Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=BigCat44;5093324]I have been in the hobby over 25 years and I'm in my mid 60's. I am a nice looking gentleman and physically fit for my age. I have seen 2 providers in their mid 30's and had a great time with each one and had no problems or issues. The only problem is when I want to see them again they don't respond to my texts and just ghost me without giving me a reason why they aren't responding. Could it be my age where they don't want to see someone who is 30 years older than them? Anyone have any opinions on what could be going on?[/QUOTE]In my experience the quality providers want to like you to some degree first impression on first meet is huge plus women dont care much about looks or age they like to be treated nicely I don't do QV or haggle rates if its to much i move on if you want them to be your regular treating them as a woman by picking up a surprise $10 bouquet at walmart while picking up a box of covers or offering to bring them a breakfast sandwich from mcdonalds goes a long way on first meets they respond warmly with no clock watching phone is shut off a few have given me their private cell number for the next visit so I'm not getting delayed responses with their unreliable text app phone. I'm 60 I have 3 maybe 4 20ish or 30ish aged regulars that never ghost me they know my schedule is tight and they never disappoint But like I said I try to deal only with quality providers.

[QUOTE=Tolcin;5094833]In my experience the quality providers want to like you to some degree first impression on first meet is huge plus women dont care much about looks or age they like to be treated nicely I don't do QV or haggle rates if its to much i move on if you want them to be your regular treating them as a woman by picking up a surprise $10 bouquet at walmart while picking up a box of covers or offering to bring them a breakfast sandwich from mcdonalds goes a long way on first meets they respond warmly with no clock watching phone is shut off a few have given me their private cell number for the next visit so I'm not getting delayed responses with their unreliable text app phone. I'm 60 I have 3 maybe 4 20ish or 30ish aged regulars that never ghost me they know my schedule is tight and they never disappoint But like I said I try to deal only with quality providers.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with these comments. Several times, I've stopped at Kroger where you can pick up a decent bouquet of flowers for only $5. The few times I've done it the girls were just giddy with surprise and it sets a VERY positive atmosphere to begin a "relationship", even it's only a one-time thing. Granted, you never know what you're going to get in return from these girls. Many of them have been driven to hard-core lifestyles because of abusive childhoods, abusive relationships, drugs, etc. And they probably don't give a damn about a few flowers. Most of them, though, will respond favorably--maybe not enough to make any huge difference in their attitude, but probably better than you would have received otherwise. I just don't think it makes sense to treat them like dirt and then expect them to "perform".

I have always tried to provide a BFE to their GFE.

Treating them like human beings and not splooge dumpsters has always gotten me more traction for my dollars.

There are many on the boards who don't see providers as people with feelings. Treat them like shit and you will get shit back.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;5095571]I agree 100% with these comments. Several times, I've stopped at Kroger where you can pick up a decent bouquet of flowers for only $5. The few times I've done it the girls were just giddy with surprise and it sets a VERY positive atmosphere to begin a "relationship", even it's only a one-time thing. Granted, you never know what you're going to get in return from these girls. Many of them have been driven to hard-core lifestyles because of abusive childhoods, abusive relationships, drugs, etc. And they probably don't give a damn about a few flowers. Most of them, though, will respond favorably--maybe not enough to make any huge difference in their attitude, but probably better than you would have received otherwise. I just don't think it makes sense to treat them like dirt and then expect them to "perform".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BTBear;5096120]I have always tried to provide a BFE to their GFE.

Treating them like human beings and not splooge dumpsters has always gotten me more traction for my dollars.

There are many on the boards who don't see providers as people with feelings. Treat them like shit and you will get shit back.[/QUOTE]I have found that simple acts of kindness goes a long way. I have drive several woman to get things from a store or taken them to a friends house. Sometimes things like that might get you a better rate or open up things they don't normally do. These woman are someone's daughters or mothers sisters you wonder what has driven them to the point of having to sell there body's to stay alive. Was it a drug addiction they could no longer afford, Or maybe the physical and mental abuse they suffered drove them to selling there bodies and the drug use started because they had to numb them selves to what they are doing, you just never know. I once over heard a conversation an escort was having on the phone. It sounded like she was trying to get into drug rehab. So after we finished I asked her about it and she said yes she was wanting to go but know one would take her there. So I said I would. She looked at me a started to cry she said really I said yes when do you want to go she picked up the stuff she wanted and said lets go. She gave me the directions to it I dropped her off say her walk in waited about 15 or 20 min she didn't come out so I felt she got excepted and I left. I never did here from her again, and I never saw her advertising again either. That was years ago when I lived in Illinois.

[QUOTE=BigCat44;5093324]I have been in the hobby over 25 years and I'm in my mid 60's. I am a nice looking gentleman and physically fit for my age. I have seen 2 providers in their mid 30's and had a great time with each one and had no problems or issues. The only problem is when I want to see them again they don't respond to my texts and just ghost me without giving me a reason why they aren't responding. Could it be my age where they don't want to see someone who is 30 years older than them? Anyone have any opinions on what could be going on?[/QUOTE]They might just not remember you. I have had some who didn't remember me until they saw me again. It was only a couple weeks too. They get so many messages and calls, they usually don't keep track. If you have a good first time, give them your hobby name to save your number under. It could be they might not be working for awhile. It coukd be any number of reasons that are unrelated to you. It could be you too, if you didn't treat them well.

I agree with the others. It is about the money. So if you just did qv or haggled, that lessens your chances. I had one tell me, she accepted the hr and hhr offers first. If I like a provider I will tip them extra money. The ones I did, I had no trouble seeing them again. There's way more guys with money looking for service, than available providers. So it is a providers market at the moment. So if they are decent providers, they can pick and choose who they see. This is based on you wanting to be discreet. Like if you married or job who doesn't need to know. If you can search other avenues like social media and date sites, might open more options for you.

[QUOTE=MallGuy101;5096200]I have found that simple acts of kindness goes a long way. I have drive several woman to get things from a store or taken them to a friends house. Sometimes things like that might get you a better rate or open up things they don't normally do. These woman are someone's daughters or mothers sisters you wonder what has driven them to the point of having to sell there body's to stay alive. Was it a drug addiction they could no longer afford, Or maybe the physical and mental abuse they suffered drove them to selling there bodies and the drug use started because they had to numb them selves to what they are doing, you just never know. I once over heard a conversation an escort was having on the phone. It sounded like she was trying to get into drug rehab. So after we finished I asked her about it and she said yes she was wanting to go but know one would take her there. So I said I would. She looked at me a started to cry she said really I said yes when do you want to go she picked up the stuff she wanted and said lets go. She gave me the directions to it I dropped her off say her walk in waited about 15 or 20 min she didn't come out so I felt she got excepted and I left. I never did here from her again, and I never saw her advertising again either. That was years ago when I lived in Illinois.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MallGuy101]Christy
Thought I would text her and see what her rates were for BBBJ and DATY and was floored by her response. She promptly replayed $400. Per hr. I promptly texted back and said you have a major case of GPS and said no girl on List crawler / mega personals is worth that. I also noticed in several of her older ads she said she had rave reviews on USA SEX GUIDE and she her newer ads no longer say that. She must have come here, and read her new reviews. LOL.

Here is one of her posts. Megapersonals. Eu / public / post_detail /11724679.[/QUOTE]Haha! Dude which way do you want it?

[QUOTE=Katmandu6999;5097618]Haha! Dude which way do you want it?[/QUOTE]There is a difference between between a girl that is trying to get by, in what life she has. And a girl that thinks her shit doesn't stink. And from her reviews recently she isn't a girl that is worth half of what she was asking.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;5095571]I agree 100% with these comments. Several times, I've stopped at Kroger where you can pick up a decent bouquet of flowers for only $5. The few times I've done it the girls were just giddy with surprise and it sets a VERY positive atmosphere to begin a "relationship", even it's only a one-time thing. Granted, you never know what you're going to get in return from these girls. Many of them have been driven to hard-core lifestyles because of abusive childhoods, abusive relationships, drugs, etc. And they probably don't give a damn about a few flowers. Most of them, though, will respond favorably--maybe not enough to make any huge difference in their attitude, but probably better than you would have received otherwise. I just don't think it makes sense to treat them like dirt and then expect them to "perform".[/QUOTE]I usually bring gifts of some kind to girls who are really sweet to me. I know this is only a "job" to them to pull our puds out of our sacks with their mouth or giner but they are also people with feelings.

Most recently, I took a box of Christmas candy to EllieGirl.

It's not that hard to be a nice person. Stop looking at the world through bitterness filters and see the good in people for once. Some of you in here are so heartless that I wouldn't stop to piss on you if I saw you burning alive in a ditch.

[QUOTE=TMeister;5098197]I usually bring gifts of some kind to girls who are really sweet to me. I know this is only a "job" to them to pull our puds out of our sacks with their mouth or giner but they are also people with feelings.

Most recently, I took a box of Christmas candy to EllieGirl.

It's not that hard to be a nice person. Stop looking at the world through bitterness filters and see the good in people for once. Some of you in here are so heartless that I wouldn't stop to piss on you if I saw you burning alive in a ditch.[/QUOTE]She actually showed up to get the candy?

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5099007]She actually showed up to get the candy?[/QUOTE]I went to her place.

[QUOTE=MallGuy101;5097900]There is a difference between between a girl that is trying to get by, in what life she has. And a girl that thinks her shit doesn't stink. And from her reviews recently she isn't a girl that is worth half of what she was asking.[/QUOTE]I think we all trying to get by!

[quote=tmeister;5098197]i usually bring gifts of some kind to girls who are really sweet to me. I know this is only a "job" to them to pull our puds out of our sacks with their mouth or giner but they are also people with feelings.

Most recently, i took a box of christmas candy to elliegirl.

It's not that hard to be a nice person. Stop looking at the world through bitterness filters and see the good in people for once. Some of you in here are so heartless that i wouldn't stop to piss on you if i saw you burning alive in a ditch.[/quote]send me a gift card.

I like chic fil a 🤷8205;9794;65039;.

[QUOTE=TMeister;5098197]I usually bring gifts of some kind to girls who are really sweet to me. I know this is only a "job" to them to pull our puds out of our sacks with their mouth or giner but they are also people with feelings.

Most recently, I took a box of Christmas candy to EllieGirl.

It's not that hard to be a nice person. Stop looking at the world through bitterness filters and see the good in people for once. Some of you in here are so heartless that I wouldn't stop to piss on you if I saw you burning alive in a ditch.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TMeister;5099310]I went to her place.[/QUOTE]I didn't realize you'd gotten so "woke" and "sensitive". Did you give her the chocolates as a prize for clearing out your nad sack? "Honey, these balls ain't going to empty themselves. Oh yeah, here's some chocolates. ".

Just fucking with you. I know you're all giddy about the election results. .

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5099758]Just fucking with you. I know you're all giddy about the election results. .[/QUOTE]I love how bitter and angry you MAGA Cucks are right now. Watching your Orange Lyin' Fraudster squirm like a worm while counting down the days until his immunity runs out and the NY prosecutors pounce on him like a lion on a gazelle LOL.

Makes you want to stick a pistol in your mouth and end your misery.

[QUOTE=TMeister;5100336]I love how bitter and angry you MAGA Cucks are right now. Watching your Orange Lyin' Fraudster squirm like a worm while counting down the days until his immunity runs out and the NY prosecutors pounce on him like a lion on a gazelle LOL.

Makes you want to stick a pistol in your mouth and end your misery.[/QUOTE]MAGA cuck? Me? I fucking hate trump and I'm glad he's out. Jesus dude, you have a stroke and lose your memory?

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5100857]MAGA cuck? Me? I fucking hate trump and I'm glad he's out. Jesus dude, you have a stroke and lose your memory?[/QUOTE]Trump's not going anywhere. This ain't over, stay tuned.

[QUOTE=BelowMe;5101220]Trump's not going anywhere. This ain't over, stay tuned.[/QUOTE]We are making his stripped uniforms as we speak for New York.

[QUOTE=BelowMe;5101220]Trump's not going anywhere. This ain't over, stay tuned.[/QUOTE]Back in my training, I worked in a state psychiatric hospital, in the unit where the truly delusional (I'm Jesus Christ, and I can fly") involuntary commitments were first brought in for observation and evaluation. The belief systems of Trump supporters today (i.e. complete rejection of objective reality, elaborate conspiracies, rage when facts that contradict their beliefs are presented to them) sound eerily familiar. Just saying....

The good dr.

[QUOTE=DrDave39;5101394]Back in my training, I worked in a state psychiatric hospital, in the unit where the truly delusional (I'm Jesus Christ, and I can fly") involuntary commitments were first brought in for observation and evaluation. The belief systems of Trump supporters today (i.e. complete rejection of objective reality, elaborate conspiracies, rage when facts that contradict their beliefs are presented to them) sound eerily familiar. Just saying.[/QUOTE]Very true, doc.

If anyone with a halfway decent IQ looks at the comparisons between MAGA Cucks, the Peoples Temple at Jonestown and the Branch Davidians at Waco, you really see no discernable differences. They are all brainwashed Low IQ sheep infatuated with a delusional charlatan that woo'd them with delusions of grandeur while fucking their daughters and robbing their bank account while telling them it would make them "closer to God".

The only way to effectively deal with these people is long-term prison sentences or very large kegs of specially-brewed Kool Aid that makes them go nighty-night for a very long time.

[QUOTE=BelowMe;5101220]Trump's not going anywhere. This ain't over, stay tuned.[/QUOTE]He's going to be gobbling on a lot of fat black dicks in the prison showers.

But you Low IQ MAGA Cucks will cheer him on with that LOL.

[QUOTE=DrDave39;5101394]Back in my training, I worked in a state psychiatric hospital, in the unit where the truly delusional (I'm Jesus Christ, and I can fly") involuntary commitments were first brought in for observation and evaluation. The belief systems of Trump supporters today (i.e. complete rejection of objective reality, elaborate conspiracies, rage when facts that contradict their beliefs are presented to them) sound eerily familiar. Just saying....

The good dr.[/QUOTE]Sounds very familiar. Media and congress and left wing have been screaming these things (I. E. Complete rejection of objective reality, elaborate conspiracies, rage when facts that contradict their beliefs are presented to them) for the last 4 years! Sound familiar? Just replying.

[QUOTE=LvTheLightsOn;5101773]Freebie?

Um no. Nor would I even ask that of someone who's trying to support themselves in the industry. Did she sweeten the pot? Of course. Did I take care of her as much as her and her partner took care of me? I'd like to think so. Will I repeat? For sure.[/QUOTE]I guess your time is no where near as valuable as hers, and that's the attitude she evidently has. Sweeten the pot, did she BBBJ w / cim like her video shows? I hope you at least got what her BBC friend got. You are not the only one including myself that she has ghosted as the reviews clearly indicate. I guess as long as guys are suckers some things will never change. For sure!

[QUOTE=TMeister;5101445]Very true, doc.

If anyone with a halfway decent IQ looks at the comparisons between MAGA Cucks, the Peoples Temple at Jonestown and the Branch Davidians at Waco, you really see no discernable differences. They are all brainwashed Low IQ sheep infatuated with a delusional charlatan that woo'd them with delusions of grandeur while fucking their daughters and robbing their bank account while telling them it would make them "closer to God".

The only way to effectively deal with these people is long-term prison sentences or very large kegs of specially-brewed Kool Aid that makes them go nighty-night for a very long time.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. You my friend are truly delusional.

[QUOTE=TMeister;5101471]He's going to be gobbling on a lot of fat black dicks in the prison showers.

But you Low IQ MAGA Cucks will cheer him on with that LOL.[/QUOTE]You're a delusional idiot. Evidently you must know something about sucking big black cocks? What were you in for?

[QUOTE=BelowMe;5102564]You're a delusional idiot. Evidently you must know something about sucking big black cocks? What were you in for?[/QUOTE]You MAGA Cucks are just bitter and suicidal because in a few weeks Mighty Joe and Killer Kamala are going to be ruling America like a triumphant duo that are beloved by the people and dips hit Donnie and his wicked spawn are going to be doing the perp walks on national TV wearing handcuffs, ankle chains and sad frowns as the entire country LAUGHS at them.

Cream always rises to the top, and shit always sinks to the bottom of the bowl.

Ok, for discussion purposes, let's say it's not over.

What is going to happen next?

Do you honestly think that on Jan 21, Trump will somehow still be President?

[QUOTE=BelowMe;5101220]Trump's not going anywhere. This ain't over, stay tuned.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TMeister;5101471]He's going to be gobbling on a lot of fat black dicks in the prison showers.

But you Low IQ MAGA Cucks will cheer him on with that LOL.[/QUOTE]Anyone that would vote for a senile idiot like sleepy Joe is a retard. Just wait until his master China invades Taiwan.

Because you know it's coming. Know telling what Russia, Iran and North Korea will do with Joe calling the shots. He will be worse then Jimmy Carter. Remember Jimmy he gave away the Panama Canal let the Shah of Iran fall to the radical Islamic. How is that working out for us? As far as anyone putting a gun in their mouth it will be the retarded Biden voter.

The only problem is someone will need to show them how to load and pull the trigger.

I'm sure there will be plenty of people help them.

[QUOTE=VinnieKramer;5102900]Ok, for discussion purposes, let's say it's not over.

What is going to happen next?

Do you honestly think that on Jan 21, Trump will somehow still be President?[/QUOTE]Well, yeah. Didn't you see where they are planning to release the kraken? Or did they do that already?

[B]"Sidney Powell and Project Veritas releasing the Kraken."[/B]

[URL]https://twitter.com/jfreewright/status/1334104854663471104[/URL]

I love seeing all this bantering about politics! What I love even more is that folks on all sides think they actually have a say anymore in what is suppose to a democracy! The best way to defeat your ENEMY is from within their own form of Government! How many folks on here like paying 30% of what they earn to take care of folks that are able to work? BLA BLA BLA! Go find a piece of pussy to run your mouths on! LOL.

Is there anyone on Tryst who is worth even 80% of their asking price?

I've seen probably 7 or 8 of the local providers posting on there and most of them aren't worth $$ in my book but they are asking close to double that. Most of the ones I've seen, I saw before Tryst, and may repeat at their old rates but wouldn't even think about seeing any of them for north of $$.

I did see Simone a few months back and while she is no beauty, at least her rates are relatively fair. Her pictures are accurate, she has a good attitude and a safe in call, and you can get out of there happy for under $$. I would have repeated by now if the drive for me wasn't so far. However, I repeat, not a beauty and not a tight body.

Some of the other advertisers I've seen on there look like they've gained some COVID weight, aged 30 years or worse.

Am I missing any gems? I've never seen Starbaby but at the same time I've never really heard anything great about her.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5103022]Well, yeah. Didn't you see where they are planning to release the kraken? Or did they do that already?

[B]"Sidney Powell and Project Veritas releasing the Kraken."[/B]

[URL]https://twitter.com/jfreewright/status/1334104854663471104[/URL][/QUOTE]Someone did not get the memo. They instead, released the cracker.

That's pretty funny.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5103022]Well, yeah. Didn't you see where they are planning to release the kraken? Or did they do that already?

[B]"Sidney Powell and Project Veritas releasing the Kraken."[/B]

[URL]https://twitter.com/jfreewright/status/1334104854663471104[/URL][/QUOTE]

Too much bran and those suckers refuse to go down.

[QUOTE=TMeister;5102752]

and shit always sinks to the bottom of the bowl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CincyHobbist;5103105]I love seeing all this bantering about politics! What I love even more is that folks on all sides think they actually have a say anymore in what is suppose to a democracy! The best way to defeat your ENEMY is from within their own form of Government! How many folks on here like paying 30% of what they earn to take care of folks that are able to work? BLA BLA BLA! Go find a piece of pussy to run your mouths on! LOL.[/QUOTE]Actually, only 8% of the budget (about $380 billion) goes to safety net programs, so it's really 2. 4% of your pay that goes to help people in need. That is about half of the $780 Billion per year corporate tax cuts passed into law in 2017. Repeal those cuts, and you will have more than enough money to fund safety net programs without affecting your paycheck.

[QUOTE=VinnieKramer;5102900]Ok, for discussion purposes, let's say it's not over.

What is going to happen next?

Do you honestly think that on Jan 21, Trump will somehow still be President?[/QUOTE]It goes to the Supreme Court where Trump just put 3 conservative judges. If they rule that PA, GA, MI changed election laws against the constitution (without a vote) or that they prove fraud with mail in voting, programmed election machines that changed votes they can invalidate the election. At that point it goes to congress where one elector per state votes along party lines for the president, and the Senate picks THE VP. It helps that 30 states are republican majority while 19 are run by Dems. If it goes this far Trump will win and it would be the 3rd time in our history that this has happened.

So, it ain't over.

[QUOTE=DNut;5103514]Actually, only 8% of the budget (about $380 billion) goes to safety net programs, so it's really 2. 4% of your pay that goes to help people in need. That is about half of the $780 Billion per year corporate tax cuts passed into law in 2017. Repeal those cuts, and you will have more than enough money to fund safety net programs without affecting your paycheck.[/QUOTE]I pay about 30% of my check into SSI, FICA, MEDICAD or whatever they call it now! More then likely I will not get what is owed to me from SSI! I have to work to pay 1200 a month in health insurance for my family. Then pay all of the out of pocket stuff on top of it! I worked in Avondale for a few years in retail. I made some friends over the years there that were 3rd,4th and 5th generation on the public tit! All very capable of working, but all raised to take advantage of the system and programs! As I said all left / center / right folks think they have a say on the national level, when they barely have a say on a local level. Think about this, if you would. In Cincinnati 80% of the population rents their living space. Those 80% have a larger say in what a property owner pays in taxes. I don't have an issue helping those that really need a hand up and out of poverty or a bad situation at all. However, I do believe that if a person is able to do something with a useful skill, then a few years in the military would be a great way up and out of their issues. As I was taught, teach a man to fish is better then giving a man a fish daily!

[QUOTE=BelowMe;5104120]It goes to the Supreme Court where Trump just put 3 conservative judges. If they rule that PA, GA, MI changed election laws against the constitution (without a vote) or that they prove fraud with mail in voting, programmed election machines that changed votes they can invalidate the election. At that point it goes to congress where one elector per state votes along party lines for the president, and the Senate picks THE VP. It helps that 30 states are republican majority while 19 are run by Dems. If it goes this far Trump will win and it would be the 3rd time in our history that this has happened.[/QUOTE]America just wonders whether you MAGA Cucks are more eager to lick the leaking hair dye off Ghouliani's ugly face or sip whatever lies and delusions drip out of Loser Trump's shriveled 3-inch cock??

Peoples Temple of Jonestown or the Red Hat Retards, there really is no difference between these low IQ brainwashed pieces of shit.

[QUOTE=Daddy4U;5103003]Anyone that would vote for a senile idiot like sleepy Joe is a retard. Just wait until his master China invades Taiwan.

Because you know it's coming. Know telling what Russia, Iran and North Korea will do with Joe calling the shots. He will be worse then Jimmy Carter. Remember Jimmy he gave away the Panama Canal let the Shah of Iran fall to the radical Islamic. How is that working out for us? As far as anyone putting a gun in their mouth it will be the retarded Biden voter.

The only problem is someone will need to show them how to load and pull the trigger.

I'm sure there will be plenty of people help them.[/QUOTE]Tis better to be mentally handicapped and vote for Biden who has some common sense than be a person with common sense who voted for Trump who is most definitely mentally handicapped.

Trumps is a piece of shit and his cult are too. Biden will keep funneling money to the military industrial complex instead of taking care of the needs of working Americans, that's what they do. At least decency and sanity will be restored on the world stage, but I think the shit stain trump left in America's whitey tighties ain't coming out. Even with bleach. People won't forget that we elect folks like GW Bush and trump on a regular basis and the sane leadership is probably a fluke rather than the norm. On our side they have idiots too. We are the fat loud selfish folks across the pond. I agree with them, just scroll through the comments anywhere. "We are the BEST!" Ummm, not really.

[QUOTE=BelowMe;5104120]It goes to the Supreme Court where Trump just put 3 conservative judges. If they rule that PA, GA, MI changed election laws against the constitution (without a vote) or that they prove fraud with mail in voting, programmed election machines that changed votes they can invalidate the election. At that point it goes to congress where one elector per state votes along party lines for the president, and the Senate picks THE VP. It helps that 30 states are republican majority while 19 are run by Dems. If it goes this far Trump will win and it would be the 3rd time in our history that this has happened.

So, it ain't over.[/QUOTE]Isn't that sweet. Why, bless your punkin' heart. Want someone to read you some more fairy tales, hun?