NoVA SugarBabies

[QUOTE=MadeYoulLook29;5075828]Well that goes back to what I was saying though. Being a SD is a different game than being a John. The SB comes into the arrangement expecting to be spoiled and pampered and in return they return the favor. Seems some folks just want a escort. Which is fine and good but why complain about expensive SBs. You should go into the arrangement with the expectation of the higher rate. A true SD sees what he wants and so long as she's the real deal. He's going to seal the deal.[/QUOTE]Why should we anticipate / expect a higher rate? Your logic doesn't make any sense. We are the ones that dictate the market / rates, not the SB's so you "expecting a higher rate" is your own fault.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;5075932]Why should we anticipate / expect a higher rate? Your logic doesn't make any sense. We are the ones that dictate the market / rates, not the SB's so you "expecting a higher rate" is your own fault.[/QUOTE]I'm operating under what a SD actually is (or suppose to be). A older wealthy male seeking out younger women in financial need. It seems most of you want escorts. A SB has the financial need and the SD being the big baller that he is is suppose to be able to meet that need.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;5075617]Anyone have any experience with her? We've got something tentatively set up for tomorrow, just curious if there's any details anyone can share before I take the plunge. Thanks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8e42ca50-c59f-405f-ad74-8a6ef012b4e5[/URL][/QUOTE]She is the real deal. Semi pro, but with a great body and a good attitude. I had a great time with her.

That maybe the reason gents are being ghosted by SB's is because you're being cheapskates LOL. The SD is (suppose to be) a rich person looking to spoil the SB. Not simply a guy looking to basically bust a nut with a hot chick. The experience is suppose to go deeper than that. The SD is suppose to get off on exposing the SB to the finer things in life and caring for the SB. Its no wonder when the SB sees guys trying to essentially set up a escort type exchange they stop responding. They arent escorts.

[QUOTE=MadeYoulLook29;5076520]That maybe the reason gents are being ghosted by SB's is because you're being cheapskates LOL. The SD is (suppose to be) a rich person looking to spoil the SB. Not simply a guy looking to basically bust a nut with a hot chick. The experience is suppose to go deeper than that. The SD is suppose to get off on exposing the SB to the finer things in life and caring for the SB. Its no wonder when the SB sees guys trying to essentially set up a escort type exchange they stop responding. They arent escorts.[/QUOTE]SD's should be getting off on being exposed to finer things and taking care of the sDs needs, not looking to mechanically fuck her way through the crowd seeking a bigger pay off over time. They arent' supposed to act like escorts.

But basically what we have is a bunch of cheap ***** mongers fucking a bunch of ****** in a bidding war

Those who dont approach it that way MIGHT be lucky enough to find their corollary, but odds are against it with so many Pros ruiing it on one end and so many mongers tainting it on the other...

The sexual equivalent of the Tragedy of the Commons

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5076585]SD's should be getting off on being exposed to finer things and taking care of the sDs needs, not looking to mechanically fuck her way through the crowd seeking a bigger pay off over time. They arent' supposed to act like escorts.

But basically what we have is a bunch of cheap ***** mongers fucking a bunch of ****** in a bidding war

Those who dont approach it that way MIGHT be lucky enough to find their corollary, but odds are against it with so many Pros ruiing it on one end and so many mongers tainting it on the other...

The sexual equivalent of the Tragedy of the Commons[/QUOTE]Yes this is the problem. Escorts / pros posing as SB's and John's posing as SD's. The good thing is these pretenders often give themselves away when they start discussing hourly rates...

[QUOTE=MadeYoulLook29;5076520]That maybe the reason gents are being ghosted by SB's is because you're being cheapskates LOL. The SD is (suppose to be) a rich person looking to spoil the SB. Not simply a guy looking to basically bust a nut with a hot chick. The experience is suppose to go deeper than that. The SD is suppose to get off on exposing the SB to the finer things in life and caring for the SB. Its no wonder when the SB sees guys trying to essentially set up a escort type exchange they stop responding. They arent escorts.[/QUOTE]With respect, you couldn't be more mistaken. It's true most SBs often do not think of themselves as hookers for a myriad of reasons. Some think that a SD taking them out on dates, meals, shopping trips, etc makes the relationship somehow different than that of a professional escort. Some think that by having other employment outside the sugaring scene makes them unique compared to an escort. But here's the cold-hard truth: whether you sell your body full-time (escort), or part-time (SB), [U]both still fall under the moniker of "hooker" whether they admit it or not[/U]. Period. There's no getting around, nor debating this. If you look up the definition of a hooker, it simply says prostitute. And the definition of a prostitute is "a person, in particular a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment. " Sound familiar?

Now before you counter with the argument that there's women on Seeking who want only platonic arrangements, I'll wager my annual paycheck that they're not finding anywhere near as much success as the ones who aren't looking for platonic. Seriously, what SD / john (also interchangeable in my book) in their right mind would spend hundreds--if not thousands--on a platonic relationship when they could have a sexual one? I mean, why else would you sign up for that site AND be looking for intel on these forums? It makes no sense whatsoever. All that being said, I'm not an idiot: if a SB wants to avoid that label, I'm perfectly fine with humoring a her fantasy so long as she fulfills mine. Win-win.

I believe the majority of us can agree that most real SBs (not counting bots of course) are either semi-pro or amateurs, yes? It is precisely the market to whom Seeking caters. So [U]explain to me how an amateur ought to charge more for their services than a professional[/U]? I've used this example a couple times in the past and I'll repeat it again: you would NOT pay the same amount--or more--for a rinkside ticket to watch [B]minor league[/B] ice hockey as you would for that same type of ticket to watch a [B]professional / NHL[/B] team play, would you? And before you say it's not the same thing, yes, yes it is! Personally, I'm not paying some random SB (amateur) who's only selling her body part-time anywhere near the same amount that I'd pay for CJ Miles or Vina Sky (professional porn stars). The former has little to no experience, and the latter clearly does this for a living! So that's not being a cheapskate. That's common-fucking-sense and not being wasteful with your hard-earned money.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be too harsh on you. It just drives me nuts observing the staggering number of folks who's outlook mirrors yours, all while simultaneously propping these women on some higher pedestal. You really shouldn't! The point of this forum is to spread awareness and have a great time with a woman while avoiding unnecessarily exorbitant rates. In any case, I sincerely wish everyone the best in their search for a good time while not breaking the piggy bank (or savings) too often. Cheers.

I'm not a cheapskate I normally agree to the girls offer, and I'm good about telling that I do give gifts. If she a keeper I do follow through. Most of the girls who ghost just chicken out, or they are trying to scam me.

[QUOTE=MadeYoulLook29;5076520]That maybe the reason gents are being ghosted by SB's is because you're being cheapskates LOL. The SD is (suppose to be) a rich person looking to spoil the SB. Not simply a guy looking to basically bust a nut with a hot chick. The experience is suppose to go deeper than that. The SD is suppose to get off on exposing the SB to the finer things in life and caring for the SB. Its no wonder when the SB sees guys trying to essentially set up a escort type exchange they stop responding. They arent escorts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dimples572;5075617]Anyone have any experience with her? We've got something tentatively set up for tomorrow, just curious if there's any details anyone can share before I take the plunge. Thanks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8e42ca50-c59f-405f-ad74-8a6ef012b4e5[/URL][/QUOTE]Dimples,

Your inbox is full.

Skins.

[QUOTE=Skins755;5076692]Dimples,

Your inbox is full.

Skins.[/QUOTE]My bad, its cleared out now.

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5076682]I'm not a cheapskate I normally agree to the girls offer, and I'm good about telling that I do give gifts. If she a keeper I do follow through. Most of the girls who ghost just chicken out, or they are trying to scam me.[/QUOTE]Well then I'm not wrong necessarily. It's just what I said doesn't apply to you. I'm speaking on "SD's" that try to set up hourly rates with "SB's" and claim the rates are too high. If your trying to set up say 500 for BBFS and your arrangement is based on a hourly rate of some sort. That's basically an escort transaction for time and service. And if your going down that rabbit hole with that escort that's posing as a SB then that's your own fault.

[QUOTE=Skins755;5076692]Dimples,

Your inbox is full.

Skins.[/QUOTE]Talked to her and she wanted $700 PPM and wanted me to send her pictures. I declined both. Interested in what she requested from you and from those who've previously seen her. Her body does look nice, but can get the same at lower price point.

Quick on her part to move off Seeking and on to text. She sent sexy pictures, $400 PPM and offered to host. I accepted the PPM, but declined visiting her place and countered with an 4-5 star hotel of her choosing. She then requested 25% deposit because she's been "scammed and flaked". Also claims to be COVID phobic and therefore doesn't like to leave the house. Of course I declined. Numerous red flags.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c10e45b2-df05-4279-9290-0c47403f5c5b[/URL]

I met this one a couple of times two years ago. Cute chick, very nice figure and a lot of fun. But after our second meet, she decided to try and extort me. I fucked up by letting my guard down. Had I protected myself, I would have continued to see her, at least until her true colors manifested itself in other ways. So, proceed with caution fellow mongers.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/48fdcf76-93f1-4b11-b55b-4da0a018e5d2[/URL]

How does she try to blackmail?

[QUOTE=CoolPix;5076938]I met this one a couple of times two years ago. Cute chick, very nice figure and a lot of fun. But after our second meet, she decided to try and extort me. I fucked up by letting my guard down. Had I protected myself, I would have continued to see her, at least until her true colors manifested itself in other ways. So, proceed with caution fellow mongers.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/48fdcf76-93f1-4b11-b55b-4da0a018e5d2[/URL][/QUOTE]