General Reports

[QUOTE=Bottum;6139120]LakeGuy70 gave me the contact for his Greenville provider and after extensive textings, Pics exchanges, and a time set to meet she cancelled the day before our date. Apparently she wasn't the provider LakeGuy70 thought she was. I inquired about one of the services listed in her STG ad as well as one of the fetish I liked, that turned her off. LakeGuy70 said she'd do anything you asked!! Wasted a lot of my time setting up with her in advance only to be cancelled, told me family & job before hobby! BTW her GR STG pic & ad is easily found by putting in Greenville in the right corner of the search setting. Also LakeGuy70 said she's 44 but her STG ad said she 28. Not sure if I'm willing to drive clear to Greenville with all her drama. Bottum out.[/QUOTE]I too went thru a lot of back and forth communications with her but our schedules didn't align so I have not seen her.

Bottum, which ad is hers on STG? The pics LakeGuy sent me showed a tattoo above her right boob. I did not see that in the girl that showed frontal pics or are you talking about the girl that shows two pics of her behind? (interesting comment in that ad that said, "couple wants to sell her".

[QUOTE=Stroker417;6139539]I too went thru a lot of back and forth communications with her but our schedules didn't align so I have not seen her.

Bottum, which ad is hers on STG? The pics LakeGuy sent me showed a tattoo above her right boob. I did not see that in the girl that showed frontal pics or are you talking about the girl that shows two pics of her behind? (interesting comment in that ad that said, "couple wants to sell her".[/QUOTE]I too jumped through hoops to see Greenville girl finally set something up agreed day and time only to get crickets the day of. Not sure it's worth the effort. Unless you live in Greenville not sure it's worth the effort.

[QUOTE=Stroker417;6139539]I too went thru a lot of back and forth communications with her but our schedules didn't align so I have not seen her.

Bottum, which ad is hers on STG? The pics LakeGuy sent me showed a tattoo above her right boob. I did not see that in the girl that showed frontal pics or are you talking about the girl that shows two pics of her behind? (interesting comment in that ad that said, "couple wants to sell her".[/QUOTE]I deleted the pics that LakeGuy70 sent me so I really can not say for sure if the 42 yo lady is the same as the 28 yo, blonde with the frontal views are the same. I just assume they were the same since the STG blonde, age 28 posted very similar demands for intimate pics just like the 42 yo did in her texting with me. Both pics has similar facial similarities and were small BBWs. I agree the 28 yo provider had no tattoos on her boobs only pasties on her nipple. I have not seen the pic of the girl and her two ass pics. Besides how many ladies can be working out of Greenville? Does not matter since she cancelled and she an hour quarter away, not going to see her anytime soon. Bottum out.

[QUOTE=Bottum;6141600]I deleted the pics that LakeGuy70 sent me so I really can not say for sure if the 42 yo lady is the same as the 28 yo, blonde with the frontal views are the same. I just assume they were the same since the STG blonde, age 28 posted very similar demands for intimate pics just like the 42 yo did in her texting with me. Both pics has similar facial similarities and were small BBWs. I agree the 28 yo provider had no tattoos on her boobs only pasties on her nipple. I have not seen the pic of the girl and her two ass pics. Besides how many ladies can be working out of Greenville? Does not matter since she cancelled and she an hour quarter away, not going to see her anytime soon. Bottum out.[/QUOTE]I am so sorry guys, I thought she was ready, a few people freaked her out, I am seeing her tonight I will tell how much she disappointed all of us. Again. I am sorry. This board has helped me out throughout the years and I wanted to give back and it didn't work.

[QUOTE=LakeGuy70;6141739]I am so sorry guys, I thought she was ready, a few people freaked her out, I am seeing her tonight I will tell how much she disappointed all of us. Again. I am sorry. This board has helped me out throughout the years and I wanted to give back and it didn't work.[/QUOTE]Don't be too hard on her, I've had a few UTRs freak out because of pushy mongers.

A UTR is not a pro, if we want her to become a pro it will take patients from all of us.

LakeGuy told us she does everything he asks her to, they're obviously friends. This scenario will be played out over and over on this board.

YMMV is to be applied in every appointment. I actually feel bad for a girl that wants to enter the hobby then feels the need to recoil and run for the hills. Ummm was it something we said or did?

[QUOTE=Benz1;6142528]Don't be too hard on her, I've had a few UTRs freak out because of pushy mongers.

A UTR is not a pro, if we want her to become a pro it will take patients from all of us.

LakeGuy told us she does everything he asks her to, they're obviously friends. This scenario will be played out over and over on this board.

YMMV is to be applied in every appointment. I actually feel bad for a girl that wants to enter the hobby then feels the need to recoil and run for the hills. Ummm was it something we said or did?[/QUOTE]I have long-standing relationships with several of the girls where I live and some of the the stories I get from them relate a sorry state of affairs with mongers. Just because somebody's paying doesn't mean they have the right to treat an escort worse than the family pet. Some people should be embarrassed about the way they act but they're not. Yes these are the assholes that make life tough for all the rest of us and what puts YMMV in play in every date situation.

[QUOTE=Sailor42;6142597]I have long-standing relationships with several of the girls where I live and some of the the stories I get from them relate a sorry state of affairs with mongers. Just because somebody's paying doesn't mean they have the right to treat an escort worse than the family pet. Some people should be embarrassed about the way they act but they're not. Yes these are the assholes that make life tough for all the rest of us and what puts YMMV in play in every date situation.[/QUOTE]Maybe a no contact list should be started, I can ad a few to the list.

[QUOTE=Sailor42;6142597]I have long-standing relationships with several of the girls where I live and some of the the stories I get from them relate a sorry state of affairs with mongers. Just because somebody's paying doesn't mean they have the right to treat an escort worse than the family pet. Some people should be embarrassed about the way they act but they're not. Yes these are the assholes that make life tough for all the rest of us and what puts YMMV in play in every date situation.[/QUOTE]

I am actually genuinely surprised how often a provider, after out session, will thank me for being a gentleman. I tell them that all I do is say please, thank you, and ask if different things are okay to partake in. Most will say something to the effect of, No, you were a gentleman. I also can only imagine what else goes on. Thanks. Sandy

[QUOTE=Sandy51;6142734]I am actually genuinely surprised how often a provider, after out session, will thank me for being a gentleman. I tell them that all I do is say please, thank you, and ask if different things are okay to partake in. Most will say something to the effect of, No, you were a gentleman. I also can only imagine what else goes on. Thanks. Sandy[/QUOTE]I agree Sandy and Benz. I don't understand the demeaning treatment some of our providers receive. Especially, as Benz points out, the UTRs. Some time ago I posted that not all of us here should see a UTR. They are unique and deserve patience and nurturing. Likewise, if a dude wants fetish related services, he should steer clear of new providers. I'm actually kind of boring myself. I'm not looking for a gang bang or a finish that could be deemed demeaning. There are several options or fetishes I am somewhat curious about but haven't ventured there. I guess I'd rather not experience some things than run the risk of making a provider either uncomfortable or nervous.

You know I can be abrasive and aggressive on this board. But that stops when I enter the presence of a woman. I become almost timid. I've had very disappointing sessions a few times as a result, but I didn't argue or push. Nor did I withhold payment. I simply took it as a very valuable lesson learned and I won't see that provider again. But some of my favorite providers here tell me of mongers who try to push them beyond their clearly stated boundaries. Or withhold partial payment because the session wasn't nasty enough for his taste. One monger decided to pay a great provider half the cost because he had to wait 15 minutes for his 30 minute session. And another said a monger just left after the session saying he would CashApp her and of course he never did.

It's crazy that simple respect shown to a provider elevates a monger to most favored status simply by being kind, considerate, and fresh smelling. Benz brings chocolate too. I bring wine or lunch. It helps.

Reciprocate.

G2.

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[QUOTE=Gene2;6143016]I agree Sandy and Benz. I don't understand the demeaning treatment some of our providers receive. Especially, as Benz points out, the UTRs. Some time ago I posted that not all of us here should see a UTR. They are unique and deserve patience and nurturing. Likewise, if a dude wants fetish related services, he should steer clear of new providers. I'm actually kind of boring myself. I'm not looking for a gang bang or a finish that could be deemed demeaning. There are several options or fetishes I am somewhat curious about but haven't ventured there. I guess I'd rather not experience some things than run the risk of making a provider either uncomfortable or nervous.

You know I can be abrasive and aggressive on this board. But that stops when I enter the presence of a woman. I become almost timid. I've had very disappointing sessions a few times as a result, but I didn't argue or push. Nor did I withhold payment. I simply took it as a very valuable lesson learned and I won't see that provider again. But some of my favorite providers here tell me of mongers who try to push them beyond their clearly stated boundaries. Or withhold partial payment because the session wasn't nasty enough for his taste. One monger decided to pay a great provider half the cost because he had to wait 15 minutes for his 30 minute session. And another said a monger just left after the session saying he would CashApp her and of course he never did.

It's crazy that simple respect shown to a provider elevates a monger to most favored status simply by being kind, considerate, and fresh smelling. Benz brings chocolate too. I bring wine or lunch. It helps.

Reciprocate.

G2.[/QUOTE]This is a huge problem in the Detroit area as well! Some of the biggest problems I witnessed over the years is more of a cultural issue and complete lack of respect for a woman in general. Add in the mentality that you're spending money for a service or services and the human element goes right out the window. This has been a huge problem in the SC scene since the mid 90's and has progressively gotten worse and moved into the escort and SW worlds as well.

I do my very best to treat everyone the way that I want to be treated and even go above and beyond when it comes to females. I consider this hobby to be a relationship builder, whether with providers or fellow mongers! I have the mindset that no relationship is ever going to be completely equal or 50/50 but damn it should be close. Asking your provider if she needs anything when you're on the way is a great way to build that relationship. If she takes advantage of you or doesn't appreciate it, then move on. This is where I believe some of the older providers shine, they're more appreciative and notice the little things and it usually makes for a better experience. When I had more time, I would visit some random dive bars and approach any female that appeared to be by herself and that I found somewhat attractive and offer to buy a drink and have a conversation with her and many times after a few drinks, off to the parking lot for some fun!

We need to do a better job of taking care of our providers that already take care of us and try to reach out to the newer younger providers to try to make a difference in their lives as well! Just my. 02 Remain Safe everyone!

What both of you are missing!

The abuse of new UTR and other New providers is intentional. The predator is very focused on the New providers so they can fullfil a fantasy and dominate them. Hoping they're unable to get away and they're usually right.

Their intentions are very different from ours, typing how it should be on this forum won't change any of them. They're hoping more of us help create trust so the provider has her guard down.

This is why they need to have help and guidance from other providers or us.

If a new provider doesn't have help, she will not stay in the hobby, too many creepy guys.

[QUOTE=Benz1;6153246]What both of you are missing!

The abuse of new UTR and other New providers is intentional. The predator is very focused on the New providers so they can fullfil a fantasy and dominate them. Hoping they're unable to get away and they're usually right.

Their intentions are very different from ours, printing how it should be on this forum won't change any of them. They're hoping more of us help create trust so the provider has her guard down.

This is why they need to have help and guidance from other providers or us.

If a new provider doesn't have help, she will not stay in the hobby, too many creepy guys.[/QUOTE]Benz. I really wish you were wrong on this assessment. However I have to admit that my small pool of experience in this arena testifies to the validity of your statement. I just detest the lack of dignity and respect afforded to these women.

And for once in my life, I am at a loss for words to say more.

G2.

[QUOTE=Gene2;6153264]Benz. I really wish you were wrong on this assessment. However I have to admit that my small pool of experience in this arena testifies to the validity of your statement. I just detest the lack of dignity and respect afforded to these women.

And for once in my life, I am at a loss for words to say more.

G2.[/QUOTE]This hobby is no different than what women have to deal with daily unless they've been privileged to meet MR Right. This hobby and our members bring this a little more in focus because we meet the down trotted and vulnerable.

Easy pickup for all predators everywhere, not just here.

[QUOTE=Benz1;6153492]This hobby is no different than what women have to deal with daily unless they've been privileged to meet MR Right. This hobby and our members bring this a little more in focus because we meet the down trotted and vulnerable.

Easy pickup for all predators everywhere, not just here.[/QUOTE]It's just disturbing to me. I thoroughly enjoy women. And I thoroughly enjoy women who cater to my needs and desires. And gratitude and respect are so easily given by us men, if we just think about it. And that kindness and respect is so well rewarded by these women. To have a beautiful woman tell me I'm appreciated. And then show it with maybe an extra special session, or feature, or wardrobe. It just seems so nice. And I know it's a lot of the sales job. But damn. It feels nice. And it's depressing to think some guys go the opposite direction. Demean and disrespect.

G2.