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[QUOTE=Korman23;5707857]Did you miss the part where he said her CBJ was weak?[/QUOTE]Everything was on the table. Lost interest I guess. Combination of weak CBJ and non preferred physical features just wanted to bail.
Hitomi and Co Co were my go to. There are quite a few spas in the NE. Wager I'd try a few. This one was a loss but I'd try again with someone else.
[QUOTE=Korman23;5707857]Did you miss the part where he said her CBJ was weak?[/QUOTE][I] Opted for a hand finish and bounced.[/I]
I dunno, maybe it is me, but if I go to a Spa expecting FS and pay that rate, and the end result is the only way I can get off is a handie, then I paid 160 for a handie. This what stinks about the hobby, no consistency or regulation, it's always YMMV. But the good thing about these boards is someone shares that bad experience so that others can decide how they might want to approach that Spa or avoid it.
Good discussion.
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5708054][I] Opted for a hand finish and bounced.[/I]
I dunno, maybe it is me, but if I go to a Spa expecting FS and pay that rate, and the end result is the only way I can get off is a handie, then I paid 160 for a handie. This what stinks about the hobby, no consistency or regulation, it's always YMMV. But the good thing about these boards is someone shares that bad experience so that others can decide how they might want to approach that Spa or avoid it.
Good discussion.[/QUOTE]From my experience, Philly AMPs always offer what they offer. Ie, FS is always offered at a place that offers it.
Here it sounds like the guy had trouble getting it up so he just cut his losses and took the handie route. No shame, we all have off days.
[QUOTE=BeefNoodleSoup;5708274]From my experience, Philly AMPs always offer what they offer. Ie, FS is always offered at a place that offers it.
Here it sounds like the guy had trouble getting it up so he just cut his losses and took the handie route. No shame, we all have off days.[/QUOTE]LOL. Mostly true. However, I did get it up with manual stimulation and could have slapped the condom on and finished. Just saying.
[QUOTE=Thedarkstar;5708470]LOL. Mostly true. However, I did get it up with manual stimulation and could have slapped the condom on and finished. Just saying.[/QUOTE]I recently lost my erection mid playtime. As we were switching to mish, the condom came off. She wasn't paying attention and was anxious to get mack to business. I could have left it off, but I honored her wishes (since she put it on in the first place). I managed to regain my composure, slip it back on and finish in mish.
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5675180]I hate to say this, but if you paid 160 for an hand job at the Spa in Delaware, then you over paid. That should be the fare for FS. Perhaps sharpen your negotiation skills? Girls in any venue will see or sense inexperience and exploit it! Sorry you got taken, but I have fucked at that place for 160.[/QUOTE]Was my first experience and since then 1) I've gotten better at negotiating prices but 2) I've never had as positive an experience as I have there. I know I set the floor high for myself now but since I've become a regular I've gotten more options for the same price. Spent substantially less at some other places in DE and had substantially worse service.
[QUOTE=CornLord;5709112]Was my first experience and since then 1) I've gotten better at negotiating prices but 2) I've never had as positive an experience as I have there. I know I set the floor high for myself now but since I've become a regular I've gotten more options for the same price. Spent substantially less at some other places in DE and had substantially worse service.[/QUOTE]Learning how to stand your ground on the standard industry prices in the AMP business and still ensuring you get enthusiastic service is all part of gaining the experience you'll need to have a good time in this hobby at reasonable prices.
One tactic I have used in the past when at a new spa and they think they may have someone who just fell off the turnip truck (I have an innocent looking face) is to help them understand that I know what the standards are in the industry and "that I can go down the street and get these services we're discussing at the tips I'm proposing. You know it, I know it, so let's please honor the market and agree on a tip that's in line with what's agreeable everywhere else in the area". It's stated calmly but firmly. It's not a threat, it's not angry, it's just matter-of-fact. Maintain a calm demeanor and a neutral-to-smiling face when you deliver that message and you'd be surprised how often it'll work.
That usually is enough to dissuade them of the notion that they're going to charge me a higher price than what's usual and customary. And if it's not, I'll thank her for the massage, get up off the table and start getting dressed.
If that isn't enough to change their mind, then it's likely I wouldn't want to stay there on the table and partake in what comes next.
[QUOTE=Jayke00;5710371]Learning how to stand your ground on the standard industry prices in the AMP business and still ensuring you get enthusiastic service is all part of gaining the experience you'll need to have a good time in this hobby at reasonable prices.
One tactic I have used in the past when at a new spa and they think they may have someone who just fell off the turnip truck (I have an innocent looking face) is to help them understand that I know what the standards are in the industry and "that I can go down the street and get these services we're discussing at the tips I'm proposing. You know it, I know it, so let's please honor the market and agree on a tip that's in line with what's agreeable everywhere else in the area". It's stated calmly but firmly. It's not a threat, it's not angry, it's just matter-of-fact. Maintain a calm demeanor and a neutral-to-smiling face when you deliver that message and you'd be surprised how often it'll work.
That usually is enough to dissuade them of the notion that they're going to charge me a higher price than what's usual and customary. And if it's not, I'll thank her for the massage, get up off the table and start getting dressed.
If that isn't enough to change their mind, then it's likely I wouldn't want to stay there on the table and partake in what comes next.[/QUOTE]I must confess and I'll be blunt, if I am kind of just renting a hole for the hour that approach is fine. I do like to pretend that they might actually like me and we can enjoy each other for the hour. I have always felt I get more mileage from tipping some extra up front. Sometimes I have gotten burned but over all if her attitude is good from the start the entire session is better. Making her feel like she is on sale in the discount bid, usually doesn't set the right mood.
I am not arguing that any approach is wrong. I am just giving my perspective on this. If I find a gal I really like I will often see her again and again. IF you're a one and done kind of guy, it doesn't matter so much.
[QUOTE=HarryBaldBallz;5710597]I must confess and I'll be blunt, if I am kind of just renting a hole for the hour that approach is fine. I do like to pretend that they might actually like me and we can enjoy each other for the hour. I have always felt I get more mileage from tipping some extra up front. Sometimes I have gotten burned but over all if her attitude is good from the start the entire session is better. Making her feel like she is on sale in the discount bid, usually doesn't set the right mood.
I am not arguing that any approach is wrong. I am just giving my perspective on this. If I find a gal I really like I will often see her again and again. IF you're a one and done kind of guy, it doesn't matter so much.[/QUOTE]Thats kind of the theory I'm going on now. I've went to a couple places where the provider was clearly treating things as a transaction and I didn't mind going back and forth. At least one place in DE still delivered enthusiastic service even after I talked her down. And for all I know other places may have been lousy even if I'd accepted their first offer. But at least at blue wave, being a high spender and a regular. Mama is extra polite, the providers give good service, and no one is expecting surprises which is pretty good too. Again, not bashing Jayke00's approach which can definitely work as well.
The rate is what her rates are. If she is a hot 28 year old with mad skills and an open attitude she will get her rate. If she is an angry 58 year old dead fish well she will demand a different rate. Once in a while you'll find a new hot young gal. Eventually they figure out what their value is.
I'm not sure about everything after your first sentence. If you can't pay, then don't try to play. If you don't want to pay, don't try to play.
[QUOTE=PhillyDwag;5714412]The rate is what her rates are. If she is a hot 28 year old with mad skills and an open attitude she will get her rate. If she is an angry 58 year old dead fish well she will demand a different rate. Once in a while you'll find a new hot young gal. Eventually they figure out what their value is.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CornLord;5713015]Thats kind of the theory I'm going on now. I've went to a couple places where the provider was clearly treating things as a transaction and I didn't mind going back and forth. At least one place in DE still delivered enthusiastic service even after I talked her down. And for all I know other places may have been lousy even if I'd accepted their first offer. But at least at blue wave, being a high spender and a regular. Mama is extra polite, the providers give good service, and no one is expecting surprises which is pretty good too. Again, not bashing Jayke00's approach which can definitely work as well.[/QUOTE]Agreed that there's more than one way to get what you want. And if you're happy with what you're spending and you're happy with what you're receiving in return, that's really all that matters. I'm not the type who's going to whine and complain about "one monger ruining it for the rest of us" by paying more than me.
What keeps me with my approach is (a) it's working pretty well for me and (b) I am aware of my value [I]as a customer[/I].
I'm clean and clean cut. I keep myself in good shape. I'm nice, a good conversationalist and as attentive to my therapist's needs as I am to my own. Having an hour to spend with someone like me is worth something to a working girl who has no control over who walks in the door next; someone they'll have to service whether they prefer to be with that guy or not.
So I leverage my value to keep pricing to industry standards because as others on this thread have mentioned, there [B]is[/B] value in building a relationship with your therapist over time. However for me, building that relationship is as much about her recognizing my value as it is for me to recognize hers. That mutual respect for what we each bring to the table is important in someone I'm going to see repeatedly.
[QUOTE=LutherMahoney;5715881]I'm not sure about everything after your first sentence. If you can't pay, then don't try to play. If you don't want to pay, don't try to play.[/QUOTE]25 year old's that are freaky will get a certain rate. I know this and I know if I want it I'll have to pay the toll.
If a 58 year old dead fish tries to get the same rate as the 25 year old above well she is going to have many less customers.
Not sure what you're missing here. Each lady sets her own rates not the AMP. That is why they call it a house fee. There was basic Philly Rate over the last 10-15 years. It seems to be more fluid right now. Between the 160 and 200 rates.
Once in a while you'll find a spa that will hold tight with pricing. I find it to be more rare anymore. What used to be a set price is now more fluid. It still seems to range between the 160-200 range.
I have never had an issue with an extra tip up front. Most of the time it usually works out for me with a solid session. Once in a while it will back fire on me and I feel like that was a waste. I can think of feeling I got ripped off at a certain spa but I went back later and it was great session and a great value. Of course I let the manager / owner know about my bad experience. I let the Internet community know about that lady but I didn't bash the hell out of that spa.
[QUOTE=SamRocks107;5704868]Does anyone know what happened to Tina from Sun Spa? 35-40 ish with a nice body?[/QUOTE]She's back now took a vacation. And FYI she's not 35-40 LOL. I know her real age. Keep going way up not down.