Trying this Sugar Baby thing.

Since beginning the SB / SD arena, I've made over 500 offers. I've only offered 250 or less a few times, at first from being a newb and not wanting to over pay, but eventually, from just throwing a flyer at an "average" looking girl. Turns out, I only met three of those. A 200 that started at 400 but forgot or got desperate. The other two countered with 300 and was what I thought a descent value at that price. None of those were better than average. Not only did the overwhelmimg number of others deny the offer, most never replied and the rest horse laughed at it before blocking me no matter how good or bad they looked. So I choose not to risk being blocked by a 9 just so I can drive down prices for everyone else. I wouldn't consider average / below average looking girls as being STG quality. But I would say that, if I'm looking for average / below average looking, I'll get on a dating app or go to the local bar. If I wouldn't f* them for free, why would I pay money. Turns out, the ones I want to f* are, with a very rare exception, 400 or more. I keep seeing guys b* about driving up prices, and stating what things are worth, but you are not lining up my girls. As mentioned earlier, we are not making the market, we are reacting to it. Once some of these pandemic rich daddies run out of money, youight see a change but these girls literally have hundreds of messages a day. Why would they need to take less.

BTW, many of those 400 or higher, turned into multi- hour, multi-pop dates with lots mileage I would have never get in an independent or AMP, Eros girl, or even UTR pro. So if 400 instead of 200 or 300 means I'm over paying, tell me what I'm doing wrong or show me some 20 something 8's and 9's that will respond and show up.

[QUOTE=BrianPeter;6070857]I do not use STG or equivalent, so I don't know what those rates are. I have found plenty High Caliber women on seeking for 200 and below. And others for higher. The thing is, if you have a range, stick to it. If chicks are asking for higher, just move on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GutterMind4;6071699]Since beginning the SB / SD arena, I've made over 500 offers. I've only offered 250 or less a few times, at first from being a newb and not wanting to over pay, but eventually, from just throwing a flyer at an "average" looking girl. Turns out, I only met three of those. A 200 that started at 400 but forgot or got desperate. The other two countered with 300 and was what I thought a descent value at that price. None of those were better than average. Not only did the overwhelmimg number of others deny the offer, most never replied and the rest horse laughed at it before blocking me no matter how good or bad they looked. So I choose not to risk being blocked by a 9 just so I can drive down prices for everyone else. I wouldn't consider average / below average looking girls as being STG quality. But I would say that, if I'm looking for average / below average looking, I'll get on a dating app or go to the local bar. If I wouldn't f* them for free, why would I pay money. Turns out, the ones I want to f* are, with a very rare exception, 400 or more. I keep seeing guys b* about driving up prices, and stating what things are worth, but you are not lining up my girls. As mentioned earlier, we are not making the market, we are reacting to it. Once some of these pandemic rich daddies run out of money, youight see a change but these girls literally have hundreds of messages a day. Why would they need to take less.

BTW, many of those 400 or higher, turned into multi- hour, multi-pop dates with lots mileage I would have never get in an independent or AMP, Eros girl, or even UTR pro. So if 400 instead of 200 or 300 means I'm over paying, tell me what I'm doing wrong or show me some 20 something 8's and 9's that will respond and show up.[/QUOTE]From my experience, most girls think that we are going to be one and done so they ask for a higher initial amount. This is what some babies told me. They have said if you see me often then the rate drops. I've had 400 and 500 girls that went down to 200. These were some fine chicks. As many of us know YMMV. Not all do this but some do.

Chatted with this one. She tells me she's looking for a weekly allowance. Okay, how much? She says it depends on how many times I want to see her. I say maybe once a week. She then says what do you want to do when we meet? Sex of course silly rabbit! LOL! She then tells me. She won't be intimate until she develops a "connection" and is "comfortable" with you.

So let me get this straight, you expect a guy to pay you to be around you? Man, some of these women are delusional. She's not even hot. She's average at best.

Wow is all I can say.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0f3a8b08-35cd-4228-9710-e0d488189222[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheMechanik365;6071943]Chatted with this one. She tells me she's looking for a weekly allowance. Okay, how much? She says it depends on how many times I want to see her. I say maybe once a week. She then says what do you want to do when we meet? Sex of course silly rabbit! LOL! She then tells me. She won't be intimate until she develops a "connection" and is "comfortable" with you.

So let me get this straight, you expect a guy to pay you to be around you? Man, some of these women are delusional. She's not even hot. She's average at best.

Wow is all I can say.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0f3a8b08-35cd-4228-9710-e0d488189222[/URL][/QUOTE]I will put her less than average.

[QUOTE=SmallAsianCock;6072105]I will put her less than average.[/QUOTE]That's why I said average at best.

Here's the kicker. She asked if the give her money to hangout (no sex) was a dealbreaker and of course I said yes. Instead of her bowing out gracefully, she got all bitchy and tried to drag me about wasting time and not reading bios.

So of course I went and checked her bio and of course she didn't have anything in there about giving her money for nothing.

Soooo, I politely let her know about this and she blocked me. LOL!

Moved this one quickly to text. Beautiful girl and body is banging. I offered 300 ppm, she all but laughed and said at least double. She then said I should try Cool Cave Spa for FS at that price. I guess she might be an ex employee.

Anyway, she's out of my price range.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/2f8a3fad-193c-4ec2-a897-f5c8abc8ff46[/URL]

This one is a pro. She has ads on a couple of different escort sites.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/d9b0998e-7c87-438c-9061-b18b5eb808e7[/URL]

A bit of interesting history with this one. First chatted with her under a different name. Said she's married to a female. Sent pics and videos to confirm that they are lovers. Anyway, she wanted 700 to pay her rent and she would drive to Charlotte from Greensboro.

Talked her down to $400 but thought that she as too much so I declined. She got mad and claimed I was a scammer because I didn't pay her for the pics and videos but I never asked, she offered.

She was back in my messages telling me she was desperate and offering 300. She did say her wife is available as well. Getting a 3 some would be tough as they have kids but she made it clear both are available for solo's.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/0e835c3b-d717-4a34-ad51-d697b531b1a3[/URL]

This is my hope, and possibly the only way I continue SBs. When we hitl it off and everyone has a good time, a few have offered a better rate next time. I believe them but, so far, the travel schedule doesn't put me back to see them again for weeks. They often "forget" what they said, go off grid, or I just don't want to repeat. I have had one repeat so far and she went from 5 to 3. Frankly, she should have been 3 the first time. I've only been good at this about 4 or 5 months so once I get enough contacts in each city I visit, this should get more reasonable. God knows I've put the research in, geez. I have learned to promise more frequent visits too to make them feel it won't be "one and done". Can't say that's worked yet but the chicks have heard it all.

[QUOTE=BrianPeter;6071833]From my experience, most girls think that we are going to be one and done so they ask for a higher initial amount. This is what some babies told me. They have said if you see me often then the rate drops. I've had 400 and 500 girls that went down to 200. These were some fine chicks. As many of us know YMMV. Not all do this but some do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheMechanik365;6073184]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/0e835c3b-d717-4a34-ad51-d697b531b1a3[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheMechanik365;6072672]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/d9b0998e-7c87-438c-9061-b18b5eb808e7[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheMechanik365;6072661]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/2f8a3fad-193c-4ec2-a897-f5c8abc8ff46[/URL][/QUOTE]The 3 links you posted go to your inbox on seeking. Would you mind trying with different links please?

I wouldn't mind looking up the Pro & 2 from Greensboro, you never know till you look.

The only one I was able to see the profile was CupidsFavorite & no way I'd pay $600 for that.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=KnowBody;6073651]The 3 links you posted go to your inbox on seeking. Would you mind trying with different links please?

I wouldn't mind looking up the Pro & 2 from Greensboro, you never know till you look.

The only one I was able to see the profile was CupidsFavorite & no way I'd pay $600 for that.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Maybe you or someone else can help me? All I did was go to the profile and copied the link.

Is there something I'm missing?

This one is in Columbia and wanted 400 to drive here. I declined. She called me yesterday and said she had a meeting in Charlotte at 4 and could do 300 since she would be here.

I didn't have time. She strikes me as a pro. When I inquired about her no list, she said no anal, no CIM and CFS.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0826e9c5-fffb-4fd9-8c8b-fe79223a8a22[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheMechanik365;6073977]This one is in Columbia and wanted 400 to drive here. I declined. She called me yesterday and said she had a meeting in Charlotte at 4 and could do 300 since she would be here.

I didn't have time. She strikes me as a pro. When I inquired about her no list, she said no anal, no CIM and CFS.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0826e9c5-fffb-4fd9-8c8b-fe79223a8a22[/URL][/QUOTE]I dreamt of this girl once. Wouldn't call her a pro. Little bigger than photos suggest. Mediocre BBBJ. The rest of the nos you listed were spot on, did do COB. Very limited kissing, no DFK. Paid 300 and haven't gone back. Not highly recommend.

[QUOTE=TheMechanik365;6073957]Maybe you or someone else can help me? All I did was go to the profile and copied the link.

Is there something I'm missing?[/QUOTE]When in their messages, click on the SBs picture. That takes you to their actual profile. Copy the link from there.

[QUOTE=GutterMind4;6071699]BTW, many of those 400 or higher, turned into multi- hour, multi-pop dates with lots mileage I would have never get in an independent or AMP, Eros girl, or even UTR pro. So if 400 instead of 200 or 300 means I'm over paying, tell me what I'm doing wrong or show me some 20 something 8's and 9's that will respond and show up.[/QUOTE]The above is my exact thoughts. I likewise typically only pursue what I perceive as 8's or higher. Personally, I ignore the ones that profile mentions they are passport ready, love traveling, arm candy, or upgrading their lifestyle and I average 400 ppm. Only once I agreed to 500 but she's a hot Colombian fantasy come true for me LOL.