That's a No Tip scenario, IMHO.
	
	
		[QUOTE=HarleyDude29;4270666]Saw a new ad for Sunstar on Lee Hwy. Seemed promising even though experience from years ago was disappointing, but figured they must have new staff by now. Figured I'd give the a try again. Drew Amy, with really nice tits and very nice looking and friendly. Got TS and 60 minutes. Decent table shower with ample teasing. All systems looking good. Back to room and after about 5 minutes asked what I wanted. Gave her a range depending on how we got along. She was upfront that anything was 2. 0 above house. She wouldn't budge and explained anything above HE was 1. 8 or 2. 0. Told her I was not interested. She said that was deal and essentially take it or leave it. She massages a little more and said to turn over. Figured she may waiver but she crawled up on foot of bed for the HE and sat there so there could be no contact at all. That is exactly what I recalled the last lady did from last visit there, so must be their standard. She did do a nice HE and it was done. In and out in about 25 minutes. She definitely has GPS and must be getting that rate. Sunstar is definitely off my list for good.
HS 29.[/QUOTE]You booked TS + 60 minutes and, after the hard upsell and a "No thanks" from you, she could have gone a couple of different ways that would have been acceptable. First choice, she could have completed the 60 min massage + HJ, for which I think a $40 tip (the going rate everywhere else) would have been fair. Second choice, she could have completed the 60 min massage with nothing extra, for which I think a 20% tip ($20 if feeling generous) would have been fair.
But she chose what, IMHO, was the unacceptable option of cutting your session short by more than half. Even with a decent HJ at the end, that doesn't offset the BS upsell and 50% shorting of time.
Some might think that's too drastic, but I see tipping as a way of communicating how pleased or displeased I am with the service and I have no problem using that communication method to make a point. I also never make such a drastic statement if there's any chance I might visit again in the future. But, with the scenario you describe, I'd almost certainly never repeat so "No Tip" would be my way of saying goodbye, good riddance, and maybe prompting some rethinking on their part. Also, if there a MMS available, I'd make sure she was aware of the situation.
It would be great karma if a bunch of mongers would visit this place in the near future and for every one who got the same crap treatment to walk out with little or no tip. That would send a big time message that we're not a bunch of idiots who can be conned and taken advantage of. They need our $ much more than we need their extras. And there are plenty of good options out there.
	 
 
	
	
	
		When Norma worked near DuPont Circle
	
	
		[QUOTE=Lucretius;4269538]Norma has recently been advertising on Bedpage.
[URL]https://nova.bedpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/alexandria-va-usa/7980284.html[/URL]
Experience my magical touch-female cmt (norma).
Posted: Friday May 10.
Come visit my private oasis. Relax and indulge your self in peaceful serenity with a friendly, caring and thoughtful therapist. I offer clean a tasteful space with heated table for a warm soothing environment that provides and extraordinarily comfortable experience. Get a blissful massage that will relieve your tensions and leave you feeling relax and satisfied.
I am an experienced Certified Massage Therapist specializing in Swedish, Deep Tissue and Sports Massage. I offer strong hands with a relaxing touch. Your comfort and satisfaction are my highest priorities.
Norma CMT.
703-489-.
Don't delay treat yourself today .
I saw her a while ago. She used to advertise on CL and Backpage back in another era. She works in her apartment in the Lincolnia area of Alexandria. She is 50-ish. She is pleasant and very professional. She stresses "CMT" in her ad, and she delivers. She has a table set up in one room of her apartment, complete with cozy decoration and calming music. She gives a very thorough and strong massage. She does not require draping. On the flip she will do some massage on the front, and then if you give her the right prompts, she will simply ask "would you like a release"? Or at least, she asked me. I would say that she approaches that like just another aspect of the massage. It is not a sensual release, but more of an "OK, I'll get the pressure out of that part too" kind of approach. She did not want me to touch her, and she would not show any skin. I asked for prostate and she declined. So her boundaries are clear. But if you want a serious, good massage, with release, sh can deliver. It has been a while, but I think she charged 100 and of course I tipped her. I was able to use the shower to rinse off.
L.[/QUOTE]I saw her several times and, once she was comfortable with me, she allowed the girls to come out and play.
Of course, that was quite a while ago (10+ years, IIRC) so that option may no longer be on the menu. But it's also possible that it's still available but not right away. As always, YMMV.
	 
 
	
	
	
		New blue sky is not blue sky
	
	
		[QUOTE=MrSunnyHills;4273991]There are always several factors. The individual gal. Whether they get a vibe that concerns them. Whether you've been before. Even though I've never been to this location, there are many in Northern VA where there are no guarantees, but if you play your cards right, you can get at least a NOVA finish. I would say your odds are still OK.[/QUOTE]I think the confusion over all this is the similarities of names the new places.
Mia works at 'blue sky' on diggs, 'new blue sky' is on dorsey circle about a 1/2 mile away, upper level, run by Jessica. The OP who said new blue sky is totally legit was accurate. It is a nice place, $50 for body massage and $25 for foot.
	 
 
	
	
	
		Mia is at blue sky on diggs
	
	
		[QUOTE=FSavages23;4273579]I was there just a couple of weeks ago. Provider was Mia and we had a good time? Are you 100% sure, because I was planning on going back.[/QUOTE]New blue sky is on dorsey circle.
	 
 
	
	
	
		You don't always hit it out of the park
	
	
		[QUOTE=MrSunnyHills;4273991]There are always several factors. The individual gal. Whether they get a vibe that concerns them. Whether you've been before. Even though I've never been to this location, there are many in Northern VA where there are no guarantees, but if you play your cards right, you can get at least a NOVA finish. I would say your odds are still OK.[/QUOTE]Lucky for you, there's so many fields in NoVa to play ball on. I've personally been to places where I've received FS and then only a legit massage (at the same place). The spectrum is wide and as was stated above, it depends on the girl and / or whether or not you give off the LEO vibe😕. You can always try again another day. Fun fact I once went to the same AMP and saw the same lady 3 separate occasions. Always legit. Went back, saw a new lady, got the NoVA. Then came back, got the original girl who laughed told me she thought I was a cop, but then got an awesome NoVa from her. So YMMV.
	 
 
	
	
	
		Is this the old Swan and Eagle location?
	
	
		[QUOTE=FrankDigitola;4273092]
I tried the Golden Therapy place yesterday. Lee Lee was my masseuse. She's a 40 something, attractive, average build chick. She had on a tight little red dress. Its a Korean place so they had a table shower. She walked on my back which was cool. Massage was good too. I'd file it under slightly above average.
On times when I'm not super worried about a top tier massage or the physique of my provider I'm definitely going to go see her again. House 8. Tipped 4. 
[/QUOTE]Golden Touch is still using the same phone number the other two places used, and I think they're in the same suite as the older places.
	 
 
	
	
	
		I'm sure they're all one in the same
	
	
		[QUOTE=BunkerBuster;4274665]Golden Touch is still using the same phone number the other two places used, and I think they're in the same suite as the older places.[/QUOTE]The pics online have a sign that says Swan. So I think so. I'm pretty new to the game and ever since I started going to YG, it's been called Golden. Golden, YG, and the Thai place are all different suites in the same one level building there.
	 
 
	
	
	
		Swipe left on this one brahs
	
	
		Saw this ad.
[URL]https://nova.bedpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/8303-arlington-blvd-fairfax-va-usa/6659444.html[/URL]
Don't get sucked into the lure of affordable 4 hand. I went there before I broke my lurk as they were advertising $50 for an hour massage when they first opened up. First time I saw a lady named KiKi. Late 40's, not really that attractive, thick, yet not shapely. Think Sponge Bob, not hourglass. She does however have big cans. Chinese place so no table shower. Massage was tip toeing on being above average but was just okay. Flip and the girls came out to play. HJ was fair but didn't pop after stocking up for 4 days. Gave her the 5 entry fee and tipped 4.
Saw another lady dip into anther room when I left so went back to try her on the cheap. Didn't get a great look at her though. Got her on my return visit and she was early 50's and looks like she'll be a Mamasan in 6 months. Massage was okay, HJ was actually pretty good and I was able to pop. Wasn't earth shattering and I had been stockpiling for close to a week so I credited the pop to the stockpile. I haven't been back. I did however see KiKi on my way out. So those are the chicks who'll probably taking care of your 4 hand. If you want to roll the dice and play with KiKis big cans hoping for a YMMV go ahead and cash in on the deal. I gave Soon to be Mamasan the same 5 and 4.
[QUOTE=FrankDigitola;4274750]The pics online have a sign that says Swan. So I think so. I'm pretty new to the game and ever since I started going to YG, it's been called Golden. Golden, YG, and the Thai place are all different suites in the same one level building there.[/QUOTE]Misspoke here. I meant to say different suites in the same long section of businesses. The buildings in that office park are two levels. Golden and the Thai place that's probably legit are on the 2nd floors of their respective entrances.
	 
 
	
	
	
		Insane Ass. But a Good Time?
	
	
		[QUOTE=WaveSurfer;4274871]Anyone try this provider out [URL]https://nova.bedpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/springfield-va-usa/6644747.html[/URL] been looking for something different than an AMP. She has multiple postings with different prices wondering if that's a sign to stay away. Thanks for any advice.[/QUOTE]I thought about seeing her for a massage awhile back. I don't know why I changed my mind, perhaps because her ass looks too good to be true. It could be real pics. If you go see her, let us know how it goes.
	 
 
	
	
	
		You made me VERY happy! Susan at CC Wellness Center in Mclean. Fantastic Job.
	
	
		The staffs are very friendly. Susan is my favorite if you want strong hands and Having those massive DD breasts. I can say, every time I come here, I feel very welcomed. Always a privilege to be treated by Susan. Susan is a serious angel. So helpful and sweet. She earns five stars!
	 
 
	
	
	
		Very first "massage" experience
	
	
		After doing some research the past day, I've decided I will try out an independent therapist in Shirlington. Now I may be over thinking all of this, but after the back massage is done and asks to turn over and asks what I would like, is it normal to just flat out say "a happy ending", or "a handjob"? (Just trying not to embarrass myself for my first time 🤪.
If she charges $120/ hr, will this include a HE? I see some comments saying she offers an extra $60 for topless, which I will not partake in. So I don't want to be rude, would a standard tip be $40? ($160 overall).
Thanks for the help!