Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=BBCForYouHoes;4917223]The SW game is getting a bit rough and sporadic and I'm wanting to chill out a bit. Any tips on places I could go meet some regular ladies right now? I'm not interested in clubs much anymore, nor am I interested in packed bars that are essentially clubs. Any bars or lounges with any 35 and underish ladies, mixed atmosphere or at least where I wouldn't be the only minority when I walk in? At least so I won't feel too out of place. I know there's got to be a nice Latin bar in Hamilton or Springdale or a mixed bar in Colerain or Fairfield or something. Anywhere in the area is fine with me. Thanks for reading.[/QUOTE]I used to go to club Ivy's that use to sit on 7th and Walnut that was a great mixed crowd with beautiful women, now there's a spot on the banks that sit across from the reds stadium right on the corner. I believe Joe nuxhaull (I know I misspelled his last name) way and 2nd Street. It's a nice mix crowd there as well. If you go down there you'll see it. The 52 bar on glenway is also a nice suggestion.

[QUOTE=LakersFan29;4918040]I used to go to club Ivy's that use to sit on 7th and Walnut that was a great mixed crowd with beautiful women, now there's a spot on the banks that sit across from the reds stadium right on the corner. I believe Joe nuxhaull (I know I misspelled his last name) way and 2nd Street. It's a nice mix crowd there as well. If you go down there you'll see it. The 52 bar on glenway is also a nice suggestion.[/QUOTE]The bar in the banks you are referring to is Galla Park. It has been reported here that a few of the bartenders have SB profiles on SA. I've been there for some private parties and the bartenders are hot without a doubt.

[QUOTE=Katmandu6999;4920017]The bar in the banks you are referring to is Galla Park. It has been reported here that a few of the bartenders have SB profiles on SA. I've been there for some private parties and the bartenders are hot without a doubt.[/QUOTE]That's the one, thank you bro. You'll definitely find some beauties in there.

So I wonder what happen to the other sister of the girl that passed away on Elberon? Adriana I think man she had a great mouth on her she could work it best BBBJ in the town. And for the fifty she swallowed my load.

Feel strange coming to the defense of Ms. Crissee, since I don't really know her and don't have any plans to see her. She was always like number five or six on my options and I would sometimes take the plunge on a bad day. But I would just point out that the person primarily providing info on her sure seems to know A LOT about her and details of her long history of prior business approaches, and if you check out his posting history, she seems to be his primary topic of conversation for years. So, maybe he is a guy she ratted out or someone who has a lot of history otherwise with her. Quite motivated, but in the sort of way that always makes me suspicious.

WhereDreamsGo makes a good point about taking reviews with a grain of salt in case a particular reviewer has a beef with a provider, but sometimes when reviews are mixed and I can't decide which reviews to trust, I'll get the opinion of a couple trusted providers. Sure, these women are business rivals, but the more professional ones understand that for the hobby to work, they need to cooperate to a certain degree to verify clients for one another and to exchange other useful information. Plus they know that speaking negatively about other providers all the time only makes them look petty, so they refrain from talking badly about other women unless they really have to. Yet, the opinions that I've heard about Crissee from other providers were all negative. She's one of the few providers I know of that other providers have told me that they flat out hate. I can only think of 2 others (Sinful Dreams and Petra) who were as polarizing as Crissee, but the difference is that both of them seemed to have longer periods of good reviews before hobbyists began finding fault with them, and they are out of the business at this point, instead of keeping at it for a decade or more once their services took a nose dive and they failed to get them back up to snuff.

[QUOTE=AdamP469;4922910]WhereDreamsGo makes a good point about taking reviews with a grain of salt in case a particular reviewer has a beef with a provider, but sometimes when reviews are mixed and I can't decide which reviews to trust, I'll get the opinion of a couple trusted providers. Sure, these women are business rivals, but the more professional ones understand that for the hobby to work, they need to cooperate to a certain degree to verify clients for one another and to exchange other useful information. Plus they know that speaking negatively about other providers all the time only makes them look petty, so they refrain from talking badly about other women unless they really have to. Yet, the opinions that I've heard about Crissee from other providers were all negative. She's one of the few providers I know of that other providers have told me that they flat out hate. I can only think of 2 others (Sinful Dreams and Petra) who were as polarizing as Crissee, but the difference is that both of them seemed to have longer periods of good reviews before hobbyists began finding fault with them, and they are out of the business at this point, instead of keeping at it for a decade or more once their services took a nose dive and they failed to get them back up to snuff.[/QUOTE]Saw her twice back 4 or 5 years ago. First time was outstanding and warranted a second visit. The second visit, she fell asleep with my cock in her mouth. She would doze and wake up and doze again. She never got a third visit.

[QUOTE=WhereDreamsGo;4922842]Feel strange coming to the defense of Ms. Crissee, since I don't really know her and don't have any plans to see her. She was always like number five or six on my options and I would sometimes take the plunge on a bad day. But I would just point out that the person primarily providing info on her sure seems to know A LOT about her and details of her long history of prior business approaches, and if you check out his posting history, she seems to be his primary topic of conversation for years. So, maybe he is a guy she ratted out or someone who has a lot of history otherwise with her. Quite motivated, but in the sort of way that always makes me suspicious.[/QUOTE]The few times I that I saw her years ago, her skills were great and never treated me wrong. But again as I stated her reviews in the past correspond with severity of her habit. Would I see her again, probably not. Her posted ads are not the same as previous ones and tone is different, so spidey senses are telling me no way.

[QUOTE=WhereDreamsGo;4922842]Feel strange coming to the defense of Ms. Crissee, since I don't really know her and don't have any plans to see her. She was always like number five or six on my options and I would sometimes take the plunge on a bad day. But I would just point out that the person primarily providing info on her sure seems to know A LOT about her and details of her long history of prior business approaches, and if you check out his posting history, she seems to be his primary topic of conversation for years. So, maybe he is a guy she ratted out or someone who has a lot of history otherwise with her. Quite motivated, but in the sort of way that always makes me suspicious.[/QUOTE]Crissee is a train wreck now and about 9-10 years ago was worth the price of admission. A Heroin addiction taken a toll on her. She is positive, a junkie, a thief, a robber, a pimp (pimped her sister out), a drug dealers, a scammer, several LEO's side piece and a snitch. She used to be a looker and was a legit but those days are over. I am surprised her addiction has not caught up with her and / or someone she done wrong hasn't done her in.

I know the pickings are slim and not what they used to be around Cincy but this is someone to be avoided.

Be safe all and stay healthy.

Hendo.

[QUOTE=BigDickBuldge;4922447]So I wonder what happen to the other sister of the girl that passed away on Elberon? Adriana I think man she had a great mouth on her she could work it best BBBJ in the town. And for the fifty she swallowed my load.[/QUOTE]You have posted this on three threads! Why did you post this on the escort thread they are SWs! If you are that hard up go camp out on Elberon and catch up with one of them. You seriously way overpaid for swallow. One monger awhile posted he went around the world for 25 with the tall blond sister. Yes there are more sisters that walk and others that drop by their place to pick up meds. Do not contact me for info you only have 4 posts.

[QUOTE=WhereDreamsGo;4922842]Feel strange coming to the defense of Ms. Crissee, since I don't really know her and don't have any plans to see her. She was always like number five or six on my options and I would sometimes take the plunge on a bad day. But I would just point out that the person primarily providing info on her sure seems to know A LOT about her and details of her long history of prior business approaches, and if you check out his posting history, she seems to be his primary topic of conversation for years. So, maybe he is a guy she ratted out or someone who has a lot of history otherwise with her. Quite motivated, but in the sort of way that always makes me suspicious.[/QUOTE]I am a long standing family friend of Crissee and her family and I have never hid that fact and in fact have posted that knowledge and I am privy to a lot of inside information from her very lips. Her ex husband is a personal friend of mine, I know her sister and her mother. I know what she has done to people she does not like. My response to your questioning the warnings about her is do your own research, talk to people in the know and form your own opinions,. Yes I know alot and yes I post about her whenever her name comes up, but wouldn't you? isn't that what this forum is for?

Look at the other responses about her in this thread, very few that really know her have anything positive to say about her. forget all the stuff I have said and do your own research. Most of the information I post about her is info to establish my credibility, and is info I assume other mongers will check out before they make an appointment. But when i say check i don't mean ask her, I mean check it out from other sources.

If I had the kind of inside information on other providers and felt the warnings were needed I would warn about them as well. In the end if people are more motivated about her pussy than their safety then I cannot help them.

I am trying to help the new people that can fall prey to her and have their lives ruined.

Make your own decisions but don't judge me for knowing more than you do.

In the end I have done my job when I warn you, what you do with the information and what decisions you make are up to you

It is not our job to be a shill for escorts, to give them reviews they don't earn or deserve, to hide negative information about them. Our job as mongers is to protect other mongers. To tell the truth.

It is the whole purpose of this site.

Stay safe guys.

Petra is before my time and I saw Sinful a handful of times and had no issues with her. Gave a hell of a nuru, though - my favorite to this day.

What were the negative reviews on these two?

[QUOTE=AdamP469;4922910]WhereDreamsGo makes a good point about taking reviews with a grain of salt in case a particular reviewer has a beef with a provider, but sometimes when reviews are mixed and I can't decide which reviews to trust, I'll get the opinion of a couple trusted providers. Sure, these women are business rivals, but the more professional ones understand that for the hobby to work, they need to cooperate to a certain degree to verify clients for one another and to exchange other useful information. Plus they know that speaking negatively about other providers all the time only makes them look petty, so they refrain from talking badly about other women unless they really have to. Yet, the opinions that I've heard about Crissee from other providers were all negative. She's one of the few providers I know of that other providers have told me that they flat out hate. I can only think of 2 others (Sinful Dreams and Petra) who were as polarizing as Crissee, but the difference is that both of them seemed to have longer periods of good reviews before hobbyists began finding fault with them, and they are out of the business at this point, instead of keeping at it for a decade or more once their services took a nose dive and they failed to get them back up to snuff.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JLZ61;4923837]Petra is before my time and I saw Sinful a handful of times and had no issues with her. Gave a hell of a nuru, though - my favorite to this day.

What were the negative reviews on these two?[/QUOTE]Given their retirements I'm surprised anybody is curious, but since you asked, with Sinful, it was unsolicited contacts. In my case, any time I left a negative review, mostly on now defunct sites like the old "race car" site, aNotheR site, but also that oThER site that still around, I would have PMs from her saying she was sorry provider X let me down, and suggesting a visit with her to cheer me up. I got off easy because she didn't have my phone number, but I believe the rumor was that other hobbyists were not so lucky. And then there were rumors of requests for help or for pity appointments. Instead, with Petra, the two visits I had with her were exciting and fun, but shortly before she retired, there were disputes with hobbyists, and also another provider or two, that led to her blowing up people's phones with belligerent text tirades. Things calmed down after a while, and on the rare occasions when she would post an ad, there were no further rumors of tantrums, but not long after that she dropped off the radar.

Thanks for the response. Now that you mention it, I do remember Ally texting me out of the blue some time back more than a year, if not two, since I had last seen her about her getting some kind of disease and asking for money to help out. I thought it was kinda odd and didn't reply. In fact, IIRC, I posted something here to that end.

Bummed I missed Petra in her better days. Sounds like she was amazing!

[QUOTE=AdamP469;4924159]Given their retirements I'm surprised anybody is curious, but since you asked, with Sinful, it was unsolicited contacts. In my case, any time I left a negative review, mostly on now defunct sites like the old "race car" site, aNotheR site, but also that oThER site that still around, I would have PMs from her saying she was sorry provider X let me down, and suggesting a visit with her to cheer me up. I got off easy because she didn't have my phone number, but I believe the rumor was that other hobbyists were not so lucky. And then there were rumors of requests for help or for pity appointments. Instead, with Petra, the two visits I had with her were exciting and fun, but shortly before she retired, there were disputes with hobbyists, and also another provider or two, that led to her blowing up people's phones with belligerent text tirades. Things calmed down after a while, and on the rare occasions when she would post an ad, there were no further rumors of tantrums, but not long after that she dropped off the radar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JLZ61;4925572]Thanks for the response. Now that you mention it, I do remember Ally texting me out of the blue some time back more than a year, if not two, since I had last seen her about her getting some kind of disease and asking for money to help out. I thought it was kinda odd and didn't reply. In fact, IIRC, I posted something here to that end.

Bummed I missed Petra in her better days. Sounds like she was amazing![/QUOTE]Petra was always fun when she was on the east side. Back then she was thin an I always enjoyed our time. A couple years ago she tried a comeback in the northern Ky area where se retired from. Made a trip to see her an it wasn't the old Petra or Pet she was lot larger an a total waste of time an money. She wasn't around long.

[QUOTE=JLZ61;4925572]Thanks for the response. Now that you mention it, I do remember Ally texting me out of the blue some time back more than a year, if not two, since I had last seen her about her getting some kind of disease and asking for money to help out. I thought it was kinda odd and didn't reply. In fact, IIRC, I posted something here to that end.

Bummed I missed Petra in her better days. Sounds like she was amazing![/QUOTE]I remember receiving several messages like that many years ago from Ally.

[QUOTE=Twisted69;4922990]You have posted this on three threads! Why did you post this on the escort thread they are SWs! If you are that hard up go camp out on Elberon and catch up with one of them. You seriously way overpaid for swallow. One monger awhile posted he went around the world for 25 with the tall blond sister. Yes there are more sisters that walk and others that drop by their place to pick up meds. Do not contact me for info you only have 4 posts.[/QUOTE]I was at the moment looking for her and only speaking about a good time with her. You sound like I pushed a button if so I apology deeply but the number of times I post someone shouldn't o fend you bud I enjoyed her and for you to say I payed too much why are you so personal and openiated with what I got going on buddy.

[QUOTE=BigDickBuldge;4925824]I was at the moment looking for her and only speaking about a good time with her. You sound like I pushed a button if so I apology deeply but the number of times I post someone shouldn't o fend you bud I enjoyed her and for you to say I payed too much why are you so personal and openiated with what I got going on buddy.[/QUOTE]If you had something special going on you wouldn't be asking us where to find her on three different threads! She must have rocked your world with the little twisting maneuver she does as well as the slurping. Yes you overpaid. There are others that are better.

It's not about the person or activity, it's about the fact you wasted band width for the same request on three different threads! Most of us read all the threads. The only thread you needed was the SW thread or whatever happened to this one thread. Geez f at #&ing newbies.

[QUOTE=HendoKy;4927035]Looking for a provider who's pic's are real, isn't geeked out of their minds on drugs, has a full set of teeth, doesn't have a pimp lurking, has no facial tattoos, who doesn't upscale, doesn't bait and switch, doesn't ghost you, doesn't live in a barn, doesn't smell like they live in a barn, that doesn't blow up your burner phone for money or rides, isn't as wide as they are tall, doesn't have back and side boobs, who looks like they have seen the sun this year, not covered in sores, provides service asked for, isn't a dead fish, doesn't smell like fish, isn't 40 looking like 60, has a grooming standard, doesn't have dirty feet, doesn't have an ass that looks like chewed up bubble gum, doesn't think they are queen of the world, doesn't clock watch, won't talk your erection away and accepts the donation when services are done. Anyone? Seriously, anyone?[/QUOTE]While I agree with the sentiment here, and I agree with the suggestion offered in the ISO thread, which was Molly Daniels, the solution to the criticisms in the above tirade is simple enough. One just has to be willing and able to explore another market or a higher level in the local one. Touring providers could be another solution, again, if you are willing and able to get involved with them.

[QUOTE=AdamP469;4930547]While I agree with the sentiment here, and I agree with the suggestion offered in the ISO thread, which was Molly Daniels, the solution to the criticisms in the above tirade is simple enough. One just has to be willing and able to explore another market or a higher level in the local one. Touring providers could be another solution, again, if you are willing and able to get involved with them.[/QUOTE]I did a quick click to see what the history of the poster looked like, and didn't dig deep. But it's pretty clear that he's playing in the shallow, polluted waters of listcrawler, etc. Good luck with that. Everything he's looking for exists, but not at the bottom feeder level.

Oh. And Molly Daniels won't have anything to do with this guy. I have a hard time believing he's going to be able to provide all she wants for screening.

XOC is pretty good, but if you aren't in already, you can't get in.

I'm still above ground. Cherry Pie Sara from a couple of months ago.

Its not always about sex. Sometimes its about companionship for those people who are lonely.

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/iehuv4/literally_melts_my_heart_saw_this_one_wholesome/[/URL]

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;4941761]Its not always about sex. Sometimes its about companionship for those people who are lonely.

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/iehuv4/literally_melts_my_heart_saw_this_one_wholesome/[/URL][/QUOTE]It's just hilarious that anyone can delude themselves into feeling like a hooker likes them.

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;4941761]Its not always about sex. Sometimes its about companionship for those people who are lonely.

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/iehuv4/literally_melts_my_heart_saw_this_one_wholesome/[/URL][/QUOTE]Such a happy ending. So what I read is that hiring a hooker can improve your stuttering?

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;4941761]Its not always about sex. Sometimes its about companionship for those people who are lonely.

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/iehuv4/literally_melts_my_heart_saw_this_one_wholesome/[/URL][/QUOTE]Anyone who has seen "Deuce Bigolow: Make Gigolo" with Rob Schneider knows this. Remember when his client was Amy Pohler? Her character had Tourett's Syndrome and would randomly scream out just obscene language. So, he took her to the one place it was not only accepted, but encouraged; a baseball game. She would yell out expletives as heckles of the players, she got applause.

That ad with the girl that has the beaten beef curtains, fucking gross.

[QUOTE=BTBear;4948944]Wanted to reconnect with an ATF from the past, so scheduled a meeting with Lexi / EatinCrayons.

Multiple attempts to get final address on the day of and up to the time of the meeting. No reply at all.

Just a head's up. I hope she gets her shit together because back in the day she was a great time.

[/QUOTE]I don't think this is simply a Lexi issue. It seems like the majority of providers see hobbyists as being here for their convenience whenever it is that they need to pay their late electric bill, get something to make them "feel better," need money for a kid's birthday, are about to have their phone shut off, need their water turned back on, need their gas reconnected, etc. And, yes, those are all excuses I've heard from various providers, often one's I've seen before and who then text me asking if I want an appointment. Then add to that the ones who, if they don't disappear on you, ask you to postpone an appointment by hours the same day, or reschedule for another day, when you are already there waiting to go into their incall. They simply don't approach their work in a professional manner, and, sadly, it's difficult to get away from this sort of egotistical mindset; even trying to make arrangements with higher end providers can fail because many of them are guilty of the same things, even if the frequency is less with them. Maybe its the cynic in me, but the only solution I've found is to lower my expectations and to look at any appointment I've made as being something that may happen, but probably won't. If I don't get my hopes up and a good dream actually happens, it's fantastic. If not, meh, who cares? It certainly limits the hobbying when one can only really do this on a whim because there's no faith in anybody keeping an appointment, but that's what it's come to, and that situation is disappointing, indeed.

Whatchoo talkin bout Willis?

[QUOTE=ThatGuy011;4947068]That ad with the girl that has the beaten beef curtains, fucking gross.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VinnieKramer;4949268]Whatchoo talkin bout Willis?[/QUOTE]I think he means the camrabbits ad.

[QUOTE=AdamP469;4949301]I think he means the camrabbits ad.[/QUOTE]I would like to get me some of that.

[QUOTE=AdamP469;4948988]I don't think this is simply a Lexi issue. It seems like the majority of providers see hobbyists as being here for their convenience whenever it is that they need to pay their late electric bill, get something to make them "feel better," need money for a kid's birthday, are about to have their phone shut off, need their water turned back on, need their gas reconnected, etc. And, yes, those are all excuses I've heard from various providers, often one's I've seen before and who then text me asking if I want an appointment. Then add to that the ones who, if they don't disappear on you, ask you to postpone an appointment by hours the same day, or reschedule for another day, when you are already there waiting to go into their incall. They simply don't approach their work in a professional manner, and, sadly, it's difficult to get away from this sort of egotistical mindset; even trying to make arrangements with higher end providers can fail because many of them are guilty of the same things, even if the frequency is less with them. Maybe its the cynic in me, but the only solution I've found is to lower my expectations and to look at any appointment I've made as being something that may happen, but probably won't. If I don't get my hopes up and a good dream actually happens, it's fantastic. If not, meh, who cares? It certainly limits the hobbying when one can only really do this on a whim because there's no faith in anybody keeping an appointment, but that's what it's come to, and that situation is disappointing, indeed.[/QUOTE]I especially like the ones that reply 14 hours later and are then offended because you can't fit into their schedule now. Like we are just waiting forever to let us come see them.

[QUOTE=AdamP469;4949301]I think he means the camrabbits ad.[/QUOTE]Haha at that beefy meat mountain of a fuckhole. It kinda looks like some tranny shit where they sawed the sack in half, removed the balls, and now it's just a void space into the unknown.

[QUOTE=AdamP469;4948988]I don't think this is simply a Lexi issue. It seems like the majority of providers see hobbyists as being here for their convenience whenever it is that they need to pay their late electric bill, get something to make them "feel better," need money for a kid's birthday, are about to have their phone shut off, need their water turned back on, need their gas reconnected, etc. And, yes, those are all excuses I've heard from various providers, often one's I've seen before and who then text me asking if I want an appointment. Then add to that the ones who, if they don't disappear on you, ask you to postpone an appointment by hours the same day, or reschedule for another day, when you are already there waiting to go into their incall. They simply don't approach their work in a professional manner, and, sadly, it's difficult to get away from this sort of egotistical mindset; even trying to make arrangements with higher end providers can fail because many of them are guilty of the same things, even if the frequency is less with them. Maybe its the cynic in me, but the only solution I've found is to lower my expectations and to look at any appointment I've made as being something that may happen, but probably won't. If I don't get my hopes up and a good dream actually happens, it's fantastic. If not, meh, who cares? It certainly limits the hobbying when one can only really do this on a whim because there's no faith in anybody keeping an appointment, but that's what it's come to, and that situation is disappointing, indeed.[/QUOTE]These days are no good. Every ***** has issues beyond the normal reasoning for normally being a prostitute.

It is plain crap out there. There is no market, it is not even worth doing anymore.

[QUOTE=TennVols77;4950244]These days are no good. Every ***** has issues beyond the normal reasoning for normally being a prostitute.

It is plain crap out there. There is no market, it is not even worth doing anymore.[/QUOTE]I believe one of the issues mongers are facing is that in the past, there were very little sources of revenue for quick cash. Now, need cash and have a car? Drive for Uber or Lyft. Need cash and your're pretty and want to be famous any way possible? Create an OnlyFans page. Need cash and have a spare room but don't want a roommate? Rent it out for a few nights a month as an AirBnb. There is a whole microeconomy available into which people can tap for quick money before considering becoming a provider.

I never even noticed that. Which the advertisers probably don't want to hear.

[QUOTE=AdamP469;4949301]I think he means the camrabbits ad.[/QUOTE]

Ten years ago there were about a dozen providers, either local or traveling, who were swingers and lived sex, so why not get paid for it? Seems like that has completely dried up.

[QUOTE=DNut;4950267]I believe one of the issues mongers are facing is that in the past, there were very little sources of revenue for quick cash. Now, need cash and have a car? Drive for Uber or Lyft. Need cash and your're pretty and want to be famous any way possible? Create an OnlyFans page. Need cash and have a spare room but don't want a roommate? Rent it out for a few nights a month as an AirBnb. There is a whole microeconomy available into which people can tap for quick money before considering becoming a provider.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IrlFan;4950566]Ten years ago there were about a dozen providers, either local or traveling, who were swingers and lived sex, so why not get paid for it? Seems like that has completely dried up.[/QUOTE]Bobby Jones, arguably one of the greatest golf players in the history of the game, never got paid for playing a single hole. He never once competed as a professional, but that he loved the game, and was very good at it, was never in doubt.

To a lot of people, swinging means you like sex. Getting paid to have sex is being a prostitute. Swingers will be the first to tell you that there is a very big difference between sex, and paid sex, and they will tell you that that is a line they will not cross.

[QUOTE=DNut;4950267]I believe one of the issues mongers are facing is that in the past, there were very little sources of revenue for quick cash. Now, need cash and have a car? Drive for Uber or Lyft. Need cash and your're pretty and want to be famous any way possible? Create an OnlyFans page. Need cash and have a spare room but don't want a roommate? Rent it out for a few nights a month as an AirBnb. There is a whole microeconomy available into which people can tap for quick money before considering becoming a provider.[/QUOTE]This might apply to some young women who are not on drugs, have yet to provide and want quick cash, basically some would-be new talent.

The ones that are already doing this, aren't smart or savvy enough to figure out alternative income streams, nor would they have the resources to do so. Rent out space as an AirBNB? That's well above their space. UBER? You have to have valid license and insurance, that puts out a ton of people. 95% or more of the women in Cincy are doing this for dope, they couldn't think straight enough for 5 minutes, let alone enough time to formulate a cohesive plan for steady income.

You're giving potential providers way too much credit. The women that would do any of the things you mentioned, weren't ever going to be providers. Those women don't want drugs; they want attention, notoriety, and money. If they started doing hard drugs, they'd eventually leave the internet, and become the same dimwitted, pock-marked zombie as anyone else, doing everything for $20. They wouldn't be waiting on shows, and money transfers, they'd have to start getting right now, just like all of them.

The pool isn't drying up, they're still there, the problem is the providers are getting worse and worse as time progresses. H is the reason for the downfall here, nothing else. Problem with H compared to what girls was doing before, is that it fucks them up, so much worse, that they are far less functioning than before.

[QUOTE=IrlFan;4950566]Ten years ago there were about a dozen providers, either local or traveling, who were swingers and lived sex, so why not get paid for it? Seems like that has completely dried up.[/QUOTE]I think some of those ladies have ended up on the Arrangments / Benefits sites. I know the two ladies that I had longer-term "friendships" with were both in open marriages. One went to swinger events with her husband, and the other was polyamorous (aside from her husband and me, she had a boyfriend). Both of these women liked sex, but I think didn't really want to consider themselves providers. Not a great scientific sample here, but my personal experience.

Seems that the Cincinnati options are looking rough. Anyone that doesn't look like she's been rise hard and pit away wet is seems to be have a starting point of $300. Even then, at sites like Eros and Tryst, $30 streetwalkers are masquerading as $400 courtesans.

Who is paying those rates for that level of service?