"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Brothers of the Bone.

I bring my greetings and salutations. I came across this wonderful thread about a week ago and have been reading it in detail daily since. I'm just about half way through this epic online adventure and was going to read through the whole thread before diving into the SB / SD world, however I couldn't wait to get started and jumped in with both feet a couple of days ago.

I first put out a couple of ads on various cities nearby on CL and within hours I had 10-20 viable leads. Thursday night I ended up having a M&G with one potential. She was not the hottest girl on the planet but would be an enjoyable romp. I did make a huge rooking mistake today as I drove about 2 hours to meet with a HYCB. I'm pretty good at detecting BS and her story seemed to jive, her pictures were great, communication was solid over the weekend. Made the trek this morning and what do you know. A no show. All was not lost though, as I RTFT and realized I need to always have a backup plan. I did and had a M&G with a 19 year old that I contacted through the SA site. That ended up turning into a nice lunch and out for cocktail date. She texted me back and said she's up for going out again in a few days so we will see where this goes.

Just wanted to share my experiences so far. Nothing to brag about yet, but I wish I realized how much fun this world was years ago. I was always intimidated by the cost to play, but realize there's fun at every budget. Couple of questions for some of you guys who have been doing this longer.

1. How do you handle the financial conversation? Try and delay as long as possible. Don't tell them at all? Tell them?

2. What's your normal "game" like? Just witty chit chat? Try and seduce them? Get right down to business?

3. If your only looking to snag a girl once for a 1 night stand do you tell them that, or lead them onto believe that it will be a long term thing when you know for sure it won't be.

Looking forward to contributing more in the future!

[URL]http://www.fresnobee.com/2013/10/12/3550807/ask-amy-sugar-daddy-on-the-prowl.html[/URL]

This advice will pretty much guarantee the end of any marriage.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1901193][URL]http://www.fresnobee.com/2013/10/12/3550807/ask-amy-sugar-daddy-on-the-prowl.html[/URL]

This advice will pretty much guarantee the end of any marriage.[/QUOTE]Wow. This is some interesting advice. She probably could have tried to get him the help without coming clean.

BT.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1901060]I'm looking at CL to rent a FC month to month. Anyone ever consider this? Any luck?[/QUOTE]No. Being photographed in the parking lot. Seems like we'd be a sitting duck with every girl wanting her own key. She gets evicted and wants to move in. Landlord's paperwork subject to subpoena duces tecum. Doing laundry. "Where'd that spot come from?"

Big shout out to Smokarz_XO! Got to give my brother his props. He schooled me on a new tactic that landed me two new babies in one day.

Brother Smokarz_XO you the the man!

SubCmdr.

I had a four hour meet and greet with a lovely young lady consisting of coffee at Starbucks and then proceeding to IHOP for brunch. It was a spiritually uplifting and emotionally satisfying experience. At the conclusion of the meet and greet marathon, I decided that this one was special. So I invited her to the FC with the idea that all I wanted to do was was enjoy her companionship and cuddle.

Emotional involvement really? GTF! That's why we call it a FUCK chamber people!

The latest addition to my fuck team is a 30-year-old MILF, Redbone, 5'3", curvy. "Red beans and rice didn't miss her. Turn around stick out even white boy's have to shout Baby got Back!'

30 minutes and two glasses of wine later I tell her she's got too many clothes on and to strip and stand before me naked! She agrees that she has to many clothes on and begins to slowly take them off. Starting with her boots and having me assist her remove them. Sexy feet with a French pedicure. Now it's time to take off the the jacket. She reveals a lovely skin tight cut off shirt underneath. She turns to me and asks: "Still to many clothes?" I am like "Yes Baby still to many clothes...strip down to your undies! The black leggings come off. And she pulls her top over her head to reveal a matching pink and gray bra and panty set. The panties have garter belt attachments to it. She's like "wait a second daddy I got my fishnets in my purse." And she goes into her purse pulled them out and attaches them the garter belt. She presents herself an asks, "How do I look?" Well, "I love it!

From that point it's on! Straight fucking; no kissin! I make it a point not to tie on a first date. But since technically this is our second, I oblige her when she asks: "Do you think you have one more in you?. I want to you tie me to your head board and blindfold me. Three hours later, after multiple ejaculations from me and about three times as many orgasms from her, I send her on her way.

My CPO is $40. Don't hate!

SubCmdr.

I replied to a ad on BP. It seemed too good to be true. She was in the age range, price range and body style that I like. I sent a very long email and included all of the text from my ad. I got a response this morning and I am on my way to setting up a first date. Her ad made it clear that there would not be any sex issues and she can host. She has a great smile and what seems like a good attitude.

My others have a little lacking here and there. I will keep you updated.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1901505]I replied to a ad on BP. It seemed too good to be true. She was in the age range, price range and body style that I like. I sent a very long email and included all of the text from my ad. I got a response this morning and I am on my way to setting up a first date. Her ad made it clear that there would not be any sex issues and she can host. She has a great smile and what seems like a good attitude.

My others have a little lacking here and there. I will keep you updated.

BigTigg.[/QUOTE]Got her email address, did a search and she's also been selling the booty. Ad is a recent as August and she has a website. She was on the same site as the other one that I bounced. So now I'm thinking, in this bowl most of the women need money and am I being too judgmental that I do not want to deal with someone who has been selling the booty. She just got a job at a very reputable establishment and it's possible she's planning to leave that lifestyle. With her new job and my assistance, it may be the first steps to her new life. For some reason I'm still uneasy, in this case since she didn't post an ad "yesterday" like the previous one, I'll talk with her about it and see what she says.

I'd love to hear comments from the other bowlers.

BT.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1901616]Got her email address, did a search and she's also been selling the booty. Ad is a recent as August and she has a website. She was on the same site as the other one that I bounced. So now I'm thinking, in this bowl most of the women need money and am I being too judgmental that I do not want to deal with someone who has been selling the booty. She just got a job at a very reputable establishment and it's possible she's planning to leave that lifestyle. With her new job and my assistance, it may be the first steps to her new life. For some reason I'm still uneasy, in this case since she didn't post an ad "yesterday" like the previous one, I'll talk with her about it and see what she says.

I'd love to hear comments from the other bowlers.

BT.[/QUOTE]BT,

In my opinion, the Bowl is not about pro's or UTR's, however they may disguise their true identities. It's about meeting and seducing willing but true amateurs. You of all of us seem to have no problem getting the T Bounce, so why mess with this type of "baby"? Where's the sport?

Just my opinion.

Scott.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1901616]Got her email address, did a search and she's also been selling the booty. Ad is a recent as August and she has a website. She was on the same site as the other one that I bounced. So now I'm thinking, in this bowl most of the women need money and am I being too judgmental that I do not want to deal with someone who has been selling the booty. She just got a job at a very reputable establishment and it's possible she's planning to leave that lifestyle. With her new job and my assistance, it may be the first steps to her new life. For some reason I'm still uneasy, in this case since she didn't post an ad "yesterday" like the previous one, I'll talk with her about it and see what she says.

I'd love to hear comments from the other bowlers.

BT.[/QUOTE]I am a lurker here. I am not in a place, geographicaly or in time to participate in the antics like the boul. But I am a big reader of the exploits and look forward to the day when I can join in.

My thought from outside the box is this: If you hook her and reel her in, in the near future she may provide sugar cheaply or even free to keep people in her new life from finding out about her past. Also in the game of getting information to insure "Mutual destruction" in event of blackmail, this is a really big card.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1901193][URL]http://www.fresnobee.com/2013/10/12/3550807/ask-amy-sugar-daddy-on-the-prowl.html[/URL]

This advice will pretty much guarantee the end of any marriage.[/QUOTE]After reading the advice I noticed a large banner ad for Hobby Lobby. Had a good 60 second laugh. Thanks!

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1901616]Got her email address, did a search and she's also been selling the booty. Ad is a recent as August and she has a website. She was on the same site as the other one that I bounced. So now I'm thinking, in this bowl most of the women need money and am I being too judgmental that I do not want to deal with someone who has been selling the booty. She just got a job at a very reputable establishment and it's possible she's planning to leave that lifestyle. With her new job and my assistance, it may be the first steps to her new life. For some reason I'm still uneasy, in this case since she didn't post an ad "yesterday" like the previous one, I'll talk with her about it and see what she says.

I'd love to hear comments from the other bowlers.

BT.[/QUOTE]You know, they are all pros or sluts of a sort. Pros fuck one or more guys for money and sluts fuck multiple random guys for non financial gain. The question for each one of us is: Do we care about emotional attachment? Because if we are looking for a special girl who is attached to just us for our amazing personality and sexual prowess and saves her booty for us then we are probably kidding ourselves. Go to Christian Mingle dot com. Every girl (almost) on the SD Sites is willing to give it up for money. We are male sluts by this definition. We all fuck (or want to) multiple random women as often as we can. It's nice to be loved and appreciated and not be one dick out of many who are supporting a SB's needs. I have been friends with several full time escorts over the years and I like them very much. They give heartfelt service in a GFE way and are honest about what they are doing. One is trying to find a soul mate but has to work regularly to support her 2 kids. Who wants to marry a working girl anyway? She's stuck. She aims to make $30000 / yr and is not greedy. The other makes $150 K / year but is on the road all the time from city to city.

So BT, if you are getting what you want from this Pro then enjoy it. In the end we all want the "appearance" of affection, desire, and specialness from our Babies. I prefer that my SB not be banging other guys while I am actively dating her, and I certainly don't want her working a book of business numbering dozens of Johns while I think I am helping a naive college girl squeak by. So I delude myself into thinking that my ATF is monogamous.

[QUOTE=FScott;1901653]BT,

In my opinion, the Bowl is not about pro's or UTR's, however they may disguise their true identities. It's about meeting and seducing willing but true amateurs. You of all of us seem to have no problem getting the T Bounce, so why mess with this type of "baby"? Where's the sport?

Just my opinion.

Scott.[/QUOTE]UTR's and pro's do serve a purpose (or two). Hey I live with one. LOL. But getting a fresh girl that's beholdin to you alone is the ultimate prize.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1901713]You know, they are all pros or sluts of a sort. Pros fuck one or more guys for money and sluts fuck multiple random guys for non financial gain. The question for each one of us is: Do we care about emotional attachment? Because if we are looking for a special girl who is attached to just us for our amazing personality and sexual prowess and saves her booty for us then we are probably kidding ourselves. Go to Christian Mingle dot com. Every girl (almost) on the SD Sites is willing to give it up for money. We are male sluts by this definition. We all fuck (or want to) multiple random women as often as we can. It's nice to be loved and appreciated and not be one dick out of many who are supporting a SB's needs. I have been friends with several full time escorts over the years and I like them very much. They give heartfelt service in a GFE way and are honest about what they are doing. One is trying to find a soul mate but has to work regularly to support her 2 kids. Who wants to marry a working girl anyway? She's stuck. She aims to make $30000 / yr and is not greedy. The other makes $150 K / year but is on the road all the time from city to city.

So BT, if you are getting what you want from this Pro then enjoy it. In the end we all want the "appearance" of affection, desire, and specialness from our Babies. I prefer that my SB not be banging other guys while I am actively dating her, and I certainly don't want her working a book of business numbering dozens of Johns while I think I am helping a naive college girl squeak by. So I delude myself into thinking that my ATF is monogamous.[/QUOTE]All True. All true. I have helped a few of my girls with ads and screening pot clients. If I am getting treated right, who am I to complain? When it gets to the bf / gf level and exclusive with a true amatuer, be ready for everything that goes with it. And be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. I got one now and there is a level of drama that I have to deal with to maintain it.

I have been mailing the usual 3 girls a day with my intro letter. I have been focusing more on the true amateurs and trying to stay away from the UTR girls. I have noticed that as many as 80% fall off the site after the first day. I am only in the 18 to 22 range most of the time. Also when I do meet, my FC % on the first date has gone way down. The cost to meet has also dropped accordingly.

A newbie MILF I saw 3 times in the FC last year for free (she turned down my $ offer saying that would make her a pro, who was i to argue?) popped back on to the site with a new profile. I hit her up and she was insulted by my $ offer. She said it was now $$. LOL. They learn fast.