"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=Forxpp1;6475474]Hi! Guys, what is the normal expectation if you take them on a trip? Covering trip cost is a must. Do you still pay them? And how much normally. Thanks![/QUOTE]Never done that, but trying to figure it out myself. I don't want to spend $2 k extra on the trip, but it adds up quickly. I am thinking of taking a road trip to CO and I car camp a lot out there. But my sb likes to rent a campervan sometimes so I figure could fly her out there and pay for her food and gas, but not sure I want to pay for her campervan rental, for the entire time. Maybe she can take a longer trip and just spend a few days with me, as part of it. Anyway, I think you can come up with any kind of offer you want, and they can choose to accept it, or not.

I just need to figure out how much it's worth it to me, to have her out there. And also it's risky because what if she doesn't feel well, or I don't, or the weather is bad, etc. So it's a gamble, but that's always the case, to some degree.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddio;6474358]Wondering if anyone is going to try and hook up with this retired porn star. Curious what kind of damage she would require and more important what the experience will be with her. Personally I'm not going to try as I'm positive it will be too rich for me LOL. Maybe we will get lucky and someone will give us a report out.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/473c810b-a531-4e55-add2-dfd15892773d[/URL]

May the pussy be with you.

SD.[/QUOTE]$3500 plus gifts. I asked how many times a month does that get and she said I can tell based on your reply you can't afford me I only date millionaires.

Anyone have intel on this chic? She's been around for several years, surely one of you guys have nailed her. PM if necessary.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0ffb1b16-f9e2-48d4-8339-f7ecc8fc2215[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lookinatl;6476766]$3500 plus gifts. I asked how many times a month does that get and she said I can tell based on your reply you can't afford me I only date millionaires.[/QUOTE]She's probably right. Anytime you have some girl who is an 8 or 7 asking for 500 or more PPM and acts shocked when you don't offer it remember THESE are the girls, actual models and pornstars, who command that kind of arrangement. Which is great, because if Jeff Bezos and his friends are seeing these girls then they AREN'T seeing my 8/10 single moms, which means they have to keep prices reasonable in order to see those of us with reasonable budgets.

[QUOTE=Loop285;6475948]Thanks to everyone who answered my question and provided advice. I have one additional question. I had a friend about 5 years ago tell me if I was ever interested in creating a SA profile one day to never use my real pictures. They said people normally use pictures that look reasonably close to them. Is this true?[/QUOTE]I don't put my real pic on the site. I have someone else's pic and have the face heavily blurred. I do send real pics over text, but they are not posted anywhere online and I run all pics through fawkes first [URL]https://sandlab.cs.uchicago.edu/fawkes/[/URL] So far my testing indicates fawkes does work. Even though I keep my social media set to private, I've modified all of my various profile pics to be cloaked with Fawkes.

[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;6477082]I don't put my real pic on the site. I have someone else's pic and have the face heavily blurred. I do send real pics over text, but they are not posted anywhere online and I run all pics through fawkes first [URL]https://sandlab.cs.uchicago.edu/fawkes/[/URL] So far my testing indicates fawkes does work. Even though I keep my social media set to private, I've modified all of my various profile pics to be cloaked with Fawkes.[/QUOTE]Read the Fawkes site carefully. Cloaking the pic you send a girl does no good. The ones you must cloak are the ones they use to form the neural net that recognizes you, which you also said you do.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6477542]Read the Fawkes site carefully. Cloaking the pic you send a girl does no good. The ones you must cloak are the ones they use to form the neural net that recognizes you, which you also said you do.[/QUOTE]This is true. I searched several pics I used to share with SBs, even one with sunglasses, and the site immediately linked up to pictures that identify me personally. It's too late to cloak the pictures that are already out there on the web for me professionally. I'm very hesitant to share any face pics now with potential SBs.

Interesting. I play in the DC area and have noticed of late many more SBs are wearing sunglasses in their primary picture. I guess word is getting out about facial recognition technology. Even if sunglasses do not protect you.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6477605]This is true. I searched several pics I used to share with SBs, even one with sunglasses, and the site immediately linked up to pictures that identify me personally. It's too late to cloak the pictures that are already out there on the web for me professionally. I'm very hesitant to share any face pics now with potential SBs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6477542]Read the Fawkes site carefully. Cloaking the pic you send a girl does no good. The ones you must cloak are the ones they use to form the neural net that recognizes you, which you also said you do.[/QUOTE]Put another way: All social media photo uploads must be cloaked.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6ec4760d-a9fe-417b-95a7-d1d8bc9fd458[/URL]

Wants $$ for "meets until a relationship is established".

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ec521f35-3111-4060-98a3-4e302f9d7098[/URL]

Doesn't want to talk about anything, at the start, except ppm and said she got $1000 from the last guy. Hard pass.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6478375]Put another way: All social media photo uploads must be cloaked.[/QUOTE]Too late for that, unfortunately. This brave new world certainly has its drawbacks.

I uploaded the pics I sent out to girls, to facecheck.id and it came back with my Meetup.com profile that I must have made 15 years ago, and for some stupid reason, put my real name on it. I changed it now, but not sure how much that helps.

Met a girl sugar baby in the hotel, she does not give BJ and also condoms. How do I convince her for bare and head? She says she don't do it.

Do you guys book hotel with your name? They ask I'd so. How do you manage the bookings and keep it secret?

[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;6479230]Met a girl sugar baby in the hotel, she does not give BJ and also condoms. How do I convince her for bare and head? She says she don't do it.

Do you guys book hotel with your name? They ask I'd so. How do you manage the bookings and keep it secret?[/QUOTE]Always book hotels in your name. If shit goes south, at least they'll know who to put the blame on. If a chic doesn't want to give head, just flash your money in front of her face, use some "game" like most of these guys on here do, and push her head down on your bare boner. Tell her it taste like grandma's chicken! Also, tell her your prick is as clean as a babies ass and sweet talk her into bare like most of your comrades on here do. Good luck!

[QUOTE=Loop285;6475948]Thanks to everyone who answered my question and provided advice. I have one additional question. I had a friend about 5 years ago tell me if I was ever interested in creating a SA profile one day to never use my real pictures. They said people normally use pictures that look reasonably close to them. Is this true?[/QUOTE]It's safer to use someone else's picture that just looks similar to you. Even when you move to text messages, what's to stop them from uploading your picture to some website or using it to find out who you really are.

Like one other person posted, Facecheck. I'd does a damn good job in finding matches of your picture on other social media sites.

Just noticed a link for another site "What's your price?" linked below on the login screen of SA. Wouldn't that be fucking nice if we could just get to that level from the start? Anyone tried it? I'm not opposed to taking one for the team if I don't hear any reports.

[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;6479230]Met a girl sugar baby in the hotel, she does not give BJ and also condoms. How do I convince her for bare and head? She says she don't do it.

Do you guys book hotel with your name? They ask I'd so. How do you manage the bookings and keep it secret?[/QUOTE]I don't think we really have a choice, and have to book the hotel in our name, in most cases. They usually check my DL when I get there. I have been to some hotels that don't check I'd, so with those you could book the room through [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] with any name, and use [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] gift card to pay for it. Of course that could be the day that they insist on seeing your I'd, but it could work.

And you want to check all the important details with the sb, long before you get to the hotel. Of course they can still lie, and "change their mind" at any point, but at least it makes it slightly more difficult for the to do so, if they have agreed to it, if you have text right there to show them.

If you read back through the forum, you'll find WYP has been around for ages. It's owned by the same person who owns SA. Several problems with it:

1. It's based on a credits system. No one has said that it's very efficient.

2. Because of the credits system there have been many who feel that there are lots of fake profiles on there to get guys to spend more credits.

3. The WYP part is explicitly just for platonic dates. You are expected to pay just for meeting with a lady. There have been stories of successfully getting to intimacy, but those are VERY few and VERY far between.

Bottom line. It's the considered opinion of almost everyone on the board that it's a waste of time and money.

Of course, others may have a different opinion.

Good hunting!

Travelin.

[QUOTE=PeoplePleasur;6480031]Just noticed a link for another site "What's your price?" linked below on the login screen of SA. Wouldn't that be fucking nice if we could just get to that level from the start? Anyone tried it? I'm not opposed to taking one for the team if I don't hear any reports.[/QUOTE]

When I arrived hotel. LEO was hiding in the parking. Maybe he was checking his tv and hiding, I took a shot and played careful, never shared room number picked her at elevator, hide the number. Always checking if she takes up her mobile and send details to someone. But after some time with her all suspicious is over. I was thinking someone come and knock door. It did not happen. This is first time for me.

Fucked had dinner and again fucked. She said she is going to sleep and go home in the morning. I left her own and went home. Maybe next time I should not do that. Learning learning.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6480045]I don't think we really have a choice, and have to book the hotel in our name, in most cases. They usually check my DL when I get there. I have been to some hotels that don't check I'd, so with those you could book the room through [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] with any name, and use [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] gift card to pay for it. Of course that could be the day that they insist on seeing your I'd, but it could work.

And you want to check all the important details with the sb, long before you get to the hotel. Of course they can still lie, and "change their mind" at any point, but at least it makes it slightly more difficult for the to do so, if they have agreed to it, if you have text right there to show them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6477542]Read the Fawkes site carefully. Cloaking the pic you send a girl does no good. The ones you must cloak are the ones they use to form the neural net that recognizes you, which you also said you do.[/QUOTE]Even before I swapped my social pics with cloaked ones, when I did a search using a cloaked pic it wasn't able to find me. I also filled out the form on pimeyes to not track / index my face and that was pretty painless. I haven't done that with any of the other sites, but I probably will.

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I just checked again on facecheck.id with two cloaked images and neither could find me. The only thing I did with my social media pics is to change my profile pic for google, facebook and linked-in to cloaked images. I didn't do every pic I've ever uploaded, but I also keep Facebook set to only friends and I'm not all that active on any site. It's definitely a risk, but I have been burned by girls getting really upset about being catfished so I will generally send a real pic unless the person has given me a reason to be warry of them.

[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;6480473]Even before I swapped my social pics with cloaked ones, when I did a search using a cloaked pic it wasn't able to find me. I also filled out the form on pimeyes to not track / index my face and that was pretty painless. I haven't done that with any of the other sites, but I probably will.

Edit:
I just checked again on facecheck.id with two cloaked images and neither could find me. The only thing I did with my social media pics is to change my profile pic for google, facebook and linked-in to cloaked images. I didn't do every pic I've ever uploaded, but I also keep Facebook set to only friends and I'm not all that active on any site. It's definitely a risk, but I have been burned by girls getting really upset about being catfished so I will generally send a real pic unless the person has given me a reason to be warry of them.[/QUOTE]Could you give a "cloaked picture" definition or how to do it?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/39771a9b-fa48-434c-bf38-835e0f77771d[/URL]

This one wants you to send $150 "so I know I can trust you" & then she'll schedule a meetup. Offered to meet for coffee or maybe lunch, but she had to have that $150 first. Actually had a lot of messages with her about all this, but in the end she could provide no explanation on what mutual benefit I get for doing that.

I have also been talking to atlgagirl today. She's been unfavorably mentioned here before due to GPS. I never got that far today. As I usually do, once we switched to text, I blocked her on the site (hence why I didn't put up a link). Boy, did that get her fired up. She said "eliminating means of communication is a control tactic. " Oh. Ok. I smell a big rat with her. So, what I've learned is that--whether or not she's major GPS--she's a lunatic. Avoid like the plague.

[QUOTE=LogJammin18;6481032]Could you give a "cloaked picture" definition or how to do it?[/QUOTE]Search for a site at the University of Chicago called "Fawkes". They have a tool that you can run any photo through. It prevents that photo from being used to develop a facial recognition map for searching the internet for your other photos. It needs to apply to as many of your photos that are 'out there' to prevent pimeyes, etc. , from using yet another picture that you may have supplied to a POT (even if it has never ever been on the internet) as the basis to search out your real identity.

I have posted a lot on this over time, search my handle. I have also gone through the process w / the two main site and asked them to exclude me from search results. That can be done w / out having any sort of paid membership. I cannot be located through them at this time. However, we will just have to stay alert, as new sites pop up, we'll have to do the same with each and every one of them if we want SBs not to be able to identify us IRL through facial recognition.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6478988]Too late for that, unfortunately. This brave new world certainly has its drawbacks.

I uploaded the pics I sent out to girls, to facecheck.id and it came back with my Meetup.com profile that I must have made 15 years ago, and for some stupid reason, put my real name on it. I changed it now, but not sure how much that helps.[/QUOTE]Well try this:. Upload your cloaked pic to facecheck-id and see if you still get matched.

[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;6480473]Even before I swapped my social pics with cloaked ones, when I did a search using a cloaked pic it wasn't able to find me. I also filled out the form on pimeyes to not track / index my face and that was pretty painless. I haven't done that with any of the other sites, but I probably will.

Edit:
I just checked again on facecheck.id with two cloaked images and neither could find me. The only thing I did with my social media pics is to change my profile pic for google, facebook and linked-in to cloaked images. I didn't do every pic I've ever uploaded, but I also keep Facebook set to only friends and I'm not all that active on any site. It's definitely a risk, but I have been burned by girls getting really upset about being catfished so I will generally send a real pic unless the person has given me a reason to be warry of them.[/QUOTE]I've done the same as you. So it sounds like cloaked pics can never be matched with other pics. That's good enough for me.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6481201]Well try this:. Upload your cloaked pic to facecheck-id and see if you still get matched.[/QUOTE]You need to read the Fawkes site. The purpose of cloaking is to prevent the sites from building a model of your face that they can then use to search the internet. Nothing more.

[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;6480473]Even before I swapped my social pics with cloaked ones, when I did a search using a cloaked pic it wasn't able to find me. I also filled out the form on pimeyes to not track / index my face and that was pretty painless. I haven't done that with any of the other sites, but I probably will.

The only thing I did with my social media pics is to change my profile pic for google, facebook and linked-in to cloaked images. [/QUOTE]Oh yeah, that sounds like the rational course of action, and not sure why I didn't think of it. I should certainly do this with my main FB pics and maybe delete some of the other ones on there, although if other people have me tagged, won't help much there. I have that [URL]meetup.com[/URL] acct that I may just delete and start from scratch with a cloaked pic. I haven't even gone an event in years. And definitely going to opt out of any photos, on group hikes or similar.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6481207]I've done the same as you. So it sounds like cloaked pics can never be matched with other pics. That's good enough for me.[/QUOTE]This is incorrect. Running a cloaked picture through pimeyes will still find matches to uncloaked pictures that are already out there on the web. Fawkes' website specifically says that this won't protect you. I've tried it. I ran a cloaked picture through pimeyes and it still found the matches to my uncloaked work pictures that were already out there.

Cloaking only works consistently if you cloak all of the pictures out there on the web that pimeyes uses to build a database on you. It usually will not work if you merely cloak the picture that you share with a SB.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6481609]
Cloaking only works consistently if you cloak all of the pictures out there on the web that pimeyes uses to build a database on you. It usually will not work if you merely cloak the picture that you share with a SB.[/QUOTE]I will have to submit a takedown request for both facecheck and pimeyes, as well. I wonder how much of your DL do they really need? I'm going to black out a lot of it.

And there are these sites, but are there others out there? And certainly will be many more in the future. Going to be a game of whack-a-mole, but just the way it is.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6481608]Oh yeah, that sounds like the rational course of action, and not sure why I didn't think of it. I should certainly do this with my main FB pics and maybe delete some of the other ones on there, although if other people have me tagged, won't help much there. I have that [URL]meetup.com[/URL] acct that I may just delete and start from scratch with a cloaked pic. I haven't even gone an event in years. And definitely going to opt out of any photos, on group hikes or similar.[/QUOTE]Changing the main profile pics on FB et al. Will do most of the work, if you keep the rest of your social media profile private. I updated all my main pics yesterday. Of course it takes a while to propagate thru the system. Going forward make sure all public facing photos are cloaked.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6481609]This is incorrect. Running a cloaked picture through pimeyes will still find matches to uncloaked pictures that are already out there on the web. Fawkes' website specifically says that this won't protect you. I've tried it. I ran a cloaked picture through pimeyes and it still found the matches to my uncloaked work pictures that were already out there.

Cloaking only works consistently if you cloak all of the pictures out there on the web that pimeyes uses to build a database on you. It usually will not work if you merely cloak the picture that you share with a SB.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I suppose we are all screwed in some capacity. All we can do is take corrective action going forward.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6482258]Thanks for the info. I suppose we are all screwed in some capacity. All we can do is take corrective action going forward.[/QUOTE]'Corrective action' is deleting social media and not having your pictures and personal information all over the internet. This shit is going to get worse, much worse, and social media is made for women not dudes. Life improves when you delete all that trash.

There's no reason to even have your picture on LinkedIn, and certainly not having it visible to everyone. Masking pictures is a temporary fix to a permanent problem and it won't be effective for very long.

[QUOTE=PrinceOfFools;6482829]'Corrective action' is deleting social media and not having your pictures and personal information all over the internet. This shit is going to get worse, much worse, and social media is made for women not dudes. Life improves when you delete all that trash.

There's no reason to even have your picture on LinkedIn, and certainly not having it visible to everyone. Masking pictures is a temporary fix to a permanent problem and it won't be effective for very long.[/QUOTE]This isn't accurate for many professions. Service professionals (doctors, lawyers, consultants, accountants, etc.) are typically required by their firms to have pictures with names and bios on practice or company webpages. Many executive teams are required by their companies to do the same. LinkedIn bios with pictures are often a valuable tool to make connections for sales prospects or for potential job changes.

On the bright side, many of these professions pay well enough that we can “simp” by overpaying to outbid some of you when we want to close a deal with a hot young sugar baby. (Just kidding. Sort of.)

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6305760]I'm not 100% sure, but I think SucculentSweetheart is a woman I saw several times about three years ago. Her body was smoking hot. She had curvy hips and nice tits but wasn't fat at all. She was really tight for both vaginal and anal. She didn't really like to kiss, which is the main reason why I stopped seeing her. She seemed disinterested when I was DATY, so I only did it once and didn't keep at it for very long. I really can't be certain it's the same woman because I don't have any old pictures of her to compare. But your comment about her not liking DATY makes me think it's her. She didn't host. She always drove to my hotel room.[/QUOTE]Succulent sweetheart is still around. A new profile now. She gained some weight. But she is available.

[QUOTE=PrinceOfFools;6482829]'Corrective action' is deleting social media and not having your pictures and personal information all over the internet. This shit is going to get worse, much worse, and social media is made for women not dudes. Life improves when you delete all that trash..[/QUOTE]No, social media is not made only for women, and nor is it all trash. I don't use LinkedIn, and the only social media site with my real identity is Facebook. And it serves a good purpose, to help me keep in touch with family and friends all over the world, as well as participate in different groups and communities, like hiking, collectibles, etc. Sure, if you only use FB to stalk your ex-gf, then it isn't useful or healthy, but for those of us who are a bit more multi-faceted, it works great.

And actually, what do you think USAG is? This is social media as well, to a large extent. Just like Twitter or Instagram or Reddit, where you don't have to use your real name.

[QUOTE=PeterPan;6482953]Succulent sweetheart is still around. A new profile now. She gained some weight. But she is available.[/QUOTE]Does anyone have a pic or a link to her new profile? Sounds familiar; I think I may have seen her before.

[QUOTE=BrownSugaTwo;6482968]Does anyone have a pic or a link to her new profile? Sounds familiar; I think I may have seen her before.[/QUOTE]YMMV with Succulent Sweetheart (Rose). PP has had some good times with her, but I saw her once and she was acting like a low class hooker and rushing me to finish, after just 5 minutes. She also asked for the $$$$ up front, and took a phone call and said "I'm with a client". So not the best attitude or service. Maybe I got her on a bad day, but can not recommend, even though she looks good. Again, YMMV.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6482891]
On the bright side, many of these professions pay well enough that we can simp by overpaying to outbid some of you when we want to close a deal with a hot young sugar baby. (Just kidding. Sort of.)[/QUOTE]You are confused. I don't remember reading one comment on here that called a guy a "simp", who overpaid to get some action from a sb. Simps are the ones who give the girls money for nothing.... to buy their pics or just act nice to them.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6483104]You are confused. I don't remember reading one comment on here that called a guy a "simp", who overpaid to get some action from a sb. Simps are the ones who give the girls money for nothing.... to buy their pics or just act nice to them.[/QUOTE]I didn't mean to imply that you use the term "simp" to mean overpaying. It could be a wrong use of the term. I'm not sure. But I'm certain that others have used the term that way in debates concerning the topic of overpaying.

A couple examples:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?14265-quot-Sugar-Babies-quot-and-quot-Arrangements-quot&p=4873825&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4873825.

EDIT -- Link didn't work. Here's a quote: "I earn upwards of 70 k, with no debt, children, and I'm under 30. That's enough money to afford the over-priced providers. I just refuse to be a simp."

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?14265-quot-Sugar-Babies-quot-and-quot-Arrangements-quot&p=3990256&highlight=simp[/URL]#post3990256.

EDIT -- Link didn't work. Here's a quote: "Some simp probably did pay the 600 and now she feels she is worth it."

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6483232]I didn't mean to imply that you use the term "simp" to mean overpaying. It could be a wrong use of the term. I'm not sure. But I'm certain that others have used the term that way in debates concerning the topic of overpaying.

A couple examples:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?14265-quot-Sugar-Babies-quot-and-quot-Arrangements-quot&p=4873825&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4873825.

EDIT -- Link didn't work. Here's a quote: "I earn upwards of 70 k, with no debt, children, and I'm under 30. That's enough money to afford the over-priced providers. I just refuse to be a simp."
[/QUOTE]Ok I stand corrected that no one had used it that way. But I do think that someone who can afford to "overpay" is much more often considered a "player" or a "whale" than simp-like.

The worst are the submissive "findom" guys who get off on being used for their money, and don't get anything sexual in return. But if someone is extremely wealthy and can afford to pay $1000 for a smoking hot 21 y/o, then good for them, and it's certainly not pathetic simp behavior.