Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=Lenny6746;4976122]Oh so you worked in a place where you learned the TRICKS of the trade. Imagine that!! Just look at you now! Wow what a make over. Have you ever tried to help these girls? Feed them clothe them get them into rehab? I have. I'm not talking about money amounts I'm talking about helping girls that need it. Its hard to do. Almost all the girls I see I'm friends with. I take them to their rehab if needed. I had one girl that was burned by her dope boy with cigs all over her body' I had her live with me and treated her burns every day. She healed and left on her own and thanked me for helping her. Find the real story before throwing stones. I read SHE CAN TAKE A POUNDING. Good for Miss Mary 222. Lenny6746.[/QUOTE]Lenny wants a parade with gold star afterwards for being the very best captain save-a-ho ever!

They aren't your friends, Lenny.

And the winner is!! TechSicles! Yey All mouth no dick! Lenny6746.

[QUOTE=Steveyy1776;4976348]I think you both have done good to help people out. Well done Lenny on the things you have done. As far as Ryann, I've seen her multiple times. In our regular conversations we've talked about our volunteer work. She shared how the other week she took some blankets to some homeless ladies and also gave them some food and money. I suggested to her that giving money is not a good idea. But my point is that this girl does have a heart of gold. All this arguing reminds me of listening to my friends, fight over politics. .[/QUOTE]The funny thing is this all started as whining about how much she charges. Guess what folks, she can charge what she wants to sell her ass. I saw her once when she was with EE. It was good, but didn't hit it off like I hoped. At the time there were more options than today that were reasonably priced & seemingly drug free. It seems like almost all the providers fall into one of two categories today: fat crack hoes that I don't want to touch or reasonably fit & attractive ladies. There's not a lot in the latter category, especially in NKY. That's why she can get away with charging those higher rates for now. If supply gets better I bet the prices some down. At this point I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger despite the $400 for an hour with a young, fit, drug free lady who can actually carry a conversation.

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/iurh5k/a_classic/[/URL]

[QUOTE=DarkKnight2020;4982464]That's her, would be great if everyone practice what they preach though, some members do not want to share under the radar girls. That's neither here nor there but sharing is caring. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Better slow your roll there Batman. This isn't Gotham. The sharing of contact information of ladies who prefer to keep a low profile is vastly different than a provider who advertises. You don't get to demand contract information regardless of whether you are a newbie or a senior.

Ladies who prefer to stay UTR do so for different reasons and it is THEM that decide who gets to contact them. They could ask one or two guys they trust to act as gatekeepers to filter and control access, limiting it to guys that they trust. But at no time is it assumed that it's free to just any Batman, Superman, or Aquaman that demands it.

We may be a bunch of reprobates who pay for sex, but we also appreciate a woman who treats us well. They treat us well, we treat them well, and everyone is happy; we are protective of that balance.

You want access? Then you come correct.

Could all the providers stop posting on the forums! Molly Daniels did it back at the start of Covid, so I had to see her. Because it was hot af to see her stir up everyone on here. Now I'm addicted to Molly. Now Ryann made Lenny look stupid and now I want to see her despite her being more than I want to pay. I can't afford this sh*t. I have no shame in admitting it either.

[QUOTE=DNut;4982752]Better slow your roll there Batman. This isn't Gotham. The sharing of contact information of ladies who prefer to keep a low profile is vastly different than a provider who advertises. You don't get to demand contract information regardless of whether you are a newbie or a senior.

Ladies who prefer to stay UTR do so for different reasons and it is THEM that decide who gets to contact them. They could ask one or two guys they trust to act as gatekeepers to filter and control access, limiting it to guys that they trust. But at no time is it assumed that it's free to just any Batman, Superman, or Aquaman that demands it.

We may be a bunch of reprobates who pay for sex, but we also appreciate a woman who treats us well. They treat us well, we treat them well, and everyone is happy; we are protective of that balance.

You want access? Then you come correct.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure this hero is working in the best interests of the community.

Same dude PM'd me for OTC UTRs a month or so ago. Has been a member since late June. I didn't even say that I had numbers, it was just a post that said I enjoy the hunt for numbers in clubs and have landed some in the past. If only life were that easy for a monger, just send messages to people you don't know to do all the work for you.

Granted, he appears to have some reviews out there so he is contributing but do you really expect me to just throw phone numbers around to people I don't know? OTC girls don't post ads, if they are willing to see someone they didn't meet ITC then it is done by referrals. I don't know you, dude, and your resume ain't there yet. I'm not risking relationships that I invested in (literally) to have a random monger text them out of the blue and freak them out.

Maybe we'd be talking if he offered a trade of numbers, maybe. But, he didn't. He just outright asked for the numbers. No please, no thank you. What a dick.

I've both made and read some posts recently about the ages of providers. There seems to be a preference here for older (over 35) providers. I don't get it.

My purpose in making this post isn't to argue, but to try to understand. Here's what I'm getting at: I've seen people rave about "Annie Girl":

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl[/URL]

Annie isn't a girl. She isn't even a "MILF". She's an elderly woman.

Age, I suppose, is relative. I'm in my early 50's, though, and I don't see the MILF thing. Over this past summer, I met two 19 year olds on Seeking who were very aggressive. Nor, therefore, has it been my experience that young girls are simply poor lays or hard to deal with. I've had plenty of younger women from Discreet Desires and Fantasys who performed very well. This isn't rocket science, after all.

Nor am I an exceptionally attractive man. The one thing I do have going for me is that I'm reasonably fit for a 52 year old man, but that's it. I am very average. No Brad Pitt. Nothing to write home about.

So, what is the disconnect here? One possibility is that we have a large number of much older hobbyists here who simply don't feel comfortable, for whatever reason, with women under 30. But at 52, I'm more than old enough to be a 30 year old's father. Also, at 52, I can't believe that many of you are decades older than me. My dad is 74, and I'm pretty sure he isn't posting here.

My thesis is this: If you're going to pay, get the most "conventionally attractive" woman you can. Age is a factor in that. There's a reason why Playboy doesn't focus on women over 40.

Anyway, I would be interested in hearing why some of you seem to actively avoid conventionally attractive women in favor of (I'm not exaggerating here) women who literally could be grandmothers. I'm all ears.

First, there is no accounting for taste. So, you will likely never truly understand.

Heck, I got a bunch of crap for seeing that woman that looks like Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies. But I was bored at work, trolling on my phone, and she offered a reasonably priced BJ and it was on the way to meet my buddies for drinks and cigars.

It was a total goof but I also have told that story countless times and others fund it humorous. So, it was worth the cost in free beers I have since received but I won't repeat.

I don't understand golden shower fetish either but some people seem to like it.

I usually go for 20 somethings and see Leigh weekly. Some people won't see her because her dental situation isn't great. Go figure.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4989602]I've both made and read some posts recently about the ages of providers. There seems to be a preference here for older (over 35) providers. I don't get it.

My purpose in making this post isn't to argue, but to try to understand.

Anyway, I would be interested in hearing why some of you seem to actively avoid conventionally attractive women in favor of (I'm not exaggerating here) women who literally could be grandmothers. I'm all ears.[/QUOTE]

Age isn't a big thing to me. I am 65 and a 50 year old if she is fun to be with. Technically I am old enough to be her father.

I see a 50+ GILF in Lexington when I go there. She has a body of a 30 something and a sex drive that won't stop. We often go out to eat before or after our date and she is "Age Appropriate" for me. That stops all the looks I get with younger women.

The youngest I've had over the years was 18 and 1 month. I saw her I'd before we did anything and she admitted to me after our third date that she always had a good time with me because I didn't treat her like just a "cum dumpster like a lot of the men younger and older". With her we always got stares when we were out in public.

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[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4989602]I've both made and read some posts recently about the ages of providers. There seems to be a preference here for older (over 35) providers. I don't get it.

My purpose in making this post isn't to argue, but to try to understand. Here's what I'm getting at: I've seen people rave about "Annie Girl":

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl[/URL]

Annie isn't a girl. She isn't even a "MILF". She's an elderly woman.

Age, I suppose, is relative. I'm in my early 50's, though, and I don't see the MILF thing. Over this past summer, I met two 19 year olds on Seeking who were very aggressive. Nor, therefore, has it been my experience that young girls are simply poor lays or hard to deal with. I've had plenty of younger women from Discreet Desires and Fantasys who performed very well. This isn't rocket science, after all.

Nor am I an exceptionally attractive man. The one thing I do have going for me is that I'm reasonably fit for a 52 year old man, but that's it. I am very average. No Brad Pitt. Nothing to write home about.

So, what is the disconnect here? One possibility is that we have a large number of much older hobbyists here who simply don't feel comfortable, for whatever reason, with women under 30. But at 52, I'm more than old enough to be a 30 year old's father. Also, at 52, I can't believe that many of you are decades older than me. My dad is 74, and I'm pretty sure he isn't posting here.

My thesis is this: If you're going to pay, get the most "conventionally attractive" woman you can. Age is a factor in that. There's a reason why Playboy doesn't focus on women over 40.

Anyway, I would be interested in hearing why some of you seem to actively avoid conventionally attractive women in favor of (I'm not exaggerating here) women who literally could be grandmothers. I'm all ears.[/QUOTE].

You all bring up a good point. That each person's taste in women differ. There are so many different reasons we like a woman. Size, color, age, and many other physical attributes are one reason. Location and time of availability is another. Most men like skinny women, like Leighbby. To me, she is too skinny. I like bigger women. Same thing can be said about age, as some have mentioned.

All that being said, feel free to give your reports. Don't be worried about mongers who won't like that type of woman. Cause there are others who do. We have two sections one for sugarbabies and another for streetwalkers. Some of us might not entertain either of those types. But there are those who do. So as many different types of providers, there are that many different types of mongers. So if you like fatties, skinnies, grannies, druggies, black, asian, or whatever, please post. I would think most of us probably just like variety. So even if a woman might not be our preference, we might just hook up for something different.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4989602]I've both made and read some posts recently about the ages of providers. There seems to be a preference here for older (over 35) providers. I don't get it.

My purpose in making this post isn't to argue, but to try to understand. Here's what I'm getting at: I've seen people rave about "Annie Girl":

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl[/URL]

Annie isn't a girl. She isn't even a "MILF". She's an elderly woman.

Age, I suppose, is relative. I'm in my early 50's, though, and I don't see the MILF thing. Over this past summer, I met two 19 year olds on Seeking who were very aggressive. Nor, therefore, has it been my experience that young girls are simply poor lays or hard to deal with. I've had plenty of younger women from Discreet Desires and Fantasys who performed very well. This isn't rocket science, after all.

Nor am I an exceptionally attractive man. The one thing I do have going for me is that I'm reasonably fit for a 52 year old man, but that's it. I am very average. No Brad Pitt. Nothing to write home about.

So, what is the disconnect here? One possibility is that we have a large number of much older hobbyists here who simply don't feel comfortable, for whatever reason, with women under 30. But at 52, I'm more than old enough to be a 30 year old's father. Also, at 52, I can't believe that many of you are decades older than me. My dad is 74, and I'm pretty sure he isn't posting here.

My thesis is this: If you're going to pay, get the most "conventionally attractive" woman you can. Age is a factor in that. There's a reason why Playboy doesn't focus on women over 40.

Anyway, I would be interested in hearing why some of you seem to actively avoid conventionally attractive women in favor of (I'm not exaggerating here) women who literally could be grandmothers. I'm all ears.[/QUOTE]I have seen providers around age 40 or close to it, but that is not my inherent preference. Twenty-something chicks are my preference, although I've certainly had a good time with some in their early to mid 30's. Whenever I've seen those who were 40 or almost 40, it was more because of convenience and cost.

The guys in their 70's who post here motivate me, actually. I hope to be sticking my sausage in 20-somethings at that age, and I hope to not need pills to make my little soldier rise to the occasion.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;4989791]I have seen providers around age 40 or close to it, but that is not my inherent preference. Twenty-something chicks are my preference, although I've certainly had a good time with some in their early to mid 30's. Whenever I've seen those who were 40 or almost 40, it was more because of convenience and cost.

The guys in their 70's who post here motivate me, actually. I hope to be sticking my sausage in 20-somethings at that age, and I hope to not need pills to make my little soldier rise to the occasion.[/QUOTE]Since you mentioned you wanted to emulate we older gents, I thought I would weigh in on your musings. LOL.

This is a mixed bag for me, the provider age issue. I am a few weeks from 72. I still really dig getting laid and, on my better days, fucking the shit out of a woman when I can muster the magic mojo.

I do get a thrill out of being with a hot young babe. I mean, who doesn't enjoy looking at a young naked body and knowing that, in a few minutes, you're going to be wrapped around that beautiful body and, in a few minutes more, pounding your dick into that amazing young pussy! It winds me up!

I remember one young Black provider. I thought she was the most exotically beautiful girl I had ever seen. My body literally ached every time I watched her undress as I lay in bed. I used to tell her she was painfully beautiful. Watching her undress was the best part of the date. She was a terrible fuck, at least for me.

So, when I think of younger ladies that I thought were hot and exciting, Ryder comes to mind. Alaya LeRoux comes to mind. Who else: Remmy, Natti, Noelle, Sassy, Karmyn and a few UTR Black girls, to name a few. I'm sure there were others but these are the ones that come to mind at the moment.

But, when I reflect, these are not the women that excited me the most. They did not elevate me to the height of passion that others have. That list includes: Jill, Rhonda, Amy, Josie (Madylyn) and the Lady J. All these ladies are / were older. Every one of them was more sensual and passionate than any of the younger ladies above. Passion and sensuality like Josie brought to my bed was nothing short of amazing.

If I had to pick a favorite, it would be a dead heat between Josie and Rhonda, both ladies in their forties when they were here.

[QUOTE=BTBear;4989640]Age isn't a big thing to me. I am 65 and a 50 year old if she is fun to be with. Technically I am old enough to be her father.

I see a 50+ GILF in Lexington when I go there. She has a body of a 30 something and a sex drive that won't stop. We often go out to eat before or after our date and she is "Age Appropriate" for me. That stops all the looks I get with younger women.

The youngest I've had over the years was 18 and 1 month. I saw her I'd before we did anything and she admitted to me after our third date that she always had a good time with me because I didn't treat her like just a "cum dumpster like a lot of the men younger and older". With her we always got stares when we were out in public.

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.[/QUOTE]Your use of the word "date" indicates this is more than a simple transaction for fucking. While I'm certainly willing to feed them and all, they are paid to be my cumdumpster.

I'm not looking to win the most decent guy award at a dinner with a hot chick who's time and body I've paid to use.

Thanks for the feedback, BTBear. It is interesting to read other guys' opinions on this.

As noted, I'm a few years younger than you, but still "up there" at age 52. You graduated from high school in the 1970s. I graduated in the 1980s. We're not that far apart.

What you're saying would make perfect sense if I were pursuing a conventional relationship. If I were on Match or eHarmony, I would probably seek out women between the ages of 42 and 54.

But pay-for-play means a different agenda (at least for me). On the contrary, I want someone who *isn't* age appropriate.

This doesn't mean "barely legal". 18 and 19 year olds are often a lot of trouble. For me, 20 to 28 is the target range, with 21 to 24 being the sweet spot.

My rule is: I don't pay for the company of female peers. I pay for the company of women who would write me off as "too old" for them in real life.

[QUOTE=BTBear;4989640]Age isn't a big thing to me. I am 65 and a 50 year old if she is fun to be with. Technically I am old enough to be her father.

I see a 50+ GILF in Lexington when I go there. She has a body of a 30 something and a sex drive that won't stop. We often go out to eat before or after our date and she is "Age Appropriate" for me. That stops all the looks I get with younger women.

The youngest I've had over the years was 18 and 1 month. I saw her I'd before we did anything and she admitted to me after our third date that she always had a good time with me because I didn't treat her like just a "cum dumpster like a lot of the men younger and older". With her we always got stares when we were out in public.

Over

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[QUOTE=RocketGuy;4990015]Since you mentioned you wanted to emulate we older gents, I thought I would weigh in on your musings. LOL.

This is a mixed bag for me, the provider age issue. I am a few weeks from 72. I still really dig getting laid and, on my better days, fucking the shit out of a woman when I can muster the magic mojo.

I do get a thrill out of being with a hot young babe. I mean, who doesn't enjoy looking at a young naked body and knowing that, in a few minutes, you're going to be wrapped around that beautiful body and, in a few minutes more, pounding your dick into that amazing young pussy! It winds me up!

I remember one young Black provider. I thought she was the most exotically beautiful girl I had ever seen. My body literally ached every time I watched her undress as I lay in bed. I used to tell her she was painfully beautiful. Watching her undress was the best part of the date. She was a terrible fuck, at least for me.

So, when I think of younger ladies that I thought were hot and exciting, Ryder comes to mind. Alaya LeRoux comes to mind. Who else: Remmy, Natti, Noelle, Sassy, Karmyn and a few UTR Black girls, to name a few. I'm sure there were others but these are the ones that come to mind at the moment.

But, when I reflect, these are not the women that excited me the most. They did not elevate me to the height of passion that others have. That list includes: Jill, Rhonda, Amy, Josie (Madylyn) and the Lady J. All these ladies are / were older. Every one of them was more sensual and passionate than any of the younger ladies above. Passion and sensuality like Josie brought to my bed was nothing short of amazing.

If I had to pick a favorite, it would be a dead heat between Josie and Rhonda, both ladies in their forties when they were here.[/QUOTE]RG.

I will agree with you Lady J was one of a kind Madylyn was another. I am older then you an I also enjoy watching a young provider undress. Just watching Dinvin Rachel get necked is a turn on. There are time we will just set on the couch nude an talk for an hour but I always know when I am read I will get to ram my Dick in that tight young pussy. You never have to worry about her place she has the cleanest incall I have been to.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4989602]I've both made and read some posts recently about the ages of providers. There seems to be a preference here for older (over 35) providers. I don't get it.

My purpose in making this post isn't to argue, but to try to understand. Here's what I'm getting at: I've seen people rave about "Annie Girl":

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl[/URL]

Annie isn't a girl. She isn't even a "MILF". She's an elderly woman.

Age, I suppose, is relative. I'm in my early 50's, though, and I don't see the MILF thing. Over this past summer, I met two 19 year olds on Seeking who were very aggressive. Nor, therefore, has it been my experience that young girls are simply poor lays or hard to deal with. I've had plenty of younger women from Discreet Desires and Fantasys who performed very well. This isn't rocket science, after all.

Nor am I an exceptionally attractive man. The one thing I do have going for me is that I'm reasonably fit for a 52 year old man, but that's it. I am very average. No Brad Pitt. Nothing to write home about.

So, what is the disconnect here? One possibility is that we have a large number of much older hobbyists here who simply don't feel comfortable, for whatever reason, with women under 30. But at 52, I'm more than old enough to be a 30 year old's father. Also, at 52, I can't believe that many of you are decades older than me. My dad is 74, and I'm pretty sure he isn't posting here.

My thesis is this: If you're going to pay, get the most "conventionally attractive" woman you can. Age is a factor in that. There's a reason why Playboy doesn't focus on women over 40.

Anyway, I would be interested in hearing why some of you seem to actively avoid conventionally attractive women in favor of (I'm not exaggerating here) women who literally could be grandmothers. I'm all ears[/QUOTE]I am in my 70's love young providers but also enjoy a few older ones. One of the best was Lady J. Don't think any provider could keep up with her. Many time after you see you she would say don't think about leaving I am not done. Glad she is doing well but she is missed.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4990247]Thanks for the feedback, BTBear. It is interesting to read other guys' opinions on this.

As noted, I'm a few years younger than you, but still "up there" at age 52. You graduated from high school in the 1970s. I graduated in the 1980s. We're not that far apart.

What you're saying would make perfect sense if I were pursuing a conventional relationship. If I were on Match or eHarmony, I would probably seek out women between the ages of 42 and 54.

But pay-for-play means a different agenda (at least for me). On the contrary, I want someone who *isn't* age appropriate.

This doesn't mean "barely legal". 18 and 19 year olds are often a lot of trouble. For me, 20 to 28 is the target range, with 21 to 24 being the sweet spot.

My rule is: I don't pay for the company of female peers. I pay for the company of women who would write me off as "too old" for them in real life.[/QUOTE]This discussion has been some interesting reading so I'll throw a couple thoughts into the fray.

I'll be hitting 70 before the end of the year and as I reflect back on my monger history, I have to say that I've probably enjoyed the older girls more. First, I "connect" with them better mentally than I do with the 20-somethings and, in my opinion, the older ones generally provide better service. They seem to be more willing to take their time and make the session more of an "experience" vs. A wham-bam-thank-you-Ma'am. I've been with lots of younger girls who hop out of bed and begin getting dressed the moment they know I've gotten off and that's just a huge turn-off for me. Maybe it's because they consider me an old fart or maybe it's because that's just the way they do it. Either way, though, it sucks. As others have said, there's nothing quite like an old guy like me hopping in bed with an attractive, firm, hot young body but, as I've said, the performance and attitude just aren't there more often than not. Of course their are exceptions. SincyCinnamon is, by far, my all-time ATF and she's in her mid-20's.

I think I can sum up my thoughts pretty simply but saying that I really like the THOUGHT of being with hot, young chicks but the REALITY of it is that I'm disappointed more often than with the older gals. Granted, you sacrifice the hard bodies with the older women but the attitude seems to be much better. And it's the "attitude", in my opinion, that makes or breaks the affair. Let's face it, we're all different--different strokes for different folks. Some guys like BBWs, I don't. Some guys like full Bush, I don't. Some guys don't care about kissing / GFE, I do. Some guys really get into Greek, I can take it or leave it. The list goes on and on.

[QUOTE=RocketGuy;4990015]Since you mentioned you wanted to emulate we older gents, I thought I would weigh in on your musings. LOL.

This is a mixed bag for me, the provider age issue. I am a few weeks from 72. I still really dig getting laid and, on my better days, fucking the shit out of a woman when I can muster the magic mojo.

I do get a thrill out of being with a hot young babe. I mean, who doesn't enjoy looking at a young naked body and knowing that, in a few minutes, you're going to be wrapped around that beautiful body and, in a few minutes more, pounding your dick into that amazing young pussy! It winds me up!

I remember one young Black provider. I thought she was the most exotically beautiful girl I had ever seen. My body literally ached every time I watched her undress as I lay in bed. I used to tell her she was painfully beautiful. Watching her undress was the best part of the date. She was a terrible fuck, at least for me.

So, when I think of younger ladies that I thought were hot and exciting, Ryder comes to mind. Alaya LeRoux comes to mind. Who else: Remmy, Natti, Noelle, Sassy, Karmyn and a few UTR Black girls, to name a few. I'm sure there were others but these are the ones that come to mind at the moment.

But, when I reflect, these are not the women that excited me the most. They did not elevate me to the height of passion that others have. That list includes: Jill, Rhonda, Amy, Josie (Madylyn) and the Lady J. All these ladies are / were older. Every one of them was more sensual and passionate than any of the younger ladies above. Passion and sensuality like Josie brought to my bed was nothing short of amazing.

If I had to pick a favorite, it would be a dead heat between Josie and Rhonda, both ladies in their forties when they were here.[/QUOTE]I also have had more enjoyment from the 30+ providers. Madelyn (only saw her once when she returned as Josie) is definitely one of my ATF's. Sometimes hard to get in contact with, but when you did, sessions with her were amazing.

Here's my two cents. I can get laid for free by women of my peer group, and there will be total sex crazed maniacs, and there will be pure vanilla experiences. Getting your knob polished is not a problem as long as you have a modicum of social skills and don't have the looks of Quasimodo. When I do play-for-pay, I am paying for the fantasy experience; GILFs and older MILFs are not in my fantasy. Ideally, they're in the 24-29 age range, not necessarily a hard body, but on the leaner side. Of course, I can only speak to my personal tastes. If someone out there wants a gummy from a Vietnam veteran, then by all means, go get you some of that.

Hear, hear, D-Nut.

As I've shared, I'm 52. Women in my peer group aren't in demand like they were in 1990,1995, or even 2005. Nor are they nearly as attractive as they once were. I'm still friendly with my high school classmates. There are girls from my graduating class who I would have walked barefoot through broken glass to bed in 1990, who I wouldn't be interested in at all today. But 1990 was 30 years ago.

Let's get back to Annie Girl:

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl[/URL]

If that was an experience that I wanted, I think that I would be able to get that for free. I think most of you could, too.

On the other hand, I could probably not get Bianca Carlisle for free:

[URL]https://biancacarlisle.com/gallery/[/URL]

I'm 25 years older than her, almost twice her age.

And I definitely couldn't get Rosie Averett for free:

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/rosieaverett[/URL]

From my perspective, then, paying for GILFs and older MILFs is a bit like walking into a steakhouse and ordering a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for $15. Not that there's anything wrong with PB&J. It's just that you can make it yourself at a fraction of the cost.

Sometimes I wonder why guys seeking older providers aren't simply on dating sites. The last time I was on one, there were gazillions of older women. In the dating market, older, overweight women (back to Annie Girl) really are a dime a dozen.

[QUOTE=DNut;4990986]Here's my two cents. I can get laid for free by women of my peer group, and there will be total sex crazed maniacs, and there will be pure vanilla experiences. Getting your knob polished is not a problem as long as you have a modicum of social skills and don't have the looks of Quasimodo. When I do play-for-pay, I am paying for the fantasy experience; GILFs and older MILFs are not in my fantasy. Ideally, they're in the 24-29 age range, not necessarily a hard body, but on the leaner side. Of course, I can only speak to my personal tastes. If someone out there wants a gummy from a Vietnam veteran, then by all means, go get you some of that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DNut;4990986]Here's my two cents. I can get laid for free by women of my peer group, and there will be total sex crazed maniacs, and there will be pure vanilla experiences. Getting your knob polished is not a problem as long as you have a modicum of social skills and don't have the looks of Quasimodo. When I do play-for-pay, I am paying for the fantasy experience; GILFs and older MILFs are not in my fantasy. Ideally, they're in the 24-29 age range, not necessarily a hard body, but on the leaner side. Of course, I can only speak to my personal tastes. If someone out there wants a gummy from a Vietnam veteran, then by all means, go get you some of that.[/QUOTE]I am 67 and have a 35 yr old daughter and for some reason I don't want to see someone younger than her. I prefer providers in their 40's or 50's-closer to my age. However I did see someone last week who was 36 and had a great time with this younger woman. I will probably mix them up in the future but still prefer the older, mature MILFs.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4991184]Hear, hear, D-Nut.

As I've shared, I'm 52. Women in my peer group aren't in demand like they were in 1990,1995, or even 2005. Nor are they nearly as attractive as they once were. I'm still friendly with my high school classmates. There are girls from my graduating class who I would have walked barefoot through broken glass to bed in 1990, who I wouldn't be interested in at all today. But 1990 was 30 years ago.

Let's get back to Annie Girl:

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl[/URL]

If that was an experience that I wanted, I think that I would be able to get that for free. I think most of you could, too.

On the other hand, I could probably not get Bianca Carlisle for free:

[URL]https://biancacarlisle.com/gallery/[/URL]

I'm 25 years older than her, almost twice her age.

And I definitely couldn't get Rosie Averett for free:.[/QUOTE]Not sure about you may be able to get her free her pictures are from 2015, 2016 2017 doesn't show what she looks like today.

[QUOTE=HillbillyBob;4991267]Not sure about you may be able to get her free her pictures are from 2015, 2016 2017 doesn't show what she looks like today.[/QUOTE]Usually there's a deterioration over time on provider pics. Are you saying Annie looks hotter today than 3-5 years ago? Haven't seen a review that bears that out. Quite the opposite, actually.

Brings back memories of shellynineteen. She had a perfect body. Maybe not model face, but close! She wasn't the best in performance, but looks more than made up for it.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4991184]Hear, hear, D-Nut.

As I've shared, I'm 52. Women in my peer group aren't in demand like they were in 1990,1995, or even 2005. Nor are they nearly as attractive as they once were. I'm still friendly with my high school classmates. There are girls from my graduating class who I would have walked barefoot through broken glass to bed in 1990, who I wouldn't be interested in at all today. But 1990 was 30 years ago.

Let's get back to Annie Girl:

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl[/URL]

If that was an experience that I wanted, I think that I would be able to get that for free. I think most of you could, too.

On the other hand, I could probably not get Bianca Carlisle for free:

[URL]https://biancacarlisle.com/gallery/[/URL]

I'm 25 years older than her, almost twice her age.

And I definitely couldn't get Rosie Averett for free:

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/rosieaverett[/URL]

From my perspective, then, paying for GILFs and older MILFs is a bit like walking into a steakhouse and ordering a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for $15. Not that there's anything wrong with PB&J. It's just that you can make it yourself at a fraction of the cost.

Sometimes I wonder why guys seeking older providers aren't simply on dating sites. The last time I was on one, there were gazillions of older women. In the dating market, older, overweight women (back to Annie Girl) really are a dime a dozen.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4991839]Usually there's a deterioration over time on provider pics. Are you saying Annie looks hotter today than 3-5 years ago? Haven't seen a review that bears that out. Quite the opposite, actually[/QUOTE]Didn't say anything about Annie Girl.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4991839]Usually there's a deterioration over time on provider pics. Are you saying Annie looks hotter today than 3-5 years ago? Haven't seen a review that bears that out. Quite the opposite, actually[/QUOTE]Bianca Carlisle is who I was talking about her pictures are a few years old.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4991839]Usually there's a deterioration over time on provider pics. Are you saying Annie looks hotter today than 3-5 years ago? Haven't seen a review that bears that out. Quite the opposite, actually.[/QUOTE]I believe he was talking about Bianca Carlisle:

[URL]https://biancacarlisle.com/[/URL]

Bianca looks good, but the pics on her website are overdue for an update.

Annie, on the other hand, hasn't looked "hot" since the age of disco. She's got to be in her sixties.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl[/URL]

I miss one day of reading and I spend an hour trying to catch up. Damn you guys have a slow day or what. I've seen Annie a few times. She has good skills and isn't bad to look at for her age. I'm in my mid 40's and she was conveniently close to my area the few times I visited her. I'd see her here and there but we have had a misunderstanding. So I just stay away now. I like the older ladies they give better service and quality time for my hard earned money. Lady J, Jaxx 2 of the best. The younger ones are qv and hhr romps for me most of the time exception being sincy cinn. I could score ladies my age possible a few younger ones too. But being married and not wanting to lose half of my life savings because a crazy one gets the idea that I want more out of a relationship than a wet hole or 2 to stick my dick in every once in a while keeps me away. Stay safe and keep reporting.

I have been with the really hot young chicks to where it just about to makes you cum just by the sheer beauty. I have been with 30-40 who are still good looking but really know how to cock worship and get into the fucking session. I kind of agree with Kenal to where I gravitate to the mature better service women these days. We all have our own sex theorem that we use to pick where we spend our money. Do you want a young 10 who's service is a 6 rating or do you want a 6 who's service is a 10 rating. Also add to the equation that not all performances are equal.

[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;4995702]I have been with the really hot young chicks to where it just about to makes you cum just by the sheer beauty. I have been with 30-40 who are still good looking but really know how to cock worship and get into the fucking session. I kind of agree with Kenal to where I gravitate to the mature better service women these days. We all have our own sex theorem that we use to pick where we spend our money. Do you want a young 10 who's service is a 6 rating or do you want a 6 who's service is a 10 rating. Also add to the equation that not all performances are equal.[/QUOTE]Thanks to Kenal, Dave, and others who've responded to my initial question. I've long been confused as to why so many guys on this site seem to actively prefer older and less conventionally unattractive women. This thread has been enlightening.

As I mentioned earlier, this past summer I met two 19 year old SBs who were very aggressive and very willing. I always hear the "age vs performance" thing, but this hasn't been my experience at all. And there's certainly nothing special about me that is making these younger and more attractive girls so eager to please.

I think the bottom line is that some men just don't feel comfortable with very young, very attractive women. All our biological programming is to go for young, fertile women. If you're showing a marked preference for older MILFs and GILFs, then there is something else driving that.

There is, I've noticed, a "TGTBT" mindset in the hobbyist community. Or, if you will, a scarcity mindset. The idea here seems to be: It is only okay for us to do this if we're doing it with women who are older and unattractive.

Last summer, I did a M&G with a young hottie at Starbucks. I'm 52, she was 18. While we were sitting there, I was getting stares like daggers from a group of middle age women at an adjacent table. They didn't know exactly what I was up to, but they knew I was up to *something*. If the woman had been 42 and not very attractive, then the busybodies would have ignored us.

If I'm on a conventional dating site, then I'll go for someone who is roughly my age, and roughly the same level of attractiveness. If I'm paying, though, I'm always going to go for the very best: in looks, youth, *and* performance. No MILFs, GILFs, or fatties for me when I'm paying in cash.

For those who've been mongering for a while. Do you ever get bored with the hobby? I appear to be in such a phase now. Last time I got some was with Ariel about 3 months ago. For most of the time since then, I've wanted it yet not wanted it at the same time, if you know what I'm trying to say.

I think part of it is I'm getting tired of women in general. Not so much sexually, but more because their bullshit seems to get worse with each passing year (we can thank social media for that). COVID and the lack of quality providers here has probably put a damper on it too. But it's starting to feel kind of boring even apart from these things. Maybe after almost 10 years of pretty continuous hobby action, I'm starting to get de-sensitized to it. 20-something chicks with shaved mounds and tattoos were a novelty and a huge turn-on once upon a time. Now, the novelty has worn off. I used to know how many women I've slept with, now, I would have to go through all my posts here from the last 8 or 9 years to give even a rough estimate.

Maybe it's age too. I'm in my 50's. I've never needed those special pills, but losing some interest kind of bothers me anyway.

Can't really bring up this subject with anyone in everyday life, so am interested to hear your thoughts.

You might have low testosterone. Expensive to treat but it helps.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;4997630]For those who've been mongering for a while. Do you ever get bored with the hobby? I appear to be in such a phase now. Last time I got some was with Ariel about 3 months ago. For most of the time since then, I've wanted it yet not wanted it at the same time, if you know what I'm trying to say.

I think part of it is I'm getting tired of women in general. Not so much sexually, but more because their bullshit seems to get worse with each passing year (we can thank social media for that). COVID and the lack of quality providers here has probably put a damper on it too. But it's starting to feel kind of boring even apart from these things. Maybe after almost 10 years of pretty continuous hobby action, I'm starting to get de-sensitized to it. 20-something chicks with shaved mounds and tattoos were a novelty and a huge turn-on once upon a time. Now, the novelty has worn off. I used to know how many women I've slept with, now, I would have to go through all my posts here from the last 8 or 9 years to give even a rough estimate.

Maybe it's age too. I'm in my 50's. I've never needed those special pills, but losing some interest kind of bothers me anyway.

Can't really bring up this subject with anyone in everyday life, so am interested to hear your thoughts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;4997479]Thanks to Kenal, Dave, and others who've responded to my initial question. I've long been confused as to why so many guys on this site seem to actively prefer older and less conventionally unattractive women. This thread has been enlightening.

As I mentioned earlier, this past summer I met two 19 year old SBs who were very aggressive and very willing. I always hear the "age vs performance" thing, but this hasn't been my experience at all. And there's certainly nothing special about me that is making these younger and more attractive girls so eager to please.

I think the bottom line is that some men just don't feel comfortable with very young, very attractive women. All our biological programming is to go for young, fertile women. If you're showing a marked preference for older MILFs and GILFs, then there is something else driving that.

There is, I've noticed, a "TGTBT" mindset in the hobbyist community. Or, if you will, a scarcity mindset. The idea here seems to be: It is only okay for us to do this if we're doing it with women who are older and unattractive.

Last summer, I did a M&G with a young hottie at Starbucks. I'm 52, she was 18. While we were sitting there, I was getting stares like daggers from a group of middle age women at an adjacent table. They didn't know exactly what I was up to, but they knew I was up to *something*. If the woman had been 42 and not very attractive, then the busybodies would have ignored us.

If I'm on a conventional dating site, then I'll go for someone who is roughly my age, and roughly the same level of attractiveness. If I'm paying, though, I'm always going to go for the very best: in looks, youth, *and* performance. No MILFs, GILFs, or fatties for me when I'm paying in cash.[/QUOTE]To add to my earlier comments on this subject, I wasn't saying that the young, "hard" girls don't turn me on. They definitely do. What I was trying to say, and maybe I didn't phrase things as I should have, is that I find older women more in-tune with me, particularly when it comes to GFE skills. I don't monger strictly for the sex. I also like some intimacy and the ability to just talk about fantasies, past experiences and things like that. Most of the younger girls just don't seem to give a crap about that stuff so, with them, I only get half the experience I'm looking for. Again, there are always exceptions but that's generally what I find. I hope that makes some sense.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;4997630]For those who've been mongering for a while. Do you ever get bored with the hobby? I appear to be in such a phase now. Last time I got some was with Ariel about 3 months ago. For most of the time since then, I've wanted it yet not wanted it at the same time, if you know what I'm trying to say.

I think part of it is I'm getting tired of women in general. Not so much sexually, but more because their bullshit seems to get worse with each passing year (we can thank social media for that). COVID and the lack of quality providers here has probably put a damper on it too. But it's starting to feel kind of boring even apart from these things. Maybe after almost 10 years of pretty continuous hobby action, I'm starting to get de-sensitized to it. 20-something chicks with shaved mounds and tattoos were a novelty and a huge turn-on once upon a time. Now, the novelty has worn off. I used to know how many women I've slept with, now, I would have to go through all my posts here from the last 8 or 9 years to give even a rough estimate.

Maybe it's age too. I'm in my 50's. I've never needed those special pills, but losing some interest kind of bothers me anyway.

Can't really bring up this subject with anyone in everyday life, so am interested to hear your thoughts.[/QUOTE]When I got in my mid 50's I hit a wall. I had worked very hard all my life and all of a sudden I didn't want to anymore. Chasing pussy is no different. Mongering is a job, we all go through the same crap. We all hit a wall. My mind set is to be constantly amazed that some young chick will be willing to massage my old penis with her mouth until I spew baby batter into it for a reasonable price. In the words of Spock, "I find this fascinating. " You're hitting a bump in the road, all is well!

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;4997630]For those who've been mongering for a while. Do you ever get bored with the hobby? I appear to be in such a phase now. [/QUOTE]I don't live in the hobby. I merely vacation there. As I have stated before, my involvement in the hobby is to indulge a fantasy. I do so for an hour or two, then go back to the reality I live. There I have other passions and interests that challenge, amuse, bemuse, and yes, frustrate me. But it is precisely in the mundane that I find my mind stirring at the thought of my next monger encounter.

Ever read, "The paradox of hedonism"? There, it discusses the question of, "if a pleasure remains, does it remain a pleasure? Perhaps finding something else that demands your time and attention would give you a new appreciation for the little hobby vacations you take.

A huge factor being overlooked here is price. I have money, I'm not ugly (not Clooney or anything but you know), I can get and have had more than my fair share of hot chicks. I'm getting them now on AM (28-40 range though). But I cannot justify paying $350-$500 to get laid. I just can't -Maybe In a few years I will. And that's the cost for most of the young hotties. I'm inclined to believe there's less psychology behind it; it's more about economics. I have to believe many mongers just can't justify the cost though. Period.

Time is another factor. The sugarbaby game seems to be an enormous investment of time. I'm too busy and can't be taking young girls out in public to dinner and shit.

[QUOTE=PaiMei;4998808]A huge factor being overlooked here is price. I have money, I'm not ugly (not Clooney or anything but you know), I can get and have had more than my fair share of hot chicks. I'm getting them now on AM (28-40 range though). But I cannot justify paying $350-$500 to get laid. I just can't -Maybe In a few years I will. And that's the cost for most of the young hotties. I'm inclined to believe there's less psychology behind it; it's more about economics. I have to believe many mongers just can't justify the cost though. Period.

Time is another factor. The sugarbaby game seems to be an enormous investment of time. I'm too busy and can't be taking young girls out in public to dinner and shit.[/QUOTE]What are the 3 most important things when considering value in real estate? "LOCATION! LOCATION! LOCATION! The current prices are definitely driven by economics, but not in the way of need. It has more to do of WHERE they are advertising. When the USA Classifieds were up, the prices set there were more reasonable because those providers who posted there also had access to the board. They could read what was being said, and the prices set by the popular ladies became the de facto "standard rate" with plusses and minuses given for youth, hotness, personality and quality of service. There was feedback that could be read and it functioned as Yelp did. New incoming girls could see what the standard rate was, and adjust their own pricing accordingly. Those that were overcharging could / would read comments about their rates and they were more inclined to make adjustments.

Nowadays, USA Classifieds is gone, and the new girls entering the biz are only seeing the rates set by their competition on Tryst and Eros, and Slixa, and they think that if Provider1 is charging $$ then they should also be charging $$ Then someone hotter comes along and decides to add a couple of $$ to that because, after all, if some ugly skank can charge $$ then surely they would be worth $$ a session. Newer girls comes along, sees the the 6 benjamins and before you know it, you got a 150/ hr girls asking 4 X what the market will actually bear.

Case in point, this newer Tryst poster: [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/sexxijessii[/URL] She is asking for 5 benjamins per hour. Never met her, and I certainly don't remember any reviews, so based solely on what I can see in the ad, there is no way anyone would part with a Mercedes car payment for an hour with her.

Location, location, location.

P.S.-- Looking at the ads, I think Maci Monroe is priced appropriately. She is reviewed, mostly positive with the negatives being her lack of respect for time and punctuality, and she does have a pleasing look. So, I am using her as my baseline of gauging rate vs. Return.

[QUOTE=PaiMei;4998808]A huge factor being overlooked here is price. I have money, I'm not ugly (not Clooney or anything but you know), I can get and have had more than my fair share of hot chicks. I'm getting them now on AM (28-40 range though). But I cannot justify paying $350-$500 to get laid. I just can't -Maybe In a few years I will. And that's the cost for most of the young hotties. I'm inclined to believe there's less psychology behind it; it's more about economics. I have to believe many mongers just can't justify the cost though. Period.

Time is another factor. The sugarbaby game seems to be an enormous investment of time. I'm too busy and can't be taking young girls out in public to dinner and shit.[/QUOTE]I can afford five hundred, but it's an insanely stupid way to spend your money. Three is about as high as I go unless I just have to try something. Nothing is ever as good as advertised in this industry, ever.

Another thing that is being missed is generational differences and how bad a 21 year old hottie acts now compared to 20 years ago. Kids are being raised differently and have been for decades. There is a clear difference in youths today than people of the same age even ten years ago. There is a lot more entitlement, and way less accountability. When you combine this with a pandemic and a rampant opiod problem, you get above average chicks charging five bills for a nut just because they aren't junkies or aren't 40 plus.

I'm only in my late thirties, but I prefer the cougars or someone my age because I identify with them better and the overall experience (for me) is better. As I've said many times, if the attitude and hygiene are good, I'm able to overlook some saggy tits or thicker thighs.

Different strokes, of course, but for me if I know you have a bad attitude and you aren't even trying to hide it, I can't get into it. Older providers at least act like they are enjoying the visit. The only provider under 30 that I've actually had a great time with was Natalee, and she definitely doesn't fall into the "hard body" class. She has some extra lbs and probably was in her late 20's. Any other experiences I've had with "hotter" younger providers has just felt very mechanical and cold.

[QUOTE=MarblesKyle;4998905]I can afford five hundred, but it's an insanely stupid way to spend your money. Three is about as high as I go unless I just have to try something. Nothing is ever as good as advertised in this industry, ever.

Another thing that is being missed is generational differences and how bad a 21 year old hottie acts now compared to 20 years ago. Kids are being raised differently and have been for decades. There is a clear difference in youths today than people of the same age even ten years ago. There is a lot more entitlement, and way less accountability. When you combine this with a pandemic and a rampant opiod problem, you get above average chicks charging five bills for a nut just because they aren't junkies or aren't 40 plus.

I'm only in my late thirties, but I prefer the cougars or someone my age because I identify with them better and the overall experience (for me) is better. As I've said many times, if the attitude and hygiene are good, I'm able to overlook some saggy tits or thicker thighs.

Different strokes, of course, but for me if I know you have a bad attitude and you aren't even trying to hide it, I can't get into it. Older providers at least act like they are enjoying the visit. The only provider under 30 that I've actually had a great time with was Natalee, and she definitely doesn't fall into the "hard body" class. She has some extra lbs and probably was in her late 20's. Any other experiences I've had with "hotter" younger providers has just felt very mechanical and cold.[/QUOTE]This does appear to be the reality. Based on many reviews I've read on here GPS is prevalent in the young hotties. And that's no fun. But if there are multiple reviews of a young escort who is GFE surely she's getting plenty of business. I just haven't seen many.

To support the economics argument consider this though: any guy on here would fuck Gabbie Carter (or whichever young hot porn star you'd like) If she charged $125 hr, FS, GFE. I'm certain of that. But the risk of not getting that experience for $350-$500 is very high in a city where the young hotties are known for having gps.