 5 hours away. She was a good looking 19 yr old in Athens GA (not a UGA student) but favorited me knowing I lived in NC. Normally I would never travel 5 hours but having lived in Atlanta for many years I decided to make it happen. I rode my Harley down to GA and then the next day took her for an afternoon m / c ride along with swimming in a secluded lake quasi skinny dipping. We came back to the motel and to make a long story short she stayed overnight. For my first bowl appearance I thought I hit the jack pot. We set up another visit a few weeks later but after I got down to Athens everything fell apart. I believed her story (struggling with addiction issues, depression, etc) at the time but now that I know all SBs lie I am not so sure. She subsequently went dark on me probably bc I tried too hard to keep it going but every so often I would look in on her FB page.

Now lets fast forward to present day. For the past 2 weeks I have been messaging with an attractive 22 yr old POT who moved to Raleigh from Atlanta six months ago. On her FB page there are several posts last year about her brother who looks like a clean cut kid but has been struggling with addiction issues. Today I look at her page again and see in the friend headline box is the Athens girl. My first SB! Wait there's more!! I click on the Athen's girls page and this past January there is a photo post of her getting engaged to the the Raleigh's girl's brother!! Unbelievable. So the question is if I get something going with the Raleigh POT do I ever tell her who my first SB was? The answer of course is no.

For the brothers who have followed my story line of the Asian mix girl (Thai / Japanese / White) the end of the arrangement occurred 4 weeks ago when she tried to bump me up from 200 to 300 pv. I wasn't going for it, even with her getting her own apt which would have saved me hotel expense.

But it looks like I will need advice once again regarding my new # 1. The profile is a 27 yo single parent who will be able to host in a few weeks when she moves into her own apt. We have only been in the FC once but it was a 3 hour f..k fest. She is up for anything and everything including threesomes. And she seemed like a real no drama level-headed woman. That is until I did my research which took took a real turn tonight when I was able to find out her maiden name. Turns out she is 37 and just got out of a 18 month prison stint for embezzling $ 275,000 from her former employer. The rest of her family is highly educated and successful but she is obviously the black sheep. We are scheduled for another hotel date this Thursday. I am inclined to play the string out, at least until after we switch over to the "incalls" at her apt. I have a policy of never telling the SB what I know about them from my research but I am inclined to do it different with this one. One way is to get a mutual confession about our ages (since I also have posted a very similar fictitious age on my SA page). If she fesses up to the age fib then I could ask her is there anything else she wants to get out on the table. BTW she has only been on the SA site for 3 weeks and has not been on it since our M & G (our first FC was a week later). Now before you all say run, run, run as fast as I can. I am wondering since she is on probation (no doubt) that she would not think of pulling some stunt (extortion, etc) that could put the orange suit back on her. If she knows that I know the whole story (hard to hide these days from the internet) and willing to stick by her as a weekly SD if she will be more appreciative, controllable, loyal, etc. Thoughts my brothers?

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3298822]For the brothers who have followed my story line of the Asian mix girl (Thai / Japanese / White) the end of the arrangement occurred 4 weeks ago when she tried to bump me up from 200 to 300 pv. I wasn't going for it, even with her getting her own apt which would have saved me hotel expense.

But it looks like I will need advice once again regarding my new # 1. she is 37 and just got out of a 18 month prison stint for embezzling $ 275,000 from her former employer. ?[/QUOTE]Two things 1) how much were you paying for a Hotel? Is it narrow minded thinking to not agree to pay the Asian what you would have paid anyway? Of course if there were other reasons to dump her that would make it different.

2) Mistakes happen. Since the new SB was a great performer it might make sense to give her a chance. Any SB can become a blackmailer, not just ex cons.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3299436]Two things 1) how much were you paying for a Hotel? Is it narrow minded thinking to not agree to pay the Asian what you would have paid anyway? Of course if there were other reasons to dump her that would make it different.

2) Mistakes happen. Since the new SB was a great performer it might make sense to give her a chance. Any SB can become a blackmailer, not just ex cons.[/QUOTE]Thanks Fred. Much appreciated. As far as the Asian mix, it wasn't just the bump up to 300 (she was a month away from moving into an apartment) it was that IMO she went bi-polar on me with her texts. Also was the typical 21 yo. Late, changing date times, etc etc.

Me: (My first letter, I didn't ask for rate or anything in this.).

Her: That sounds good. My rate is $$ pv. But we can meet and see if we have chemistry. (woop we got a pro here folks).

Me: So I don't do anything more than $$. 5. If you are still interested lets meet to see if we have chemistry.

Her: (suggested a place and time).

Me: that sounds good!

Her: I do ask to be compensated for my time (Smh).

Me: I usually compensate of the gas which 20 -30.

Her: I have always gotten minimum of $. (In my head I am like I have done a lot more for $. 5 LOL).

Me: Sorry to offend you but I can't do that. Best of luck.

(profile blocked).

I just want to say thank you to all you guys. Without this forum I would have gladly paid the $ just to have a coffee with her. Any comments on how I handled this, I am newbie for I'd appreciate it.

Also is SD4 M worth paying? Are the profiles real or fake? I am in ATL.

This was from a recent interaction. I was not too attracted to the SB, as she was a 6 at best, so I played along to see where it went.

SB: Request to view your private photos.

SB: Hey there, check out my profile & let me know if we can meet can be a match?

SDX: I've just given you access to my private photos, go to my profile to view them.

SDX: Sure, are you able to meet this weekend?

SB: Yes, do you think you can meet my lifestyle budget?!

SB: 3,000-4,500 k monthly.

SDX: That equates to 36,000-54,000 per year, and I have no clue what exactly you are offering. I think I will pass and wish you good luck in your search.

SB: I'm offering to be your sugar baby! Do as you please when you please. I'm here to make your life easier, uplift & motivate you to be a better man. But good luck to you if you find anybody who will accept anything lower than $3000! I'm a woman of quality before anything so no good luck to you! Maybe you need to get on match.com where you don't need to make a arrangement we all know what this SA website is about. Dating guys who has big bucks $.

This was pretty funny. This SB thinks she deserves a sum of money greater than the average American worker brings home after taxes for just going on dates. There was no hint at all in her messages or profile that she was willing to be intimate. When they hit me with outrageous allowances, I put it in annual terms so hopefully they see how out of touch they are. Pretty funny that she thinks I can't find anyone willing to do less than 3 k per month. All of my arrangements were way below that, and most of my SB's were better looking!

SDX.

I found the Facebook page for a 23 yo that I am messaging. She seems very nice so far but her FB opening quote is "All men are scum except my BF. ".

I guess I don't need to charm her none to go out with her since I am already scum from the start!

Recently been talking to Southernclass65. She brings up price first by stating she has a $$ minimum. I explain $$ is my limit (and she expects you to provide Room.) She sticks with her price telling me "my pussy is worth more than that. " Well, at least she was good for a quick laugh. I had another SB lined up as backup anyway so I'll let you guys decide if her pussy is truly golden.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ec144717-6478-f0f4-37cd-414f37a8d93a[/URL]

[QUOTE=Grizzly383;3301392]Also is SD4M worth paying? Are the profiles real or fake? I am in ATL.[/QUOTE]I did a paid membership on SD4 M during the month of November 2016 and found it not to be worth it. Alot of the profiles were fake. Here is the summary I wrote up:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=3174163&viewfull=1#post3174163.[/URL]