Police have resources to burn
[QUOTE=SupFude9;5451815]I was driving around tonight on Sully and saw a WSW in red and white checkered pants by Sunoco. Maybe around 10:30 pm. I turned to pick her off a side street. She started walking towards me but then suddenly stopped and walked away. She was maybe 20 feet from me. I rolled down my window and asked if she wanted a ride. First thing she asked was if I had $5. She did not sound like most SW that I have talked to. Weird, but she sounded educated. I rolled my window up and kept going. On the next street over, there were 3 SUVs all parked in a row with their lights on. Couldn't see inside them. One was a nice Jeep. I turn back onto Sully to drive by and she has now crossed the street but standing in only the well lit area. I came back through about 5 minutes later and she, plus the SUVs were all gone. Didn't see anyone pulled over around that area. With all the busts going on, gave me a bad feeling. I have never heard of a decoy getting Into a vehicle. If they don't jump right in, I leave them.
Stay Safe.
S9.[/QUOTE]Thanks to the funding from Biden in March, cities have money to pump into narc and vice. If you follow FB you can see that right now more johns are going to jail than girls.
I've seen it before: first the round up the girls; then the johns.
They even use the trick of using a girl to vet a decoy as part of her release. I've also seen them put girls in a favorite bar and get the johns that way. They've used the girls phone to round up johns who call. They find the places the girls take their tricks and nail them there. They even use the girl as bate then round up the johns that show up. A girl can get in your car and ride a few blocks cause the cops don't really care if she gets hurt.
When things get hot stick with the smart girls who maintain their phones and stay sober and sharp on the streets. Tell her something she can use to know it's you and not the cops and do the same with her.
Before cell phones, there were phone booths. When things were too hot I would motion to a particular booth and call her from a few blocks away after I saw her inside the booth. I told her that when she saw me she could go to that booth and we would arrange a location.
I had a situation where the cops followed the girl so I arranged meeting her at a mall or store telling her I would pay the taxi fee.
In hard times, only the smart survive.
Besides, it's fun developing all this spy stuff to screw with their heads.
True but things are worse
[QUOTE=BusterHymen;5454546]As long as you don't do something stupid and admit you were seeking pussy, this law cannot stick. The problem with this law is that although you will not be convicted, in reality the police can arrest you for anything they deem suspicious. You can be hauled off to jail, need to post bail, get a lawyer, get your mugshot in the paper, etc. You will be dismissed if it goes to court, but you will have to put up with all the drama and expense before getting cleared.[/QUOTE]Indeed. Except things are much worse for those charged and booked, even if eventually they will walk free from the court system. Your mugshot will ruin your job prospects and lots of other damaging things will ensue. For cops, you are just a statistic and a potential source of funding for themselves and the system (the more they arrest, the better-off they are); but for the accused individuals, their lives and careers are ruined. Somebody here gave a good example of a girl who worked as a cashier, and after the solicitation charge, she could not find a job and had to see men regularly.
One other nuance. When charges and accusations are filed against someone, courts and judges cannot "prove" anything; they cannot prove innocence. All the judge can do is to find you "not guilty" (note, not innocent, but not guilty) and dismiss the case. That, however, does not necessarily make that someone innocent; it just means there was not enough evidence to convince the jury of the defendant's guilt, and because of the presumption of innocence practice, that someone walks away free. A good example is the Mueller commission work and report. The presumption of innocence stems from what in statistics is known as type I and type ii errors, or a false positive conclusion (an innocent person is convicted) versus a false negative (a guilty person is not convicted. The former is a much worse prospect and hence the presumption of innocence. So the point is that when an accusation is leveled against you, even if untrue, your reputation is tarnished for good, because, even with the not guilty verdict, some skeptics may say--well, he just walked away free because the prosecution did not do their job well enough, but potentially one could have been guilty if the police had dug deeper for evidence.
Probable cause and reasonable doubt
[QUOTE=MrElectrolyte;5459497]Yeah, interesting points. Just FYI, all mugshots are posted in some way on the internet, at least that I'm aware of. But you're right that in many cases if they bust you in a hotel sting they won't arrest. However, if they bust you in a street sting they alm always will arrest, as far as I'm aware.
You're situation is a good one but for many guys it's not that way. Also, if they cite you they're going to throw the book at you bc they're aware it often gets pled down / dismissed. As far as suing for wrongful arrest is concerned I doubt that will happen. The law is broad enough for the officer to arrest you but for you not to be convicted. It sounds silly, I know, but that's they way it is. "Probable cause" does not equate to "beyond reasonable doubt" in court.
Remember that they only need probable cause to make an arrest.[/QUOTE]One should keep in mind that in determining a probable cause, the notion and practice needed for the police and prosecution to file a complaint against a person and to book the person, the judge would always give preference to the police; that is the police and prosecution's arguments and "evidence" are always privileged over the person accused; put another way, the police are always a favored side in the probable cause determination. In practical terms this means that the judge would almost always agrees with the police' arguments when they file an arrest request and will agree / allow to book the accused.
In the case of the beyond the reasonable doubt idea, the favored side is supposed to be the defendant, the accused, because of the presumption of innocence, the the burden of proof is on the prosecution side. But, what is "beyond the reasonable doubt" actually? There are lots of interpretations of what it means. Some tried to quantify this idea to say that if something has at least the 80% of likelihood of occurrence, then there should not be any doubt about that. In practice, this just means that if an average Joe may conclude that something is likely to occur, then there is no reasonable double. Like for instance, if a guy shows up in the girl's hotel room, what would be the most reasonable motive for meeting with her--aha, probable, f. Cking her, therefore there is no reasonable doubt that the guy intended to engage in procuring prostitution. So the point is that the beyond of reasonable doubt is not that stringent standard as many may think. It surely depends on the type of crime, the murder standards and higher than the solicitation ones.
In terms of the rich guy who would sue the police, wel Mr. Kraft was accused of solicitation, and the masseurs, the prostitutes, ended up being the scapegoat, not the police. See here:
[URL]https://reason.com/2020/12/02/florida-masseuse-ordered-to-pay-31573-after-soliciting-robert-kraft-to-commit-prostitution/[/URL]