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[QUOTE=Christophe1;2085992][URL]http://m.youtube.com/results?q=birthday%20katy%20perry&sm=1[/URL]

That's the synopsis of what I'm doing.[/QUOTE]I guess it boils down to having an existential crisis in relation to making a 'monger fo' life commitment VS. The societal vision (of mediocrity). I mean short of having a chick that is totally cool w / a swinger lifestyle I just don't know how to envision giving up all that azz. The problem is further complicated by the fact that I have a chica that gives me no problems (currently) and is (on paper) near perfect.

To dump her would be like.. I dunnoo... Handing over the keys to a fine Porsche. But eventually... I am bound to get tired of running that thing around, right? And the maintenance? I mean she is in tip top condition but that can't last foreva eva, eva, foreva? Eva? Eva?

[QUOTE=ClassAct;2086147]I guess it boils down to having an existential crisis in relation to making a 'monger fo' life commitment VS. The societal vision (of mediocrity). I mean short of having a chick that is totally cool w / a swinger lifestyle I just don't know how to envision giving up all that azz. The problem is further complicated by the fact that I have a chica that gives me no problems (currently) and is (on paper) near perfect.

To dump her would be like.. I dunnoo... Handing over the keys to a fine Porsche. But eventually... I am bound to get tired of running that thing around, right? And the maintenance? I mean she is in tip top condition but that can't last foreva eva, eva, foreva? Eva? Eva?[/QUOTE]I'm single and I'm free to mingle.

I'm like you, young and making a decent wage. The money combined with freedom = world of opportunity (literally been to numerous countries and banged many women of all walks of life).

Compared to my friends who took the 'common' way of life (married with kids) and seeing how miserable most are, I'm glad I took the single path. You know what? I am free to do what I want, when I want and with whom ever I want. I live the life my married friends wish they could.

I'm sure if I come across a girl that turns my life upside down (in a good way) I'll think about changing, but I tell ya... Its been FUN as fuck being single and experiencing the things I have. The plus side, as you get older, you really start to know what you NEED in a relationship and not what you WANT (or think you need) when you were younger. Damn, if I married the 'love of my life' from my younger days, I'd be miserable now.

Sure there are pros and cons of being married but you can do both. Enjoy the single life while you can... Once you marry and have kids, its pretty hard to live like this.

[QUOTE=ClassAct;2086147]I guess it boils down to having an existential crisis in relation to making a 'monger fo' life commitment VS. The societal vision (of mediocrity). I mean short of having a chick that is totally cool w / a swinger lifestyle I just don't know how to envision giving up all that azz. The problem is further complicated by the fact that I have a chica that gives me no problems (currently) and is (on paper) near perfect.

To dump her would be like.. I dunnoo... Handing over the keys to a fine Porsche. But eventually... I am bound to get tired of running that thing around, right? And the maintenance? I mean she is in tip top condition but that can't last foreva eva, eva, foreva? Eva? Eva?[/QUOTE]Perfection fades in everyone so you have to ask yourself if you would be OK with her when the shine wears off because eventually it will. If you can't then choose the monger fo life option and be satisfied with it. Whichever you choose the most important thing is to be satisfied with your decision. Even that nut job Gwyneth Paltrow knows that people aren't meant to spend their entire life together, she calls it her fancy shmancy word for divorce A "Conscious Uncoupling" That dude from Coldplay calls it "Groupie Coupling 7 days a week now".

I think if you're already questioning it then your choice is clear, keep banging away until it doesn't feel right anymore. The decision you make today is not set in stone so don't sweat it and do what makes you happy, not what other people think will make you happy.

[QUOTE=ClassAct;2058203]Any words of advice? Monger 4 eva? If you could look at your younger self and tell him the wisdom you have acquired today, what would it look like? Free free to PM.

#ByThePowerOfUSASG.[/QUOTE]I know unhappy dudes on both sides of the equation. For every unhappily married middle-aged guy, there is a lonely old monger caught in the trap because he could never "settle."

As the saying goes, "Happy is a choice."

Sure, being free is great, but only if you decide to be happy on your own time. Unless you have a really strong sense of self, there are going to be times when you are unhappy being alone, whether you couple or not. Unless you are really good at setting (and respecting) boundaries, you are going to find a time when you are unhappy in any relationship you are in.

The people I know who are happiest in relationships were also pretty happy out of them. If you are seeking happiness in a relationship, then you will be disappointed.

If sex is the only reason you see to be in a relationship, then you will never find a perfect relationship. If good sex is more important than the other things you get out of a good relationship, then by no means should you enter into a long-term relationship, unless you can find someone who feels the same way... But then of course, the relationship is already doomed.

If I could speak to my younger self, I would have encouraged him to not get into any serious relationships until he was 25. I would have encouraged him to develop his "game" instead of going to strip clubs and mongering. I would have encouraged him to find his own happiness within, instead of seeking it elsewhere.

But I also would have told him that at some point, hopefully by his mid-30's, to find someone like-minded to settle down with, because, you know, it's nice to wake up next to someone who knows you.

The most notorious single man on the planet right now is probably George Clooney, and I just saw that he is engaged. (On a tabloid headline, so who knows if it's true?) I'd expect that as much as a playboy as he's been, when he decides to settle down, it would be pretty real for him. He knows the game, he's lived the dream, and he has probably had more pussy than anyone in this forum. Without paying for it, or being expected to settle down. I'd bet my bottom dollar, he is a happy man.

And that's the important thing in life.

[QUOTE=MrSixty;2087351]I know unhappy dudes on both sides of the equation. For every unhappily married middle-aged guy, there is a lonely old monger caught in the trap because he could never "settle."

As the saying goes, "Happy is a choice."

Sure, being free is great, but only if you decide to be happy on your own time. Unless you have a really strong sense of self, there are going to be times when you are unhappy being alone, whether you couple or not. Unless you are really good at setting (and respecting) boundaries, you are going to find a time when you are unhappy in any relationship you are in.

The people I know who are happiest in relationships were also pretty happy out of them. If you are seeking happiness in a relationship, then you will be disappointed.

If sex is the only reason you see to be in a relationship, then you will never find a perfect relationship. If good sex is more important than the other things you get out of a good relationship, then by no means should you enter into a long-term relationship, unless you can find someone who feels the same way... But then of course, the relationship is already doomed.

If I could speak to my younger self, I would have encouraged him to not get into any serious relationships until he was 25. I would have encouraged him to develop his "game" instead of going to strip clubs and mongering. I would have encouraged him to find his own happiness within, instead of seeking it elsewhere.

But I also would have told him that at some point, hopefully by his mid-30's, to find someone like-minded to settle down with, because, you know, it's nice to wake up next to someone who knows you.

The most notorious single man on the planet right now is probably George Clooney, and I just saw that he is engaged. (On a tabloid headline, so who knows if it's true?) I'd expect that as much as a playboy as he's been, when he decides to settle down, it would be pretty real for him. He knows the game, he's lived the dream, and he has probably had more pussy than anyone in this forum. Without paying for it, or being expected to settle down. I'd bet my bottom dollar, he is a happy man.

And that's the important thing in life.[/QUOTE]Or warren beatty who mongered / dated till he was 55 and has now been married for over 20 years. The opposite of me who was married or in a live in monogamous arrangement since the age of 22 with 4 women lasting almost 30 years total. Now officially confirmed single until I see my ability to mount multiple women becoming impossible for some reason I dont want to think about. Like getting old. boohoo

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2087542]Or warren beatty who mongered / dated till he was 55 and has now been married for over 20 years. The opposite of me who was married or in a live in monogamous arrangement since the age of 22 with 4 women lasting almost 30 years total. Now officially confirmed single until I see my ability to mount multiple women becoming impossible for some reason I dont want to think about. Like getting old. boohoo[/QUOTE]Yeah... It definitely seems smarter to get it all out of your system while you are younger. Take as long as you need. Being middle-aged and wondering what might have been is lame. Heck, even Hugh Hefner has been married three times. On the other hand, getting marriage out of the way when you are younger is also probably a good way to go. As long as you handle any kid situations with dignity, and try not to screw up your kids too much... Being 40+ and single is probably kind of a blast, with the right attitude.

Ah, it all goes back to what I said... If you choose happiness, you will be happy, whichever way you go.

[QUOTE=MrSixty;2088039]Yeah... It definitely seems smarter to get it all out of your system while you are younger. Take as long as you need. Being middle-aged and wondering what might have been is lame. Heck, even Hugh Hefner has been married three times. On the other hand, getting marriage out of the way when you are younger is also probably a good way to go. As long as you handle any kid situations with dignity, and try not to screw up your kids too much... Being 40+ and single is probably kind of a blast, with the right attitude.

Ah, it all goes back to what I said... If you choose happiness, you will be happy, whichever way you go.[/QUOTE]I choose to be happy. And my daughter is a spoiled princess. And is currently living at home.

[QUOTE=MrSixty;2088039]Yeah... It definitely seems smarter to get it all out of your system while you are younger. Take as long as you need. Being middle-aged and wondering what might have been is lame. Heck, even Hugh Hefner has been married three times. On the other hand, getting marriage out of the way when you are younger is also probably a good way to go. As long as you handle any kid situations with dignity, and try not to screw up your kids too much... Being 40+ and single is probably kind of a blast, with the right attitude.

Ah, it all goes back to what I said... If you choose happiness, you will be happy, whichever way you go.[/QUOTE]The notion that we get stuff out of our system is bullshit. If it's in your system, it usually has a replenishing supply. I don't know any guys who were horny at 20 who aren't still horny at 35 or 52. Guys who were assholes and picking fights at 18 usually mellow over time, but you can sure pick them out of a crowd even though they're 47. You are who you are unless you change, but don't think that if you have a passion for something you can get it out of your system. YOU don't get it out of your system, LIFE beats it out of you until you just don't have the fight in you any more because the payoff isn't there, therefore no motivation to do it.

Soooo many guys I've known have gone into marriage with the attitude "I've had my fun". No you haven't. You are going to miss fun, especially when you work your ass off so that your kids can have fun and your wife can have fun while you have no fun and it's all one giant chore and they don't appreciate shit. Then you spend the rest of your life driving your piece of shit car to your shitty job but turning up the radio and pretending that you're a rock star because your life sucks. You do all these little things to pretend you can capture a little excitement or glory, and you live with the emotional pain that you never even gave yourself a shot at a decent life. Meanwhile, you were surrounded by men who were married and miserable, probably starting with your own father, and you weren't smart enough to know you were getting into the same trap.

Here's how you make a decision at a crossroads: What do I really want? There it is. Don't worry about what other people will think of you, because you don't have to live with them, you only have to live with you. Have you ever given in to pressure and been wildly happy that you did? Probably not, so why give in to the pressure to get married and have kids when you really want to travel Europe and fuck everything you can. I would hate to think that my money was being used to buy a better life for my wife and kids while I have a shitty life because I have a wife and kids. I would hate to see some cocky 24-year-old asswipe come into work every day earning half the money I do but driving a nice new car and talking about the gorgeous nympho he picked up at a club Friday night who sucked his dick all weekend, but I'm driving a 9-year-old mini van and begging my wife for sex and she sure doesn't look like the girls at the club. It's sad when a woman who lives on the street and does drugs is hotter than the woman you married, and nicer to you for $20.

Women can be great friends and great co-workers, but when you marry them everything changes, and we all know that. It's not 100% of the time, but the success rate for marriage is pretty low. No other product on the market would sustain with a success rate of about 20%. Do you think if 54% of people who at at Burger King stormed out and hated it and called a lawyer, that Burger King would stay in business? What about the other people who are trapped in Burger King and can't get out? What about the ones who run for their lives or even end up in jail or prison because of their horrible experience at Burger King? Who the fuck would eat at fucking Burger King? But people can't wait to get married and they all think it will be different for them, but the menu is limited and you can't control most of what happens. So, unless you love Whoppers more than anything, you might be happy ordering a pizza, or cooking at home, or getting some Chinese take-out, or a big bucket of KFC, or just going to bed early. Do you want to eat Burger King every night for the rest of your life? You better love Burger King.

That was dead on correct!!

Being married is an absolute nightmare. Sam Kinison was right on this topic.

Happy Mothers Day to all the sexxy single moms!

Yummy Mommy's!!

Been a member for a while just hardly don't post but what bill wrote is exactly what I'm experiencing right now. Spilt with the wife a couple of months ago and asking my self what do I really want.

[QUOTE=SuckerBill;2088365]The notion that we get stuff out of our system is bullshit. If it's in your system, it usually has a replenishing supply. I don't know any guys who were horny at 20 who aren't still horny at 35 or 52. Guys who were assholes and picking fights at 18 usually mellow over time, but you can sure pick them out of a crowd even though they're 47. You are who you are unless you change, but don't think that if you have a passion for something you can get it out of your system. YOU don't get it out of your system, LIFE beats it out of you until you just don't have the fight in you any more because the payoff isn't there, therefore no motivation to do it.
<big snip>[/QUOTE]Man, I agree with almost everything you said, except... I do know guys who are happily married, and I do know guys who got stuff out of their system, including me. Yes, I'm just as horny as I was when I was 23, but the BS of clubs, AMPs and all the other stuff holds little allure for me now. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be dating, and I'm way to old to hang out in clubs or go to college, or whatever I did to get laid back in the day. Maybe we're saying the same thing, and that's what you consider having it "beat our of me." I've tried a lot of things on this planet, and even the exciting stuff gets, if not boring, old, after a while. I no longer race my car, for example, even though it would get me the same thrill. Once you get older, the risk-reward equation starts to weigh more heavily on your mind. You ask yourself, "Is it worth it?" for everything, from eating a burger, to racing your car, to fucking P4 P, to dating, marriage, whatever..

I do ask myself, "What do I want," and then I ask "Is it worth it?" If the answer is no, then I let it go, and don't pine away for it...

OK, enough philosophy.

New question: Has anyone found an AMP where the provider has a tongue stud? It's on my bucket list...

-60-.

[QUOTE=SuckerBill;2088365]The notion that we get stuff out of our system is bullshit. If it's in your system, it usually has a replenishing supply. I don't know any guys who were horny at 20 who aren't still horny at 35 or 52. Guys who were assholes and picking fights at 18 usually mellow over time, but you can sure pick them out of a crowd even though they're 47. You are who you are unless you change, but don't think that if you have a passion for something you can get it out of your system. YOU don't get it out of your system, LIFE beats it out of you until you just don't have the fight in you any more because the payoff isn't there, therefore no motivation to do it.
[/QUOTE]Gentlemen,

In case I haven't made it clear yet, Thank you. You've all been class acts in putting up w / my Jr. Question. I appreciate it. This is the type of sage advice that you just can't receive from your uncles or cousins who have wasted away their lives w / their spiteful, emasculating, 275 lb wives nor from your buddies who are currently 'nesting.' Nope. I needed to hear this from MFs that have been around the block, seen some ish, men who understand time / value, risk / reward paradigms.

You also answered one of my most illusive questions... "will I ever mellow over time?" No. I will merely learn to control the flame. Time to draft up a new game plan.

I'm not much of a "420" guy. Weed / cigarettes just have not appealed to me even though I have tried it many times in the past. I see a lot of posts from supposed non-pros asking to bring 420 for hookup. Of course I can't take advantage of those situations since I don't smoke nor do I know anyone where I could purchase. But more importantly, I think even if I did smoke, going into the situation with drugs just puts you more at risk as if the risk of getting robbed or busted isn't high enough. On top of that, all the news info about busts involving the internet have always involved drugs so I recon the chance of walking into a string is much higher if drugs are involved. I just avoid them all no matter how tempting they may be.

How do you guys see it? Any success stories such as bringing 420 in exchange for some action? Of course if it wasn't mentioned before the hookup and you both happened to be pot heads. That would be a different story.

[QUOTE=Seephor;2093139]I'm not much of a "420" guy. Weed / cigarettes just have not appealed to me even though I have tried it many times in the past. I see a lot of posts from supposed non-pros asking to bring 420 for hookup. Of course I can't take advantage of those situations since I don't smoke nor do I know anyone where I could purchase. But more importantly, I think even if I did smoke, going into the situation with drugs just puts you more at risk as if the risk of getting robbed or busted isn't high enough. On top of that, all the news info about busts involving the internet have always involved drugs so I recon the chance of walking into a string is much higher if drugs are involved. I just avoid them all no matter how tempting they may be.

How do you guys see it? Any success stories such as bringing 420 in exchange for some action? Of course if it wasn't mentioned before the hookup and you both happened to be pot heads. That would be a different story.[/QUOTE]No way would I bring drugs of any sort to a session. Only a fool would.

[QUOTE=Seephor;2093139]I'm not much of a "420" guy. Weed / cigarettes just have not appealed to me even though I have tried it many times in the past. I see a lot of posts from supposed non-pros asking to bring 420 for hookup. Of course I can't take advantage of those situations since I don't smoke nor do I know anyone where I could purchase. But more importantly, I think even if I did smoke, going into the situation with drugs just puts you more at risk as if the risk of getting robbed or busted isn't high enough. On top of that, all the news info about busts involving the internet have always involved drugs so I recon the chance of walking into a string is much higher if drugs are involved. I just avoid them all no matter how tempting they may be.

How do you guys see it? Any success stories such as bringing 420 in exchange for some action? Of course if it wasn't mentioned before the hookup and you both happened to be pot heads. That would be a different story.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the words of wisdom!

Yes, I would never, ever do that even if I do drugs (which I don't even touch).

I mean, if the woman in question is LE, then you get double strike.

If she is working with her pimp to rob you while you're high, you get screwed.

Is it worth to take that risk?

I don't think so.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2093856]Last time I looked all you need is a med card. We live in california where marijuanna is legal. No girl is exchanging weed for sex. They can buy it on every corner in L.A. "legally". And weed doesn't make any girl want to have sex that isnt agreeing to already. Most girls 18 to 22 all smoke and guys are always giving them free weed. The bottom line is if you smoke and they do too, you will have better sex. If they smoke and you don't you will have better sex. If you smoke and they don't, they don't really care and you will have better sex. So get a med card, buy the best weed and let them smoke if they want.

if neither person smokes I guess its a moot point. LOL[/QUOTE]You got that right! Just like the old saying that the only thing better than a hot slutty dancer in VIP is a drunk hot slutty dancer in VIP, same goes for providers after a blunt.

[QUOTE=Seephor;2093139]I'm not much of a "420" guy. Weed / cigarettes just have not appealed to me even though I have tried it many times in the past. I see a lot of posts from supposed non-pros asking to bring 420 for hookup. Of course I can't take advantage of those situations since I don't smoke nor do I know anyone where I could purchase. But more importantly, I think even if I did smoke, going into the situation with drugs just puts you more at risk as if the risk of getting robbed or busted isn't high enough. On top of that, all the news info about busts involving the internet have always involved drugs so I recon the chance of walking into a string is much higher if drugs are involved. I just avoid them all no matter how tempting they may be.

How do you guys see it? Any success stories such as bringing 420 in exchange for some action? Of course if it wasn't mentioned before the hookup and you both happened to be pot heads. That would be a different story.[/QUOTE]I must admit that I met up with a mid 20 yo black non-pro in Long Beach about 2.5 to 3 years ago. Turned out to be an on going thing that lasted about 6 months meeting up with her weekly. Gave her some money for the 420, also threw her $60 to $80. Each time we met to help her with some bills, smoked and crawled into my back seat with her, ate her black pussy out for 30 - 40 minutes each time then fucked her and blew my load in her, on top of her, in her mouth, on her perky black tits....it was fun!

Lost track of her. Now just memories. But I would be very careful as other are posting, mine was probably the exception to the rule.

Be safe!

The Tall Man.

[quote=jackreacher;2096504]todays paper.

[url]http://www.dailynews.com/social-affairs/20140518/prostitution-in-los-angeles-city-changes-its-game-to-combat-sex-trade-on-the-streets[/url][/quote]"los angeles police and prosecutors are cracking down on prostitution." it's the world's oldest profession, it's not going away. i would think by pushing it underground, they would create the type of abusive, drugged up, beat down, pimping of **** and enslaved women that they're allegedly trying to help.

""no one chooses to be a prostitute. no little girl wakes up and says 'this is what i want to do with my life' deputy chief jorge villegas...said." this is untrue. just yesterday i was told by an escort, i don't participate in prostitution, that she loves to have sex. she likes girls and boys. she just really loves sex. one day she said to herself, i got to do something with my life. after some thought she concluded there are 3 things that will always be needed; food, sex, and housing (not sure she said housing). she decided to make money by doing the second and saving money for a steak house. time and time again i am told by women that are sober that they love making money by escorting. and if they choose to have sex, why is that a problem. sex is good. hopefully everyone is doing it, often. why do some think that no one wants to have sex? and if they do have sex for money, why do they have to be forced to do it? everyone needs money. got to eat, need housing, and children also need things. yes, some girls do think that when they grow up they want to be a prostitute. i've heard that at least 20 times. then they say that they love their job, and that they're damn good prostitutes. of course, i feel stunned because i thought the money was for their time and that i won them onto the sheets with my good looks and humble personality.

"across los angeles county, a string of diversion programs designed to lead prostitutes mostly female, but also male away from the streets and into education, counseling and job opportunities are getting off the ground." good. why does la spend so much money on schools and hardly anyone is being educated. why can't they fire bad teachers. why is there a teacher's union. california taxes way too much and toyota is now leaving torrance. even if a kid gets a good education these days, they'll still have to fight over service jobs at mcdonald's and other shitty non-paying jobs that they'll spend their life commuting to. has anyone been to germany? i love germany. people there are educated, it's modern (fucking like disneyland), and they legalized prostitution. get over it la county. give the people what they want. sex! sex sales. if they legalized sex for money, i'd do it. hell yeah. i'd give a hot girl money for sex. i drove to mexico just to hand over a twenty to hot chica for sex. then i did it again. and again. hmm, all this prostitution talk is making me want to visit tijuana. look la guys, ever heard of pompeii? [url]http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-ancient-brothels-of-pompeii[/url] at the entrance to the city my guide said there were at least 20 known brothels. scratching my head. hmmm?

why if a guy bashes other guys fighting over a ball it's looked upon as good? they abuse their body for money and become heroes. if a girl uses her body to make money by having sex, it's bad? really? those women are my heroes. we need the ho olympics and send them to schools to educate other people about sex and earning a decent living. tell the graduating class to avoid drugs and bad relationships, have sex for money, and save up to buy a house, then a business so that they can retire young. see the world.

sorry for writing to myself and posting it here. money is the new god without a doubt. cities, buildings, and businesses are made in it's worship. i worship human interaction and finding divinity in simple interpersonal communication, and even more so in physical communication. sex. i've left my body in these journeys and seen beauty unparalleled in my exploration of sex. in my exploration of music and art. even in my past simple drug use. there are 4 types of escorts that i've come across. those on serious drugs that want to get high. those that make really good money and don't want to work in another profession. those that were adopted or in child custody until they were 18 and kicked out on the streets. a guy would pick them up and help them with a room for the night and some money in exchange for sex. or those that have a crappy boyfriend that they feel the need to support. if the city wants to criminalize someone they should go after the pandering. those that try to entice a girl to perform sex acts for money. those are the bad guys. i don't see why two adults making the choice to do a service for money is a crime. a john is a criminal? if i hire a maid to clean my house it's legal. if i hire a woman to clean my pipe it's illegal, seems like apples to apples to me.

a girl said to me once after i was with her, i gave her food, some gifts, and a massage, "you should be my pimp." i laughed but inside i thought that it was a sweet gesture. to her, a pimp was someone that was a care giver. at that point i thought they all can't be bad. i don't know. i try to avoid those girls, and from what i've seen on the streets with the girls fleeing into traffic that there are for sure some bad ones. those ones need to be locked up.

for god's sake, legalize it. why criminalize and criticize it? prostitution good. pandering bad. management good. pimping bad. money makes the world go round. get used to it.

I've slowed down on my mongering here in los angeles. I only see girls that iv been with before, because of these sting operations. Don't get me wrong I still like to drive around, snap a few pics, chat with the girls, but rarely partake. I've been pulled over 2 times in the last 9 months and been let go, but not after I was questioned by LE as to why I was driving around in a know prostitution track at 2 am. The first time I was rolled, I used an excuse that someone here used. I told them I was in search of late night tacos LOL. It worked!! And the other time LE pulled me over, I was talking to a BSW. I just told them she approached my car while I was at the stop light. They as well let me go after they said " I don't believe your story, and this is your only warning".

So I go to Tijuana..there's less stress about whos around and watching you. The fear of stopping in the middle of a side street chatting with the girls, and telling yourself, " damn I hope the next car that turns onto the same street is not a cop". Or telling the girl to jump out of the car a fast as she can after doing the deed. This can all be nerve racking.

Tijuana does cost more due to gas, rooms, and drinks... But its well worth it. I just have to save for a few months and drive down to one of the greatest places on earth. Hell, I'm even going this weekend for 2 nights and I can't wait.

Legalizing prostitution in the US would be great. I would pay as well. But until then VIVA LA TIJUANA!

Because most voters are bored stay-at-home housewives that have "christen values" they don't understand that the real world is libertican. That young cute poor girls need $$ and they don't mind giving up pu $$why to trade for it.

[URL]http://myburbank.com/05/sections/policefire/police-activities/woman-allegedly-hits-car-driven-by-fleeing-john/[/URL]

The male driver told police he had been at the Extended Stay hotel near Empire Avenue and Buena Vista Street with an alleged prostitute he met online, added Ryburn. The male refused to pay the female for services and fled the hotel in his Jeep.

His vehicle was followed by an Audi, which rammed his Jeep from behind while driving north on Buena Vista Street. Then the Audio pulled alongside and struck the right rear of the Jeep with the left side of the car, causing the Jeep's driver to lose control and strike the parked Chrylser.

[quote=christophe1;2097147]"los angeles police and prosecutors are cracking down on prostitution." it's the world's oldest profession, it's not going away. i would think by pushing it underground, they would create the type of abusive, drugged up, beat down, pimping of **** and enslaved women that they're allegedly trying to help.

""no one chooses to be a prostitute. no little girl wakes up and says 'this is what i want to do with my life' deputy chief jorge villegas said."

for god's sake, legalize it.[/quote]no, deputy chief villegas, no little girl dreams of being a prostitute when they grow up. they dream of being princesses and fairies, because they're stupid little kids and they don't know what a prostitute is. i'll bet no little girl dreams of being a fucking denny's waitress, either, but they do that to make money and pay their bills because that's where life has taken them. little girls don't dream of being hotel maids scrubbing shitty toilets all day, or pole dancers shaking their tits for dollar tips, or serving drinks in a smokey bar until 2 am or working the overnight shift at gas-and-shit, but lots of them do that and a thousand other shitty jobs and that seems to be okay. no little boy dreams of working a shit job, either, but i've known college graduates who took jobs driving a cab, delivering pizza, moving furniture and walking dogs because that's where they ended up in life, and no fucking asshole politician is helping them do better and they've earned it.

why do you look down on prostitutes, deputy chief villegas? is it so bad that they offer a service to earn money? what's the alternative? rob someone to get drugs? go on some program where the government gives them money? isn't that just another way of me paying to get fucked? i just don't get to cum that way, and it probably costs me a lot more in the long run because the money has to be filtered through three or four government programs. we all know how the government works, and i know that for every $100 of my tax money, probably $2 goes to actual problem solving.

it makes our community look bad? our community looks like shit, anyway. between the graffiti, the hordes of illegal day workers spilling out into the streets from every paint store, truck rental place and home dept, the homeless, the litter, the piles of horse shit, the broken down cars, the filthy screaming children whose parents ignore them and the crime that goes untouched while police hand out seat belt tickets all day long, that's what makes our community look bad.

this is an easy situation to handle, so that's why you're going after it. there are enough illegal aliens and gangbangers to keep you busy 24 hours a day for the rest of your career if you chose to actually clean up this city for real. we have a 50% hit-and-run rate, the worst in the entire country. what are you doing about that? these problems effect me a lot more than someone paying a woman for a blowjob and they both go home happy.

none of this bullshit is about prostitution. it's all about nailing taxpayers to bleed their wallets dry, and about controlling sex because everyone is so fucking hung up when it comes to sex. no one is going to stick up for johns because then they won't get votes. every country in the world that has legal prostitution is way better off than we are. i understand you don't want some fat ass hooker walking down your street in a mini skirt with her cooch hanging out, but i don't want to see your fat screaming children running around my movie theater, either, so fuck you. do you know how many times i've almost been smashed into by some asshole backing out onto a main street from one of those shitty taco wagons? why is that legal? or is it?

the only reason politicians and housewives lament about prostitutes is because they are prostitutes, fucking whoever they have to in order to get by in life. just admit that this is a way to get your name in the news and it's easier than solving any real problems.

You are preaching to the Choir here. Why don't you copy and paste your comment to the LA Times letters to the editor? And any other place it might get read!!

[QUOTE=SuckerBill;2098786]No, Deputy Chief Villegas, no little girl dreams of being a prostitute when they grow up. They dream of being princesses and fairies, because they're stupid little kids and they don't know what a prostitute is. I'll bet no little girl dreams of being a fucking Denny's waitress, either, but they do that to make money and pay their bills because that's where life has taken them. Little girls don't dream of being hotel maids scrubbing shitty toilets all day, or pole dancers shaking their tits for dollar tips, or serving drinks in a smokey bar until 2 AM or working the overnight shift at Gas-and-Shit, but lots of them do that and a thousand other shitty jobs and that seems to be okay. No little boy dreams of working a shit job, either, but I've known college graduates who took jobs driving a cab, delivering pizza, moving furniture and walking dogs because that's where they ended up in life, and no fucking asshole politician is helping them do better and they've earned it.

Why do you look down on prostitutes, Deputy Chief Villegas? Is it so bad that they offer a service to earn money? What's the alternative? Rob someone to get drugs? Go on some program where the government gives them money? Isn't that just another way of me paying to get fucked? I just don't get to cum that way, and it probably costs me a lot more in the long run because the money has to be filtered through three or four government programs. We all know how the government works, and I know that for every $100 of my tax money, probably $2 goes to actual problem solving.

It makes our community look bad? Our community looks like shit, anyway. Between the graffiti, the hordes of illegal day workers spilling out into the streets from every paint store, truck rental place and Home Dept, the homeless, the litter, the piles of horse shit, the broken down cars, the filthy screaming children whose parents ignore them and the crime that goes untouched while police hand out seat belt tickets all day long, THAT'S what makes our community look bad.

This is an easy situation to handle, so that's why you're going after it. There are enough illegal aliens and gangbangers to keep you busy 24 hours a day for the rest of your career if you chose to actually clean up this city for real. We have a 50% hit-and-run rate, the worst in the entire country. What are you doing about that? These problems effect me a lot more than someone paying a woman for a blowjob and they both go home happy.

None of this bullshit is about prostitution. It's all about nailing taxpayers to bleed their wallets dry, and about controlling sex because everyone is so fucking hung up when it comes to sex. No one is going to stick up for Johns because then they won't get votes. Every country in the world that has legal prostitution is way better off than we are. I understand you don't want some fat ass hooker walking down your street in a mini skirt with her cooch hanging out, but I don't want to see your fat screaming children running around my movie theater, either, so fuck you. Do you know how many times I've almost been smashed into by some asshole backing out onto a main street from one of those shitty taco wagons? Why is that legal? Or is it?

The only reason politicians and housewives lament about prostitutes is because THEY are prostitutes, fucking whoever they have to in order to get by in life. Just admit that this is a way to get your name in the news and it's easier than solving any real problems.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Watnow78;2097234] VIVA LA TIJUANA![/QUOTE]Tee Jay?

I've never gone for more than a day or just a pass thru. Can anyone pass the 411 on best place to stay and how to pick up a girl for long time? Preferably in the $ range. Never got wild in the strip clubs either. Road trip!

Any chance that The Camel is there this weekend too?

[QUOTE=Christophe1;2099843]Tee Jay?

I've never gone for more than a day or just a pass thru. Can anyone pass the 411 on best place to stay and how to pick up a girl for long time? Preferably in the $ range. Never got wild in the strip clubs either. Road trip!

Any chance that The Camel is there this weekend too?[/QUOTE]Not this weekend Chris. I'll be going down for a few weekdays around mid-June for a pleasure tour before I have to shut down for an extended medical adventure in early July. I'll drop you a PM of my schedule when I know it. Would be great to hook up down there and I'll be happy to share a billion stories and clue you in on the nuances that open up the next levels of the Tijuana experience.

Its going to be a madhouse this weekend BTW, especially on Saturday. American holidays can be weird on the Sunday night because it isn't a holiday in Mexico and the chicas mostly aren't too cognizant or don't give a shit that the streets and bars will be full of gringos unlike most dead Sunday nights. So Saturday is a madhouse where walking through HK or Adelita near midnight will be like trying to rush a football into the end zone on a 4th and 2 in a championship game. Sunday will be a sausage fest though patience will get you more than you need before the night is over.

So much to say about landing the good economic overnight guests. I'll just give a few clues. First, fagetaboutit with the major gringo bars like Adelita or HK on any weekend night if you want extra special at a bargain rate. No bargains unless the chica is seriously in love with you in which case you'll do better to pay her big money. All the bars charge bar fines for taking a chica on shift away, that is beyond the bar's own associated hotel. The gringo bars will be ridiculous about that on a holiday weekend. Negotiable but your best deal will not be a good one for either the chica or the barfine.

The answer is to go to ANY OTHER BAR. Most gringos who are casual visitors and only do the standard short term with gringo bar girls and SGs do not feel comfortable at the "locals' bars". With a couple of exceptions, there are few Americans around if any. Blaring latin music and dancing. You will get a special hustle from the wait staff who hyperventilate at the sight of a gringo customer thinking their annual income is about to double and their oldest hijo will go to college after all. They can suffocate you if you don't know how to deal and get along without letting them take over your prerogatives.

The good news is all the chicas want you too though you need to avoid the aggressive ones. You can find relatively "normal" mexicanas in these bars. FOBs who will remind you of non-pros in SoCal. You need to work them to gain simpatico and then you are in for an ultimate and economic all night fiesta with a less onerous bar fine. It will take some time to build "confianza" not to mention that the house and the chica want you there to milk your wallet for ficha drinks for a while before she agrees to take off with you. So an investment is usually required up front with a new chica for you but you can draw boundaries and the in-bar ficha time can be a fantastic over the edge party that sets the tone for a fantastic long term hotel marathon. So if you just ask a girl you don't know to go to the hotel, its most likely going to be mechanical wham bam which is fine enough for many, but yo, no. So it should be fairly obvious that the more Spanish you have at your disposal the more fun you're going to have and the pace of simpatico building will be accelerated. Virtually none of the chicas in the smaller locals' bars speak any English. Not a good game for guys who just want to fuck. My game after almost 20 years of carousing Tijuana is that I have no agenda but to have a good time. I want to party in the bars and go with the flow. Almost always turns out to be an excellent story with a good beginning, hot middle and blissful final act.

Some times you want to go with the flow but numbers are easy to get so the best way to go is to be there for at least a couple of nights. The chicas you meet in a bar on night one can visit you at your hotel on day 2 without your having to pay a bar fine. They take the day off to be with you or see you off shift. Not so great to take them after their shift is over from these locals bars since you can expect them to be ready to fall into a drunken coma once they get relaxed with you in bed and maybe the coma comes while your dick is in one of their orifices. I've had 3 chicas pass out with my dick in their mouth. Not really a good thing! Better to meet them when they're sober and have a few drinks together to achieve a most useful level of adjustment.

SGs are another option. Many won't leave their own spot and usual hotel with a stranger for the sake of security, but if you can get silly with them on the street and make them laugh they can thaw out pretty quickly. Some others just won't leave because their Padrote would not be too happy about them leaving the known zone and probably earning less on an overnighter than calming 15 erections for 15 minutes at a time. But if you find a good and willing SG, and there are plenty among the mobs who are out there on weekends, an offer of $100-150 or even less for overnight hours may seem irresistible and actually desirable to relax in a comfortable room for hours at a time with just one erection to administer to. You could even invest in a cheap short term session with the chica which will give her a chance to get comfortable enough with you to take it on the road for something more special. Don't do business with "walkers" who are messed up English speaking drugged out deportees or just on the run. Don't do business with "helpful" intermediaries and guides who speak English. They are also deportees, drug addicts and dealers and the policia will note that you have bad taste in amigos.

Best hotels right in the middle of the zona action are Cascades which is shared by HK and Las Chaveles bar next door, and Hotel Coahuila which is the Adelita Hotel. Both have been remodeled and modernized. Still at least slightly a 3rd world experience but completely comfortable. I have had enough of that chaos after many years and prefer to use a luxury hotel named Hotel Ticuan which is about a half mile from the zona norte on Calle 8 between Revolucion and Constitucion. Google and make online reservations. Should be pretty full this weekend though. This is the heart of the downtown (Centro) district these days with all kinds of other action available including interesting mexican hipster bars and the giant Las Pulgas dance club which draws literally more than 10,000 local revelers on weekend nights and pounds hard into and past the sunrise. P4 P options also available in this area. 10-15 minute walk to the zona norte or $3-4 taxi ride. Zona chicas love to spend the night in this hotel. Staying in a luxury hotel is a currency substitute. Getting them to leave may be the problem!

Sorry for going on so long off topic but I haven't skimmed the surface. Tijuana curious mongers should check out the specific Tijuana message boards plus the International Sex Guide for giant data bases of information and guides to what can be a very complex maze of opportunities beyond the standard Hong Kong Club hit and run play. In the end, only repeated long term visits over time and acquisition of conversational spanish will open up the full Tijuana experience.

[QUOTE=TheCamel;2101033]
Sorry for going on so long off topic but I haven't skimmed the surface. Tijuana curious mongers should check out the specific Tijuana message boards plus the International Sex Guide for giant data bases of information and guides to what can be a very complex maze of opportunities beyond the standard Hong Kong Club hit and run play. In the end, only repeated long term visits over time and acquisition of conversational spanish will open up the full Tijuana experience.[/QUOTE]I'm amazed just how much Tijuana knowledge you've accrued over the years if all that isn't even skimming the surface.

Thanks for the well thought out / written intro to the wonders to the south.

[QUOTE=TheCamel;2101033]Not this weekend Chris. I'll be going down for a few weekdays around mid-June for a pleasure tour before I have to shut down for an extended medical adventure in early July. I'll drop you a PM of my schedule when I know it. Would be great to hook up down there and I'll be happy to share a billion stories and clue you in on the nuances that open up the next levels of the Tijuana experience.

Its going to be a madhouse this weekend BTW, especially on Saturday. American holidays can be weird on the Sunday night because it isn't a holiday in Mexico and the chicas mostly aren't too cognizant or don't give a shit that the streets and bars will be full of gringos unlike most dead Sunday nights. So Saturday is a madhouse where walking through HK or Adelita near midnight will be like trying to rush a football into the end zone on a 4th and 2 in a championship game. Sunday will be a sausage fest though patience will get you more than you need before the night is over.

So much to say about landing the good economic overnight guests. I'll just give a few clues. First, fagetaboutit with the major gringo bars like Adelita or HK on any weekend night if you want extra special at a bargain rate. No bargains unless the chica is seriously in love with you in which case you'll do better to pay her big money. All the bars charge bar fines for taking a chica on shift away, that is beyond the bar's own associated hotel. The gringo bars will be ridiculous about that on a holiday weekend. Negotiable but your best deal will not be a good one for either the chica or the barfine.

The answer is to go to ANY OTHER BAR. Most gringos who are casual visitors and only do the standard short term with gringo bar girls and SGs do not feel comfortable at the "locals' bars". With a couple of exceptions, there are few Americans around if any. Blaring latin music and dancing. You will get a special hustle from the wait staff who hyperventilate at the sight of a gringo customer thinking their annual income is about to double and their oldest hijo will go to college after all. They can suffocate you if you don't know how to deal and get along without letting them take over your prerogatives.

The good news is all the chicas want you too though you need to avoid the aggressive ones. You can find relatively "normal" mexicanas in these bars. FOBs who will remind you of non-pros in SoCal. You need to work them to gain simpatico and then you are in for an ultimate and economic all night fiesta with a less onerous bar fine. It will take some time to build "confianza" not to mention that the house and the chica want you there to milk your wallet for ficha drinks for a while before she agrees to take off with you. So an investment is usually required up front with a new chica for you but you can draw boundaries and the in-bar ficha time can be a fantastic over the edge party that sets the tone for a fantastic long term hotel marathon. So if you just ask a girl you don't know to go to the hotel, its most likely going to be mechanical wham bam which is fine enough for many, but yo, no. So it should be fairly obvious that the more Spanish you have at your disposal the more fun you're going to have and the pace of simpatico building will be accelerated. Virtually none of the chicas in the smaller locals' bars speak any English. Not a good game for guys who just want to fuck. My game after almost 20 years of carousing Tijuana is that I have no agenda but to have a good time. I want to party in the bars and go with the flow. Almost always turns out to be an excellent story with a good beginning, hot middle and blissful final act.

Some times you want to go with the flow but numbers are easy to get so the best way to go is to be there for at least a couple of nights. The chicas you meet in a bar on night one can visit you at your hotel on day 2 without your having to pay a bar fine. They take the day off to be with you or see you off shift. Not so great to take them after their shift is over from these locals bars since you can expect them to be ready to fall into a drunken coma once they get relaxed with you in bed and maybe the coma comes while your dick is in one of their orifices. I've had 3 chicas pass out with my dick in their mouth. Not really a good thing! Better to meet them when they're sober and have a few drinks together to achieve a most useful level of adjustment.

SGs are another option. Many won't leave their own spot and usual hotel with a stranger for the sake of security, but if you can get silly with them on the street and make them laugh they can thaw out pretty quickly. Some others just won't leave because their Padrote would not be too happy about them leaving the known zone and probably earning less on an overnighter than calming 15 erections for 15 minutes at a time. But if you find a good and willing SG, and there are plenty among the mobs who are out there on weekends, an offer of $100-150 or even less for overnight hours may seem irresistible and actually desirable to relax in a comfortable room for hours at a time with just one erection to administer to. You could even invest in a cheap short term session with the chica which will give her a chance to get comfortable enough with you to take it on the road for something more special. Don't do business with "walkers" who are messed up English speaking drugged out deportees or just on the run. Don't do business with "helpful" intermediaries and guides who speak English. They are also deportees, drug addicts and dealers and the policia will note that you have bad taste in amigos.

Best hotels right in the middle of the zona action are Cascades which is shared by HK and Las Chaveles bar next door, and Hotel Coahuila which is the Adelita Hotel. Both have been remodeled and modernized. Still at least slightly a 3rd world experience but completely comfortable. I have had enough of that chaos after many years and prefer to use a luxury hotel named Hotel Ticuan which is about a half mile from the zona norte on Calle 8 between Revolucion and Constitucion. Google and make online reservations. Should be pretty full this weekend though. This is the heart of the downtown (Centro) district these days with all kinds of other action available including interesting mexican hipster bars and the giant Las Pulgas dance club which draws literally more than 10,000 local revelers on weekend nights and pounds hard into and past the sunrise. P4 P options also available in this area. 10-15 minute walk to the zona norte or $3-4 taxi ride. Zona chicas love to spend the night in this hotel. Staying in a luxury hotel is a currency substitute. Getting them to leave may be the problem!

Sorry for going on so long off topic but I haven't skimmed the surface. Tijuana curious mongers should check out the specific Tijuana message boards plus the International Sex Guide for giant data bases of information and guides to what can be a very complex maze of opportunities beyond the standard Hong Kong Club hit and run play. In the end, only repeated long term visits over time and acquisition of conversational spanish will open up the full Tijuana experience.[/QUOTE]Great info. To add my little bit- if you have a choice, go on a week night. Because of business circumstances I used to go mainly on Tuesday nights. More relaxed, better negotiation prospects and you can get over night rooms at the hotels that serve the major ars. It can be worth getting an overnight room in one of the hotels that serves one of the popular bars (Adelitas / Hong Kong) even if you actually sleep in one of the more upscale places. You get longer sessions, no knocks and if you hit it off with a bar girl you can sometimes get a good deal todos noches in the hotel that serves her bar, with no bar fine.

Does anyone know what is a good site to upload videos? I was going to use youtube but I'd rather not. Videos are of SW's walking around.

[QUOTE=Watnow78;2114703]Does anyone know what is a good site to upload videos? I was going to use youtube but I'd rather not. Videos are of SW's walking around.[/QUOTE]You can use some of the porn tubes out there. Sites like porntube, xtube, youporn.

Did Jenny from Long Beach change her number? Has anyone seen her this past week? ANy info on her?

[QUOTE=NighTowl85;2121493]Did Jenny from Long Beach change her number? Has anyone seen her this past week? ANy info on her?[/QUOTE]I guess she's gone back to a non-pro status.

[QUOTE=NighTowl85;2121493]Did Jenny from Long Beach change her number? Has anyone seen her this past week? ANy info on her?[/QUOTE]I hope she didn't get caught, she had been posting almost daily on CL.

[QUOTE=Area56;2123777]I hope she didn't get caught, she had been posting almost daily on CL.[/QUOTE]Her # is disconnected.

[QUOTE=Wicked1;2126203]Her # is disconnected.[/QUOTE]She flaked on me several weeks back. Me and the Cruiser did two GBs with her before. I picked her up at a hotel in LB.
Chatted for 3 minutes in the car then she said "Let me get my purse" and never came back out. I was really pissed.

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[QUOTE=Wicked1;2126203]Her # is disconnected.[/QUOTE]So is she out?

So I don't know about you guys, but I feel like this game just got more dangerous! They took over and took down myredbook which was great to have reviews right there on the ad! Now I feel like its back to a craps shoot if you want to try someone you haven't seen before!

There is backpages (which has so many fake ads.) what else is everyone trying now?