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This is a new case just handed down yesterday:

In California, "police may not search a digital information on cellphones seized from arrestees without warrant because government's interests do not justify them" Cite as 2014 DJDAR 8220, Supreme Court of the United States, Riley v. California, No. 13-132.

Case involves a gangbanger who was stopped for a traffic stop, which led to arrest on weapons charges. An officer searching Riley during the arrest seized a cell phone from Riley's pants pocket and searched it, and other officers did as well. They were able to link Riley to a recent shooting, and enhanced punishment for gang membership. Riley was able to suppress it.

Held: "the police generally may not, without a warrant, search digital information on a cell phone, seized from an individual who has been arrested". A warrant is needed. They note that a cell phone today can store a ton of data and allowing an officer to go through same is an intrusion of privacy and since that data can also be stored on the cloud, "a search may extend well beyond papers and effects in the physical proximity of an arrestee, a concern that the USA Recognizes but cannot definitively foreclose".

[QUOTE=Milcanjose;2133912]So I don't know about you guys, but I feel like this game just got more dangerous! They took over and took down myredbook which was great to have reviews right there on the ad![/QUOTE]We shouldn't worry too much, I'm sure someone else will start a similar site soon.

[QUOTE=ThePussyHunter;2134100]We shouldn't worry too much, I'm sure someone else will start a similar site soon.[/QUOTE]The girls probably move to Backpage, Humaniplex, Sugardaddyforme, Craiglists, etc.

So with the closure of myredbook where am I to find a decent safe date? Hx and rb were my two sites that I used. Hx is great but hey lest be honest here hx does not have the variety that rb had. I really don't want to go back to using BP. I use to use BP in conjunction with another site for reviews but rb had that all wrapped into one. What sites are you guys using?

I agree that that the reviews posted with the ads is why I would browse through Myredbook. When I see an ad on BP that I like and google the number it will usually lead to an ad on Myredbook and with it any reviews. Besides TER I don't know of any place where you can google the number and be connected to a review. I enjoy this site because of all the information shared and in depth reviews, but searing the forum while I am in need of a nut can take a long time. Still love this site Jackson LOL.

[blue]That's going to change soon. Be looking for new stuff here.

A2[/blue]

It's a shame. MyRedbook was one of my go-to sites. Pity.

[QUOTE=TheHuntsman;2134311]I agree that that the reviews posted with the ads is why I would browse through Myredbook. When I see an ad on BP that I like and google the number it will usually lead to an ad on Myredbook and with it any reviews. Besides TER I don't know of any place where you can google the number and be connected to a review. I enjoy this site because of all the information shared and in depth reviews, but searing the forum while I am in need of a nut can take a long time. Still love this site Jackson LOL.

[blue]That's going to change soon. Be looking for new stuff here.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]I used RB for many years for that reason, the reviews really helped sort a world of crap. They will be missed.

Is anyone else exploring Eccie dot Net? It is a setup much like here. Same engine? Heck, for all I know, Jackson are you involved in eccie? Anyway, it would be nice if there was more than just TER for reviews. Always room for a better mousetrap.

I've read a lot of post on here from guys that are\were members of My Red Book and concerned the FBI has your info. The bad news is, they probably do. The good news is, don't be so worried.

I have family and friends in both local and federal LE. The last thing the FBI wants to do is charge a John with a petty misdemeanor. They're all about getting the big fish, not the guppies. They are going after the King pin Pimps that make hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars off human trafficking.

So take a deep breath and take this as a learning experience. If you must pay money to join a service, use an Anonymous debit card next time. Use secondary unregistered devices and go to a public WiFi locations to perform the dirty work so the IP address is random.

Baggens.

[QUOTE=Kampfire;2134453]I used RB for many years for that reason, the reviews really helped sort a world of crap. They will be missed.

Is anyone else exploring Eccie dot Net? It is a setup much like here. Same engine? Heck, for all I know, Jackson are you involved in eccie? Anyway, it would be nice if there was more than just TER for reviews. Always room for a better mousetrap.[/QUOTE]

What I liked about myredbook is being able to search for BBFS ads. Never took the plunge with those but they were fun to read. Anybody know of other sites that have the BBFS search? I know about adultwork but I don't know if it works well for domestic searching.

Thank you for such an informative dissertation. I myself have not been down in at least 7 or 8 years. Had some great times at Adelita and HK back in the day. Since I am not close to border it is definitely a trip to get down there. Thinking it may be time for a trip back down based on your informative report.

Oginla.

[QUOTE=TheCamel;2101033]Not this weekend Chris. I'll be going down for a few weekdays around mid-June for a pleasure tour before I have to shut down for an extended medical adventure in early July. I'll drop you a PM of my schedule when I know it. Would be great to hook up down there and I'll be happy to share a billion stories and clue you in on the nuances that open up the next levels of the Tijuana experience.

Its going to be a madhouse this weekend BTW, especially on Saturday. American holidays can be weird on the Sunday night because it isn't a holiday in Mexico and the chicas mostly aren't too cognizant or don't give a shit that the streets and bars will be full of gringos unlike most dead Sunday nights. So Saturday is a madhouse where walking through HK or Adelita near midnight will be like trying to rush a football into the end zone on a 4th and 2 in a championship game. Sunday will be a sausage fest though patience will get you more than you need before the night is over.

So much to say about landing the good economic overnight guests. I'll just give a few clues. First, fagetaboutit with the major gringo bars like Adelita or HK on any weekend night if you want extra special at a bargain rate. No bargains unless the chica is seriously in love with you in which case you'll do better to pay her big money. All the bars charge bar fines for taking a chica on shift away, that is beyond the bar's own associated hotel. The gringo bars will be ridiculous about that on a holiday weekend. Negotiable but your best deal will not be a good one for either the chica or the barfine.

The answer is to go to ANY OTHER BAR. Most gringos who are casual visitors and only do the standard short term with gringo bar girls and SGs do not feel comfortable at the "locals' bars". With a couple of exceptions, there are few Americans around if any. Blaring latin music and dancing. You will get a special hustle from the wait staff who hyperventilate at the sight of a gringo customer thinking their annual income is about to double and their oldest hijo will go to college after all. They can suffocate you if you don't know how to deal and get along without letting them take over your prerogatives.

The good news is all the chicas want you too though you need to avoid the aggressive ones. You can find relatively "normal" mexicanas in these bars. FOBs who will remind you of non-pros in SoCal. You need to work them to gain simpatico and then you are in for an ultimate and economic all night fiesta with a less onerous bar fine. It will take some time to build "confianza" not to mention that the house and the chica want you there to milk your wallet for ficha drinks for a while before she agrees to take off with you. So an investment is usually required up front with a new chica for you but you can draw boundaries and the in-bar ficha time can be a fantastic over the edge party that sets the tone for a fantastic long term hotel marathon. So if you just ask a girl you don't know to go to the hotel, its most likely going to be mechanical wham bam which is fine enough for many, but yo, no. So it should be fairly obvious that the more Spanish you have at your disposal the more fun you're going to have and the pace of simpatico building will be accelerated. Virtually none of the chicas in the smaller locals' bars speak any English. Not a good game for guys who just want to fuck. My game after almost 20 years of carousing Tijuana is that I have no agenda but to have a good time. I want to party in the bars and go with the flow. Almost always turns out to be an excellent story with a good beginning, hot middle and blissful final act.

Some times you want to go with the flow but numbers are easy to get so the best way to go is to be there for at least a couple of nights. The chicas you meet in a bar on night one can visit you at your hotel on day 2 without your having to pay a bar fine. They take the day off to be with you or see you off shift. Not so great to take them after their shift is over from these locals bars since you can expect them to be ready to fall into a drunken coma once they get relaxed with you in bed and maybe the coma comes while your dick is in one of their orifices. I've had 3 chicas pass out with my dick in their mouth. Not really a good thing! Better to meet them when they're sober and have a few drinks together to achieve a most useful level of adjustment.

SGs are another option. Many won't leave their own spot and usual hotel with a stranger for the sake of security, but if you can get silly with them on the street and make them laugh they can thaw out pretty quickly. Some others just won't leave because their Padrote would not be too happy about them leaving the known zone and probably earning less on an overnighter than calming 15 erections for 15 minutes at a time. But if you find a good and willing SG, and there are plenty among the mobs who are out there on weekends, an offer of $100-150 or even less for overnight hours may seem irresistible and actually desirable to relax in a comfortable room for hours at a time with just one erection to administer to. You could even invest in a cheap short term session with the chica which will give her a chance to get comfortable enough with you to take it on the road for something more special. Don't do business with "walkers" who are messed up English speaking drugged out deportees or just on the run. Don't do business with "helpful" intermediaries and guides who speak English. They are also deportees, drug addicts and dealers and the policia will note that you have bad taste in amigos.

Best hotels right in the middle of the zona action are Cascades which is shared by HK and Las Chaveles bar next door, and Hotel Coahuila which is the Adelita Hotel. Both have been remodeled and modernized. Still at least slightly a 3rd world experience but completely comfortable. I have had enough of that chaos after many years and prefer to use a luxury hotel named Hotel Ticuan which is about a half mile from the zona norte on Calle 8 between Revolucion and Constitucion. Google and make online reservations. Should be pretty full this weekend though. This is the heart of the downtown (Centro) district these days with all kinds of other action available including interesting mexican hipster bars and the giant Las Pulgas dance club which draws literally more than 10,000 local revelers on weekend nights and pounds hard into and past the sunrise. P4 P options also available in this area. 10-15 minute walk to the zona norte or $3-4 taxi ride. Zona chicas love to spend the night in this hotel. Staying in a luxury hotel is a currency substitute. Getting them to leave may be the problem!

Sorry for going on so long off topic but I haven't skimmed the surface. Tijuana curious mongers should check out the specific Tijuana message boards plus the International Sex Guide for giant data bases of information and guides to what can be a very complex maze of opportunities beyond the standard Hong Kong Club hit and run play. In the end, only repeated long term visits over time and acquisition of conversational spanish will open up the full Tijuana experience.[/QUOTE]

I was planning to ask about Dos and Don'ts on the AMP visit a few days ago and forgot about it. Now the news on [URL]www.myredbook.com[/URL] being shut down remind me to ask. There has been usage of acronym and crypt-ed massage here which has been complained and defended. I believe that the crypt-ed message help the site to be under the radar. Yet, if they are not impossibly hard for average person to find out, it won't be a big deal for the LEO to do so. However, these information will affect the AMP more than the visitor (let me know if I am wrong.).

What are the signs to look for caution? I have read in some post not to ask things explicitly but let them go naturally. So saying "full service and (just) BJ" should be safe<? After verbal agreement of full service and if she didn't do _full service_, don't insist (and don't pay the tip), just leave quietly. Is there any other advices? Thanks.

I was planning to ask about Dos and Don'ts on the AMP visit a few days ago and forgot about it. Now the news on [URL]www.myredbook.com[/URL] being shut down remind me to ask. There has been usage of acronym and crypt-ed massage here which has been complained and defended. I believe that the crypt-ed message help the site to be under the radar. Yet, if they are not impossibly hard for average person to find out, it won't be a big deal for the LEO to do so. However, these information will affect the AMP more than the visitor (let me know if I am wrong.).

What are the signs to look for caution? I have read in some post not to ask things explicitly but let them go naturally. So saying "full service and (just) BJ" should be safe<? After verbal agreement of full service and if she didn't do _full service_, don't insist (and don't pay the tip), just leave quietly. Is there any other advices? Thanks.

The attorneys can weigh in on this, but the indictment is over the top. There is no way the funds being wired to and fro were solely from prostitution, they were moving millions, and I cannot believe a little dumpy website like MRB made that much. Perhaps they were actually pimping girls, taking a cut, etc. But the "travel act" (this is the federal law that makes it a federal crime to send $$$ in the mail or by wire transfer if the bucks related to a crime, essentially nationalizing crime) violation are all based on the funds being in furtherance of prostitution. I assume that any site taking a cut would want to review the indictment.

[QUOTE=Jlvtd;2135808]I was planning to ask about Dos and Don'ts on the AMP visit a few days ago and forgot about it. Now the news on [URL]www.myredbook.com[/URL] being shut down remind me to ask. There has been usage of acronym and crypt-ed massage here which has been complained and defended. I believe that the crypt-ed message help the site to be under the radar. Yet, if they are not impossibly hard for average person to find out, it won't be a big deal for the LEO to do so. However, these information will affect the AMP more than the visitor (let me know if I am wrong.).

What are the signs to look for caution? I have read in some post not to ask things explicitly but let them go naturally. So saying "full service and (just) BJ" should be safe<? After verbal agreement of full service and if she didn't do _full service_, don't insist (and don't pay the tip), just leave quietly. Is there any other advices? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Just remove your clothing and lay on the table without placing a towel over year. I will usually just sit on the table facing them so they can see everything. That right there tells them you're not LE. An undercover cop can't commit a crime (undressing is a lewd act) in order to arrest someone for a crime. That said, a few cops have done just that and lied about it. But the vast majority of LE run things by the book, so this rarely happens.

Once I'm undressed, I tell them exactly what I want. Which is "No massage, let's get to the good stuff. Take you clothes off and get on the table. " I'll also reach out and touch their boob or ass to give the some reassurance. If they're resistant, I leave, knowing they're too uptight or spooked to perform acceptably for me. I've rarely had any gal turn me down during this situation.

[QUOTE=DashBelli;2139575]. That right there tells them you're not LE. An undercover cop can't commit a crime (undressing is a lewd act) in order to arrest someone for a crime. .[/QUOTE]I don't know where you get this, but it is untrue.

Law Enforement is in fact even allowed to use drugs when working undercover.

Police are allowed to lie to you, to use drugs, to get naked, and even to fuck prostitutes. Note though that when they fuck a prostutite, they don't bust the prostitute. They are after the madam / pimp.

Nevertheless, the assumption that a guy pulls out his dick is therefore not a cop is absolutely, utterly false.

[QUOTE=CreamyBare;2139786]I don't know where you get this, but it is untrue.

Law Enforement is in fact even allowed to use drugs when working undercover.

Police are allowed to lie to you, to use drugs, to get naked, and even to fuck prostitutes. Note though that when they fuck a prostutite, they don't bust the prostitute. They are after the madam / pimp.

Nevertheless, the assumption that a guy pulls out his dick is therefore not a cop is absolutely, utterly false.[/QUOTE]My information comes directly from a friend who worked vice for many years. My cousin, a cop in NY, agrees with him. Like I said, a minority of cops blur the lines, but the majority of the arrests are clean because it's fairly easy to do so.

[QUOTE=CreamyBare;2139786]I don't know where you get this, but it is untrue.

Law Enforement is in fact even allowed to use drugs when working undercover.

Police are allowed to lie to you, to use drugs, to get naked, and even to fuck prostitutes. Note though that when they fuck a prostutite, they don't bust the prostitute. They are after the madam / pimp.

Nevertheless, the assumption that a guy pulls out his dick is therefore not a cop is absolutely, utterly false.[/QUOTE]Lie, for sure OK. Get naked, maybe not illegal but WAY WAY beneath the dignity of a cop to aid what is usually no more than a misdemeanor arrest for a victimless crime. Its rarely going to happen. Keep in mind that LE's job in the system is only to gather evidence and make arrests. Prosecutors have all the discretion when it comes to filing charges and bringing cases to trial, and no prosecutor wants to try a minor crime with evidence of naked cops having sex with some desperate immigrant girl. Neither do the judges or juries want to see cases like that. So this kind of LE behavior is deterred as a practical matter and there's no glory in it.

Cops can use snitches or hired 3rd parties who can get away with what cops can't or won't do. All they need is the recorded words of contract. I. e. Solicitation of sex for money. No dicks need to be hardened and no pussies need to be penetrated. Cop fucking a prostitute: I can't claim to know for certain if its legal or not but damn close to certain that it isn't. But if a cop is going to keep his goods covered 99.99% of the time, then he's not fucking anybody for the sake of a low level arrest either. I'd like to see how a judge and jury would react to that kind of evidence in a criminal trial. That's a tainted prosecution. Not happening.

It's a different story if your Donnie Brasco undercover as a made man trying to get evidence to bring down a major organized crime family and you fuck the Don's wife to get her to talk to you. But cops fucking for minor prostitution arrests, not happening.

I recall the prosecution of strip club owner Randy Welty (Tropical Lei, Flesh, Hawaii Theatre) a few years ago in San Bernardino following a bust of Flesh which was in that city. The cops were feverishly after this guy after he had dodged prior prosecutions the way John Gotti used to do in NYC federal court. They sent in hired "private detectives" not connected to the department and they brought in the evidence LE needed, but the case was nearly upended when it was revealed that the detectives had actually had sex with dancers at Flesh. They had actually been required to promise the cops that they wouldn't take it that far and would only gather the solicitation evidence. They had the recorded "words of contract" which was all they were commissioned to obtain, but still fucked the girls and why? Because they were fucking horny, and they admitted this! The case was nearly thrown out for this irregularity, but ultimately the judge let the the case move forward and Welty was convicted.

Another factor in this case is the investigation wasn't focused on busting dancers for solicitation, but nailing Welty for essentially being a pimp. But still the legitimacy of the 3rd party gathered evidence was seriously questioned and if I remember correctly, San Berdu actually considered prosecuting the detectives for crossing the line and possibly did so. But its pretty obvious where this would have gone if it was actual police officers who were testifying and presenting media of themselves doing the deed. Point is that this kind of LE behavior is vanishingly rare and can never be anticipated as a realistic scenario.

One more little sidebar: It is illegal in California for a massage therapist to massage a customer if they are not fully "draped" on the massage table. So these MPs are guilty of at least this minor violation if they lay a hand on your back while your bare butt stares them in the face. This is the real m. O. For LE going after MPs in SoCal. They just harass them to where they can't stay in business at a particular location via a series of minor busts that don't include any prostitution charges. Not properly draping patrons, condoms on premises, unlicensed therapists or licenses not prominently displayed, et al. It has been very infrequent in these times for MP providers to actually take a bust for solicitation.

[QUOTE=NighTowl85;2121493]Did Jenny from Long Beach change her number? Has anyone seen her this past week? ANy info on her?[/QUOTE]I haven't seen her in a while. Is she still providing? How do you get hold of her if her phone is disconnected?

[QUOTE=CresProphet2;2141135]I haven't seen her in a while. Is she still providing? How do you get hold of her if her phone is disconnected?[/QUOTE]Yes, any info is appreciated.

[QUOTE=TheCamel;2140885]Lie, for sure OK. Get naked, maybe not illegal but WAY WAY beneath the dignity of a cop to aid what is usually no more than a misdemeanor arrest for a victimless crime. Its rarely going to happen. Keep in mind that LE's job in the system is only to gather evidence and make arrests. Prosecutors have all the discretion when it comes to filing charges and bringing cases to trial, and no prosecutor wants to try a minor crime with evidence of naked cops having sex with some desperate immigrant girl. Neither do the judges or juries want to see cases like that. So this kind of LE behavior is deterred as a practical matter and there's no glory in it.

Cops can use snitches or hired 3rd parties who can get away with what cops can't or won't do. All they need is the recorded words of contract. I. e. Solicitation of sex for money. No dicks need to be hardened and no pussies need to be penetrated. Cop fucking a prostitute: I can't claim to know for certain if its legal or not but damn close to certain that it isn't. But if a cop is going to keep his goods covered 99.99% of the time, then he's not fucking anybody for the sake of a low level arrest either. I'd like to see how a judge and jury would react to that kind of evidence in a criminal trial. That's a tainted prosecution. Not happening.

It's a different story if your Donnie Brasco undercover as a made man trying to get evidence to bring down a major organized crime family and you fuck the Don's wife to get her to talk to you. But cops fucking for minor prostitution arrests, not happening.

I recall the prosecution of strip club owner Randy Welty (Tropical Lei, Flesh, Hawaii Theatre) a few years ago in San Bernardino following a bust of Flesh which was in that city. The cops were feverishly after this guy after he had dodged prior prosecutions the way John Gotti used to do in NYC federal court. They sent in hired "private detectives" not connected to the department and they brought in the evidence LE needed, but the case was nearly upended when it was revealed that the detectives had actually had sex with dancers at Flesh. They had actually been required to promise the cops that they wouldn't take it that far and would only gather the solicitation evidence. They had the recorded "words of contract" which was all they were commissioned to obtain, but still fucked the girls and why? Because they were fucking horny, and they admitted this! The case was nearly thrown out for this irregularity, but ultimately the judge let the the case move forward and Welty was convicted.

Another factor in this case is the investigation wasn't focused on busting dancers for solicitation, but nailing Welty for essentially being a pimp. But still the legitimacy of the 3rd party gathered evidence was seriously questioned and if I remember correctly, San Berdu actually considered prosecuting the detectives for crossing the line and possibly did so. But its pretty obvious where this would have gone if it was actual police officers who were testifying and presenting media of themselves doing the deed. Point is that this kind of LE behavior is vanishingly rare and can never be anticipated as a realistic scenario.

One more little sidebar: It is illegal in California for a massage therapist to massage a customer if they are not fully "draped" on the massage table. So these MPs are guilty of at least this minor violation if they lay a hand on your back while your bare butt stares them in the face. This is the real m. O. For LE going after MPs in SoCal. They just harass them to where they can't stay in business at a particular location via a series of minor busts that don't include any prostitution charges. Not properly draping patrons, condoms on premises, unlicensed therapists or licenses not prominently displayed, et al. It has been very infrequent in these times for MP providers to actually take a bust for solicitation.[/QUOTE]With respect, you're not entirely correct. Cops around the country fuck prostitutes all the time. Here's one example of a state trying to make it illegal to fuck in the course of an investigation and the police backlash:

[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/20/hawaii-law-police-sex-with-prostitutes_n_5003715.html[/URL]

Because myredbook is not longer in service, anyone know any pregnant girl how need help or in the business.

I know it's strange but it is a personal fetish. Or a lactating pair of boobs!

Thanks!

[QUOTE=DashBelli;2139575]Just remove your clothing and lay on the table without placing a towel over year. I will usually just sit on the table facing them so they can see everything. That right there tells them you're not LE. An undercover cop can't commit a crime (undressing is a lewd act) in order to arrest someone for a crime. That said, a few cops have done just that and lied about it. But the vast majority of LE run things by the book, so this rarely happens.

Once I'm undressed, I tell them exactly what I want. Which is "No massage, let's get to the good stuff. Take you clothes off and get on the table. " I'll also reach out and touch their boob or ass to give the some reassurance. If they're resistant, I leave, knowing they're too uptight or spooked to perform acceptably for me. I've rarely had any gal turn me down during this situation.[/QUOTE]Thanks for answering but all the answers unfortunately do not address the main question / concern. All the answers talk about how LE (can) bust AMP but not about the visitors.

The concern is: As a visitor going to the well known AMP, is there a chance to run into issue with LE (I am not worrying about the AMP at all and we are not talking about unknown street walker (potential undercover) here) ? If so, what are Dos and Don'ts to avoid it.

[QUOTE=MovieLawGuy;2141523]With respect, you're not entirely correct. Cops around the country fuck prostitutes all the time. Here's one example of a state trying to make it illegal to fuck in the course of an investigation and the police backlash:

[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/20/hawaii-law-police-sex-with-prostitutes_n_5003715.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I was only discussing the venue of this thread, Southern California. I don't even want to speculate about the other 49 states, Puerto Rico, Guam and the Virgin Islands! :

Also, I don't believe I asserted that I know for a fact that cops getting their fuck on is illegal and in fact stated scenarios where it very well may be legal and tolerated (that is the undercover in the mob scenario as an example. Something where the stakes are high enough to justify the behavior not to mention where the undercover's own safety may be compromised if he doesn't go along with peer pressure that comes with the undercover assignment).

My main point is that as a practical matter it isn't going to be happening in SoCal to get a misdemeanor collar on a working girl. Even if legal, prosecutors, judges and juries don't respect or want to charge and convict on this kind of evidence. It would be a scandal as it was in the example I cited involving the prosecution of Club Flesh. Cops having sex with prostitutes for a victimless crime bust leaves an intolerably unpleasant taste even in the mouths of anti-prostitution zealots. Nobody wants to see it or would condone it including ministers, rabbis, mayors, saints, polluters and environmentalists. Vice cops aren't even themselves anti-prostitution zealots, they are more typically lying hypocrites who just need the work and the funding.

When cops fuck sex workers in SoCal one of 2 scenarios are involved. The first is they are like you an I, paying for play as civilians because it's fun and makes them happy. The second are the corrupt sons of bitches who take advantage the girls by using the badge to extort free sessions, and that is a way too common scenario around here.

[QUOTE=Jlvtd;2141879]Thanks for answering but all the answers unfortunately do not address the main question / concern. All the answers talk about how LE (can) bust AMP but not about the visitors.

The concern is: As a visitor going to the well known AMP, is there a chance to run into issue with LE (I am not worrying about the AMP at all and we are not talking about unknown street walker (potential undercover) here) ? If so, what are Dos and Don'ts to avoid it.[/QUOTE]Yes there is a chance to run into an issue with LE but in Los Angeles the odds are similar to those of the Houston Astros to win the World Series for the next 5 years straight. It does happen slightly more frequently than leap year that some local PD will take over an MP with undercovers sending all the regular workers home, and turn the joint into a TV studio to capture customer solicitation on audio and video. Nobody's getting laid to make the case. Conversations will be invited and when the poor rube on the table finally says "I'll pay $60 for a BJ" the bust is on.

It is difficult for LE to pull this off in this area because basically, they'd need to have a bunch of asian female undercovers who can do a good job faking a strong accent or pretending they don't speak English. You don't see USA born caucasians or African Americans in the local MPs, and rarely do you even see USA born asian girls, though I've known several who came here very young and were essentially raised here and accents are minimal. USA born latinas at times, but a guy usually knows what ethnicity he's going to encounter when he walks in.

If you see white or AA girls working as managers or masseuses, you've either stepped into a sting operation or maybe you walked into Massage Envy by mistake. Turn around and leave. You can be absolutely sure that undercover FEMALE cops will not get naked or allow themselves to be fondled. The most they will do with your dick is catch a usually involuntary glimpse if it can't be avoided and they can't make a deal with you before you come out of your drawers. Probably won't even massage your back if you're naked though they may insist on applying the draping as many actual working girls do until they've decided that you aren't LE.

I know some guys on this site err on the side of caution and if anything in the place seems out of whack they turn around and leave. I once decided not to make an appointment when I called a favorite AMP and the call was answered by a caucasian sounding woman who read off a list of caucasian sounding female names as the day's roster. Told her the "therapist" I'm looking for is not on her list and said goodbye. Turned out I was over cautious and the place was business as usual according to my faves. Never a bad thing to err on the side of caution, but not something you can reasonably expect to encounter. At least if you're not a believer in the chances of the Houston Astros.

[QUOTE=Jlvtd;2141879]Thanks for answering but all the answers unfortunately do not address the main question / concern. All the answers talk about how LE (can) bust AMP but not about the visitors.

The concern is: As a visitor going to the well known AMP, is there a chance to run into issue with LE (I am not worrying about the AMP at all and we are not talking about unknown street walker (potential undercover) here) ? If so, what are Dos and Don'ts to avoid it.[/QUOTE]Educate yourself to reduce it. Found this info with a simple search.

LEO was using retired officers back in the Inglewood days. I sorta remember being told they paid for FS, and had it during the preliminary investigations. Of course on the day of the raid, they just recorded the magic words sex acts for money), the masseuse was already familiar with the uc so didn't hesitate, the officers swarmed.

[URL]http://mosquedalaw.com/BewareMasseusesandMassageParlorOwnersofViceUndercoverOperations.htm[/URL]

BEWARE MASSEUSES AND MASSAGE PARLOR OWNERS OF VICE UNDERCOVER OPERATIONS.

By:** Roman P. Mosqueda, Esq.

*.

*********** The City of Los Angeles has a proliferation of* Swiss and / or Thai massage parlors. * Young Thai or Swiss masseuses do body massage on* patrons for half hour at about $30.00 to $45.00, or an hour at about $50.00 to $60.00 or more.

*********** The LA Weekly and LA Express abound with advertisings of massage parlors. * **Some massage parlor owners team up with chiropractors, who do massages in their clinics by masseuses of various nationalities.

*.

Violations of Sections 647 (b).

*On Prostitution and 316 On Keeping.

A Prostitution House Of The Penal Code:

*********** The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) has a Detective Support & Vice Division that conducts prostitution investigations through undercover operations on massage parlors to determine violations:* (1)* of Section 647 (b) of the California Penal Code on solicitation, engaging, and agreement to engage in an act of prostitution and commission of an act in furtherance of the agreement; and (2) of Section 316 of said Penal Code on keeping an disorderly house for the purpose of prostitution or letting (leasing) any apartment or tenement to be used for prostitution.

*********** Violations of said Sections 647 (b) and 316 of the Penal Code are misdemeanor offenses, punishable by confinement in the county jail for not exceeding one (1) year and / or fine.

*********** Section 647 (b) thereof defines "prostitution" to include "any lewd act between persons for money or other consideration. ".

*.

Typical Vice Undercover.

Operation In Massage Parlor:

************A. **Conversation With Owner:

************ Vice undercover agents are trained in prostitution arrests by attending and completing the LAPD 40-hour vice school and formal roll call training sessions specific to prostitution (punished by said Section 647 (b)) and loitering for the purpose of prostitution (punished by Section 653.22 of the Penal Code), and lewd acts in public (punished by Section 647 (a) of the Penal Code). ********.

*********** In an actual criminal case handled by this Author at the Central Arraignment Court, Department 83, the Hon. Karla the. Kerlin, Presiding, on December 17,2008, the Arrest Report states the following investigation conversation between the Officer and the Thai owner of the massage parlor:

*********** "Defendant 1 (name withheld to protect his privacy):* Hello and welcome to****************************** (name of massage parlor)!

*********** Officer (name withheld to protect his privacy):* So you guys are (name of********************************************** massage parlor) also?

*********** Defendant 1:* Yes, we are combined as one. * We really got busy here so we**************************** decided to open another location.

*********** Officer:* Good. * How many girls do you have working today?

*********** Defendant 1:* I have two (2) here and three (3) downstairs.

*********** Officer:* So do the girls do anything different at each location?

*********** Defendant* 1:* They do the same just make you happy; I will give you the new girl so you can test her out!

*********** Officer:* I don't want to waste my money for nothing!

*********** Defendant 1:* If she don't take care of you let me know I have other girls here that will!

*********** Officer:* Okay I just want half / hour today because I am pushing for time!

*********** Defendant 1:* Okay $30.00!

*********** After the Officer paid with two (2) pre-recorded $20.00 bills, and Defendant 1 handed him $10.00 change, he was directed to a room and told to wait for the new girl.

************be. **Conversation With New Masseuse:

************ The new Thai girl had just arrived from Thailand about three (3) weeks earlier. * Wearing a red blouse with a yellow top and white pants (not the required uniform for licensed massage therapists), she entered the room and stated her name. * Her name is withheld to protect her privacy.

*********** She directed the undercover officer in plain clothes to remove his clothing. * The Officer, who has Department approval to disrobe, did so. * A client of this Author, she told this Author, that the Officer was covered by a towel.

*********** The following conversation between the Officer and the new masseuse is stated in the Arrest Report:

*********** Defendant 2:* Hi, my name is.

*********** Defendant 2* spoke very little English. * (Broken).

*********** Officer:* I have very little time today.

*********************** The Thai masseuse began to massage the Officer's upper back for******** approximately 1-3 minutes.

*********** Defendant 2:* So you come here a lot?

*********** Officer:* Just when I am stressed out at work!

*********** Defendant:* Want do you want today?

*********** Officer:* What can I get?

*********** Defendant 2:* Moving her right hand in an up / down motion. * I can't do anything else because you brought.

********************************* your cell phone inside.

*********** Officer:* So, all you can do is a hand job?

*********** Defendant 2:* Moved her head in an up / down motion.

*********** Officer:* So, how much for a hand job?

*********** Defendant 2:* $40.00.

*********** Officer:* Man, $40.00 for a hand job?

*********** Defendant 2:* I am new, I need to make money!

Arrests, Posting Of Bail.

And Release From Custody:

*********** Based on the actions and statements of the new Thai masseuse and the training and experience and results of the Officer's investigation, he formed the opinion that she was engaging in prostitution and had solicited him and agreed to perform sex acts in exchange for money.

*********** The arrest team and point / cover officers were notified that a violation had taken place. * Defendant No. 1, a part-time receptionist, who took the place of the owner who had left earlier after his conversation with the officer, was arrested for retrieving money, offering sexual favors, and having knowledge of the activity at the location, under said Section 316.

*********** And Defendant No. 2, the new Thai masseuse, was arrested for prostitution under said Section 647 (b). * Defendant No. 1 posted $500.00 cash bond and was released from custody; and Defendant No. 2 posted $2,000.00 cash bond, and was likewise released.

Arraignment Of Defendants No. 1.

And No. 2 At Central Arraignment.

Court (Departments 81 and 83):

*********** This Author was informed by the bailiff in Department 81 that the name of Defendant No. 1 was not in the court calendar for December 17,2008. * A check with the criminal law clerk at the Clerk's Office revealed that no complaint was filed by the City Attorney against him.

*********** Indeed, Defendant No 1 was and is not the owner of the massage parlor, only a part-time receptionist. * He was wrongly arrested. * The City Attorney apparently rejected the recommended charge under said Section 316. *****.

*********** Defendant No. 2 was charged with a Misdemeanor Complaint by the City Attorney, with Count I of loitering in a public place with the intent to commit prostitution under Section 653.22 of the Penal Code and Count II of soliciting, engaging, and agreeing to engage in prostitution under said Section 647 (b).

*.

Plea Bargaining And Sentencing.

Under Section 647 (h), Penal Code:

*********** This Author, informed the Deputy City Attorney assigned to Department 83 that his Thai masseuse client had told him that:* (1) the Officer tried to get her consent to do a hand job, but she refused; (2) she hardly speaks English, only three (3) weeks in the United States at the time of the incident; and (3) she has no prior arrest nor conviction.

*********** This Author also discussed the immigration consequences of conviction for prostitution, a crime involving moral turpitude, which the client insisted did not occur, with the Deputy City Attorney.

*********** Considering that it would be her word against that of a Vice Officer, and that the jury would likely believe the Officer over a Thai tourist, unlicensed masseuse, she agreed to plead no contest to the crime of loitering in a private property under Section 647 (h) of the Penal Code, not a crime involving moral turpitude, for no jail time, 24 months of summary probation, 10 days of Caltrans community work with two (2) days of credit, stay away from the massage parlor, aids education, and $245.00 of court fines.

*********** The understanding Deputy City Attorney agreed to the no contest plea to the added Count III, and dismissed Counts I and II. * The Thai masseuse was sentenced accordingly by Judge Karla the. Kerlin.

************(The Author, Roman P. Mosqueda, is a past participant of the Trial Advocacy Program (TAP) of the Los Angeles City Attorney's Office, a member of the California Public Defenders Association, and has practiced criminal defense for over twenty (20) years* in California.).

[QUOTE=TheCamel;2141995]Yes there is a chance to run into an issue with LE but in Los Angeles the odds are similar to those of the Houston Astros to win the World Series for the next 5 years straight. It does happen slightly more frequently than leap year that some local PD will take over an MP with undercovers sending all the regular workers home, and turn the joint into a TV studio to capture customer solicitation on audio and video. Nobody's getting laid to make the case. Conversations will be invited and when the poor rube on the table finally says "I'll pay $60 for a BJ" the bust is on.

It is difficult for LE to pull this off in this area because basically, they'd need to have a bunch of asian female undercovers who can do a good job faking a strong accent or pretending they don't speak English. You don't see USA born caucasians or African Americans in the local MPs, and rarely do you even see USA born asian girls, though I've known several who came here very young and were essentially raised here and accents are minimal. USA born latinas at times, but a guy usually knows what ethnicity he's going to encounter when he walks in.

If you see white or AA girls working as managers or masseuses, you've either stepped into a sting operation or maybe you walked into Massage Envy by mistake. Turn around and leave. You can be absolutely sure that undercover FEMALE cops will not get naked or allow themselves to be fondled. The most they will do with your dick is catch a usually involuntary glimpse if it can't be avoided and they can't make a deal with you before you come out of your drawers. Probably won't even massage your back if you're naked though they may insist on applying the draping as many actual working girls do until they've decided that you aren't LE.

I know some guys on this site err on the side of caution and if anything in the place seems out of whack they turn around and leave. I once decided not to make an appointment when I called a favorite AMP and the call was answered by a caucasian sounding woman who read off a list of caucasian sounding female names as the day's roster. Told her the "therapist" I'm looking for is not on her list and said goodbye. Turned out I was over cautious and the place was business as usual according to my faves. Never a bad thing to err on the side of caution, but not something you can reasonably expect to encounter. At least if you're not a believer in the chances of the Houston Astros.[/QUOTE]I don't believe in the chances of the Houston Astros! With that, let's err on the side of caution! Thanks Camel!

[QUOTE=MovieLawGuy;2141523]With respect, you're not entirely correct. Cops around the country fuck prostitutes all the time. Here's one example of a state trying to make it illegal to fuck in the course of an investigation and the police backlash:

[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/20/hawaii-law-police-sex-with-prostitutes_n_5003715.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Sorry to beat on this horse one more time. I already responded to MovieLawGuy's comment above and I didn't see a response that he did that has been deleted by the Admin.

I just want to make a final observation that the link MLG cited above goes contrary to his assertion that police around the country fuck prostitutes all the time. Speaking in the context of actual condoned law enforcement and not corruption. We know they corruptly fuck prostitutes all the time.

If you read the Huffington article MLG linked, it indicates that Hawaii is the ONLY jurisdiction in the USA That may permit a police undercover to have sex with the subject of a prostitution investigation, and many there are trying to end the practice though also indicating its hardly if ever been exercised. The article runs exactly contrary to MLG's statement that it's happening all over the country all the time. The final key quote in the article as follows:

Skeptics (skeptical of the authority provided by Hawaii's law), such as Roger Young, a retired special agent who for more than 20 years worked sex crimes for the FBI from Las Vegas and has trained vice squads around the country, remain unconvinced.

Young said Thursday, "I don't know of any state or federal law that allows any law enforcement officer undercover to penetrate or do what this (Hawaii) law is allowing".

[QUOTE=Christophe1;2142041]Educate yourself to reduce it. Found this info with a simple search.

LEO was using retired officers back in the Inglewood days. I sorta remember being told they paid for FS, and had it during the preliminary investigations. Of course on the day of the raid, they just recorded the magic words sex acts for money), the masseuse was already familiar with the uc so didn't hesitate, the officers swarmed.

[URL]http://mosquedalaw.com/BewareMasseusesandMassageParlorOwnersofViceUndercoverOperations.htm[/URL]

************(The Author, Roman P. Mosqueda, is a past participant of the Trial Advocacy Program (TAP) of the Los Angeles City Attorney's Office, a member of the California Public Defenders Association, and has practiced criminal defense for over twenty (20) years* in California.).[/QUOTE]Hi Christophe.

I have been looking around and saw that you are quite active on the LACAP forum and at the time of my browsing you are moderating on the thread. You seem to know quite a few of them personally too from the posts I have read (My hat off to you!) (oh your writing also is good! I have also been browsing a bit else where and someone complain about the provider promoting aggressively and him getting such message at work meeting. I was wondering if we can use some secure tools to prevent that. A secure communication. Now I know that when LE take over the whole business for Sting like Camel describe, you can't do much. Still. I have recently heard of the smartphone app Threema. I don't know if it will help. Anyhow here are more info on the app.

[URL]https://threema.ch/[/URL]

[URL]https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/threema/id578665578?mt=8[/URL]

[URL]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.threema.app&hl=en[/URL]

[URL]http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/21/bye-bye-whatsapp-germans-switch-to-threema-for-privacy-reasons/[/URL]

Happy 6th of July.

* Considering that it would be her word against that of a Vice Officer, and that the jury would likely believe the Officer over a Thai tourist, unlicensed masseuse, she agreed to plead no contest to the crime of loitering in a private property under Section 647 (h) of the Penal Code, not a crime involving moral turpitude, for no jail time, 24 months of summary probation, 10 days of Caltrans community work with two (2) days of credit, stay away from the massage parlor, aids education, and $245.00 of court fines.

""So how much did this cost the city etc. Or a HJ by a girl who was willing to make some money. Time resources wasted. ".

[QUOTE=DashBelli;2140277]My information comes directly from a friend who worked vice for many years. My cousin, a cop in NY, agrees with him. Like I said, a minority of cops blur the lines, but the majority of the arrests are clean because it's fairly easy to do so.[/QUOTE]Your comments are anecdotal at best. I am a former journalist / columnist. My main subject of interest is civil liberties, and I've done quite a lot of research in this specific area.

Other posts in is thread have demonstrated the point: police are allowed (normally with prior administrative approval) to engage in activities to maintain their cover, including but not limited to using drugs, getting naked, and having sex.

The Supreme Court has upheld this, and there are plenty of times that law enforcement agencies have inserted "agent provocateurs" (see FBI cointelpro).

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Is Jenny from long beach sill active? Has anyone seen her this month or last month?

What do they mean when the girls in the ads say they are a spinner?

[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spinner[/url]

[QUOTE=NighTowl85;2160146]Is Jenny from long beach sill active? Has anyone seen her this month or last month?[/QUOTE]She is not active.

[QUOTE=Tony1414;2160354]What do they mean when the girls in the ads say they are a spinner?

[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spinner[/url][/QUOTE]My understanding of a spinner is a very petite girl. The term comes from the ability to "spin" her on your shaft.

[QUOTE=JackReacher;2160428]She is not active.[/QUOTE]My guess was she changed numbers without forwarding the change on.

Went from UTR to civie again.

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Curent LA Best Practice to avoid MILF AMP / LE.

1) Should one disrobe prior to seeing the therapist?

2) What is the best way to reject MILF at AMP without hurting feelings?

3) What is the best current safe practice at AMP?

4) Thanks for considering my questions.

Does anyone have a guess as to the percentage of MILF in AMP practice in LA?

[QUOTE=CreamyBare;2144156]Your comments are anecdotal at best. I am a former journalist / columnist. My main subject of interest is civil liberties, and I've done quite a lot of research in this specific area.

Other posts in is thread have demonstrated the point: police are allowed (normally with prior administrative approval) to engage in activities to maintain their cover, including but not limited to using drugs, getting naked, and having sex.

The Supreme Court has upheld this, and there are plenty of times that law enforcement agencies have inserted "agent provocateurs" (see FBI cointelpro).[/QUOTE]

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