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[QUOTE=IMelgar111;5693627]So what is your advise on finding these low volume UTR?[/QUOTE]The new accounts on seeking is where I found mine. Others have trolled the dollar stores. It's a hit or miss with a lot lot more miss. I fuck about 30 girls before I find one who is low volume and fun.
[QUOTE=EagleLuver;5693863]The new accounts on seeking is where I found mine. Others have trolled the dollar stores. It's a hit or miss with a lot lot more miss. I fuck about 30 girls before I find one who is low volume and fun.[/QUOTE]How do you actually know they are low volume?
It's like how do you know you're wife isn't fucking the milkman.
It's a lot of assuming.
I've been seeing one for at least three years and she used to call me at least once a week.
Now she doesn't.
I assumed she was low volume, but I really don't know for sure.
If a woman will give it up for money then the sky is the limit.
You don't you can generally tell within a few dates. The one I have had off and on for 4 years I thought was high volume because she just got naked and jumped on. Found out later I was the first and she didn't really see many more because she was shy and just didn't like it. She kept me for whatever reason.
I look for not strung out, able to communicate effectively and at least makes me feel like I am one of the few. You can tell the pros easy enough and the druggies. In between is well good enuf.
[QUOTE=Vegasmatt;5693876]How do you actually know they are low volume?
It's like how do you know you're wife isn't fucking the milkman.
It's a lot of assuming.
I've been seeing one for at least three years and she used to call me at least once a week.
Now she doesn't.
I assumed she was low volume, but I really don't know for sure.
If a woman will give it up for money then the sky is the limit.[/QUOTE]
Easy, many of the chics I fuck with, I spend alot of time, over nights, most of a day / night or even multi days & nights in one shot. What Do I observe. Are they saying "I got to do a date real quick. An hour or less & it'll be done. " are they getting none stop calls & texts, do they turn the phone off or at least down while with me or best. But it out of sight the whole time. From these extended sessions, you get an idea of how busy they are. What they say, do, have. Like their own place, car, dope, room mates yes or no, How often they post or not. When I call or text, do they Always respond within a few minutes. How often when I contact them do they need some time. What ever they say. Like is that enough time to get fucked by another first? Or are they in a hurry after me to go somewhere?
None of that is absolute proof of Low but put together & with a lot of time spent together, I think I can get a sense of the volume. I don; t like being rushed. At all though it may happen with a reg sometimes. But I won't have that every time or most of the time with a chic, I;ll find someone else. So I get a comp room every week at a locals casino, I have my list of great regs & some good ones, then a list of saw 1 or 2 x want to see again, then a list of looks great, want to try, finally a list of saw, don't plan on repeating, but just in case.
Most often I see a my regs at the room, usually with no notice or a day or a few hours notice or none at all, yet, the various regs I've seen over the years, USUALLY spend most of the night or all of it, the next day, and sometimes ask me to get another night or nights. All the time from arrival until I leave, time spent together, eating smoking fucking gambling sucking bathing sleeping laughing. And for rates I don't believe, LOW, in order to jump into the sack and stay for a lot less than they'd get in a few hours, they stay with me and we both have great times. SO, they must be some what low volume, no volume when with me. Yet they also have enough money to not sweat $$$ & time is $$ I don; t know I don; t ask. But the ones that may be high volume would not spend so much time with me for what our agreed rates are so often. Doesn't make sense but I bull shit you not, & THis is NO FKN Bragging. It is: IF I can do this, some of you surely can & must be doing, cause I'm not fucking Don Juan & have a peckerwood standard 7. Any way, the high volume like me or not, well, they are watching the clock, in their nature, As others have chimned in on this one, clearly many do have their own BB stables they developed on their own. The only question seems to revolve around "Low Volume" my preference, but it only makes sense of those I see, but- YOU want bare raw pussy. Volume don't matter. Yet, so go make your stable, figure shit out, see what works for you. And then when you got a program, you maybe can fill up with regs of HI LOW or what ever preferences you have. Put a few of them #s up here and see how fast they won't be able to see you anymore. J / k YMMV but its all here in Vegas, just got to mine the ore get the gold. No one gives that away good luck & Merry Christmas.
[QUOTE=MobyCock;5694240]Easy, many of the chics I fuck with, I spend alot of time, over nights, most of a day / night or even multi days & nights in one shot. What Do I observe. Are they saying "I got to do a date real quick. An hour or less & it'll be done. " are they getting none stop calls & texts, do they turn the phone off or at least down while with me or best. But it out of sight the whole time. From these extended sessions, you get an idea of how busy they are. What they say, do, have. Like their own place, car, dope, room mates yes or no, How often they post or not. When I call or text, do they Always respond within a few minutes. How often when I contact them do they need some time. What ever they say. Like is that enough time to get fucked by another first? Or are they in a hurry after me to go somewhere?
None of that is absolute proof of Low but put together & with a lot of time spent together, I think I can get a sense of the volume. I don; t like being rushed. At all though it may happen with a reg sometimes. But I won't have that every time or most of the time with a chic, I;ll find someone else. So I get a comp room every week at a locals casino, I have my list of great regs & some good ones, then a list of saw 1 or 2 x want to see again, then a list of looks great, want to try, finally a list of saw, don't plan on repeating, but just in case.
Most often I see a my regs at the room, usually with no notice or a day or a few hours notice or none at all, yet, the various regs I've seen over the years, USUALLY spend most of the night or all of it, the next day, and sometimes ask me to get another night or nights. All the time from arrival until I leave, time spent together, eating smoking fucking gambling sucking bathing sleeping laughing. And for rates I don't believe, LOW, in order to jump into the sack and stay for a lot less than they'd get in a few hours, they stay with me and we both have great times. SO, they must be some what low volume, no volume when with me. Yet they also have enough money to not sweat $$$ & time is $$ I don; t know I don; t ask. But the ones that may be high volume would not spend so much time with me for what our agreed rates are so often. Doesn't make sense but I bull shit you not, & THis is NO FKN Bragging. It is: IF I can do this, some of you surely can & must be doing, cause I'm not fucking Don Juan & have a peckerwood standard 7. Any way, the high volume like me or not, well, they are watching the clock, in their nature, As others have chimned in on this one, clearly many do have their own BB stables they developed on their own. The only question seems to revolve around "Low Volume" my preference, but it only makes sense of those I see, but- YOU want bare raw pussy. Volume don't matter. Yet, so go make your stable, figure shit out, see what works for you. And then when you got a program, you maybe can fill up with regs of HI LOW or what ever preferences you have. Put a few of them #s up here and see how fast they won't be able to see you anymore. J / k YMMV but its all here in Vegas, just got to mine the ore get the gold. No one gives that away good luck & Merry Christmas.[/QUOTE]This. This right here. This all day and more on the weekends.
If you want a cheap chick, that's fine. If you only have a few bucks, that's fine. I have found that if you treat chick well, you get it back in spades. I've been nice to people, dancers, waitresses, bartenders, shooter girls, and I've gotten plenty of free pussy in my life, or really cheep by the hour. These aren't hood rats, but some fine ass chicks that are way above my looks grade. The best looking woman I have ever seen in my life offered it up to me for free. Literally a weekend at her house. All I had to do was to show up and bang her. She said her husband couldn't get it up any more, so she was free to do what she wanted and I was a safe option for her. And, her husband would make us food all weekend. This came not only from her, but her husband told me the same thing. Letters to the editor of playboy are tame compared to the offers I get. How does it happen? I'm nice, but firm. I'm comfortable in my own skin, and I'm not afraid to ask for what I want. I don't throw money around. I just treat people with respect.
I am guessing from just reading this post that even girls in Vegas who escort prefer someone who treats them well than someone who just throws their money around. Keep it up Moby, no pun intended.
Stay safe out there!
[QUOTE=MobyCock;5694240]It is: IF I can do this, some of you surely can & must be doing, cause I'm not fucking Don Juan & have a peckerwood standard 7. Any way, the high volume like me or not, well, they are watching the clock, in their nature, As others have chimned in on this one, clearly many do have their own BB stables they developed on their own. The only question seems to revolve around "Low Volume" my preference, but it only makes sense of those I see, but- YOU want bare raw pussy. Volume don't matter. Yet, so go make your stable, figure shit out, see what works for you. And then when you got a program, you maybe can fill up with regs of HI LOW or what ever preferences you have. Put a few of them #s up here and see how fast they won't be able to see you anymore. J / k YMMV but its all here in Vegas, just got to mine the ore get the gold. No one gives that away good luck & Merry Christmas.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Joesouncool;5694401]How does it happen? I'm nice, but firm. I'm comfortable in my own skin, and I'm not afraid to ask for what I want. I don't throw money around. I just treat people with respect.
I am guessing from just reading this post that even girls in Vegas who escort prefer someone who treats them well than someone who just throws their money around. Keep it up Moby, no pun intended.
Stay safe out there![/QUOTE]Yea I'll never understand why I hear stories from so many girls about how men that are trying to fuck them treat them like trash. Escorts, SB's, etc. It costs nothing to be nice.
I don't live in Vegas, so I don't get an opportunity to meet many civ women when I'm there. Are you guys mostly hooking up with waitresses, etc? Or is it people still in the sex industry?
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;5694489]Yea I'll never understand why I hear stories from so many girls about how men that are trying to fuck them treat them like trash. Escorts, SB's, etc. It costs nothing to be nice.
I don't live in Vegas, so I don't get an opportunity to meet many civ women when I'm there. Are you guys mostly hooking up with waitresses, etc? Or is it people still in the sex industry?[/QUOTE]I don't live in Vegas either. I used to travel to Vegas a lot, so I've kept up with the forum.
My experience is not in Vegas on this. Heck, I never really tried my system in Vegas. I just assumed that the chicks there were too hardened. I guess if I had been a little more with an attempt, I would have had success. Anyway, I'm not talking about girls doing porn or making money with their pussy. I'm talking about shooter girls, waitresses, bartenders, and a bunch of strippers. I was at a strip club with shooter girls. I started talking to a shooter girl. I applied a little of my system and paid attention to what was happening at that moment. When she gave me her phone number, I asked if she was looking for money. She was very insistent that she was no hooker. She wanted a fuck with someone that she didn't think would kill her. This wasn't an isolated incident. The best looking stripper I have ever seen is another one, but she was up in Dc. I've had this happen with waitresses, strippers, and bartender chicks. There are a lot of women desperate for sex and attention from men. I am convinced that there are a lot of these women out there. I used to think that this was only about a 1-3% number of women, but I think it is higher, a lot higher. Now, it's not all women, but it's got to be something like 10-20%.
As the original poster said, he has no problems getting escorts to stay with him for a long time. Why? Because he treats them like people. He isn't a Dick. He's not calling them at 2:30 am asking them what $50 will get them. I'm to the point now, I just don't give out contact info for the chicks I know. They'd quickly figure it out, and I would get anything no matter what I offered.
That's my thoughts on the subject.
Stay safe out there.
[QUOTE=Joesouncool;5694683]The best looking stripper I have ever seen is another one, but she was up in Dc. I've had this happen with waitresses, strippers, and bartender chicks. There are a lot of women desperate for sex and attention from men. I am convinced that there are a lot of these women out there. I used to think that this was only about a 1-3% number of women, but I think it is higher, a lot higher. Now, it's not all women, but it's got to be something like 10-20%.
As the original poster said, he has no problems getting escorts to stay with him for a long time. Why? Because he treats them like people. He isn't a Dick. He's not calling them at 2:30 am asking them what $50 will get them. I'm to the point now, I just don't give out contact info for the chicks I know. They'd quickly figure it out, and I would get anything no matter what I offered.
That's my thoughts on the subject.
Stay safe out there.[/QUOTE]That's interesting because that's not what my experience has been at all regarding women and their access to sex with someone safe. For the most part, I've observed that women, if all they want is to get laid, could go out and get laid every day of the week. All from male friends or people they know who aren't serial killers. I used to party a lot, and there was this one white chick who came out all the time, she was like 5'8 or 5'9, pretty chubby. Had to be at least 160-180. I remember her telling me about how she went home one night with this black male model who partied at the club with us frequently. She banged this dude with literal six pack, and she wasn't even a 6/10 on my scale. Then again, guess the stereotype about black guys and phat asses holds true:
She's an extreme example, but I have literally never heard a girl complain about not getting laid. I don't talk to ugly girls, so IDK maybe they have that issue. But every shot girl, bottle girl, cocktail waitress, stripper, etc all tell me they get hit on by guys all day every day at work, and I'm assuming SOME of them are bound to engage in a regular convo like you and I do with them, and give off the safe vibe.
IDK, I'm 6' and 300 lbs. Maybe I'm just too hideous, so even though I have game and treat these girls like regular people and have conversations with them, they're still not wanting to drop their panties. I've got a phone full of stripper, bottle girl, etc numbers, go through and delete them every year or so cause I don't talk to most of them anymore.
Also hilarious that you met the hottest stripper at a DC club. I live in DC, shit fucking sucks. No private rooms or lap dances LOL. And the strippers are comparatively uglier since they can barely make decent money. There's a few diamonds in the rough for sure, but man it's such a waste of time to actually go to the club for its own sake.
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And also, I think escorts are HARDER to get to stay longer for same $. I've never had one that wasn't fucking trashed or high who didn't watch the time a little. I mostly play with higher end girls, $500+/hr. Sure, I've stayed an extra 30 or 40 min before, but never booked an hour appointment and ended up staying all afternoon, or booked 3 hours and ended up sleeping over and having breakfast the next day. Good for you guys that have managed this!
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;5694950]That's interesting because that's not what my experience has been at all regarding women and their access to sex with someone safe. For the most part, I've observed that women, if all they want is to get laid, could go out and get laid every day of the week. All from male friends or people they know who aren't serial killers. I used to party a lot, and there was this one white chick who came out all the time, she was like 5'8 or 5'9, pretty chubby. Had to be at least 160-180. I remember her telling me about how she went home one night with this black male model who partied at the club with us frequently. She banged this dude with literal six pack, and she wasn't even a 6/10 on my scale. Then again, guess the stereotype about black guys and phat asses holds true:
She's an extreme example, but I have literally never heard a girl complain about not getting laid. I don't talk to ugly girls, so IDK maybe they have that issue. But every shot girl, bottle girl, cocktail waitress, stripper, etc all tell me they get hit on by guys all day every day at work, and I'm assuming SOME of them are bound to engage in a regular convo like you and I do with them, and give off the safe vibe.
IDK, I'm 6' and 300 lbs. Maybe I'm just too hideous, so even though I have game and treat these girls like regular people and have conversations with them, they're still not wanting to drop their panties. I've got a phone full of stripper, bottle girl, etc numbers, go through and delete them every year or so cause I don't talk to most of them anymore.
Also hilarious that you met the hottest stripper at a DC club. I live in DC, shit fucking sucks. No private rooms or lap dances LOL. And the strippers are comparatively uglier since they can barely make decent money. There's a few diamonds in the rough for sure, but man it's such a waste of time to actually go to the club for its own sake.
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And also, I think escorts are HARDER to get to stay longer for same $. I've never had one that wasn't fucking trashed or high who didn't watch the time a little. I mostly play with higher end girls, $500+/hr. Sure, I've stayed an extra 30 or 40 min before, but never booked an hour appointment and ended up staying all afternoon, or booked 3 hours and ended up sleeping over and having breakfast the next day. Good for you guys that have managed this![/QUOTE]That's why you don't hire hourly Escorts. You find the ones who want / need money, treat them like human beings. Generally they are fine with sex for money, they just don't want creepy weird vibes. They may even have kinks they want explore, and love being fucked and cummed in. However if you start out with "***** I am going to fuck your ass and make you taste your own shit" the only girls you will get are druggie and / or pros who watch the clock.
[QUOTE=EagleLuver;5695171]That's why you don't hire hourly Escorts. You find the ones who want / need money, treat them like human beings. Generally they are fine with sex for money, they just don't want creepy weird vibes. They may even have kinks they want explore, and love being fucked and cummed in. However if you start out with "***** I am going to fuck your ass and make you taste your own shit" the only girls you will get are druggie and / or pros who watch the clock.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I don't mean to say that you will get good results from druggies or girls with mental issues. Both will steal you blind and have no remorse. However, there are girls like I mention previously.
Good luck guys. Stay safe out there!
[QUOTE=Jedi69;5691341]Can confirm "EmilyRose" is BBFS friendly. I have only known her as Alice, and I was one of her very first clients on HX when she joined. BBBJ, DATY, DFK, FIV, 69, BBFSCIP, pics, 45 minute video is the summary of my session with her a couple of years ago.
You can check her PD account for current pics but this what she looked like when I creampied her in LA. I blurred out the face.[/QUOTE]How old are those pics? I don't think she looks that good these days.
[QUOTE=RogerOver;5695769]How old are those pics? I don't think she looks that good these days.[/QUOTE]Saw her a few days ago. Can confirm she looks rougher. Looks drugged up. Whole room reeked of weed and she asked if I had blow. Her session was terrible. Paid for a hhr 250 and couldn't even get BBFS cause she was on some birth control shit and was leaking blood. She tells me this after I set down donation of course and as I'm taking off my clothes. Major turn off. On top of that, I asked her if she in general does BBFS maybe and she goes "I don't, a lot of people say that I do and some guy wrote a review and said that I do that, but I definitely don't" and clearly was lying because she mentioned just before that "that's a bit extra. " under her breath but then decided to switch up and say that she doesn't do it. She gave me BBBJ for LITERALLY 1 min (I recorded it, she at least let me do that, even tho she said it would "be lame" since she can't perform. She just seemed SUPER lazy. No desire to do anything and literally was just looking to get paid for nothing. Blew me for 1 minute and then told me to do her mish, covered. I opted to switch positions but she grabbed me and held me down and said "noooo I don't want to, just keep going like this babe". Complete turn off. Nutted in the rubber after like 5 min and just called it. She told me I could use the shower and was like "I'm sorry babyI'm just not feeling well and this medication is killing me". Well then why tf did you agree to see a client? Literal money grab and absolute BS. I'm the idiot in this one, whatever. Got 250 out of me for literally less than 10 min. When she texted me, she said 250 hhr msog GFE and I got none of that. Not the time, msog, or GFE. She told me "text me soon, I'll make it up to you". I think I'm good on that one. I'll take that 250 and gladly spend it on a more worthy provider. I was also too nice and she probably took advantage of me. But she was bleeding all over the rubber and just completely robotic. I understand maybe the birth control thing makes her like this, but don't agree to see a client and ruin their promised experience and make them waste 250 on some bs like that. She also didn't look anything like her recent pics. Slurry words, thick black eyeliner looking whacked out, and robotic as hell. Not worth it in my opinion, but maybe you'll have a better experience than me. That's just my side. Good luck.
[QUOTE=Lvdig8100;5696090]She also didn't look anything like her recent pics. Slurry words, thick black eyeliner looking whacked out, and robotic as hell. Not worth it in my opinion, but maybe you'll have a better experience than me. That's just my side. Good luck.[/QUOTE]I didn't actually get to see her, but just text interactions made me not want to. Super flaky, can't respond to texts and have a conversation even when I text back within 5 seconds of her sending one. Once told me "almost ready" and then never hear from her again when I was supposed to go over to her.
IDK how you dudes deal with shitty providers like this. At least with SB's that are flaky and shit at texting, they're 8/10 or better and the aim is to BBFSCIP for a low rate, or a reasonable rate and a long time.
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;5696159]I didn't actually get to see her, but just text interactions made me not want to. Super flaky, can't respond to texts and have a conversation even when I text back within 5 seconds of her sending one. Once told me "almost ready" and then never hear from her again when I was supposed to go over to her.
IDK how you dudes deal with shitty providers like this. At least with SB's that are flaky and shit at texting, they're 8/10 or better and the aim is to BBFSCIP for a low rate, or a reasonable rate and a long time.[/QUOTE]I saw her too and had a similar experience (minus the blood). She seemed strung out and the room absolutely REEKED of weed. No hint of the GFE or MSOG advertised, and the pics are her but were definitely heavily filtered.
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;5694950]That's interesting because that's not what my experience has been at all regarding women and their access to sex with someone safe. For the most part, I've observed that women, if all they want is to get laid, could go out and get laid every day of the week. All from male friends or people they know who aren't serial killers. I used to party a lot, and there was this one white chick who came out all the time, she was like 5'8 or 5'9, pretty chubby. Had to be at least 160-180. I remember her telling me about how she went home one night with this black male model who partied at the club with us frequently. She banged this dude with literal six pack, and she wasn't even a 6/10 on my scale. Then again, guess the stereotype about black guys and phat asses holds true:
She's an extreme example, but I have literally never heard a girl complain about not getting laid. I don't talk to ugly girls, so IDK maybe they have that issue. But every shot girl, bottle girl, cocktail waitress, stripper, etc all tell me they get hit on by guys all day every day at work, and I'm assuming SOME of them are bound to engage in a regular convo like you and I do with them, and give off the safe vibe.
IDK, I'm 6' and 300 lbs. Maybe I'm just too hideous, so even though I have game and treat these girls like regular people and have conversations with them, they're still not wanting to drop their panties. I've got a phone full of stripper, bottle girl, etc numbers, go through and delete them every year or so cause I don't talk to most of them anymore.
Also hilarious that you met the hottest stripper at a DC club. I live in DC, shit fucking sucks. No private rooms or lap dances LOL. And the strippers are comparatively uglier since they can barely make decent money. There's a few diamonds in the rough for sure, but man it's such a waste of time to actually go to the club for its own sake.
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And also, I think escorts are HARDER to get to stay longer for same $. I've never had one that wasn't fucking trashed or high who didn't watch the time a little. I mostly play with higher end girls, $500+/hr. Sure, I've stayed an extra 30 or 40 min before, but never booked an hour appointment and ended up staying all afternoon, or booked 3 hours and ended up sleeping over and having breakfast the next day. Good for you guys that have managed this![/QUOTE]Yeah, women can get sex whenever they want it. It is weird. Not sure why I get my share of them. I'm not out trolling for it, in fact I'm very rarely out and around. When I am out, it seems like it just falls in my lap. I've talked to a few other people. We all treat people fairly, and it seems to fall in our lap. Now, I'll admit that I got stolen from and a large amount once, but that was the exception, not the rule.
Stay safe out there.