Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=RenMan;3055672]I disagree. If you've got game, you can have some nice scores. I've been fucking CIVILIAN women from CL. Not pros. Regularly, for years. So far this year I've fucked ten different women for the first time, and three regulars from years past. And many of these women were absolutely beautiful. Even a couple of "perfect 10's". Yes, I've had a few curvy ladies, but what they have lacked in physical attributes, they have made up for ten-fold in attitude. These pix are ALL real women I've fucked from CL over the past 12 months. I took most of the pix myself, and there are guys on this site who will vouch for me.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. Craigslist is hit or miss, but if you keep shooting you will inevitably meet someone and its worth it.

I only met one " free" chick off there and we talk to this day.

She is a Bbw in her early 30's, into anime and weird shit but she is extremely freaky and admitted to me that she LOVED sucking D and drinking nut.

I put her to the test that same day we met. I only had to spend about 16 for beer, 420 and food from wendys.

I sat back on the bed and she bobbed between my legs for over an hour nonstop until swallowing a huge load and she continued to suck until I was completely limp.

We would smoke, play games and then it would be back to sucking. She moved to Tennessee but we still talk and when she comes to visit I always have some warm baby batter for her.

Only thing is she's not pretty, and taller than me so I don't like being seen with her. Sleepovers were sooo fun, she would suck me to sleep and suck and swallow my morning load.

If she was a provider, shed be rich like Shelly!!

Quite frankly gents, its my opinion that the streets, BP, CL and all of the other venues for this hobby are horrible. I only speak for myself, but just last week alone, I walked away from 5 potential deeds because I simply refuse to give away my money to subpar providers. Now these tricks are lazy. They simply will post fake pictures online, rent a sleazy hotel, wait for the phone to ring, and expect $40 + for 15 mins of rushed service. When we start to walk away from the lazy hoes and loose time and not both time and money, these chicks will get the message. I read too many post about how a fellow monger gets to the spot and its not the chick in the ad, and they go through the deed anyways just because the little head takes over. It simply has to STOP. Otherwise we will all be penalized with half assed service.

[QUOTE=RenMan;3055672]I disagree. If you've got game, you can have some nice scores. I've been fucking CIVILIAN women from CL. Not pros. Regularly, for years. So far this year I've fucked ten different women for the first time, and three regulars from years past. And many of these women were absolutely beautiful. Even a couple of "perfect 10's". Yes, I've had a few curvy ladies, but what they have lacked in physical attributes, they have made up for ten-fold in attitude. These pix are ALL real women I've fucked from CL over the past 12 months. I took most of the pix myself, and there are guys on this site who will vouch for me.[/QUOTE]I will vouch for Ren and have been thankful to occasionally have benefited from his hardwork and research!

I totally agree with you, that's why I started scaling back on the details of the action being provided and the exact locations and etc. I even stop posting up pictures of the chicks also. Unless it's a body shot that can only show her azz or something else to that nature.

[QUOTE=CrefloDollar;3055988]Quite frankly gents, its my opinion that the streets, BP, CL and all of the other venues for this hobby are horrible. I only speak for myself, but just last week alone, I walked away from 5 potential deeds because I simply refuse to give away my money to subpar providers. Now these tricks are lazy. They simply will post fake pictures online, rent a sleazy hotel, wait for the phone to ring, and expect $40 + for 15 mins of rushed service. When we start to walk away from the lazy hoes and loose time and not both time and money, these chicks will get the message. I read too many post about how a fellow monger gets to the spot and its not the chick in the ad, and they go through the deed anyways just because the little head takes over. It simply has to STOP. Otherwise we will all be penalized with half assed service.[/QUOTE]

Hey I agree with you, unless some guy is willing to give his secret to his success. I personally know some people who got caught up in Craigslist sting even myself, I was a victim of azz and twinkie pictures from countless of gay men and for the love of God I posted in the men for women section and they still didn't care. I gave up after two weeks and I'm just being honest with you.

[QUOTE=TimBuckTwo;3054783]Craig's list has to be the WORST way to find women and sell anything in general because of all the scams and fly by night operations, let alone all the cops scouring to find regular John's and put them in the system, because once you are in you run a chance of never getting out! As the say on in living color MO MONEY, MO MONEY, MO MONEY! Craigslist is overated even if you do find something there it will be the type of chick that is not desirable to any one! Not to mention the gays, tyranny, and fake pics, a lot of these bitches from the past got jobs or another hustle to supplement income, you may be better off going to bars and strip clubs to find what you need as I have of late, which means sharpening your mouth piece (which I hate doing) don't know about you but talking to regular women overall is such a bore! I have nothing in common with the modern women except that we both like money but go about different ways to get it because of biological factors of course, but most women of today are some dumb down ding bats stirred by what ever media tells them is popular! It's hard to talk to any person of this mindset if you have a mind of your own.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CrefloDollar;3055988]Quite frankly gents, its my opinion that the streets, BP, CL and all of the other venues for this hobby are horrible. I only speak for myself, but just last week alone, I walked away from 5 potential deeds because I simply refuse to give away my money to subpar providers. Now these tricks are lazy. They simply will post fake pictures online, rent a sleazy hotel, wait for the phone to ring, and expect $40 + for 15 mins of rushed service. When we start to walk away from the lazy hoes and loose time and not both time and money, these chicks will get the message. I read too many post about how a fellow monger gets to the spot and its not the chick in the ad, and they go through the deed anyways just because the little head takes over. It simply has to STOP. Otherwise we will all be penalized with half assed service.[/QUOTE]I understand that these "providers" have to deal with rude, aggressive and entitled mongers / pimps. However outside of those issues, "escorting" is supposed to be an easy side hustle. Though many providers make things worst for themselves.

1) do what the hell you suggest or advertise in the ad. Stand by your principles and most mongers will understand and respect that.

2) give people the time they paid for. Stop being greedy for the next trick. Finish the one you have now!!

3) use your real and current pics, or don't post at all. Very simple.

4) respect a mongers hard earned chips!! He worked hard for it, you are getting it easy!!

5) put yourself into a monger's shoe. Do you like being scammed? Do you like being treated like crap? Do you want someone to make you waste your gas and time?

6) communicate with the monger. If you feel scared, just say it. If you changed your mind, just tell him!! If you're on your period, just say so!! Trust me, mongers will respect your honesty as they are humans too.

7) realize that you have it easy!! Just be nice for 15 minutes, how hard is that?

If providers followed those 7 guidelines, there would be greater harmony between both parties!!

At the end of the day, it's really an easy hustle. Just sit at home and let cash be directly delivered to you like fedex.

Because of greed and drugs, many providers refuse to do the bare minimum. They don't have to change because desperate simps will pay anyway.

There will always be tension between monger and provider, because one or the other won't do the right thing.

Finally, there are consequences to being greedy and heartless. It only takes one fed up monger to pull the plug on their operation.

I hope somebody can see my point of view here, and I'm not advocating violence or aggression towards anyone!!

What you guys think??

[QUOTE=BigMoney21;3056577] ... unless some guy is willing to give his secret to his success. ... [/QUOTE]Nope. Sorry. I will say that it really comes down to game. I seem to have it. Also patience. I almost never get spam, fakes or gays anymore. And I can spot them a mile away so they don't waste my time. My biggest problems are some who get cold feet (happens a lot), or "Catfish". Those are the worst. Because a good catfish artist is almost impossible to spot until you've wasted hours communicating with them.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3056812]

What you guys think??[/QUOTE]Yeah, I've given this some thought as well, and much of my thinking is along a similar lines: if these girls would just be PROFESSIONAL (basically the word for what you're saying), surely they would make more money, be safer, and just have a better life? All upside.

I've even thought of going in and actually doing something about it: launching a service which provides the business environment the girls need. Media buys, commercial banking etc. I used to do turnarounds; I'd find companies which were poorly run, buy them, fire everyone, fix the company, and then resell it. The diamonds I was looking for were companies in a position to make money (existing contracts and relationships, market position, etc) but which failed on the services and deliverables side, or which had excessive expenses; low-dollar escorting as a category tends to fail on services and deliverables, and while expenses isn't a big thing, cash management is. So it seems like a ripe area for a turnaround.

But then, I'm looking at the industry (LOL) from the client-side. It's actually possible that misrepresentation, shorting time, overbooking, etc. Is actually the best way to run those businesses. Weird thought, I know, but look at clients: escorting is an industry in which the client is often as bad as the provider; there's a reason, maybe, why each wants to scrape the other off their shoe and just go to the next one. So that thought, that maybe it's just a completely different (toxic) game, plus the legal liability, has kept me out of it.

Food for thought!

O.

Have had success through the years. You're right, you have to have some game but generally you can find some nice looking ladies out there. Just curious, that last pic looks like you're raw-doggin'. I've had some success with the civvies on CL wanting it bare. What's been your experience? - Stallion.

[QUOTE=RenMan;3055672]I disagree. If you've got game, you can have some nice scores. I've been fucking CIVILIAN women from CL. Not pros. Regularly, for years. So far this year I've fucked ten different women for the first time, and three regulars from years past. And many of these women were absolutely beautiful. Even a couple of "perfect 10's". Yes, I've had a few curvy ladies, but what they have lacked in physical attributes, they have made up for ten-fold in attitude. These pix are ALL real women I've fucked from CL over the past 12 months. I took most of the pix myself, and there are guys on this site who will vouch for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3057446]Yeah, I've given this some thought as well, and much of my thinking is along a similar lines: if these girls would just be PROFESSIONAL (basically the word for what you're saying), surely they would make more money, be safer, and just have a better life? All upside.

I've even thought of going in and actually doing something about it: launching a service which provides the business environment the girls need. Media buys, commercial banking etc. I used to do turnarounds; I'd find companies which were poorly run, buy them, fire everyone, fix the company, and then resell it. The diamonds I was looking for were companies in a position to make money (existing contracts and relationships, market position, etc) but which failed on the services and deliverables side, or which had excessive expenses; low-dollar escorting as a category tends to fail on services and deliverables, and while expenses isn't a big thing, cash management is. So it seems like a ripe area for a turnaround.

But then, I'm looking at the industry (LOL) from the client-side. It's actually possible that misrepresentation, shorting time, overbooking, etc. Is actually the best way to run those businesses. Weird thought, I know, but look at clients: escorting is an industry in which the client is often as bad as the provider; there's a reason, maybe, why each wants to scrape the other off their shoe and just go to the next one. So that thought, that maybe it's just a completely different (toxic) game, plus the legal liability, has kept me out of it.

Food for thought!

O.[/QUOTE]This guy is deep. If you write a book, I'm buying.

Have you ever watched The Girlfriend Experience tv show? It made me wonder why more girls don't choose the high end route. Seems like so much more money to be made with just an attitude adjustment and a new wardrobe.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3056812]I understand that these "providers" have to deal with rude, aggressive and entitled mongers / pimps. However outside of those issues, "escorting" is supposed to be an easy side hustle. Though many providers make things worst for themselves.

1) do what the hell you suggest or advertise in the ad. Stand by your principles and most mongers will understand and respect that.

2) give people the time they paid for. Stop being greedy for the next trick. Finish the one you have now!!

3) use your real and current pics, or don't post at all. Very simple.

4) respect a mongers hard earned chips!! He worked hard for it, you are getting it easy!!

5) put yourself into a monger's shoe. Do you like being scammed? Do you like being treated like crap? Do you want someone to make you waste your gas and time?

6) communicate with the monger. If you feel scared, just say it. If you changed your mind, just tell him!! If you're on your period, just say so!! Trust me, mongers will respect your honesty as they are humans too.

7) realize that you have it easy!! Just be nice for 15 minutes, how hard is that?

If providers followed those 7 guidelines, there would be greater harmony between both parties!!

At the end of the day, it's really an easy hustle. Just sit at home and let cash be directly delivered to you like fedex.

Because of greed and drugs, many providers refuse to do the bare minimum. They don't have to change because desperate simps will pay anyway.

There will always be tension between monger and provider, because one or the other won't do the right thing.

Finally, there are consequences to being greedy and heartless. It only takes one fed up monger to pull the plug on their operation.

I hope somebody can see my point of view here, and I'm not advocating violence or aggression towards anyone!!

What you guys think??[/QUOTE]Your spot on but #2 means something different for me. We all know were paying for sex not time. If we was paying for time then we couldn't complain if she pulls out the checkerboard for the allotted time and has meaningful dialog LOL. If I'm payi g fir hour then its up to me to find out before hand if I get multiple pops or if one and your out of there. Can and will they lie and rush you? Sure they will. If they do I never go back. I feel its my responsibility to control the sex I paid for. Being nice or pleasant is good business for them but I'm not there to become their best friend or an acquaintance to talk daily. The only correspondence I want from them is if touring an alert they will be back in the area. Just my take.

[QUOTE=Stallion6007;3057873]Have had success through the years. You're right, you have to have some game but generally you can find some nice looking ladies out there. Just curious, that last pic looks like you're raw-doggin'. I've had some success with the civvies on CL wanting it bare. What's been your experience? - Stallion.[/QUOTE]If it's the pic I'm thinking of, he's covered up. Just hard to tell I guess. But most of the civilians I've been with do want it bare. And often the only other guy they've been with was their hubby, so no worries on my part!

Only met two girls from Craigslist, and both of them tried to rob me with the old get a room scam. The first one made the news internationally, LOL.

[QUOTE=RenMan;3058148]If it's the pic I'm thinking of, he's covered up. Just hard to tell I guess. But most of the civilians I've been with do want it bare. And often the only other guy they've been with was their hubby, so no worries on my part![/QUOTE]Well Ren, it's obvious that you're established in the get-pussy-at-minimal-expense game. Care to share some of your tips for posting a CL ad or other strategies? And, do most of the ladies host or do you have to?

So I just thought I'd post this for all those who are burned out on the traditional methods.

I've been a member of Fling dot com for a few weeks and have had some very good success there. It cost me monthly to get full access but it has been worth it. I have posted very little about myself in the profile but allude to the fact that I'm cruising. It takes some thinking to process the fakes from the real ones but it is full of all age / looks brackets. The older (and sometimes more ugly) ones seem more receptive to free meets (I've had some very good BBBJ's where all the babies were gone for free, or minimal compensation) while the younger ones are more in line with BP pricing. All in all it has proven a very fertile hunting ground. I have met with girls in Alabama / Georgia & South Carolina and they are usually happy to meet in the middle somewhere if I don't want to go all the way there. If the convo is dragging on I will add something about being generous and that usually turns the trick.

Be safe and happy hunting!