Escort Reports

[QUOTE=BigMack;1341488]You have been around as long as I have or close to it and we both know there are ladies who advertise high dollar but in private come down because they know they are overpriced, or father time has caught up with them and it is thank God for makeup. They also tell you not to tell anyone either because they don't want other women who won't come down to give them a raft of grief for undercutting them. If most ladies met their own needs and there are many who do, then no one should have an issue with free market but when a select few try to keep the market value inflated for the benefit of a few, then sorry but that is not supply and demand or free market. Speaking of free market the option of negotiating should be available as long as done nicely and in a number of cases. Do men have a right to say NO, definitely but the rumors fly if he does. Again it is all about who controls the dollars, that would be the men. It is not only about who gives better service although that is a big consideration but it is who gives the best service for how much. There are about a dozen or more ladies on this board alone who can and will rock your socks at 150 to 2 and at least three for less. They don't have web sites or photo shoots, or tell you they were in Playboy or Hustler or are or were models. Don't need to because they give top service for a reasonable need in this econonmy. They also don't have 4 to 8 kids they have to support as single parents which is not the clients problem. And if they could do something else they would be by now. When I first started in this almost 20 years ago, there were damned few ladies in this over thirty. Now there are a ton of ladies over 40 in this at least 4 very well known in the circle city alone. Age doesn't effect their quality but for the four I am thinking of if they are that high end for that long don't you think they would have been out of this a long time ago? I know this is a much discussed situation but considering it is in the long run SERVICE vs DONATION who controls the game? The little head or the wallet? I have mine two of them and they are awesome but they are also highly skilled and don't command your bank account to play. EVERYONE have a good holiday season and enjoy this venue It can be fun and very rewarding but as a very well known male I know who is still around used to say when I started RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH.[/QUOTE]I've seen at least a couple of the high end ladies your probably talking about, and I personally find that they bring so much more to the table than other ladies. Maybe it's just my bad luck, but every time I've seen a lady that advertises 2 or less the experience has always been so so. Its always a problem scheduling a date and time. They never seem to be on time. One hour turns into 20 minuites. The hotel room smells of smoke. They tend to speed up the service instead of taking their time and letting it last longer. And I spend the entire time hearing about all the problems going on in their life.

There was a lady in the Cincinnati area that I had met a couple times and the first two visits went great. She was a sweet lady that advertised around 1 to 1. 4 pretty regularly. On visit 3, she had a friend show up and had to cancel after I made a 30 minute drive. Sent me a text and wouldn't answer the phone when I tried to call and see if we could meet later. Next time the fire alarm went off and she had to cancel because she was spoked. The fifth time I showed up at the hotel and after 45 minutes of trying to call and text her I went home. She said she forgot, but I confirmed 4 hours before. The sixth time I make the 30 minute drive and when I arrive I got a text saying she was running 1 hour behind. Thats when I finally came to my senses and said the heck with seeing her.

With some of the high end ladies I've seen the experience for me has been 10 times better. I always feel like I'm treated like a king. They treat me like a close friend and really seem to care about making me happy. I'm never rushed and always leave feeling like a million dollars. To me they just seem like sweet caring ladies that really love what they do and they bring so much more passion. Heck, one of these sweet ladies even has me stick around once and a while so she can fix me a meal.

I look at it like this. Two brothers go out and buy a new car. One buys a Chevy and the other buys a Lexus. Now the one that bought the Chevy could say there is no difference. Both vehicles get you from point A to point B. They both run on gas and both came with a good warranty. But the brother that bought the Lexus might just like a more luxurious and refined vehicle. Every one has different tastes and reasons for seeing these wonderful woman. I realize that times are tough, but the best things in life always cost a little more. You wouldn't expect to get a filet mignon for the same price as a chopped steak.

I guess I don't think its fair to post a lot of negatives about about these high end ladies because some of them are truly sweethearts. And the ones I've seen have a body to die for. Just my 2 cents.

Larry, thank you for making so many eloquent and respectfully made points. You definitely made a lot of sense to me however a few things need to be considered.

First not all high end providers make you feel like a million bucks. I remember reading reviews about a provider who charged 300. Though she was very good looking she had all these rules and had issues about having her bodyguard around, etc. Needless to say she does not seem to be all the popular anymore.

Also I have had some Mercedes so to speak for less than half of what some these high end providers. But yes, I have to weed through a bit of crap to find them and yes, sometimes some of them are not always so reliable. As many on this board know I really hate no shows. I can't believe you tried six times with the escorts who canceled on you so many times. She must have made quite a first impression.

But the real question isn't whether one should ever partake in high end providers. Heaven's yes, I'd love to partake in high end providers as more often than not the service quality is more than those who charge lower prices.

Again, the real question shouldn't be whether but how much is too much to pay. I know a lot of this depends on ones finances but I actually believe in such things as fair prices. And when Abbey went from 3 to 4 hundred it incensed me a bit. I don't believe in escorts trying to get as much money as possible and I don't believe in Johns trying to pay as little as possible. I'm sure there are members on this board that would give someone crap for talking a girl down to 5 bucks. Doesn't seem fair, nor does 300.

That issue aside is it really worth making yourself poor to see a high end provider? Unless it's a once in a blue moon treat you either will put yourself in financial jeopardy or you're really well off and you can afford to throw around some fuck you money.

Also if everyone thought this way we'd end up paying every cent we had trying to get the highest end escort we could afford thereby continually driving the price up. This in my opinion is where the realm of addiction comes in.

As I suggested in my comments on naughtyreview about some men in relation to their high end providers can be overly grateful to receive sexual attention and lose their balance when it comes to the financial aspects to seeing an escort. In S and M they have a term for this. It's called financial submission.

One more factor to note. I do think high end providers often tend to be better looking and if they are charging as much as they are there is a good chance they have a sense of entitlement which if one is perceptive can recognize hence cutting into the quality of the experience.

Long story short your response has convinced me to be open to seeing some higher end providers within reason (I. E. $250-$300) but I'm going to be very selective and it will be few and far between.

[QUOTE=Larry Reiff; 1343201]I've seen at least a couple of the high end ladies your probably talking about, and I personally find that they bring so much more to the table than other ladies. Maybe it's just my bad luck, but every time I've seen a lady that advertises 2 or less the experience has always been so so. Its always a problem scheduling a date and time. They never seem to be on time. One hour turns into 20 minuites. The hotel room smells of smoke. They tend to speed up the service instead of taking their time and letting it last longer. And I spend the entire time hearing about all the problems going on in their life.

There was a lady in the Cincinnati area that I had met a couple times and the first two visits went great. She was a sweet lady that advertised around 1 to 1. 4 pretty regularly. On visit 3, she had a friend show up and had to cancel after I made a 30 minute drive. Sent me a text and wouldn't answer the phone when I tried to call and see if we could meet later. Next time the fire alarm went off and she had to cancel because she was spoked. The fifth time I showed up at the hotel and after 45 minutes of trying to call and text her I went home. She said she forgot, but I confirmed 4 hours before. The sixth time I make the 30 minute drive and when I arrive I got a text saying she was running 1 hour behind. Thats when I finally came to my senses and said the heck with seeing her.

With some of the high end ladies I've seen the experience for me has been 10 times better. I always feel like I'm treated like a king. They treat me like a close friend and really seem to care about making me happy. I'm never rushed and always leave feeling like a million dollars. To me they just seem like sweet caring ladies that really love what they do and they bring so much more passion. Heck, one of these sweet ladies even has me stick around once and a while so she can fix me a meal.

I look at it like this. Two brothers go out and buy a new car. One buys a Chevy and the other buys a Lexus. Now the one that bought the Chevy could say there is no difference. Both vehicles get you from point A to point B. They both run on gas and both came with a good warranty. But the brother that bought the Lexus might just like a more luxurious and refined vehicle. Every one has different tastes and reasons for seeing these wonderful woman. I realize that times are tough, but the best things in life always cost a little more. You wouldn't expect to get a filet mignon for the same price as a chopped steak.

I guess I don't think its fair to post a lot of negatives about about these high end ladies because some of them are truly sweethearts. And the ones I've seen have a body to die for. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Larry Reiff; 1343201]I've seen at least a couple of the high end ladies your probably talking about, and I personally find that they bring so much more to the table than other ladies. Maybe it's just my bad luck, but every time I've seen a lady that advertises 2 or less the experience has always been so so. Its always a problem scheduling a date and time. They never seem to be on time. One hour turns into 20 minuites. The hotel room smells of smoke. They tend to speed up the service instead of taking their time and letting it last longer. And I spend the entire time hearing about all the problems going on in their life.

There was a lady in the Cincinnati area that I had met a couple times and the first two visits went great. She was a sweet lady that advertised around 1 to 1. 4 pretty regularly. On visit 3, she had a friend show up and had to cancel after I made a 30 minute drive. Sent me a text and wouldn't answer the phone when I tried to call and see if we could meet later. Next time the fire alarm went off and she had to cancel because she was spoked. The fifth time I showed up at the hotel and after 45 minutes of trying to call and text her I went home. She said she forgot, but I confirmed 4 hours before. The sixth time I make the 30 minute drive and when I arrive I got a text saying she was running 1 hour behind. Thats when I finally came to my senses and said the heck with seeing her.

With some of the high end ladies I've seen the experience for me has been 10 times better. I always feel like I'm treated like a king. They treat me like a close friend and really seem to care about making me happy. I'm never rushed and always leave feeling like a million dollars. To me they just seem like sweet caring ladies that really love what they do and they bring so much more passion. Heck, one of these sweet ladies even has me stick around once and a while so she can fix me a meal.

I look at it like this. Two brothers go out and buy a new car. One buys a Chevy and the other buys a Lexus. Now the one that bought the Chevy could say there is no difference. Both vehicles get you from point A to point B. They both run on gas and both came with a good warranty. But the brother that bought the Lexus might just like a more luxurious and refined vehicle. Every one has different tastes and reasons for seeing these wonderful woman. I realize that times are tough, but the best things in life always cost a little more. You wouldn't expect to get a filet mignon for the same price as a chopped steak.

I guess I don't think its fair to post a lot of negatives about about these high end ladies because some of them are truly sweethearts. And the ones I've seen have a body to die for. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. I will never pay less than 200 or more than 450. Thats just how I roll. If we ever reach a time where the high end girls go 600 and the low end girls go 150. Fuck it I'll just find something worthwhile on the side for free. Until prices re-adjust. This may seem silly, but this is the Osirusss Hobby Framework, and I stick to it. I have read the word "Capitalism" stated here and to be honest this hobby is one of very few business transactions done in the USA that the government doesn't have any direct control over. Thats why I love this hobby soo much. Capitalism in its purest form. I almost get the same pleasure out of screwing the Gov. Out of tax revenue than the act of seeing a high end Provider at 400 per hr. Almost.

[QUOTE=Luchi;1343115]As for me I'm so thankful I thought with my big head and not the little else I'd be paying 400 dollars a hour, and not even my lawyer makes that kind of money.[/QUOTE]If you'd rather be screwed by your lawyer it's your business, but it's probably outside the purlieu of the board.

I had this dream the other day that I met a very sexy mature lady that went by the name of Elle. The reason I say it was a dream, is because reality for a schmuck like me couldn't be that great. She has a very nice warm cozy location in a nice area of town. She was sweet, kind and had the sexiest eyes you'll ever find. Her body had those perfect curves just where any man would want them. She had my little friends attention in no time. Now normally I'm just a 1 cup of coffee type of guy, but this sexy little sweetheart convinced me that 2 cups is the only way to go. And just for the record, in my dream she looked even sexier than her pictures. Treat her well guys, she's a sweetheart and Indy is so lucky to have her.

[QUOTE=Osirusss;1343276]I totally agree. I will never pay less than 200 or more than 450. Thats just how I roll. If we ever reach a time where the high end girls go 600 and the low end girls go 150. Fuck it I'll just find something worthwhile on the side for free. Until prices re-adjust. This may seem silly, but this is the Osirusss Hobby Framework, and I stick to it. I have read the word "Capitalism" stated here and to be honest this hobby is one of very few business transactions done in the USA that the government doesn't have any direct control over. Thats why I love this hobby soo much. Capitalism in its purest form. I almost get the same pleasure out of screwing the Gov. Out of tax revenue than the act of seeing a high end Provider at 400 per hr. Almost.[/QUOTE]I think everyone is basically saying the same thing here. There are times for Fast Food and times for Fine Dining. I think most in the hobby enjoy the Variety. I, for one, do not want the same experience each time. There are certainly "Diamonds in the Ruff" that make the landscape worth exploring. I do not have a problem booking a reservation at a high end establishment but do not want to receive a fast food experience. I have had the pleasure of dining with Abby and it a good thing for my wallet that I am from out of town. It is obvious from her many supporters (and I am one) that she is very accomplished. But, I feel that a high end reservation does not ensure that difficulties will not arise. Often the reservation may be more difficult to secure with such with high demand. Variety is the spice of life and there is room for all. ENJOY!

[QUOTE=Inboater01;1343540]I think everyone is basically saying the same thing here. There are times for Fast Food and times for Fine Dining. I think most in the hobby enjoy the Variety. I, for one, do not want the same experience each time. There are certainly "Diamonds in the Ruff" that make the landscape worth exploring. I do not have a problem booking a reservation at a high end establishment but do not want to receive a fast food experience. I have had the pleasure of dining with Abby and it a good thing for my wallet that I am from out of town. It is obvious from her many supporters (and I am one) that she is very accomplished. But, I feel that a high end reservation does not ensure that difficulties will not arise. Often the reservation may be more difficult to secure with such with high demand. Variety is the spice of life and there is room for all. ENJOY![/QUOTE]She told me I as the one and only. DAUUUUMN IT!

[QUOTE=Inboater01;1343540]I think everyone is basically saying the same thing here. There are times for Fast Food and times for Fine Dining.[/QUOTE]Yeah, except that isn't what everybody is saying. Some seem to think that Abby has no right to charge more than Taco Bell. Worse, they imagine they can review the establishment without ever having been there.

[QUOTE=B Beall;1344148]Yeah, except that isn't what everybody is saying. Some seem to think that Abby has no right to charge more than Taco Bell. Worse, they imagine they can review the establishment without ever having been there.[/QUOTE]Fucking A, that is it in a nutshell.

I can't understand the mentality of a few on this board. If you have never visited Abby, which I have not, then how the hell can bash her for charging what she charges if there are those are willing to reach her fee level. I have thought about it, but I choose not to. That is the basis of fact, you don't have to see her, and you are free to see anyone you feel comfortable shelling out $5 or $$$$$$$ for, so why would you say she is arrogant in her attitude? She is hot, she is supposedly very good at what she does, GOOD FOR HER!

Here is the problem. A few of you, I won't call out specific names, think that any provider is just one version of a SW. Not true. Some of the ladies I have come across are very intelligent, beautiful, normal hard working girls. I enjoy their company. That is why I am in the hobby.

I don't have to have her get on her knees and have her look up at me so I feel superior. So, if you have to roll quarters or bring wads of cash, I would say bashing a provider because of how YOU feel she should be, is idiotic. So shut up, and quit spooking people.

[QUOTE Some of the ladies I have come across are very intelligent, beautiful, normal hard working girls.[/QUOTE]

There is nothing normal about this hobby. Normal gals don't sell themselves and nornal guys don't buy them. If this were a normal hobby, it wouldn't be illegal, immoral and scorned by the vast majority of society.

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[QUOTE Some of the ladies I have come across are very intelligent, beautiful, normal hard working girls. There is nothing normal about this hobby. Normal gals don't sell themselves and nornal guys don't buy them. If this were a normal hobby, it wouldn't be illegal, immoral and scorned by the vast majority of society.[/QUOTE]

Very well put my friend. This is not a normal hobby.

My two cents; I haven't had the opportunity to meet up with Abby, but a provider should charge whatever rate she wants. The smart providers like Abby adapt to the market, if there are guys willing to pay then good for her. I travel a lot, so I see providers that charge more then what Abby is asking. Why?

1.) They're more discrete, safe and more trusting then a low rate providers (I'm not knocking the low rate providers, it's from my experience.)

2.) They don't see tons of hobbyist (very selective) , so you don't have to worry about being double booked.

3.) Very-unrushed service, GFE to the core.

Let me tell you, I've had more fun with high end providers then any provider that charges below 2. Also, if you've seen them a few times, and build trust you normally can get a super sweet rate, with a lot of extra minutes which can add up into hour (s).

Take this in comparison, when I started as a photographer when I graduated college my pricing was really low. I had tons of clients that wanted me to take their pictures, because I gave them a quality product for the price. I had so many clients I couldn't keep up with the demand, and the quality of the product was being rushed, and not up to my standards. This is my profession, so I eventually up-ed my price, and packages which means I would lose tons of my previous clients. I may have less clients now, but I'm in a new bracket when it comes to my clients now. I have clients that are willing to pay for my photography in a heartbeat, with no questions asked.

Going back to Abby, with her upping her rate she has less hobbyist trying to contact her, she has less hobbyist trying to negotiate her price down for service, less no shows, just less jerks in general that make us look bad. She is probably providing the hobbyist that do see her the ultimate GFE. Also, I bet the guys that see her on a regular are probably getting sweet rate.

People need to stop complaining about provider rates. At the end of the day a provider should charge whatever rate he or she wants. Like the saying 'You get what you pay for'.

Chelli4me, this was not aimed at you, I was just wanting to make a point to the forum.

Happy Holidays and Stay Safe.

I am new to this site but not new to this hobby. I just wanted to take a moment to let the men of Indy. Know about Kayla, I have seen her for the last couple years on and off, and trust me this woman is not only very sexy and warm, but she can care on a good conversation with you. Kayla is the Hot woman you see on the street and only dream about being with, but if you play your cards right and show up on time, clean yourself up and treat her like a lady, you will have the time of your life. I have even seen Kayla when she was having a bad day and she still did not disappoint. I know there will be haters on this site, just like I have seen on others, but some guys just write bad reviews, because a girl is not sure of them and maybe turns them away, and they get their feelings hurt and have to try and run the woman down. Kayla is the real deal, I know I will be going back, and if you don't believe me, COOL, more of her for me.

I am new to this site but not new to this hobby. I just wanted to let the men of Indy. Know about Kayla, I have seen her on and off for the last couple years. Kayla is the Hot Sexy woman you pass on the street and only think about being with, but if you clean yourself up, show up on time and treat her like a lady, you will have the time of your life. I have seen Kayla even on days she may not have been at her best, but she does not disappoint. Kayla is not only very sexy but she can care on a good conversation with you, she has a great sense of humor.

I know there will be haters on this site, just like others I have been on, but Kayla is the real deal, and if you don't believe me, COOL, more of her for me.

It's legal in Canada. It's legal in Mexico. It's legal across Western Europe, excepting Iceland and Sweden. It's legal in every country in South America except Guyana and Suriname, where the law isn't enforced. Legal in Israel, and in India. It's illegal but tolerated across much of Asia (Thailand being a notable example) , where prostitutes are scorned, illegal across the Islamic Middle East, where women in general are scorned (although it is legal to get married for a few hours in Iran) , and in the US of A, where some people mistake Bronze Age superstition and 19th century backwoods religious mania for what's "normal" and "moral".

Even so, and even given the large-scale, well-funded, and tax-exempt anti-sex industry in this country, with its horror stories of international sex slavery, child prostitution, and outmoded model of control by organized crime, this supposed "vast majority" of people amounts to 52% of the population, largely because it is almost universally opposed by those over 65; people under 45 split about evenly.

[QUOTE=B Beall;1343440]If you'd rather be screwed by your lawyer it's your business, but it's probably outside the purlieu of the board.[/QUOTE]B Beall, you really got me with that one. Got a good laugh out of it. at) And yes, and no that I'd rather be screwed by my lawyer, not unless he changed sexes and gets super sexy. Till that happens I think I keep our relationship right where it is.

As for the restaurant analogies floating around here I think variety does sum it up best however what has been presented is a very polar view of things. Yes, there is fine dinning, and yes, there is fast food and sometimes you even prefer the fast food to the fine dinning depending on your mood.

However what has been forgotten is those little hole in the wall restaurants that not every body knows about but are really super good and does not break your wallet. Those primarily my targets. Though I like both fine dining and fast food (mostly subway. The vast over welling part of my time goes to frequenting those eclectic mom and pop type of restaurants.

However at some point analogies break down. My whole point is why pay more when you can pay more of a fair price for just as good a service? I have found it countless times. Yes, such finds do take time and hassle along the way, but when you find them the feeling is quite special. This does not mean I will never see a higher end provider but I still think $400 is excessive. But as you capitalists like to point out the market will bare what the market will bare. We'll just have to see on this one.

I just thought if more hobbyist stuck together prices wouldn't get so out of control. I guess some of us have way too much money. I'm just jealous, wishing that were me.