"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

So...have been doing this SA thing for almost two years, and like the rest of you it has made my world a much, much better place. I've noticed some patterns / techniques along the way, these are only my $.02 so take it for what its worth...as a point of reference, I'm relatively young (41), slim, decent looking, professional...and single, which is huge I know as I can let it "hang out" a bit more than some of you. Anyway...my observations...and no these don't always apply, just generalizations:

1. Girls with facial piercings / tatoos will fuck you silly...and fast...just seems to be an indicator.

2. Artists are great.

3. Dancers / Strippers / Models suck.

4. Girls who use the words "pamper" or "princess" or "Leboutin / Louis Vutton / Hermes etc." in their profiles are to be avoided.

5. Students / Good girls. Ah yes, the reluctant hookers...here's what I find, and maybe this works for me because I'm on the younger end of the SD spectrum? Once we've started talking and I get them comfortable, the conversation turns to the nature of the relationship...I throw out the "well there are two ways to look at this SA thing...one that it is selective prostitution, the other that it is a way for younger women to meet awesome older guys that they might be attracted to but would not normally have a way to meet"...or something along those lines. Most of these "students / good girls" will self-select into the latter category. Once they do this, I find that if I take them out to nice restaurants, treat them nice etc. Etc., I often don't have to pay for the extracurricular activities. I'm on my fourth in a row where there is no money for sex, per se, as long as I'm willing to spend $100 bucks or so on dinner...which I am.

6. Flyouts are a great tool. Once you get to know them, tell them you will fly them to meet you on business trips (if you travel), and you will cover all expenses...this can be a great thing, as miles are free and / or some flights are really cheap, you have to get the hotels and rental cars anyway for work etc. Etc. I've had several multi-day fuck-filled trips for as little as a $200 plane ticket and a little added expense at mealtime.

Anyway, some thoughts...was wondering if you guys had rules you live by as you weed through the profiles?

[QUOTE=HighCotton;1909639]So...have been doing this SA thing for almost two years, and like the rest of you it has made my world a much, much better place. I've noticed some patterns / techniques along the way, these are only my $.02 so take it for what its worth...as a point of reference, I'm relatively young (41), slim, decent looking, professional...and single, which is huge I know as I can let it "hang out" a bit more than some of you. Anyway...my observations...and no these don't always apply, just generalizations:

1. Girls with facial piercings / tatoos will fuck you silly...and fast...just seems to be an indicator.

2. Artists are great.

3. Dancers / Strippers / Models suck.

4. Girls who use the words "pamper" or "princess" or "Leboutin / Louis Vutton / Hermes etc." in their profiles are to be avoided.

5. Students / Good girls. Ah yes, the reluctant hookers...here's what I find, and maybe this works for me because I'm on the younger end of the SD spectrum? Once we've started talking and I get them comfortable, the conversation turns to the nature of the relationship...I throw out the "well there are two ways to look at this SA thing...one that it is selective prostitution, the other that it is a way for younger women to meet awesome older guys that they might be attracted to but would not normally have a way to meet"...or something along those lines. Most of these "students / good girls" will self-select into the latter category. Once they do this, I find that if I take them out to nice restaurants, treat them nice etc. Etc., I often don't have to pay for the extracurricular activities. I'm on my fourth in a row where there is no money for sex, per se, as long as I'm willing to spend $100 bucks or so on dinner...which I am.

6. Flyouts are a great tool. Once you get to know them, tell them you will fly them to meet you on business trips (if you travel), and you will cover all expenses...this can be a great thing, as miles are free and / or some flights are really cheap, you have to get the hotels and rental cars anyway for work etc. Etc. I've had several multi-day fuck-filled trips for as little as a $200 plane ticket and a little added expense at mealtime.

Anyway, some thoughts...was wondering if you guys had rules you live by as you weed through the profiles?[/QUOTE]Nice summary HC Ahh, to be 40 again! These HCGs who are willing to date you for no allowance, how long do they last? Are they one and done or do you have to kick them to the curb? Do you date IRL? Or do you only date SBs?

I have learned that rules are only to be broken. But I have found for me that:

1) 24 to 28 yr old single college grads work best. Preferably the 8's,which I upgrade because of performance.

2) dancers, strippers, beautiful girls / models are GPS or UTRs.

3) single mothers are too difficult to maneuver with due to scheduling and babysitting.

4) teens are too schizoid and either unrealistic or Pros.

5) over 30 don't appeal to me.

Having said that I have had success with almost every category, but loads of failures. My search age is 18 to 29 The best 1 niter was 19 ,the best long termer was 28.

[QUOTE=HighCotton;1909639]So...have been doing this SA thing for almost two years, and like the rest of you it has made my world a much, much better place. I've noticed some patterns / techniques along the way, these are only my $.02 so take it for what its worth...as a point of reference, I'm relatively young (41), slim, decent looking, professional...and single, which is huge I know as I can let it "hang out" a bit more than some of you. Anyway...my observations...and no these don't always apply, just generalizations:

1. Girls with facial piercings / tatoos will fuck you silly...and fast...just seems to be an indicator.

2. Artists are great.

3. Dancers / Strippers / Models suck.

4. Girls who use the words "pamper" or "princess" or "Leboutin / Louis Vutton / Hermes etc." in their profiles are to be avoided.

5. Students / Good girls. Ah yes, the reluctant hookers...here's what I find, and maybe this works for me because I'm on the younger end of the SD spectrum? Once we've started talking and I get them comfortable, the conversation turns to the nature of the relationship...I throw out the "well there are two ways to look at this SA thing...one that it is selective prostitution, the other that it is a way for younger women to meet awesome older guys that they might be attracted to but would not normally have a way to meet"...or something along those lines. Most of these "students / good girls" will self-select into the latter category. Once they do this, I find that if I take them out to nice restaurants, treat them nice etc. Etc., I often don't have to pay for the extracurricular activities. I'm on my fourth in a row where there is no money for sex, per se, as long as I'm willing to spend $100 bucks or so on dinner...which I am.
[/QUOTE]Jesus, Cotton, are you reading my mind? Quit it!!

#'s 1 and 2 are my go-to guidelines. I love the quirky, creative, artistic types anyway, and the fact that they will shed their clothes in a minute is a decided bonus as far as I'm concerned; #'s 3 and 4 are my personal red flags; and I love to put persuasion time into catagory #5, as it often pays off wonderfully in the long run.

That said, I would also agree with Fred in that there is often sucess to be had in every catagory, and I have certainly had some outstanding times with single moms. Scheduling is often difficult, but the pent-up demand for a solid pounding always makes up for it.

[QUOTE=HighCotton;1909639]So...have been doing this SA thing for almost two years, and like the rest of you it has made my world a much, much better place. I've noticed some patterns / techniques along the way, these are only my $.02 so take it for what its worth...as a point of reference, I'm relatively young (41), slim, decent looking, professional...and single, which is huge I know as I can let it "hang out" a bit more than some of you. Anyway...my observations...and no these don't always apply, just generalizations:

1. Girls with facial piercings / tatoos will fuck you silly...and fast...just seems to be an indicator.

2. Artists are great.

3. Dancers / Strippers / Models suck.

4. Girls who use the words "pamper" or "princess" or "Leboutin / Louis Vutton / Hermes etc." in their profiles are to be avoided.

5. Students / Good girls. Ah yes, the reluctant hookers...here's what I find, and maybe this works for me because I'm on the younger end of the SD spectrum? Once we've started talking and I get them comfortable, the conversation turns to the nature of the relationship...I throw out the "well there are two ways to look at this SA thing...one that it is selective prostitution, the other that it is a way for younger women to meet awesome older guys that they might be attracted to but would not normally have a way to meet"...or something along those lines. Most of these "students / good girls" will self-select into the latter category. Once they do this, I find that if I take them out to nice restaurants, treat them nice etc. Etc., I often don't have to pay for the extracurricular activities. I'm on my fourth in a row where there is no money for sex, per se, as long as I'm willing to spend $100 bucks or so on dinner...which I am.

6. Flyouts are a great tool. Once you get to know them, tell them you will fly them to meet you on business trips (if you travel), and you will cover all expenses...this can be a great thing, as miles are free and / or some flights are really cheap, you have to get the hotels and rental cars anyway for work etc. Etc. I've had several multi-day fuck-filled trips for as little as a $200 plane ticket and a little added expense at mealtime.

Anyway, some thoughts...was wondering if you guys had rules you live by as you weed through the profiles?[/QUOTE]1. Tongue or lip pierced girls. Weird attitudes and not very good kissers.

2. Artists. Think too much with their head instead of their pussy.

3. Mostly not so good, but my opinion is changing, since my current "girlfriend" is a nude dancer.

4. Princess is fine, if it's a state of mind.

5. Only looking for good girls, no pros and very limited on the UTR scene.

6. Haven't tried it.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1909792]1. Tongue or lip pierced girls. Weird attitudes and not very good kissers.

2. Artists. Think too much with their head instead of their pussy.

3. Mostly not so good, but my opinion is changing, since my current "girlfriend" is a nude dancer.

4. Princess is fine, if it's a state of mind.

5. Only looking for good girls, no pros and very limited on the UTR scene.

6. Haven't tried it.[/QUOTE]HG and I can have almost the totally opposite take on these points, and yet we are clearly both successful in our pursuit. It just proves that there are babies out there for all of us, and it is our task to figure out how to land them.

Tally ho!

Scott.

Met the owner renting the room. She is not doable, LOL. Made the deal for $600 per month, month to month. Nice furnished room. I will change the sheets and leave a,few clothes. Private suite, high rise with security. Easy parking.

Met the other POT. She is short, big boobs, cute butt. We talked, flirted, kissed, etc. She agreed to drive down tomorrow night and get a room close by my work. Tiggabounce tomorrow.

Ms Thickness canceled on me.

BT.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1909792]1. Tongue or lip pierced girls. Weird attitudes and not very good kissers.

I don't so much notice how the tongue-pierced girls kiss...but it works in other areas...LOL :-)

[QUOTE=Revvo;1909607]
Oh by the way. On the other issue below. I got tested and I am negative on all 8 STDs. Wife just has her first ever yeast infection. She went to doctor and he is treating it as so. I hear I could still have Trich but I have no symptoms. Is that possible?
Revvo.[/QUOTE]Revvo. Glad to hear you're clear. Trich is tough as it is tough to diagnose just from male specimens. If your wife is still having problems after treating BV / Yeast over the counter then, it may be tich. My guess is she'll be fine after the OC treatments.

I'll have to do a bit of research to see what your options are. Occam's Razor says that it is probably BV or yeast. But trich is pretty common (HPV more so). My guess is you're fine...but as Andy Grove said "Only the Paranoid Survive".

I totally agree with you about South American women!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1909736]Nice summary HC Ahh, to be 40 again! These HCGs who are willing to date you for no allowance, how long do they last? Are they one and done or do you have to kick them to the curb? Do you date IRL? Or do you only date SBs?

Agree completely mid-20s is my sweet spot...

How long do they last...lets see...two I had to break it off as they wanted to be bf/gf...which was hard, as they were both mid-20s with a destructive combination of hardbodiness and sex drive :( Couple of one and dones (granted I dropped $100-150 on dinner and drinks for the evening). Three are ongoing....though one of those I think just uses me for backup sex...she's notoriously unreliable (e.g. breaks off dates), so I think I'm just her goto if all else fails...which is totally cool with me...I get it, yes I do :-)

And don't get me wrong, these are not the norm...I've had to wade through many a "I want $500 per visit" (NOT) to get there...but I think we've all found our little niches to play in...

[QUOTE=HighCotton;1909639]

3. Dancers / Strippers / Models suck.

[/QUOTE]I think this holds true within the US mostly. When I was a sophomore in college, I dated a Playboy centerfold (long story how it happened. Just call me lucky). She was the epitome of a dead fish. Worst fuck I've had. I've had much better luck outside the USA.

When I lived in Japan, I dated both a TV / Movie actress (learned to hate paparazzi), and her BFF (a model) after the broke-up (long story). The actress was a total freak (think Wide Eyes Shut), and the model was the best sex I've ever had hands down. She'd do anything to please. I was close to marrying the model when a f'ing Investment banker grabbed her (I was poor then). She's in NYC now...and still stays in touch (fingers crossed we'll meet again).

The moral of the story is don't over generalize. But I do think strippers in the US are jaded. Third rate models as well.

[QUOTE=PatsFan1;1909392]So I've been busier than normal lately at work and heading out door earlier in the morning. Last week flipping through the radio I stumble across this local radio show that tests men. It's called "war of the roses". A wife or gf that suspects a cheating partner calls in and gets the radio hosts to test the man. The female radio host calls the man's cell and says he won a free dozen long stem red roses and he can choose to have them sent to anyone in the continental US at zero charge. I listened on the radio (and then checked out the website) as almost all of these guys send the roses to their mistress. I'm pointing out this lesson so that if something free like this this comes along, use your Brain not your dick. Send the freebie to your wife and include a nice sappy message about how you love her and are sorry you've been so distracted with work lately!! Don't send the flowers to your ATF SB... Ie. Give the dick pounding to your SB and the flowers to your wife. I recommend pulling the website and listen to a few. Just search war of the roses radio...

Good Luck and stay safe,

PF[/QUOTE]This is some funny shit.

I heard the exact same episode on my local radio this morning (or was it yesterday's).

So dude got the call and decided he wants to send roses to his claimed co-worker. Who the FUCK send roses to the co-worker? Moron.

Of course his wife was on the call listening-in, you know what happens. LOL.

[QUOTE=PatsFan1;1909392]So I've been busier than normal lately at work and heading out door earlier in the morning. Last week flipping through the radio I stumble across this local radio show that tests men. It's called "war of the roses". A wife or gf that suspects a cheating partner calls in and gets the radio hosts to test the man. The female radio host calls the man's cell and says he won a free dozen long stem red roses and he can choose to have them sent to anyone in the continental US at zero charge. I listened on the radio (and then checked out the website) as almost all of these guys send the roses to their mistress. I'm pointing out this lesson so that if something free like this this comes along, use your Brain not your dick. Send the freebie to your wife and include a nice sappy message about how you love her and are sorry you've been so distracted with work lately!! Don't send the flowers to your ATF SB... Ie. Give the dick pounding to your SB and the flowers to your wife. I recommend pulling the website and listen to a few. Just search war of the roses radio...

Good Luck and stay safe,

PF[/QUOTE]Don't get Married. That Story is Funny.

It's in DC / Balt as well on 99.5.

[URL]http://www.hot995.com/pages/the-kane-show.html?article=11387003[/URL]

[QUOTE=LandonR;1909626]Question for the gallery. How do you typically portray yourself to the babies? It's obvious that a number of these girls are attracted to wealth, power, perceived status, and other superficial things. Do you exagerate your networth, net income? What do you tell them you do for an occupation if you are really a mid level manager toiling away in corporate american. Curious if I should play into what these girls want and pretend to be a little more than what I am or if I should be 100% real as can be.

Also as a caveat, for the most part I'm looking for 1. 3 times and then moving onto the next baby. Not looking to get locked into anyone for a long term situation.

I'll hang up and listen.[/QUOTE]Okay, I get the irony of someone pursuing age inappropriate babes wanting to claim the high ground, but I am (mostly) straight up. It's easier to keep your story straight, it doesn't create unrealistic expectations, and honestly I don't think most of them really think they are going to end up on the red carpet on E! (although some might-avoid them! That being said, my SA profile age is shaded a few years to keep me south of a milestone birthday (for as long as I think its believable).

I think the girls fall into a few categories-there is discussion about this right now that applies. If the are GPS / UTR / Pro, then it doesn't matter what you say, only what you pay. If they are the middle of the road, hard luck single moms looking for the white knight, maybe puffing yourself up helps, but do you really want that karma if you're only going to see them 2-3 times? If she is the rare breed of first time SB, hesitantly entering the wood, fearful of the wolf, then connection is probably more important than your back-story; but in any event, please leave that one alone and send her to me, I'll keep her for the long term!

What say you, brothers?

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;1910108]Okay, I get the irony of someone pursuing age inappropriate babes wanting to claim the high ground, but I am (mostly) straight up. It's easier to keep your story straight, it doesn't create unrealistic expectations, and honestly I don't think most of them really think they are going to end up on the red carpet on E! (although some might-avoid them! That being said, my SA profile age is shaded a few years to keep me south of a milestone birthday (for as long as I think its believable).

I think the girls fall into a few categories-there is discussion about this right now that applies. If the are GPS / UTR / Pro, then it doesn't matter what you say, only what you pay. If they are the middle of the road, hard luck single moms looking for the white knight, maybe puffing yourself up helps, but do you really want that karma if you're only going to see them 2-3 times? If she is the rare breed of first time SB, hesitantly entering the wood, fearful of the wolf, then connection is probably more important than your back-story; but in any event, please leave that one alone and send her to me, I'll keep her for the long term!

What say you, brothers?[/QUOTE]Dsprdo is right on on this one. You never know when you are going to run into a keeper. You might think it is a one and done and the next thing you know. You have a real fine quality piece of ass a good woman, and she really does not want any money. Then you are in the situation of having to maintain a bunch of bullshit. I tell them the truth. I am open with them. I just do not give them details of my location, name and family. That way they cannot come back to me except maybe on my license plate. But most of the time I have rental cars for my work. So even that would be hard. Running a tag is not so easy any more. That is logged by who is requesting the information. And police can even get dinged for it.

Be straight with them. Treat them right. Otherwise just find a pro. They wont care.

Revvo.