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[QUOTE=Revvo;1887004]Remember there is either interest or no interest.[/QUOTE]Yep, what is that saying? Every woman who decides to talk to you, whether she is single, attached, or married is only deciding on one thing,"Would I fuc* him or not?" When she reaches her answer, usually within 5 minutes, you will know.
[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;1887024]Yep, what is that saying? Every woman who decides to talk to you, whether she is single, attached, or married is only deciding on one thing,"Would I fuc* him or not?" When she reaches her answer, usually within 5 minutes, you will know.[/QUOTE]Hmm. I can't disagree with you more strongly.
[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;1887024]Yep, what is that saying? Every woman who decides to talk to you, whether she is single, attached, or married is only deciding on one thing,"Would I fuc* him or not?" When she reaches her answer, usually within 5 minutes, you will know.[/QUOTE]Pretty much the way it works. What I am saying is we escalate in a clear way until we get to rejection or acceptance. This is how we all evolved over the millennia. It goes to the core of what we are. I certainly do not have all of the answers but I can tell you being friends between a middle aged married man and a young beautiful woman is not very realistic path to anything but the friend zone.
Be bold, be playful, have fun. That is what she wants A man. She probably already has plenty of friends.
Revvo
[QUOTE=J Martinez;1887034]Hmm. I can't disagree with you more strongly.[/QUOTE]We're not saying she's playing to marry you, but she has made up her mind if she would ever fuck you and / or what it would cost to do so.
[QUOTE=Genxkva;1887073]We're not saying she's playing to marry you, but she has made up her mind if she would ever fuck you and / or what it would cost to do so.[/QUOTE]That is exactly what I meant. After you put the feelers out and intentions are clear AND she actually talks back, then she pretty much makes up her mind in short order. May explain why I do not have long drawn out rejections. I pick up the "no" or "yes" hint as quickly as I can. Very cost effective to move on from the impossible without spending too much time or money.
But, I have worked on a few girls for months, but that was just fine because everything they indicated was "yes," just not yet. Cool. I scored in the end in all those cases, and the chase was kinda fun too.
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1886986]GG you are right on. Small adjustments can make a big difference. Be alert watch how they react to your interactions. And make small adjustments. Also pursue women that you do not necessarily want to catch. Use them as experience builders. And also watch how you act when you don't want it so bad. And act that way when you are with the ones you do want. Women really notice this shit. Most guys are clueless. Women are super sensitive to how you behave when you are around them.
I would avoid the double babies for now. Too much to deal with. Keep it simple for now. Master one thing at a time. Build your confidence like Hollywood said. Walk then run. Stumble a little go back to crawling again, then walk then run. Eventually you will be sprinting.
Revvo[/QUOTE]I used to pursue girls I didn't want all the time just for the feedback. Excellent advice.
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1886744]JD,
Firstly, if you read back through the entire thread (journal) you will realize we are a national, not local, fraternity, and so comments from the field are welcomed no matter what state you happen to come from. I'm sure there are fantastic babies waiting for you in Michigan, they're just waiting for you to find them. Being from Chicago myself, I sometimes get contacted by POTS from the sunset shore of your fair state, and they are hot. Good luck. If you are anywhere near Ann Arbor, you are set for life, trust me.
That said, your first order of business is to go back to the very first post on this thread, and read through to today, taking notes as you see fit. It will take you a while, but I believe that unlike any other thread on this forum there is a wealth of real, earned knowledge here and not just requests for information about provider X or rants and raves about missed appointments with skanky hookers. (My bias is showing, I know. Peace.)
In short, lace up your boots, get out into the field and do your work, then come back in a week or two with some specific issues and you will find us all more than willing to assist you.
Good luck, and in the immortal words of Brother Revvo, be careful out there.
Scott[/QUOTE]I am near the Ann Arbor area. I been taking your advice and rtff. I am low key and contribute when I have value to add. Hope to share my knowledge and eager to explorer the green pasture.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1886135]I say the pasture is as green as you make it. You would think a bigger city would be better, more girls etc. But I talk to girls around the country and it seems that in the smaller areas the girls are literally starving for attention. So don't let that stop you. What city you in?[/QUOTE]Hope you are right. I assume that their are college sb to be found..
This may not fall into the SB world, but since most guys on here are super paranoid about being seen in public with their SB, I thought you guys might find it amusing.
Shortly after my divorce about 18 months ago the wife of one of my married couple friends invited me to a private dinner hosted by this young chef in town. He's worked at several restaurants in the city and now does private dinners and about once a month does a dinner for about 12-18 people he invites from his email list. He's really quite good and the meal is usually a 5-10 course affair paired with great wines and / or cocktails. The first one the wife took me to was Steak & Whiskey night. 11 courses featuring steak in various forms paired with some great scotch and whiskeys. Incredible!
So I got on the email list and decided to go to the next dinner he had. My friends couldn't go, so I decided to go solo. It's a great vibe at these dinners with a diverse group of people and great socializing. He usually holds them in his house, which has a huge kitchen with two long tables for seating. I get there and start to mingle with the other guests. Then I spot this tall, VERY attractive woman with an incredible body. Nice breasts, long legs and torso, not large. But good size butt. She seems familiar to me, but I just can't place how I know her. We introduce ourselves to each other and the mingling continues. I do manage to finagle a seat beside her when we all sit down for dinner. I start chatting with her and ask, 'What do you do for a living? ' She gives me a quizzical look and whispers to me, 'You know. ' I have never experienced such a flood of memories being unleashed on my psyche in my life! It all came back to me.
Like many on here, before I came to the SB world I was firmly entrenched in the escort world. I had seen this lady probably 5 or 6 times as an escort over a period of 2 or 3 years through two agencies and as and independent. She was actually one of my top 5 experiences. We really hit it off both sexually as well as chemistry-wise when we were together. In my defense, the last time I had seen her was 18 months previous. I had found my SB and she migrated way out my price range and entered the UTR / upper class SB side of things. Also, these dinners are very casual affairs and she was dressed down and had very little makeup on. When I saw her as an escort I was really into the business look. That was one of the things I liked about her and she played that to a T. Skirt, blouse, garters & stockings, great make-up, etc.
She said she recognized me immediately. I however, was at a loss until our conversation. I apologized profusely and we both laughed. I must have really become flushed over the whole thing, because a guy across from us asked what we were talking about since my face was so red. We laughed it off with him and continued on. Nothing more was said between us about it and we enjoyed the rest of the evening socializing as a group.
The next day we did exchange emails and she was very gracious over my faux pas. I was tempted to explore more with her, but knew she was waaay out of my budget range. We left it at that and said we'd probably see each other at one of Chef's future dinners. I went to one other dinner accompanied by the wife of another couple-friends and my escort friend wasn't at that one.
Because of my travel schedule I missed Chef's dinners throughout the rest of the year and this year. Until last Thursday. The original friends who introduced me to Chef's dinners were hosting one at their home. Not only did I decide to go, but also my other friends whose wife I took to the last one also came. It was a beautiful evening and a beautiful setting. My friend's house is a bungalow style on a dead end street in an older neighborhood of the city. They have a huge front porch and have taken the front yard and made a patio out of pavers which is where one long table for 12 was set-up. I arrive and get a cocktail and start talking with my friends. Then, my escort friend shows up. We make eye contact, but we're talking in different groups of folks. Again I end up sitting next to her. There I am, the wife of my closest couple-friends on one side, my escort friend on the other, the wife's husband across from us. Almost all the couples were over 40, the escort friend is early 30's, the hottest thing there and getting attention from all the guys. The wife-friend even made a comment to her husband during dinner that he wasn't paying attention to her conversation with him because he was eyeing the escort friend. Escort friend was being fairly flamboyant and wife friend kept making snide comments to me about her. Here's the best part. I'm taking all of this in. Both of my closest couple friends are there, the wife's comments, the guys eyeing and fawning over her. And the whole time I'm just thinking. 'Out of all of you, I'm the only one who has nailed this hot woman and she's fantastic! ' It was almost an out of body experience.
Good Hunting,
Travelin'
TravelinSD. That was a great story. I thoroughly enjoyed that.
I must good give you a thumb up for resisting the temptation.
If I were you, during that second dinner, I would have brought her to the back yard and nail her right then and there even if it cost me a whole week of income. LOL
Couldn't have said it better myself.
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1887004]Brothers I hate to go against the grain here. But I have to say this is not what I would do. First remember she knows the only reason you are talking to her is because she has a pussy and you want to get into it. And guess what. She probably wants your dick. If you act in a masculine way. And do not try to hide this obvious fact and try to sneak into her pants.
You need to be clear about what you want and tell her what you want. Tell her you want to meet for coffee / smoothie or whatever is the latest trendy drink. Flirt, tease her, touch her, escalate the touching throughout the interaction lots of eye contact, and always lead the interaction. Don't wait move forward. Remember you are the man and she wants you to take the lead. Don't wait on signals. The signal will be she follows your lead or not. Nothing in between. No on the private classes or extended conversations. These are how you get into the friend zone. Matter of fact your goal should be to escalate the interaction to the next level smoothly and quickly.
Remember there is either interest or no interest. Also remember she knows you are married. She is not interested in having long conversations. Hell she may not bite when you try to escalate. That is cool my brother. If she is that hot. She probably gets hit on a dozen times a day. So it is no big deal.
Good luck.
Revvo[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=John Draven;1887161]Hope you are right. I assume that their are college sb to be found.[/QUOTE]I used to live in ann arbor many years ago. The vibe there is very casual. Also between there and detroit proper are some lower income suburbs. Should be fertile ground for HCB's, young MILF's and both black and white girls. Keep us informed.
After a busy week full of deadlines and all day conferences, I was not able to make any dates.
HYM Preggo. Haven't seen her since for a few weeks. Got a txt from her that had the baby this week and look forward to seeing her in 5-6 weeks. She had C-Sect and that's probably how she was able to keep her kitty tight. I am excited to see that petite body of her, without the belly.
18YR ATF. Haven't been able to hook up with her this week due to work. Txt with her today and found out her phone was out of comissioned, had to use her mom's phone. I'll probably have to buy her another prepaid card tomorrow and put enough money in it for her to turn her phone back on. We'll be meeting again early next week.
And for those who are accounting / finance major, here's a break down of CPD on the ATF.
Date 1. 65 for cab (gave her a few extra) .50 for motel. 15 for prepaid card (which she later loses). Total damage 130.
Date 2. 50 for motel. 105 for cab and a little sugar. Total damage 155.
Gift. 8 pair of Fredericks panties for 40. Which I will have her wear on our 3rd date. I will have her put on a different panty each time I banged that tight kitty (no, I am not going to fuck her 8 rounds) LOL.
Gift. Get her a new prepaid card for her to turn her phone back on, which is probably around 85 (want to leave her with a few extra bucks just in case)
Total Gift damage = 125.
Date 3 (upcoming).50 for motel. 60 for cab. No sugar. Total damage 110.
Summary: Averages 173 CPD (cost per date) to bang a spinning 18yr old for hours each time is a pretty fair investment IMO. As you've noticed more than half of the cost (63%) went to travel and motel expenses. The rest went to her in terms of gifts or direct sugars.
Conclusion: I am probably pretty lucky right now, but I believe if you treat a girl well, can make her cum, and make sure she understand the overall expenses of the relationship, I think you have a good chance of keeping cost to a manageable level.
Happy hunting brothers, I await your adventures.
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1887629]After a busy week full of deadlines and all day conferences, I was not able to make any dates.
HYM Preggo. Haven't seen her since for a few weeks. Got a txt from her that had the baby this week and look forward to seeing her in 5-6 weeks. She had C-Sect and that's probably how she was able to keep her kitty tight. I am excited to see that petite body of her, without the belly.
18YR ATF. Haven't been able to hook up with her this week due to work. Txt with her today and found out her phone was out of comissioned, had to use her mom's phone. I'll probably have to buy her another prepaid card tomorrow and put enough money in it for her to turn her phone back on. We'll be meeting again early next week.
And for those who are accounting / finance major, here's a break down of CPD on the ATF.
Date 1. 65 for cab (gave her a few extra).50 for motel. 15 for prepaid card (which she later loses). Total damage 130.
Date 2. 50 for motel. 105 for cab and a little sugar. Total damage 155.
Gift. 8 pair of Fredericks panties for 40. Which I will have her wear on our 3rd date. I will have her put on a different panty each time I banged that tight kitty (no, I am not going to fuck her 8 rounds) LOL.
Gift. Get her a new prepaid card for her to turn her phone back on, which is probably around 85 (want to leave her with a few extra bucks just in case)
Total Gift damage = 125.
Date 3 (upcoming).50 for motel. 60 for cab. No sugar. Total damage 110.
Summary: Averages 173 CPD (cost per date) to bang a spinning 18yr old for hours each time is a pretty fair investment IMO. As you've noticed more than half of the cost (63%) went to travel and motel expenses. The rest went to her in terms of gifts or direct sugars.
Conclusion: I am probably pretty lucky right now, but I believe if you treat a girl well, can make her cum, and make sure she understand the overall expenses of the relationship, I think you have a good chance of keeping cost to a manageable level.
Happy hunting brothers, I await your adventures.[/QUOTE]So minus the hotel really you are at like $125. I need a new spinner. This is the one I got my eye on.
[url]http://la.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/80-rose-evening-special-fun-and-young-petite-mixedebony-ready-2-play-now-18-18/34824560[/url]
She is not SB materiel but cant resist a body like hers. But she works with my girlfriend so I got to be cool for now. You won't find many with a body like this. But I am envious. And I am going to use your wrist binding suggestion on all 3 of my regulars. Thanks
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1887150]I used to pursue girls I didn't want all the time just for the feedback. Excellent advice.[/QUOTE]So, um, what did you do when you caught 'them? (: