"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Walruscl; 1895007]Ha, I have lost that battle countless times before. I've usually viewed it as an attempt to provide a wake-up call to demonstrate how one-sided things are. After awhile it just gets tiring being the horn-dog all the time. Admittedly it's mostly served to sexually frustrate me and only garner a passing observation from the SO that "it has been awhile hasn't it".

We have had heart-to-heart discussions in the past where I have literally told her that it seems like I'd be happier if I could just make my libido go away. Responses ranged from resentment (go figure) , to short-lived attempts at putting some effort into the bedroom. Which always dies on the vine after a few weeks at most.

Turning down sex is not unprecedented, this is hardly different than most bottom-of-the-downswing times. The only difference is that I can cope with it better, and the trick is not letting that show I suppose. Right now there is so much else going on in our family that I can easily attribute it to burn-out, which frankly a lot of it is. Clearly it's not a good idea to let it continue for too long, and I don't intend to do that.

Agreed, although the goal of the SB was to be able to cope with the libido mismatch at home and avoid the anger and suffering. To a large extent that's working. An unanticipated side-effect was finding just how sexual some women really are. After years of living with the implicit worldview that it's my job to accommodate her tiny libido, I'm seeing that just maybe the problem isn't just my Y chromosome. But I'm pretty sure I can move to an "is what it is" mindset and not let that bother me.[/QUOTE]I have been where you are brother. And a lot of it is being too nice and having this covert contract that if I am nice to her I will get sex. But for women it does not work that way. They need tension not a nice guy but tension. Notice below I never said give her a gift or flowers. This can unfortunatley come off as needy and pressure to a woman. I quit giving my wife gifts even on holidays and it has not affected anything between us. If anything it has made things better. Ask yourself who are the gifts really for? Do you not think she knows this? Women are very intuitive.

They need tension. One of the ways to give her tension is with transparency and being direct. I would start by sitting her down and telling her what you need. No threats no resentment, no anger. Just what you need. Do this outside of an argument and when you are alone and can talk. Don't ask her about her needs tell her what yours are. Don't ask just tell her. Then just walk away calmly and let it sink in. See what happens. And whatever you do never ever react to her when she refuses sex. Just act as if it does not matter to you. Go on about your lives. See what she does.

Can't hurt right?

Revvo

Brothers.

I have come across a POT that is outside of my normal financial range. She cannot host because of a room mate, but she desires the full budget. I am not sure where this will lead and how far I am willing to go. I only consider this one because she is a legit model. 5'7, with a killer body to include a six pack. She is in her 20's and absolutely stunning..

Now it has been proven that giving more money does not equate to performance. So I move forward cautiously and I will keep you updated to journey together.

BT

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1895161]I have been where you are brother. And a lot of it is being too nice and having this covert contract that if I am nice to her I will get sex. But for women it does not work that way. They need tension not a nice guy but tension. Notice below I never said give her a gift or flowers. This can unfortunatley come off as needy and pressure to a woman. I quit giving my wife gifts even on holidays and it has not affected anything between us. If anything it has made things better. Ask yourself who are the gifts really for? Do you not think she knows this? Women are very intuitive.

They need tension. One of the ways to give her tension is with transparency and being direct. I would start by sitting her down and telling her what you need. No threats no resentment, no anger. Just what you need. Do this outside of an argument and when you are alone and can talk. Don't ask her about her needs tell her what yours are. Don't ask just tell her. Then just walk away calmly and let it sink in. See what happens. And whatever you do never ever react to her when she refuses sex. Just act as if it does not matter to you. Go on about your lives. See what she does.

Can't hurt right?

Revvo[/QUOTE]I used to start fake fights with my x so just so I could get makeup sex. What a waste of time (except I did get better sex). Just broke up with my "little princess" and made up. Can't wait to see her tomorrow. LOL. But that wasnt a fake fight. And it did open the lines of communication way better.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1895366]Brothers.

I have come across a POT that is outside of my normal financial range. She cannot host because of a room mate, but she desires the full budget. I am not sure where this will lead and how far I am willing to go. I only consider this one because she is a legit model. 5'7, with a killer body to include a six pack. She is in her 20's and absolutely stunning.

Now it has been proven that giving more money does not equate to performance. So I move forward cautiously and I will keep you updated to journey together.

BT[/QUOTE]How much more money brother?

I thought about springing for a really hot 10 looking chick locally one time. But could not pull the trigger since I had so much other quality pussy lined up.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1895380]How much more money brother?

I thought about springing for a really hot 10 looking chick locally one time. But could not pull the trigger since I had so much other quality pussy lined up.[/QUOTE]

She wants between 1200-2k per month. At twice a week I could normally handle 1200, but not including hotels too. Unfortunately, I have done it before, just spread out over 3 SBs. So we will see how this goes. I am going to look for a love nest roommate situation. If I could get the right price, I could save money.

10+ Face.

9. 9 body.

BT

Hey Tig, if she's close to Baltimore, I might be interested. I just lost one from my regular rotation, and another one is flakier than Kellogs lately. If I do the math right, the 12 is in my budget. PM me for details brother. MW.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1895424]She wants between 1200-2k per month. At twice a week I could normally handle 1200, but not including hotels too. Unfortunately, I have done it before, just spread out over 3 SBs. So we will see how this goes. I am going to look for a love nest roommate situation. If I could get the right price, I could save money.

10+ Face.

9. 9 body.

BT[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marcus Weiner;1895429]Hey Tig, if she's close to Baltimore, I might be interested. I just lost one from my regular rotation, and another one is flakier than Kellogs lately. If I do the math right, the 12 is in my budget. PM me for details brother. MW.[/QUOTE]I will keep you updated.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1895424]She wants between 1200-2k per month. At twice a week I could normally handle 1200, but not including hotels too. Unfortunately, I have done it before, just spread out over 3 SBs. So we will see how this goes. I am going to look for a love nest roommate situation. If I could get the right price, I could save money.

10+ Face.

9. 9 body.

BT[/QUOTE]First Red Flag: She was supposed to call me in 30 minutes. An hour an 1/2 later she had not called and I turned the batphone off. We'll see if she reaches out. So far, we've only emailed via the site and she has not sent an email or a text to my batphone.

This might be over before it starts.

BigTigg

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1895465]First Red Flag: She was supposed to call me in 30 minutes. An hour an 1/2 later she had not called and I turned the batphone off. We'll see if she reaches out. So far, we've only emailed via the site and she has not sent an email or a text to my batphone.

This might be over before it starts.

BigTigg[/QUOTE]I'm not sure why it took me so long, but finally did a TinyEye and badaBing. She's an escort. I'll have to wait until I get her phone number or a few more pics to confirm. But she's definitely a pro who's been around and has links all over the web. Usually I check TinyEye before I send the first email. I got so excited about her hotness, that I forgot my diligence.

I see I'm getting very lazy. I just did a google image search on a pic from a POT I was supposed to meet on Thursday for lunch. She's a pro also. Not as established as the other one, but a pro none the less. She posted an ad "Yesterday!", lol. I sent her the ad and asked "wassup", lol.

BT

Not much activities to report, but I do enjoy all the reports I've been reading. It greatly help to pass the time.

So while sitting around and unable to partake, I figure it's time to work on a few POTs to have ready when and I up again. I decided to sign up for premium membership with SA since I've been away from that site for a few months and played primarily on SD4M and CL.

Seems there a lots of GPS hanging around on the site these days, at least in my areas.

I won't go in much details, but will summarize some of the GPS (and they all are new members on the site) I've encountered in the last several days on SA. Obviously, I won't be doing any M&G with any of these girls.

POT1. Nice sexy blonde in mid 20s. Wanted $1k per date and the FC only happens after a nice meal and desert at a very fine establishment.

POT2. Another gorgeous blonde in her early 20s. Wanted $3k a month to meet once a week.

POT3. Beautiful brunette with a very athletic body. Said she needs to pay her rent or get evicted. Want me to send her $1. 2k in advance and she promised we'll have lunch the next day. I politely told her to fuck off.

A twist with the former 18YR ATF. So out of the blue I got a txt today from a number that looks familiar. The txt asked if this was * (my name). I said yes and asked who it was. I got a reply that says 'this is *'s mom'. At this moment, I was thinking this is not good and random thoughts ran through my mind (mostly bad thoughts). So I politely say hi and went silence. A little while later I got another txt 'I know what you have been doing with my daughter, and I want in on the action'.

I was fucking speechless and my jaw dropped for a long ass time. Didn't know what to react so I went silence for a bit, but then I say what the fuck I already did the daughter, why not do the mom too if she wants in on it. So I started txting back and we ended up exchangeing txts for a couple hours through the day. She wanted the same deal as her daughter, which is pretty manageable. Found out she's 39, has a hubby and probably want some more cocks and a little gifts/$ on the side. Got her to send some pics and she look just like the daughter. She still pack a pretty slim and tight figure for a MILF. We agreed on our terms, and I might bring her to the FC for a couple visits in the near future. Actually, I've learned a little lesson today. Apparently my 18YR AT told her mom everything about our little arrangement. It just goes to show that these girls could never keep their mouth shut and you never know who they tell about us and our little secrets, so just watch out.

[QUOTE=LoriTruck;1894896]Well the day is finally here where I get to meet Lug nuts. 9/7/10 & a preseason rank of a 10 on her skills based on her texts. She said she will wear a dress for easy access when I scoop her up at the airpot so I am looking forward to meeting her. She has the prettiest eyes, a nice rack & lips that were made for sucking.[/QUOTE]I hope your trip goes better than mine did with that one my brother. YMMV.

SubCmdr out

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1895640]Not much activities to report, but I do enjoy all the reports I've been reading. It greatly help to pass the time.

So while sitting around and unable to partake, I figure it's time to work on a few POTs to have ready when and I up again. I decided to sign up for premium membership with SA since I've been away from that site for a few months and played primarily on SD4M and CL.

Seems there a lots of GPS hanging around on the site these days, at least in my areas.

I won't go in much details, but will summarize some of the GPS (and they all are new members on the site) I've encountered in the last several days on SA. Obviously, I won't be doing any M&G with any of these girls.

POT1. Nice sexy blonde in mid 20s. Wanted $1k per date and the FC only happens after a nice meal and desert at a very fine establishment.

POT2. Another gorgeous blonde in her early 20s. Wanted $3k a month to meet once a week.

POT3. Beautiful brunette with a very athletic body. Said she needs to pay her rent or get evicted. Want me to send her $1. 2k in advance and she promised we'll have lunch the next day. I politely told her to fuck off.

A twist with the former 18YR ATF. So out of the blue I got a txt today from a number that looks familiar. The txt asked if this was * (my name). I said yes and asked who it was. I got a reply that says 'this is *'s mom'. At this moment, I was thinking this is not good and random thoughts ran through my mind (mostly bad thoughts). So I politely say hi and went silence. A little while later I got another txt 'I know what you have been doing with my daughter, and I want in on the action'.

I was fucking speechless and my jaw dropped for a long ass time. Didn't know what to react so I went silence for a bit, but then I say what the fuck I already did the daughter, why not do the mom too if she wants in on it. So I started txting back and we ended up exchangeing txts for a couple hours through the day. She wanted the same deal as her daughter, which is pretty manageable. Found out she's 39, has a hubby and probably want some more cocks and a little gifts/$ on the side. Got her to send some pics and she look just like the daughter. She still pack a pretty slim and tight figure for a MILF. We agreed on our terms, and I might bring her to the FC for a couple visits in the near future. Actually, I've learned a little lesson today. Apparently my 18YR AT told her mom everything about our little arrangement. It just goes to show that these girls could never keep their mouth shut and you never know who they tell about us and our little secrets, so just watch out.[/QUOTE]This is freaking Awesome!

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1895640]Not much activities to report, but I do enjoy all the reports I've been reading. It greatly help to pass the time.

So while sitting around and unable to partake, I figure it's time to work on a few POTs to have ready when and I up again. I decided to sign up for premium membership with SA since I've been away from that site for a few months and played primarily on SD4M and CL.

Seems there a lots of GPS hanging around on the site these days, at least in my areas.

I won't go in much details, but will summarize some of the GPS (and they all are new members on the site) I've encountered in the last several days on SA. Obviously, I won't be doing any M&G with any of these girls.

POT1. Nice sexy blonde in mid 20s. Wanted $1k per date and the FC only happens after a nice meal and desert at a very fine establishment.

POT2. Another gorgeous blonde in her early 20s. Wanted $3k a month to meet once a week.

POT3. Beautiful brunette with a very athletic body. Said she needs to pay her rent or get evicted. Want me to send her $1. 2k in advance and she promised we'll have lunch the next day. I politely told her to fuck off.

A twist with the former 18YR ATF. So out of the blue I got a txt today from a number that looks familiar. The txt asked if this was * (my name). I said yes and asked who it was. I got a reply that says 'this is *'s mom'. At this moment, I was thinking this is not good and random thoughts ran through my mind (mostly bad thoughts). So I politely say hi and went silence. A little while later I got another txt 'I know what you have been doing with my daughter, and I want in on the action'.

I was fucking speechless and my jaw dropped for a long ass time. Didn't know what to react so I went silence for a bit, but then I say what the fuck I already did the daughter, why not do the mom too if she wants in on it. So I started txting back and we ended up exchangeing txts for a couple hours through the day. She wanted the same deal as her daughter, which is pretty manageable. Found out she's 39, has a hubby and probably want some more cocks and a little gifts/$ on the side. Got her to send some pics and she look just like the daughter. She still pack a pretty slim and tight figure for a MILF. We agreed on our terms, and I might bring her to the FC for a couple visits in the near future. Actually, I've learned a little lesson today. Apparently my 18YR AT told her mom everything about our little arrangement. It just goes to show that these girls could never keep their mouth shut and you never know who they tell about us and our little secrets, so just watch out.[/QUOTE]LOL. Made me smile, then laugh, then hmmmm. So mom shares the daughters good looks. Hopefully she shares the same enthusiasm in the FC. Let's say things go well with her. When your 18yo atf new relationship ends (you know those young girl relationships typically last about as long as a business trip) you could be looking at some interesting three way action. WTF, why not? Don't tell me some of you didn't think of that as well.

Have fun with that one! I look forward to hearing how it goes. Should be a page turner.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1895640]Not much activities to report, but I do enjoy all the reports I've been reading. It greatly help to pass the time.

So while sitting around and unable to partake, I figure it's time to work on a few POTs to have ready when and I up again. I decided to sign up for premium membership with SA since I've been away from that site for a few months and played primarily on SD4M and CL.

Seems there a lots of GPS hanging around on the site these days, at least in my areas.

I won't go in much details, but will summarize some of the GPS (and they all are new members on the site) I've encountered in the last several days on SA. Obviously, I won't be doing any M&G with any of these girls.

POT1. Nice sexy blonde in mid 20s. Wanted $1k per date and the FC only happens after a nice meal and desert at a very fine establishment.

POT2. Another gorgeous blonde in her early 20s. Wanted $3k a month to meet once a week.

POT3. Beautiful brunette with a very athletic body. Said she needs to pay her rent or get evicted. Want me to send her $1. 2k in advance and she promised we'll have lunch the next day. I politely told her to fuck off.

A twist with the former 18YR ATF. So out of the blue I got a txt today from a number that looks familiar. The txt asked if this was * (my name). I said yes and asked who it was. I got a reply that says 'this is *'s mom'. At this moment, I was thinking this is not good and random thoughts ran through my mind (mostly bad thoughts). So I politely say hi and went silence. A little while later I got another txt 'I know what you have been doing with my daughter, and I want in on the action'.

I was fucking speechless and my jaw dropped for a long ass time. Didn't know what to react so I went silence for a bit, but then I say what the fuck I already did the daughter, why not do the mom too if she wants in on it. So I started txting back and we ended up exchangeing txts for a couple hours through the day. She wanted the same deal as her daughter, which is pretty manageable. Found out she's 39, has a hubby and probably want some more cocks and a little gifts/$ on the side. Got her to send some pics and she look just like the daughter. She still pack a pretty slim and tight figure for a MILF. We agreed on our terms, and I might bring her to the FC for a couple visits in the near future. Actually, I've learned a little lesson today. Apparently my 18YR AT told her mom everything about our little arrangement. It just goes to show that these girls could never keep their mouth shut and you never know who they tell about us and our little secrets, so just watch out.[/QUOTE]If you do the mom and daughter in the same day or better yet at the same time you are my hero.

Ok, since we're doing group therapy I want to ask a question. Has anyone ever just said "What would you think about having a sexually open relationship?" I ask because I truly love my wife and I would be physically ill if I had to give up on being a full time dad to my wonderful daughter. But if I could just fuck 20 year olds our marriage would be great! I don't want to be sexually monogamous but I do want to be emotionally monogamous (more or less). Anyone considered it but can't get the nerve to do it? What do you think your SO would say?

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1895062]This is the essence of the problem which is the outward display of an inward and infinitely more complicated problem. All couples go through ebbs and flows depending on what is going on in their lives, and I think most of us are understanding to a point. But chronic differences where a SO will not attempt to satisfy her man will ALWAYS result in a split. This works both ways but women usually have a different set of issues they are unhappy about. Men are frequently about sex.

I continue to see my ATF, who is a Sex Goddess. It is indeed wonderful to have a girl who thinks and talks about sex all the time. If I lived with her I would probably be the one who couldn't perform as regularly as she would like.[/QUOTE]