The Rat Trap

Big f'ing deal, any guy that hasn't sleep with that someone could easily make that mistake.

You see what I did?

[QUOTE=Admin2;2196915][BLUE]Note this is in blue:

Situation; A guy says a chick did a thing. She responds and says she didn't. He responds and says I know you do because you did it with me. She then copies in a PM where he specifically says they didn't do what he's saying they did in the forum.

First Problem; PM's are private and normally can't be posted.

Second Problem; As a rule chicks can't defend on the forum. (But they can on a thread like this)

My issue; It's a pretty big deal what they are talking about and she has proof positive (his own words) that it happened the way she said not what he said. I'm assuming, I would verify by looking in her inbox if she asked me to.

By simple yes let her or no don't let her. Let me know what you guys think about moving the post here with the screen shot of the PM.

Not saying I'm going to do what you guys vote for, but I'd like to get a sense of the room on this issue.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]The truth!

[QUOTE=Admin2;2196915][BLUE]Note this is in blue:

Situation; A guy says a chick did a thing. She responds and says she didn't. He responds and says I know you do because you did it with me. She then copies in a PM where he specifically says they didn't do what he's saying they did in the forum.

First Problem; PM's are private and normally can't be posted.

Second Problem; As a rule chicks can't defend on the forum. (But they can on a thread like this)

My issue; It's a pretty big deal what they are talking about and she has proof positive (his own words) that it happened the way she said not what he said. I'm assuming, I would verify by looking in her inbox if she asked me to.

By simple yes let her or no don't let her. Let me know what you guys think about moving the post here with the screen shot of the PM.

Not saying I'm going to do what you guys vote for, but I'd like to get a sense of the room on this issue.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]No I am not a lawyer but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night. IMHO when you delve into and divulge the contents of PM's, especially to JUST settle a "he said / she said" issue, it opens the door to NSA or Big Brother type of abuse. Its a slippery slope as in "we did it once we can do it again". Would ruin the credibility of this board, A2, and would make guys (certainly ME) hesitant to consider PM's a sanctuary that it currently is. I can see if there was a murder or assault to prove but a "he said / she said"???? Wake up A2, you have a responsibility to keep the sanctity of PRIVATE Messaging. PRIVATE!

[QUOTE=Admin2;2196915][BLUE]Note this is in blue:

Situation; A guy says a chick did a thing. She responds and says she didn't. He responds and says I know you do because you did it with me. She then copies in a PM where he specifically says they didn't do what he's saying they did in the forum.

First Problem; PM's are private and normally can't be posted.

Second Problem; As a rule chicks can't defend on the forum. (But they can on a thread like this)

My issue; It's a pretty big deal what they are talking about and she has proof positive (his own words) that it happened the way she said not what he said. I'm assuming, I would verify by looking in her inbox if she asked me to.

By simple yes let her or no don't let her. Let me know what you guys think about moving the post here with the screen shot of the PM.

Not saying I'm going to do what you guys vote for, but I'd like to get a sense of the room on this issue.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]I do not think you should post it. I believe she should let you read it. Then you give us the answer. You are the admin. Your word should be law.

And you do not want people thinking you are reading their pms.

[QUOTE=LawDog17;2197370]I'm a little late to the party but I am pretty sure we will never weed out the bullshit on here. Guys will always exagerate. My cock is really huge. I agree with whomever said, if it is a health or safety issue then yes go ahead. Not a fan of the principal of airing PM's as there is an expectation of privacy. What if the message on the PM was a lie just to try to diffuse the issue? What is the context of one PM, do we need to see others? How far does it go? Where does it end? Honor and reputation are earned on this board and in life by our actions, our words and our deeds. One says he did x and the other says no you didn't. Does it matter beyond the actual immediate nature of the context of the message? Does it transcend their conversation and effect the rest of the group? Just because I said I put two fingers in a girls butt when I actually put one, technically makes me a liar but in reality no one really cares. It harms no one, it lessens none of my already sketchy credibility. But if I say I raw dogged analed someone and they say I didn't, then I am liar and potentially super unsafe which may impact the target of my lie. Itt may hurt her business or make others stay away. Do we (as a board, a community, a village), owe it to ourselves, each other, to find out the truth and proclaim who is being honest. I think we do, if it is that kind of serious. If it just involves a finger in the butt then we shouldn't give another minute of thought. -- Dog.[/QUOTE]Best answer! My cock is huge BTW.

I feel so strongly about keeping Private Messaging PRIVATE that I offer my retirement from this USAG web site if private messages are made public. Life will go on and I will find my mongering elsewhere. Maybe I will revive the Big Doggie Web site as a viable competitor of USAG as I was the VS of that site but skinner and better looking, certainly younger.

Here is where it is catch 22. The accused can lie in public and possibly hurt the business of the provider, who this is their livelihood, feed themselves, put a roof over a family, themselves thru school, or whatever, but privately speak the truth?? Come on now.

I am not taking sides but in all fairness I think that if it violates safety or health issues that it should be outed. The person who decided to fess up privately has no balls so why not? Oh they can blast in public but not fess up in public. Thats bullshit. If the person hadn't lied to begin with none of this would be in question.

Shit everyone was on nedley's back about picture accuracy. Until he didn't exactly word something right about pics his intel and info were of great value to the board, often one to TOFTT, and give solid feedback. This is bigger than that. This compromising safety and reputation. And you can spew oh providers they shouldn't fet respect they sell their body, but if there wasn't demand it wouldn't be happening. I pride myself on mutual respect and discretion. Something I see a few not doing and its sad.

Personally I think the accused should just fess up, save face, and it be over with. Everyone makes mistakes and no one is perfect.

Stay safe everyone.

Xoxo.

Paige.

We all know a lot of bullshit passes through these pages and we each have to finally make our decisions based on our interpretations of what we read. If A2 gets in the business of attempting to correct misinformation he is going to be one very busy dude. I like him just the way he is. And I like pm's to be private.

Have to agree with Ancient one on his post. When you start posting private messeges alot of hobbyists will have their shit in the wind. Why even have pms if everybody is going to read them. You might have a mass exodus from this site. I totally agree with AO. Who really cares if ever so often you have a he said, she said type of argumen. Please A2 do not do it. Be safe.

[QUOTE=MoreMike147;2197427]you do not want people thinking you are reading their pms.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AncientOne;2197411]Wake up A2, you have a responsibility to keep the sanctity of PRIVATE Messaging. PRIVATE![/QUOTE][BLUE]Of course we have ACCESS to PM's, they are sitting on our server. As a matter of principle we rarely ever look at them and only under very specific circumstances. We are a bunch of libertarians and one apathetic down here. (I'm the Apathetic, it's a new political party I'm starting) Hell we even developed a tool to scan PM's for particular phrases so that everything else would be ignored, which is hard for a person to do. (the name of a competing web site that likes to use our PM system for membership drives and phrases like "Kill you" or "I'm gonna fucking kill you" or "You're a dead motherfucker" shit like that.) In the case of the new web site that lots of you guys have gotten PM's from saying I'm a big meanie and you can go there, what I'm looking for is the nexus, the guy who has their name in several hundred PM's not the guys with one. They are answering his PM. For the guy with the hundreds I just ban the user name. The server does the "reading" not us. In the "I'm gonna fucking kill you" kind I do look at them, I don't really read them, I don't look at them for content I generally look at them to confirm what somebody has already told me. "This douchebag is sending me PM's saying he's going to kill me."

There are rules in the forum, you guys accept those rules when you join, one of them is to not threaten people. Just because the threat is in a PM, doesn't mean it's not on the forum. If something like that was happening and I didn't do what I could (ban the user) and something actually happened, I would find it difficult to sleep at night.[/BLUE]

[QUOTE=AncientOne;2197331]A2 must also agree with my assessment since he gave Jag his very own thread.[/QUOTE][BLUE]All I really want to say to that is you have been misinformed.

A2[/BLUE]

[QUOTE=VerySlowly;2195125]This slapping and defending of medley is all bullshit!

If a girl puts up a pic of Jenny McCarthy and she's really Tia Leone when I get there and her in-call is safe, clean and free of distraction's, and she provides an amazing session, who shiv's a git.

If the pics are reasonably close and the above happens, why all the pissing and moaning? Yes, I hear all the perfectionist tapes running in some of your heads, He should have told us this or should have said that, but bottom line is rarely do we catch a movie star, it happens, but rarely and personally I'm happy with a TV star.

If a guy has a habit of over promoting or bullshitting about escort girls and or massage girls that he has never seen, ahem, that is a different situation and A2 knows how to address that perfectly well and has done that recently.

I don't know nor have I Pm'd NedleyMandingo but we have mutual friends and I have seen some of his UTR's before they became public and have never been disappointed or lied to about his finds. Some guys have the ability to ferret out the truffles and others only have the ability to buy and eat them and the world needs them both to make the market work.

Many on here have complained about completely false or old pics on or ghetto locations with pimps or the-Boys hanging about the area here, or "dead fish" or cash +dash and that's a good thing if it saves you a bad experience. We need this information. Some guys NEVER bring forth a new girl others always are looking. We need everybody except the trolls on here, NMD is not a troll.

I don't think any of that is the case here. Apparently the pics were close and the dish was delicious even if Mario Battali wasn't in the kitchen.

G'day Blokes.

VS.[/QUOTE]OK VS you say its ok to post B&S pics as long as they are close or the session was good, who gives a shit? And you are happy with a TV star?

OK lets use your analogy. So lets say a provider posts fake pics and / or a monger vouches for her pics as very accurate or accurate.

So you go and see the provider and its not the girl in the pics but she looks like Leonards girlfriend Penny on the Big Bang Theory, pretty hot girl, so in your world its all good since you are happy with a good looking TV star. So the B&S is OK.

OK, same scenario, you arrive at her place and are met by a girl that looks like Sheldons girlfriend Amy, from the Big Bang Theory. Not the hottie you expected but a TV star, so is that B&S ok? Based on your statements, you should be fine with it. Not even close to the hot girl in the B&S pics, but based on your statement it should be acceptable. I highly doubt you would be fine with it, and if you say you would, you would be lying.

OK, same scenario, you arrive at her place and are met by a girl that looks like Howards girlfriend Bernadette, from the same show. Not the girl in the B&S pics but a TV star, so is this acceptable to you? I doubt it. She is not as hot as the girl in the fake pics, not as hot as Penny but better looking then AMY. So based on your excuse for using fake pics or a monger vouching for fake pics all 3 scenarios I laid out should be acceptable to you. Screw the fact the pics are fake, 1 girls hot, ones pretty hot and one not so much.

So tell me, where do you draw the line at using fake B&S pics? Would Penny be ok as the real girl you meet? Amy acceptable? How about Bernadette?

When you try and justify someone using fake B&S pics by saying who cares as long as she's hot and that you would be happy with a TV star, I just laid out 3 scenarios for you, that based on what you have said, each one should be acceptable with you and the use of fake B&S pics to lure you to see these 3 different girls in your world is perfectly fine.

Thats an impossible line to justify Fake pics and vouching for someone who is using fake pics is just wrong. Trying to rationalize it by saying well she was close enough to the B&S pics is a straw argument as everyone's CLOSE ENOUGH is different.

As for me I was spending $30 to $50 a month in gas money alone for a while, seeing girls posting hot pics, or meeting a girl based on a mongers claim that the girl is real, only to meet them in person and find out the pics are B&S and the monger was full of it. Then once your there the usual BS starts. The girl swears the pics in the ad are really her, and the excuses begin: Yeah I just cut and dyed my hair yesterday, Oh the tats I have in the ad?, Oh I had them medically removed last week, Oh my eye colors different? I was wearing colored contacts in the pics. Then when you try and leave theres always that 50/50 chance she is going to demand her donation anyway and tell you how her boys are going to jack you up if you try and leave without giving her money, even though you tried to leave within 2 minutes of getting there and you realizing her pics are fake.

I am too tired of the bullshit. If a provider posts fake pics and I go see her, once I walk in and realize her pics are fake, I leave, no matter what the little head is saying. If you can't see why some mongers don't like the idea of a provider using fake pics and a monger vouching for them, then that's your deal. As for me it pisses me off, as its a waste of my time and money.

Lastly, did I see you posting in the rat trap that someone is an ex cop? Isn't that the 4th or fifth time over the last several years that you have accused a monger of either being a cop, an ex cop, LEO or something to that effect?

If BOTH of them agree to it, then I wouldn't have a problem with A2 inspecting the message and making a determination. Under no circumstances should the message be posted for all to see.

We already had a precedent (maybe a bad one) where a pissed off provider (rightly or wrongly) posted a member's PM publicly on BP. So it's not like it's impossible to put the information out there. I think it would be naive for anyone to expect complete secrecy in this day and age in any electronic medium. That being the case, if A2 felt the issue was worth settling by letting it go public, I personally would have no problem with it. This would be keeping the matter in-house where it belongs. My 2 cents.

I think if the conversation involves peoples safety then we owe it to each other to find the correct answer. Publishing PM's? Ancient makes an excellent point. This is 2014, A2 is a smart guy. There has to be a way to get to the bottom of something without publishing PM's.

[QUOTE=AncientOne;2197411]No I am not a lawyer but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night. IMHO when you delve into and divulge the contents of PM's, especially to JUST settle a "he said / she said" issue, it opens the door to NSA or Big Brother type of abuse. Its a slippery slope as in "we did it once we can do it again". Would ruin the credibility of this board, A2, and would make guys (certainly ME) hesitant to consider PM's a sanctuary that it currently is. I can see if there was a murder or assault to prove but a "he said / she said"???? Wake up A2, you have a responsibility to keep the sanctity of PRIVATE Messaging. PRIVATE![/QUOTE]You attack me in the past and it turns out your the mental midget my friend. If you think PM's are private your an idiot. Nothing that's put online is private. Assume all your PM's are getting read, your email has been hacked and your internet history is showing up on homeland security or Vices radar because it is.

So A2 . Post the PM or post that you read it and the contents and be done with it.

KC.