The Rat Trap

To PG, C3, and Chris5 it's called capitalism. You are worth what you can get on a regular basis, not the other way around. Just like the NFL and no different. You are worth what they will pay you. And if you ask too much, you won't get it on a regular basis. I was bashed on here for saying that for 300 bananas there are a lot of great choices and better than a 38 year old mother MILF. You got to be kidding me. If it is 300 bananas, she better be under 30, no babies and low volume, and intimidatingly beautiful. If you are only making 30 bananas, sorry, that's what you are worth. And this is just my personal opinion. For me, 5-30 banana SW's are never ever as good as one top notch pro with a good incall for one full hour. I choose a quality incall with a quality pro anyday and anyway over 4 or 5 car dates. I did the SW for a while, and too many surprises. And the ones everyone was thrilled over were just ok to me. It is like going to 5 little league football games, VS going to an a good NFL game. Just my opinion and my taste. The street can be downright nasty and I don't care if you think you know what you are doing or not, it is dangerous in much more ways than you are thinking of. On the bunny trail, I was confronted with H and crack dealers, LEO, cameras, boyfriends, pimps, pissed off mongers, and actually was in a fight in front of Sonny's (yes that was me). But the worst thing is a SW's who just dijested three hot dogs and then I was next. She was not carrying a tooth brush or mouth wash. No thanks. Have not been there for a while. To think I have to drive up and down the bunny trail looking for the 30 banana class is no longwer appealing to me. I may be wrong, but for me it is as truthful as I can be, and only my opinion.

[QUOTE=Swaganna;2582789]Why don't you post a full front body pic then? Hell I did 3 and one again your information you kind to sprea false. Only 2 pics on my ad are from a year agi, ALL others are this year and 3 of them within a couple months. And all your videos it shows the same tub of lard so please which is it? Let's see a full frontal pic.

Swags.[/QUOTE]Apparently you can't read, or refuse to accept facts. I have never. Not once lied about who I am. The photos on my ad are real and recent, as recent reviews have stated. When was the last time you got a LEGIT review? My last review said it was an "EXPLOSIVE" time. I don't owe you shit, and I certainly don't have anything to hide. You're the one making a fool out of yourself here. Truth be told hags, I'm fat because I'm not addicted to hardcore narcotics, unlike yourself. My addictions are good food and good sex. From the number of chins in your mugshot, you should be advertising as a BBW as well. Infact, I used to advertise with pics from those same shoots when they were recent photos. The photo attached, that has been on my ad's recently, was taken June 1st. Now, some of us have better things to do. It's a shame you live such a miserable life, and are so concerned with what everyone else is doing instead of doing you and taking care of all the issues you have. I guess it's easier to look at the faults of others and not your own, especially when you're such a fucked up individual.

[QUOTE=Jonah1;2582790]To PG, C3, and Chris5 it's called capitalism. You are worth what you can get on a regular basis, not the other way around. Just like the NFL and no different. You are worth what they will pay you. And if you ask too much, you won't get it on a regular basis. I was bashed on here for saying that for 300 bananas there are a lot of great choices and better than a 38 year old mother MILF. You got to be kidding me. If it is 300 bananas, she better be under 30, no babies and low volume, and intimidatingly beautiful. If you are only making 30 bananas, sorry, that's what you are worth. And this is just my personal opinion. For me, 5-30 banana SW's are never ever as good as one top notch pro with a good incall for one full hour. I choose a quality incall with a quality pro anyday and anyway over 4 or 5 car dates. I did the SW for a while, and too many surprises. And the ones everyone was thrilled over were just ok to me. It is like going to 5 little league football games, VS going to an a good NFL game. Just my opinion and my taste. The street can be downright nasty and I don't care if you think you know what you are doing or not, it is dangerous in much more ways than you are thinking of. On the bunny trail, I was confronted with H and crack dealers, LEO, cameras, boyfriends, pimps, pissed off mongers, and actually was in a fight in front of Sonny's (yes that was me). But the worst thing is a SW's who just dijested three hot dogs and then I was next. She was not carrying a tooth brush or mouth wash. No thanks. Have not been there for a while. To think I have to drive up and down the bunny trail looking for the 30 banana class is no longwer appealing to me. I may be wrong, but for me it is as truthful as I can be, and only my opinion.[/QUOTE]Please allow me to welcome you back to the Trap. I really enjoyed reading your post. You have your views and opinions and I have mine. Now I strongly disagree with most of your post but I'm sure you already know that. The 300 coin an hour girl will NEVER be for me. No fucking way! I can easily get 15 trail girls for that amount and they will not only look pretty dam good, most will all do the same thing sexually as your nice little ONE 300 girl. So 15 girls or 1 girl? I think I'll take the 15 girl's! LOL! Now you may enjoy one girl in a nice clean in call with a nice complimentary glass of champagne and strawberries upon your arrival and there's nothing wrong with that Jonah. However that 300 plus tip coin you are spending is something I would maybe consider spending for an entire weekend. From Friday to Sunday. For one hour? No fucking way. I respect your view but I disagree with your view. Yes you are correct in saying the trail is no joke and can be dangerous. OBT is not for everyone. I love the trail and East 50 and the trail in the 561 and OT in the MIA and Nebraska ave in Tampa. It's the thrill that does it for me. We all monger differently. My issue here in Orlando is the stupid mongers overpaying for pussy.

Chris5.

[QUOTE=VerySlowly;2582710]Do we even get into a debate with someone who dines at Mcdonalds, stays (doesn't live now) but stays in Pine Hills. Obviously doesn't have a real legal job. Minimal education. The closest he's gotten to fine dining is parking cars for a valet service. Thinks all sex is the same and price is the only thing that counts, which indicates that he's never had a long intimate, wet, teasing session with a sensual woman.

He has 'Monkey sex" where you grab the female and hold her down, stick it in come in 10 seconds and be on your way looking for a cheap meal or a free banana to eat.

Arguing with a cretin who can't even control his part of the dialogue enough that he feels the need to call other adults ignorant meaningless names based only on his weak-minded beliefs.

He obviously hasn't been in the game long because he if he were he would know QV is a recent phenomenon, hours were the norm, half hours came in during the height of the recession when people were watching their money, QV's started when the SW's invaded the internet and the pimps started posting their stable, even the QV's cost more money than the street, so the SW's and pimps are fine with that pricing and when the phone dies they hit the stroll again.

This guy has maybe a year on the board and over 900 posts but mosts are "Popcorn posts" starts with a kernel and pops into a fluffy piece of hot air, saying little or nothing. Real all the "nice one bro, I'll have to see her posts" etc. ,etc. ,etc. He also glorifies the posts of an average SP and posts sickening goo about her and yet she posts half hr. $120, Hr. $200 and obviously he paid it but everyone else who does it is stupid. Make up your mind little boy, which is it?

VS.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately for you this will be my last response to your dumb ass. You know what I have learned here in Orlando this past year? Most dudes are douche bags. Most have zero clue how to monger. Most are old like yourself. This is a new age old man and that shit you're talking is boring to me. Glad you notice my post count! You like that don't you? Don't hate you ugly * Certain members on this board I will always engage and debate with, Camera3 is at the top of that short list. But YOU? No fucking way! You're a nobody to me. So preach all you want preacher. I ain't changing shit! You don't like my posts? Don't read them. Put me on ignore. Problem solved.

Chris5.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2582383]Batman comics would not be very interesting without the Joker, now, would they. Guess which one you are?

As a matter of fact, I have shown up without money on a number of occasions. I can do that. A jackass like you never could; which if you were paying close attention, was my whole point. Women in the business do invite me to lunch, dinner and drinks. You, they take your money and try to get you out the door as soon as possible.

Treat a women like a hoe and she will behave like a hoe.

Often people are so desperate for what they want that they don't see the way to get it is just by being respectful, thoughtful and nice. Go to a strip club and smile and look the girl in her eyes while she is dancing. At the end of the night she is not going to remember and go home with the guy who gave her the most money but with the guy who thought she was more than T & A.

I have been preaching this sermon for a long time. Some guys get it, but most don't. In one country where I live there are brothels. At the end of the night, rather than travel two hours on a couple buses, the girls often will go home with a customer. From years of experience, I can tell you that she is going to be sleeping next to and having awesome sex with the guy who made her feel comfortable. The socially inept will be shaking his head, bemoaning his place in life and going home alone.

Chris5, jerks like you make me look good. Thanks for that.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately for you as well this will be my last post to you. You are such a nice sweet guy, so kind and generous. The women love you so much they invite you over for dinner and drinks. Mr strawberries and whip cream and champagne guy! You're another boring member. Get back to your batman comic's old man!

Chris5.

Well, ET and VS, it seems Chris5 isn't going to communicate with you anymore, aren't you 2 the lucky ones.

[QUOTE=Chris5;2582873]Please allow me to welcome you back to the Trap. I really enjoyed reading your post. You have your views and opinions and I have mine. Now I strongly disagree with most of your post but I'm sure you already know that. The 300 coin an hour girl will NEVER be for me. No fucking way! I can easily get 15 trail girls for that amount and they will not only look pretty dam good, most will all do the same thing sexually as your nice little ONE 300 girl. So 15 girls or 1 girl? I think I'll take the 15 girl's! LOL! Now you may enjoy one girl in a nice clean in call with a nice complimentary glass of champagne and strawberries upon your arrival and there's nothing wrong with that Jonah. However that 300 plus tip coin you are spending is something I would maybe consider spending for an entire weekend. From Friday to Sunday. For one hour? No fucking way. I respect your view but I disagree with your view. Yes you are correct in saying the trail is no joke and can be dangerous. OBT is not for everyone. I love the trail and East 50 and the trail in the 561 and OT in the MIA and Nebraska ave in Tampa. It's the thrill that does it for me. We all monger differently. My issue here in Orlando is the stupid mongers overpaying for pussy.

Chris5.[/QUOTE]I get what you are saying. I rarely do much more than a Ben and a half. Just saying for 3 she better be the best. Not some really nice 38 yr old that has had babies. That is a little too much for me. Your beef and mine are similar. It is with stupid mongers that coach these girls into asking for more. How stupid is that? I do know of one believe it or not that contacted me and told me to pay his "friend" 250+50 tip. I said no thanks. I'll handle that part. Then I was told:"No you can't meet her without my approval and giving me your toy phone digits". Are you crazy? I can name pro's on here that told me that guy's tell them all the time"you don't charge enough. If you feel that way, Mr rocket scientist, just tip her and shut up. She will appreciate that and may be move you ahead of those who do not tip, like me.

[QUOTE=NoAlibis;2583359]Well, ET and VS, it seems Chris5 isn't going to communicate with you anymore, aren't you 2 the lucky ones.[/QUOTE]I spent the best part of 6 months slamming Chris5 (a / k / a Sissy Chrissy) for his ignorance, arrogance, cheapness and twisted logic and opinions. I even made it to the TOP of his hate list, above C3! Now you 2 have superseded me in getting to him and having him cry "Uncle". You both must have hit a nerve that I never did. You both have posted VERY eloquent responses to his be. S. And I commend you 2 for that! Play Safe.

[QUOTE=Jonah1;2583362]I rarely do much more than a Ben and a half. Just saying for 3 she better be the best. [/QUOTE]I agree. $. 5 for an hour seems to be a going rate for Orlando. $. 8 if there is a reason. I always felt that Jodie and Nikki up north were the ones that all ladies had to follow and I see they recently change their donation structure. Sure enough, others have followed. Now, that said, on the road, especially on the West Coast, $$ is pretty normal for the same service. It is what the market will bear. Here, stellar GFE can be had for $. 2 or so. So, anywhere from $. 2 to $$ is quite a range. I would be interested in other guy's thoughts on this.

[QUOTE=Jonah1;2583362]Your beef and mine are similar. It is with stupid mongers that coach these girls into asking for more. How stupid is that? [/QUOTE]Definitely on my list of stupid stuff. I figure a guy that says that to a girl is just trying to be a big shot. In reality, he is artificially giving the lady a false sense of her own worth. Don't fuck with the law of supply and demand. Look at Congress. They keep trying and it hasn't worked, yet. Look at Dodd Frank as the prime example. Or the whole student loan debacle.

[QUOTE=Jonah1;2583362]I do know of one believe it or not that contacted me and told me to pay his "friend" 250+50 tip. I said no thanks. I'll handle that part. Then I was told:"No you can't meet her without my approval and giving me your toy phone digits". [/QUOTE]Obviously, no friend of any of us. We have to wonder what he is getting out of it? Now, don't get me wrong, the "market" will dictate value, but we do get to choose to donate or not. I am always amazed by the contrast of the ladies that have had fixed donations forever versus those whose donation rises and falls, depending on their own financial needs. There will always be someone that will do it cheaper. So, service quality matters, too.

Just some random thoughts.

C3.

Does the average monger expect an adjusted, and discounted rate from an SP, after multiple dates?, and do most of the fine ladies in Orlando do that?

[QUOTE=Camera3;2583532]I agree. $. 5 for an hour seems to be a going rate for Orlando. $. 8 if there is a reason. I always felt that Jodie and Nikki up north were the ones that all ladies had to follow and I see they recently change their donation structure. Sure enough, others have followed. Now, that said, on the road, especially on the West Coast, $$ is pretty normal for the same service. It is what the market will bear. Here, stellar GFE can be had for $. 2 or so. So, anywhere from $. 2 to $$ is quite a range. I would be interested in other guy's thoughts on this.

Definitely on my list of stupid stuff. I figure a guy that says that to a girl is just trying to be a big shot. In reality, he is artificially giving the lady a false sense of her own worth. Don't fuck with the law of supply and demand. Look at Congress. They keep trying and it hasn't worked, yet. Look at Dodd Frank as the prime example. Or the whole student loan debacle.

Obviously, no friend of any of us. We have to wonder what he is getting out of it? Now, don't get me wrong, the "market" will dictate value, but we do get to choose to donate or not. I am always amazed by the contrast of the ladies that have had fixed donations forever versus those whose donation rises and falls, depending on their own financial needs. There will always be someone that will do it cheaper. So, service quality matters, too.

Just some random thoughts.

C3.[/QUOTE]I think it tops out at $160, really, $200 is quite a stretch. That's the kind of money doctors and Lawyers charge, they have a degree for what they do.
But than again, who pays the sticker price on a car?

[QUOTE=Camera3;2583532]I agree. $. 5 for an hour seems to be a going rate for Orlando. $. 8 if there is a reason. I always felt that Jodie and Nikki up north were the ones that all ladies had to follow and I see they recently change their donation structure. Sure enough, others have followed. Now, that said, on the road, especially on the West Coast, $$ is pretty normal for the same service. It is what the market will bear. Here, stellar GFE can be had for $. 2 or so. So, anywhere from $. 2 to $$ is quite a range. I would be interested in other guy's thoughts on this.

Definitely on my list of stupid stuff. I figure a guy that says that to a girl is just trying to be a big shot. In reality, he is artificially giving the lady a false sense of her own worth. Don't fuck with the law of supply and demand. Look at Congress. They keep trying and it hasn't worked, yet. Look at Dodd Frank as the prime example. Or the whole student loan debacle.

Obviously, no friend of any of us. We have to wonder what he is getting out of it? Now, don't get me wrong, the "market" will dictate value, but we do get to choose to donate or not. I am always amazed by the contrast of the ladies that have had fixed donations forever versus those whose donation rises and falls, depending on their own financial needs. There will always be someone that will do it cheaper. So, service quality matters, too.

Just some random thoughts.

C3.[/QUOTE]Agree totally. The guy I was talking about was on this forum. I said the same thing: What was he getting out of it? He has a string of guy's falling for it. Look around for what is out there for $$$ and you don't have to go thru a guy on here and give him your digits, and know he is outside watching you when you meet her. Pretty creepy if you ask me. Way too much involvement for me. I laughed and said I'll pass. He actually got mad at me LOL. Oh well too bad, get real mad! 38 year old Mommy No way.

I am not here to beat a girl up on her worth, but I do have a budget that I work with. I was recently in Las Vegas and contacted a SP based on her ad. She directed me to her web site. I noticed her suggested donation was over my budget, wrote her back and respectfully declined to see her, indicating why. She then asked what my budget was? I replied that I did not want to insult her but because she asked, and then I quoted my budget. She wrote back and indicated that if I could be flexible on the time of day that she would offer me a special for my budget. I have to say, our date was off the charts memorable. If that is typical for a SP in her price range then I should get a second job! We agreed I would not post the donation amount in my review. I respected that. But I did write a review and, from what other members of the Las Vegas Chapter of our literary club have indicated, that carries some clout. In short, she gained business. So, lots of people happy. Again, I did not beat her up on price, something that ya goota figure can't be good for performance, she asked, I responded, she agreed, we had fun, her business grew.

I do stick to my budget. If a lady posts a suggested donation over my budget, I do not call her. Period. If she doesn't post the amount but announces her donation, and it is over my budget, I respectfully thank her and indicate that fact. Frankly, many are pissed and argue with me that they are worth what they ask. I usually just say, "I am sure you are. It is still over my budget. I do wish you well. ".

Then I go to the next person on my list. These days, that list is pretty long. This is a great time to be in this hobby.

So, here is my question for the ladies. If a gentleman like me would want to date you but knows you are over his budget how should he respond? Just don't do anything, maybe beat off wishing we were together? Call you and make an offer? What?

C3.

[QUOTE=NoAlibis;2583544]I think it tops out at $160, really, $200 is quite a stretch. That's the kind of money doctors and Lawyers charge, they have a degree for what they do.
But than again, who pays the sticker price on a car?[/QUOTE]