Trying this Sugar Baby thing.

Thru just casting out the net on the sites I had evolved the mind set to talk to young ladies. Talk to them in social settings, share some Social Media coms. See what evolved.

Got lucky and established a "classic" SB / SD relationship you outlined. Started off with a few PPMs but now a much more satisfyingly arrangement.

She's asked for my advice and she's put it into action. I've shown her how to maintain her car. That I helped her acquiring. "No one has ever taken the time to teach me any of this. ".

She wasn't on any site just open coms and it evolved over 6 months. Peace.

[QUOTE=TheMechanik365;6085143]I've said this a couple of times on this thread. The majority of what is being called a SB / SD relationship is nothing more than glorified prostitution. Selling pussy, no matter how often or what your circumstances are, qualifies you as a prostitute. The minute they agree to PPM, that's an escort. Just because these girls don't have the same mileage or are not on drugs, they are still accepting money for sex and that is the very definition of an escort.

Having said that, the true SB / SD relationship is not a PPM. It's when a younger woman who is need of help or wants extra money for going out, getting her hair or nails done, paying bills, etc. And in return she offers her time and affections to an older man. The older man also helps her by giving life advice as he's been there done that. The expectation of sex every time you meet is not part of the deal. Just like a boyfriend / girlfriend relationship, you go out and have fun but it doesn't always end in sex. Just like the SB shouldn't expect to cash out every time she sees her daddy. You call me, when you need help making your rent, getting your car fixed, you want a new outfit, you want your nails done, you need some food in the fridge.

These young girls today don't have a clue of how to be a SB and for that matter, a lot of dudes don't know how to be a SD.

My two cents.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Emjay;6092041]Anyone see this lady? Chatted with her and wants skip the meet and greet, so comes across as desperate or pro vibes.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6585bb31-ae10-4525-a0e8-cdec87f9f342[/URL][/QUOTE]She's been reported on before under a different name. She's heavy. Big, firm belly and thick legs. That said she will do it all except butt stuff. Can get her lower, leave it at 200 and see what she says. Can host on her days of now that school is back in session. So that's a plus.

[QUOTE=BrianPeter;6086464]Which one of you guys has been giving her $600. That's what's she's asking now. Dang!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d5d23e69-400d-426b-b70c-dceb8e134396?_cf_ref=aHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2FzZXhndWlkZS5ubC8%3D[/URL][/QUOTE]She told me 5 and that was stupid I thought for her. To me it looks like her mid section isn't very nice.

[QUOTE=Masiha1980;6083714][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2190d8f4-9b22-4f02-b47b-df1f01f9a1f0?_cf_ref=aHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2FzZXhndWlkZS5ubC8%3D[/URL]

She quoted me 350 + 50 for CIM and 100 extra for rimjob and record it so total 500 - also asked for non latex condom only. I thought she was slim but the more pictures she sent the thicker she got. Profile pictures she looks much slimmer so I declined.

Also willing to host but got a male roommate.[/QUOTE]I never wore a condom with her and nothing but anal was off limits. I'm thick so that maybe why but I never really want to do that unless the ass is hot. And hers wasn't. She had thick thighs last year. Maybe she skimmed down. But 200 is all I ever gave.

[QUOTE=TjtjtJall;6093125]She's been reported on before under a different name. She's heavy. Big, firm belly and thick legs. That said she will do it all except butt stuff. Can get her lower, leave it at 200 and see what she says. Can host on her days of now that school is back in session. So that's a plus.[/QUOTE]Quoted me 300, I offered 2 and she would not budge.

[QUOTE=TheMechanik365;6093879]Quoted me 300, I offered 2 and she would not budge.[/QUOTE]That's absurd for an overweight older lady.

[QUOTE=TjtjtJall;6094822]That's absurd for an overweight older lady.[/QUOTE]In fairness to her, she did say that was 2-3 hours and the only no was anal. She can only host in the mornings when her kids are at school but she prefers coming to you.

Is seeking even worth it? Debating wether or not to take that plunge. It seems to be a hassle from.

What I've seen on here.

What's your budget, what are you looking for, and how much time do you have to spend? If you are in the hobby and are used to half hour or one hour sessions with pros, but would prefer a more organic experience, it might be worth it. Or if you like the idea of "dating" college aged girls or single moms, it can be bountiful. But I have found a couple of truths doing the SB thing. It takes a ton of time to message enough girls to get a few to respond. The real amateurs are terrible at communicating. The fantasy is just that, fantasy (these girls, more times than not, would never f* you without paying them). The cost only has value if you can spare time to get your money's worth. For example, the entry fee is pretty similar to professionals but the value comes from the ability to spend more time, multiple pops, there's often more on the menu, sometimes BB if that's your thing, little to no chance for demons, pimps, or LEO, and a more intimate experience in general.

The flip side of that is the ridiculous amount of time and effort to find real, non-gps girls. If they are college age, they are likely shy and inexperienced and may not be down for all your fantasy porn scene ideas. You likely have very little in common and it will show in your conversations. They could just as likely be dead fish because of the thought of what they are doing for money. It can be pricey and you may get less value of they're not into it.

This year my experience has been very good but I'm fortunate enough to have the time to put into it. Ironically, I had 2 back to back SB in two days last month. On the third day, I lined up an Eros girl and was reminded at how easy and stress free it was to set a time, show up, and blow a load in a hot chick. So, to answer your questions I would say yes if you want some variety in your hobby. But no need to subscribe every month. Do one month and get as many numbers as you can off the app / website. Work those numbers until they're conquered or eliminated. Then pay for another month if needed. Good luck.

[QUOTE=ANewHope84;6095091]Is seeking even worth it? Debating wether or not to take that plunge. It seems to be a hassle from.

What I've seen on here.[/QUOTE]

Spot on assessment of this category of the hobby. The fact that there is a SB SD thread on this forum is kinda a misnomer based on that definition. I think the pay for play mongers have taken advantage (in a good way) of the sites that provide this service. And if a girl agrees before meeting someone there will be an exchange of currency for an act, they can word it how ever they want to but it's still prostitution. I always see the debate that being in a relationship with a girl is never free, therefore, it's not prostitution. But I think it's fair to say if they know what's going down and how much $ they'll get out of it, it is what it sounds like. That's much different than a young lady taking up an offer to go out on the lake with an older guy who owns a nice boat, he buys her dinner later, and after a couple outings (dates), they smash and he pays a car payment here and there to keep it going while she gives him some ass to keep the payments coming.

The ladies (non pros) on these sites may have entered the game hoping that was how it was going to happen but for a lot of them, this idea dissolves into the ppm situation. In little defense of the girls, other than man's primal need to get ass, they don't realize how much organized efforts by us mongers for "pay for play". I'm sure there are a handful that are too fearful of putting themselves out there on OF, and this is more discreet way to get their side hussle. But if you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig. And of all the social degradation I see these days, I'm still thankful there are the outlets that put supply and demand in contact with each other so we may scratch that otherwise unreachable itch, LOL.

[QUOTE=Kzetana;6093055]Thru just casting out the net on the sites I had evolved the mind set to talk to young ladies. Talk to them in social settings, share some Social Media coms. See what evolved.

Got lucky and established a "classic" SB / SD relationship you outlined. Started off with a few PPMs but now a much more satisfyingly arrangement.

She's asked for my advice and she's put it into action. I've shown her how to maintain her car. That I helped her acquiring. "No one has ever taken the time to teach me any of this. ".

She wasn't on any site just open coms and it evolved over 6 months. Peace.[/QUOTE]

That reply was supposed to be attached to Mechaniks post #4823.

[QUOTE=GutterMind4;6095550]Spot on assessment of this category of the hobby. The fact that there is a SB SD thread on this forum is kinda a misnomer based on that definition. I think the pay for play mongers have taken advantage (in a good way) of the sites that provide this service. And if a girl agrees before meeting someone there will be an exchange of currency for an act, they can word it how ever they want to but it's still prostitution. I always see the debate that being in a relationship with a girl is never free, therefore, it's not prostitution. But I think it's fair to say if they know what's going down and how much $ they'll get out of it, it is what it sounds like. That's much different than a young lady taking up an offer to go out on the lake with an older guy who owns a nice boat, he buys her dinner later, and after a couple outings (dates), they smash and he pays a car payment here and there to keep it going while she gives him some ass to keep the payments coming.

The ladies (non pros) on these sites may have entered the game hoping that was how it was going to happen but for a lot of them, this idea dissolves into the ppm situation. In little defense of the girls, other than man's primal need to get ass, they don't realize how much organized efforts by us mongers for "pay for play". I'm sure there are a handful that are too fearful of putting themselves out there on OF, and this is more discreet way to get their side hussle. But if you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig. And of all the social degradation I see these days, I'm still thankful there are the outlets that put supply and demand in contact with each other so we may scratch that otherwise unreachable itch, LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheMechanik365;6095060]In fairness to her, she did say that was 2-3 hours and the only no was anal. She can only host in the mornings when her kids are at school but she prefers coming to you.[/QUOTE]She's a horny old lady. Can't DT but will gag trying to. Squirts. Takes loads wherever you want to put them. Tosses salad. She's worth a turn I guess, inflation is a m'effer.

[QUOTE=ANewHope84;6095091]Is seeking even worth it? Debating wether or not to take that plunge. It seems to be a hassle from.

What I've seen on here.[/QUOTE]I'm a newbie to SA (Been on there a month). There are definitely some real women on there that are DTF but it takes a lot of work to weed through the pic and video sellers, the scammers who want money upfront (sight unseen) and the ones that just want attention and have no plans to actually meet and those that want GPS arrangements.

Having said that, I've met two in person (1 we did the deed & the other is a college girl that I'm close to closing the deal on) I've gotten legit quotes from others that are DTF and their price has ranged from 250-500 PPM. There are a couple college girls that wanted a weekly or monthly arrangement but I'm not in a position to take advantage of that right now.

I can say it has been fun chatting with a bunch of different ladies, who all seem easy to move offline and find out what they're looking for. I would say with the current state of escorts in the area, SA is not a bad way to go. Prices are higher in most cases but the trade off is, most of these girls are not junkies, actually have jobs (just a supplement to their income) and they are decent looking.

Right now I have the potential to bed 2 more with a high probability and there's at least 3 others that I believe I could bed right now and if that's actually the case, I'd say it was money and time well spent.

Try it for the month and if you don't like it, you can cancel.

Just remember, you have to put the time in and it's a lot of time.

Good luck.

This is one of the first girls I ever chatted with 2 yrs ago. I reviewed her once as a flake and she text me and fussed at me so she was either tipped off or watched the board.

Anyway I'll support my review then by saying she hasn't changed. Stood me up a few times and always wants money for vids until she can meet but always has a reason she can't meet. I did buy a couple vids which were poorly done. Could have been hot material just poor quality camera. She's real but I've yet to meet her because she text me still occasionally wanting to play. But really just wanting to get a handout. I've told her many times no more money until we actually meet. And yes she's a middle of the night texter. Waste of time.

[QUOTE=Emjay;6092085]Lately responses from Potential SBs has been better on this site, lot of girls chatting and leading to potential hook ups but there is still timewasters, pics / video sellers, chatbots with useless / endless chatting and last but not least bots favoriting me from different parts of world like I care.

Here is some info on some that I chatted, enjoy!

IvyKat.

Wanted 200 just for Meet&Greet and then texts out of blue for meet ups. There were reports of her milking members for dinner and drinks. Very unpredictable, expect to spend lot of time (and money) if you want to meet up wit this one, Ignore!!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/eb94f642-19ae-40c9-9307-3b4e1f663825[/URL]

BaddieBritany.

Met with this one, young and not doesn't look like a Pro. Easy to talk to setup Meet and Greet. Not a spinner and body is not tight. DTF and wants 400, can be talked down.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0826e9c5-fffb-4fd9-8c8b-fe79223a8a22[/URL]

CandieRed704.

Chatting in middle of night (3.30/4.30 AM) and seems pushy. Not sure if she is even real person. Ignore for now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GutterMind4;6095182]What's your budget, what are you looking for, and how much time do you have to spend? If you are in the hobby and are used to half hour or one hour sessions with pros, but would prefer a more organic experience, it might be worth it. Or if you like the idea of "dating" college aged girls or single moms, it can be bountiful. But I have found a couple of truths doing the SB thing. It takes a ton of time to message enough girls to get a few to respond. The real amateurs are terrible at communicating. The fantasy is just that, fantasy (these girls, more times than not, would never f* you without paying them). The cost only has value if you can spare time to get your money's worth. For example, the entry fee is pretty similar to professionals but the value comes from the ability to spend more time, multiple pops, there's often more on the menu, sometimes BB if that's your thing, little to no chance for demons, pimps, or LEO, and a more intimate experience in general.

The flip side of that is the ridiculous amount of time and effort to find real, non-gps girls. If they are college age, they are likely shy and inexperienced and may not be down for all your fantasy porn scene ideas. You likely have very little in common and it will show in your conversations. They could just as likely be dead fish because of the thought of what they are doing for money. It can be pricey and you may get less value of they're not into it.
[/QUOTE]From a seasoned pro. This is my exact experience. Also, the key is to move them to private texts ASAP. These girls get hundreds of messages from horny guys every day, so the quicker you move off SA, the higher probability of a meet because you can weed out a lot of fakers.

It really is a numbers game. I've messaged over a hundred girls in this last month, so yeah, it's time very time consuming. If you enjoy the thrill of the hunt, you'll probably enjoy it a little more.

Here's a tip: Even though a lot of these girls are doing PPM, they don't want to be treated like a prostitute. They still want to be pursued like a regular chick you're trying to date. You have to have some kind of game that separates you from the rest because talking to these girls, they say how creepy guys are and how even though it's PPM, just asking how much, doesn't cut it. Read their bio (if they have one), even if you don't GAF about it and pick something from it as an opening line, trust me, it will go a long way.

As GutterMind said, my SA membership has just ended, but I have enough numbers and contacts to have fun with for the next month.