"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1901886]UTR's and pro's do serve a purpose (or two). Hey I live with one. LOL. But getting a fresh girl that's beholdin to you alone is the ultimate prize.[/QUOTE]Gentlemen,

I wasn't commenting on pros or UTRs in general or in particular. I completely understand their place in the grand spectrum of this intersexual playground. I was only saying that, in my opinion, they are not what the Bowl is about.

I believe we are operating in a tiny little subset of the grand sexual playground that exists out there, and for me, at least, I see the Bowl as the most complex, frustrating, skill-intensive and at the same time non-professional of the many, many ways of scoring pussy.

All this said, I also believe that each brother should feel comfortable with how they approach these little fish, and in fact what kind of fish they are happy to land. Personally, I am after that most elusive of quarry, the wild trout, but that's just me. If occasionally I hook a carp, well, that's the nature of the sport, and I throw it back. To stretch the analogy beyond its breaking point, we can debate to the end of time whether a fresh fingerling can sometimes grow up to be a carp, but that's beside the point. If she does, that was her destiny, and if I happen to hook her by accident I'll still throw her back. Another angler may be more than happy to land her, and more power to him.

In the end, we each must find our own personal comfort level. For me, "scoring" escorts, however they may disguise themselves, is not why I'm a Bowler - again, no judgement implied. We are all trying our best to live our lives, and I admire sincere effort whatever it looks like.

In other news, I am half-way to New Orleans, and half-way to a (hopefully) wonderful reunion with my Obsession. When I last saw her, she was talking about falling in love with someone other than me, (asshole) and thinking about cutting me off from the awesome pussy that she possesses, but I am hoping that the combined charm of Big and Little Scottie will more than serve to open the thighs.

Wish me luck,

Scott.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1674626]Amateur: A person who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.

SB fits under this definition. Is being a SB her profession? If the answer is no she is a amateur.

Prostitution: The business or practice of providing sexual services to another person in return for payment.

SB fits under this definition also. Because she is in the practice of providing sexual services to another person in return for payment. See Hernado's definition: "seeks a relationship providing intimate services; blah, blah, blah"

A SB becomes a prostitute by definition the moment she accepts money for the "practice of providing sexual services to another person." If she is exclusive to you she becomes your "personal sexual service provider".

Is she an Amateur Prostitute? Yes she is. If she is a SB as a pastime rather than as a profession.

Gentlemen, let's not engage in self deception here. A strict interpretation of the definition leaves no room for whimsical rationalization of thought. We are all men here. Let's stick to logic and leave emotion to the our wives, girlfriends, SO's and SB's.

I am prepared to Stand and take my grade!

SubCmdr Out![/QUOTE]Reference is made to my original post #2626.

I hope this forum continues to respect the diversity of thought and ideas expressed here.

SubCmdr.

Quality is a relative thing. It can be quantified. It can be measured. But in the bowl. Maybe not so much. It is more subjective. More about what you like and don't like. And those things can change. I bring this up. Since I am having a quality thing staring me right in the face.

I got contacted this week by a POT off of SDforme that looked on paper really good. She did not have a photo up (which can many times be a good thing shows real discretion). She had a nice simple profile. We started chatting on text and having a real good conversation. She signed her texts with the word "Ariyana" I had to look it up. In the urban dictionary (not a good sign) but I am an optimist. The definition is "The Prettiest girl with the best personality. She is the center of attention and you always notice she's in the room. She is definitely not shy or never intimidated. She is strong with a big heart." So I thought wow look what I have here.

Then I ask for some photos. She sent me several. Lets just say her interpretation and mine of the definition above are totally different. She is not bad looking but not that great. Cute but only soso. I would give her a 7/7. And the attitude was even worse maybe a 6. She became non responsive after a while. Started asking for lots of material things. And so I thought I am not interested any more but I will play. I offered her 100 and she said her bottom limit was 150. Not too expensive but not quality. Why bother. Why go through the aggravation. I don't like braggars, especially when they can't follow through. I don't like nasty attitudes. If she was cute but had a really fun and funny personality, super sexual and adventurous, I may give her a spin. But there was no reason. Plus she may be some kind of UTR who knows. I will never find out. Now compare to my current setup:

I literally could not fuck my Venezuealan baby enough yesterday. She is all over me. I was exhausted after two hours yesterday. All the time I had. When I left. I apologized because I forgot to go to the ATM and only had 100 of her usual 150. She could not be more gracious. "don't worry about it" "it does not matter" etc. I will pay her on next visit. But honestly I do not need to.

Or my little girl next door baby. She is going through some awful personal issues and she is really strapped for money. I have repeatedly offered to help her. And she has refused. On our last visit I did not even give her the 200 sugar. And she said it was ok. Not concerned about getting it next time.

And each time I see them. They get more beautiful and they want me more. This is quality.

Sometimes life is good.

Revvo.

Brand new to the game but have read through the majority of the thread.

Met a 19 year old HCB this week for a M&G which turned into a lunch date.

Went on a second date the following day proceeded to some making out, a little tittie action and her giving me a lame HJ and then her watching me finish it. Terms of the arrangement haven't been discussed thus far and no sugar exchanged as I didn't see any services rendered.

Today I get some messages asking for $300 for an expense she has. I decline and say that I'm prepared to pay her a $100 a date once our relationship progresses to the next level. She comes back asking for at least some money for the time we hung out and is put off with the notion of only being paid if we hook up. And I quote;

"so my company on our dates wasn't pleasant? Are you only going to pay me when I touch your penis like I'm some kind of prostitute?"

How to proceed? It seems as if she's agreeable to $100 a visit and she's smoking hot 19 year old.

I do some real estate investing and have often wondered about the business model of buying condo or townhouse (I'm from Atlanta and there's tons still available at foreclosure prices) and then finding a bunch of sugar daddies to use as an FC. The "rent" would be much less than a hotel and there would be no paper trail except Paypal statements. The things I haven't worked out in my mind are schedule and access management, keeping the place clean and neighbor problems with people traffic.

Maybe a lockbox with the key that I can change the access code to every month.

Maid service once a week to do laundry and the SD is responsible for changing the sheets and towels and cleaning up after themselves (kind of iffy).

Maybe a little ranch house instead, but more difficult to find in the desired price range in a nice neighborhood in Atlanta.

There was a movie in the 60's about 4 guys sharing an apartment and a girl... Trying to remember the name of it. One of those sex comedy romps, with no sex, popular at the time.

The things an addled and idle mind thinks about.

Happy Hunting!

Travelin.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1901060]

I'm looking at CL to rent a FC month to month. Anyone ever consider this? Any luck?

BigTigg[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;1902816]There was a movie in the 60's about 4 guys sharing an apartment and a girl... Trying to remember the name of it. One of those sex comedy romps, with no sex, popular at the time.

The things an addled and idle mind thinks about.

Happy Hunting!

Travelin.[/QUOTE]Had an arrangement like that with some buddies. They would use it to meet up for poker games, watching sports together, and fucking young mistresses and MILFS (I assume). That was before it was so easy to track everything and get caught. Those were the fucking days (pun intended)!

LL.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;1902816]I do some real estate investing and have often wondered about the business model of buying condo or townhouse (I'm from Atlanta and there's tons still available at foreclosure prices) and then finding a bunch of sugar daddies to use as an FC. The "rent" would be much less than a hotel and there would be no paper trail except Paypal statements. The things I haven't worked out in my mind are schedule and access management, keeping the place clean and neighbor problems with people traffic.

Maybe a lockbox with the key that I can change the access code to every month.

Maid service once a week to do laundry and the SD is responsible for changing the sheets and towels and cleaning up after themselves (kind of iffy).

Travelin.[/QUOTE]Lots of home locks now are key-pad or blue-tooth based and keep an audit trail. Looks better than a lock-box, and you can determine who the last SD was that didn't clean-up.

Perhaps take bitcoin rather than paypal. Less of a trail if the SD has kept his bitcoin wallet "clean".

The difficult part in your proposal is vetting the SD's.but otherwise I like it! .

I'm for it if the numbers work. Anyone have a proforma available to look at the numbers?

I have a 2 BR house which rents for $650 / month. I'm not sure what the utilities are costing the tenants but call the monthly expense $1000 including occasional maid service. That breaks down to $33 / day. A 3 Star Notel I use for my ATF costs $50 with plenty of privacy, an owner who looks the other way when pocketing the cash, and we walk out with the bed a mess. I don't see a big advantage unless the per diem cost is a lot lower.

[QUOTE=LandonR;1902814]Brand new to the game but have read through the majority of the thread.

Met a 19 year old HCB this week for a M&G which turned into a lunch date.

Went on a second date the following day proceeded to some making out, a little tittie action and her giving me a lame HJ and then her watching me finish it. Terms of the arrangement haven't been discussed thus far and no sugar exchanged as I didn't see any services rendered.

Today I get some messages asking for $300 for an expense she has. I decline and say that I'm prepared to pay her a $100 a date once our relationship progresses to the next level. She comes back asking for at least some money for the time we hung out and is put off with the notion of only being paid if we hook up. And I quote;

"so my company on our dates wasn't pleasant? Are you only going to pay me when I touch your penis like I'm some kind of prostitute?"

How to proceed? It seems as if she's agreeable to $100 a visit and she's smoking hot 19 year old.[/QUOTE]Pay the $ for the next date and see how it goes.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;1902816]I do some real estate investing and have often wondered about the business model of buying condo or townhouse (I'm from Atlanta and there's tons still available at foreclosure prices) and then finding a bunch of sugar daddies to use as an FC. The "rent" would be much less than a hotel and there would be no paper trail except Paypal statements. The things I haven't worked out in my mind are schedule and access management, keeping the place clean and neighbor problems with people traffic.

Maybe a lockbox with the key that I can change the access code to every month.

Maid service once a week to do laundry and the SD is responsible for changing the sheets and towels and cleaning up after themselves (kind of iffy).

Maybe a little ranch house instead, but more difficult to find in the desired price range in a nice neighborhood in Atlanta.

There was a movie in the 60's about 4 guys sharing an apartment and a girl... Trying to remember the name of it. One of those sex comedy romps, with no sex, popular at the time.

The things an addled and idle mind thinks about.

Happy Hunting!

Travelin.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.airbnb.com/[/URL]

I think you may have some competition.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1903024][URL]https://www.airbnb.com/[/URL]

I think you may have some competition.[/QUOTE]An excellent idea. Put your place on Airbnb, and then place ads here and else where that you're SD friendly. .

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1901342]Big shout out to Smokarz_XO! Got to give my brother his props. He schooled me on a new tactic that landed me two new babies in one day.

Brother Smokarz_XO you the the man!

SubCmdr.[/QUOTE]Brother. You are too kind.

I am still trying to find my ways around the bowl.

Smoke,

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1903023]Pay the $ for the next date and see how it goes.[/QUOTE]Walk away, you're not going to get laid with this girl.

[QUOTE=LuckyLou;1903219]Walk away, you're not going to get laid with this girl.[/QUOTE]She wouldn't be where unless she needed money. Pay the $ let us know.

[QUOTE=JMartinez;1903232]She wouldn't be where unless she needed money. Pay the $ let us know.[/QUOTE]Just because she needs the money doesn't mean she will hold up her end. If you pay her up front you are betting on the come, as they say in Vegas (doesn't mean YOU are going to come).