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[QUOTE=Ftguy68;1699128]Jackson has spoken about this before. These servers are held in another country, and could never be subpoenaed[/QUOTE][blue]===============================================

Hi guys,

A forum member contacted me to express his concerns that this report contains too much information and thus could somehow be used by LE. Just to put this in perspective:

1. Please don't be so naive as to think that local LE doesn't already know what's going on in their town. There is no club, massage parlor, escort service, streetwalker location or other place described on this website that the local police don't already know about, with or without this website.

2. No Forum Member had ever been detained, questioned or investigated as a result of information that they or others posted on this Forum.

3. No information in this Forum has ever been used in any prosecution. It's simply not qualified evidence.

[b]4. The police have never contacted this website or requested any information from me about any Forum Member, and they never will because the Forum's servers are located in Montreal, Canada, safely beyond the reach of the USA court system. [/b]

5. Nobody who works for the forum is in the USA.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Hotrodvfr;1699302]OK you took a different take out on it than I had. I viewed through the lenses of 'your graphic review got my favorite girl busted'. No it didn't. Now you seem to take the evidence against the monger. In which case you're if they can establish what your handle tie it to your real name, establish that ni one else had access to the account then yes it could be used against and it would be bad. Now its technically possible for the cops to do all those things. Possible but extremely difficult. For a misdemeanor prostitution charge, ni&357; worth the effort to the cops.[/QUOTE]These reports are hearsay! Hearsay can't be used as evidence against someone. There is no way to prove it actually happened unless they can put the author on the witness stand!

From what I understand what happened in the LUVSGFE bust is the following. The LUVSGFE girls had a male friend probably a monger, manager, or pimp, which is all the same to me. Because his ego got in to his head because he thought that he was in charge of such group of girls he started keeping notes of the LUVSGFE visitors, name, address, phone number, work, work number, email, and so on. The guy got arrested by some other situation and LEO found the note book on his position that now is property of LEO and went in to investigation and that is how LEO got to this forum. That is why is not smart to visit a monger house for an appointment. It has happened before the neighbors complain and LEO starts investigating. For a provider is not safe to stay in the same location for more than a week. Lets say a monger provides his place for the providers for some affection. Lets say this monger starts taking pictures of the providers with his cell phone. Lets say that this guy gets pull over for a DUI or arrested for some other reason. Lets say that the LEO goes through his cell phone files and starts seeing pictures of different naked girls in the same house and so on. LEO is going to investigate more into detail the photos and girls. In Florida there is a law that if more than six woman cannot live under the same roof because it could be a cabaret of some kind. So now our friend monger becomes a pimp and LEO sits him down for some questions and makes him sweat and he cracks.

Like I said before this has happened before in Brevard County years ago and some provider friends of mine that used their apartment for their appointment. The best thing for all of us to stay mobile. My provider friends used their apartment for their appointments they even provided to the apartment complex workers and they still got a visit from LEO. This girls where top of the line providers no drugs, no pimps, no drama, just come in and enjoy. All these girls did was work out and provide so yes they were hot and young.

Additionally lets say you make a review of a provider and post a picture of her in the forum. So, you are safe but her picture will be always in the Internet, which it means is public property. Later this girl becomes a mother and in some way this picture comes back to hunt her. What could happen to her and her family because some selfish monger decided to show his most recent trophy?

Some people don't like my comments but I got 100 s of PM complementing about my comments so I guess I'm doing something right.

Yes you could say that you are lying but what are you going to tell you wife, and how are you going to bring a court excuse to work?

[QUOTE=Jrbigfish; 1699437]From what I understand what happened in the LUVSGFE bust is the following. The LUVSGFE girls had a male friend probably a monger, manager, or pimp, which is all the same to me. Because his ego got in to his head because he thought that he was in charge of such group of girls he started keeping notes of the LUVSGFE visitors, name, address, phone number, work, work number, email, and so on. The guy got arrested by some other situation and LEO found the note book on his position that now is property of LEO and went in to investigation and that is how LEO got to this forum. That is why is not smart to visit a monger house for an appointment. It has happened before the neighbors complain and LEO starts investigating. For a provider is not safe to stay in the same location for more than a week. Lets say a monger provides his place for the providers for some affection. Lets say this monger starts taking pictures of the providers with his cell phone. Lets say that this guy gets pull over for a DUI or arrested for some other reason. Lets say that the LEO goes through his cell phone files and starts seeing pictures of different naked girls in the same house and so on. LEO is going to investigate more into detail the photos and girls. In Florida there is a law that if more than six woman cannot live under the same roof because it could be a cabaret of some kind. So now our friend monger becomes a pimp and LEO sits him down for some questions and makes him sweat and he cracks.

Like I said before this has happened before in Brevard County years ago and some provider friends of mine that used their apartment for their appointment. The best thing for all of us to stay mobile. My provider friends used their apartment for their appointments they even provided to the apartment complex workers and they still got a visit from LEO. This girls where top of the line providers no drugs, no pimps, no drama, just come in and enjoy. All these girls did was work out and provide so yes they were hot and young.

Additionally lets say you make a review of a provider and post a picture of her in the forum. So, you are safe but her picture will be always in the Internet, which it means is public property. Later this girl becomes a mother and in some way this picture comes back to hunt her. What could happen to her and her family because some selfish monger decided to show his most recent trophy?

Some people don't like my comments but I got 100 s of PM complementing about my comments so I guess I'm doing something right.

Yes you could say that you are lying but what are you going to tell you wife, and how are you going to bring a court excuse to work?[/QUOTE]I don't know first hand but there was talk that this manager also made videos without the mongers knowledge. I assume the providers knew about the taping.

[QUOTE=Jerry Ll;1699531]I don't know first hand but there was talk that this manager also made videos without the mongers knowledge. I assume the providers knew about the taping.[/QUOTE]That is true.

[QUOTE=Jrbigfish;1699613]That is true.[/QUOTE]No not true let's change the subject.

[quote=jrbigfish;1699437]additionally lets say you make a review of a provider and post a picture of her in the forum. so, you are safe but her picture will be always in the internet, which it means is public property. later this girl becomes a mother and in some way this picture comes back to hunt her. what could happen to her and her family because some selfish monger decided to show his most recent trophy?[/quote]one of the greatest things we have in this country is our ability to make choices for ourselves. i get that some people are visual and like pictures, & some even like videos. but in the pictures posted and maybe video recorded there are usually 2 people involved that make choices. the person behind the camera and the person in front.

my point is i don't think that anyone is forcing someone to pose for pictures or do whatever else these adults decide to do behind closed doors. if 2 consulting, of age, adults make choices to take pictures, pose for pictures, i personally feel that as adults that's there fight and they do so knowing the possibilities of their choices.

if a woman agrees to let someone take her photo or record her, sometimes even getting compensated for it, why chastise a monger for posting the pictures if she gave permission.

that's like these celebrities that make videos and the it gets "leaked" and they are the victim. bullcrap. they have to sign off and end up getting paid for it. and most times its a marketing ploy.

i respect everyone and their ability to choose. as adults we should already weigh out the consequences of our choices, and i have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone that makes choices like posing for pictures that are posted online. unless they were done without permission or if it involves someone ****, in those cases the perpetrator should have their asses handed to them.

i personally won't take pictures, or videos because that's not my thing, but to each his own.

[QUOTE=ILuvWomen2;1699665]One of the greatest things we have in this country is our ability to make choices for ourselves. I get that some people are visual and like pictures, & some even like videos. But in the pictures posted and maybe video recorded there are usually 2 people involved that make choices. The person behind the camera and the person in front.[/QUOTE]I always ask (and I think most mongers do too) before snapping any photos. Yeah, most say no, but those who say OK know what they're consenting to.

[quote=iluvwomen2; 1699665]one of the greatest things we have in this country is our ability to make choices for ourselves. i get that some people are visual and like pictures, & some even like videos. but in the pictures posted and maybe video recorded there are usually 2 people involved that make choices. the person behind the camera and the person in front.

my point is i don't think that anyone is forcing someone to pose for pictures or do whatever else these adults decide to do behind closed doors. if 2 consulting, of age, adults make choices to take pictures, pose for pictures, i personally feel that as adults that's there fight and they do so knowing the possibilities of their choices.

if a woman agrees to let someone take her photo or record her, sometimes even getting compensated for it, why chastise a monger for posting the pictures if she gave permission.

that's like these celebrities that make videos and the it gets "leaked" and they are the victim. bullcrap. they have to sign off and end up getting paid for it. and most times its a marketing ploy.

i respect everyone and their ability to choose. as adults we should already weigh out the consequences of our choices, and i have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone that makes choices like posing for pictures that are posted online. unless they were done without permission or if it involves someone ****, in those cases the perpetrator should have their asses handed to them.

i personally won't take pictures, or videos because that's not my thing, but to each his own.[/quote]probably you wold not like me to take a picture of you nude showing your face and just posting it in the forum with out asking for your permission first? why do think that you can't take pictures in an strip bar, or in a elementary school. pictures provide location and information about someone. go to south beach with a real nice ans obvious camera and let me know how people look at you.

[QUOTE=Java Junkie;1699800]I always ask (and I think most mongers do too) before snapping any photos. Yeah, most say no, but those who say OK know what they're consenting to.[/QUOTE]I believe there is the legal issue as well of taking nude / topless pictures of someone in the state of Fl without their permission. Same applies to recording conversations etc without a disclaimer. Safe thing is, just ask, if they say no, find someone that doesn't care. Most times I have found they don't care as long as you don't capture the face.

If the forum moderators want to start New thread. I will expound on this legal premise, so far everyone is incorrect re: privacy, sovereignty of servers, and expectation of privacy or lack thereof. All of these issues, on point, have been addressed in the last 2 weeks by Fed. Appeals Courts. You can easily Google them. (I will not give legal / illegal advice)

[QUOTE=Luknaround;1699917]I believe there is the legal issue as well of taking nude / topless pictures of someone in the state of Fl without their permission. Same applies to recording conversations etc without a disclaimer. Safe thing is, just ask, if they say no, find someone that doesn't care. Most times I have found they don't care as long as you don't capture the face.[/QUOTE]#1- You have no expectation of privacy when you are in a pubic place so no releases are necessary, including anywhere in public, even nude beaches.

#2-There is currently a lot of flack about nude pics showing up on the internet however Florida currently has no law against it, it was reported on the news the other night, some politician is currently working on legislation. See Link below. Read between the lines, who is going to try and enforce it, the intimidation of the law might work but to try and "PROVE" who put it uppics from an anonymous ISP would be almost impossible.

VS.

[url]http://www.11alive.com/news/article/281556/40/Proposed-Fla-law-puts-limits-on-posting-naked-pictures-on-Internet[/url]

A provider who accepted the kindness of a monger to use his house during her visit, sometime when she was not paying attention someone grab her cell and noted her BF phone number and probably mine. Sometime later the monger called her BF and told her BF what she was doing in Florida. Because of that and her reviews with the colorful description of the dream plus her picture on each review now she is in world of sh!t. She is a mother, and had a BF at home a family that you decided to destroy. What a rat? Because my contacts numbers were in the providers phone probably this is the same person who being doing threats calls to me from a block number. Dude you are a coward. If you got the cojones to make a threat call don't hide behind a block number. The guy is so insane that also has being calling my parents and threatening them too. You are a coward! Soon or later you are going to get caught. The calls started at 2:00 am on February the 25th. About the threats you are not even good at it. You are a coward. You going to be the next serial killer on the news. I'm not afraid of you. Providers be careful with who you trust. Don't let your personal belongings around any monger. There are a lot of wolves on sheep cloth. Fellow mongers don’t have friends like this rat. We are supposed to keep a safe environment for providers and mongers. Going after a provider’s family? You are a sociopath! Families are secret! JR

Why would your contacts be in a providers phone. And what provider would trust a monger. Sounds like all around poor judgement. And we all know the saying DTA-Don't Trust Anybody. Especially in this hobby. You do realize what this is right?

[QUOTE=BackJack;1700470]Why would your contacts be in a providers phone. And what provider would trust a monger. Sounds like all around poor judgement. And we all know the saying DTA-Don't Trust Anybody. Especially in this hobby. You do realize what this is right?[/QUOTE]Ahh. All the providers that I have meet they have kept my contact phone so when they want to see me again they just call me and I keep theirs in case that I want to see them again. Also I keep in touch with them to inform them about any LEO activity (stay away from this area) or if they need help for something like change a flat tire of her car. For example I may help a provider to move next week and all this I do it to just to help them I do not want to go dancing because I just fixed their washer machine. When I do want to go dancing with them is just like any regular dancing night. One rainy night a provider called me that her car die and she needed help so I just went and help her and she told me I do not know how I'm going to pay you I just told her I'm just glad that you are ok. I do not see a lot of providers probably 3 a year but we also met for dimer or for some drinks and I have being told that is nice from me to meet them for such things not only for dancing. A few providers know more personal information about me, and one or two have meet my family.

Most of the providers they know how far to go and when to stop with kind of different activities because they really know what they are doing and the providers that I see are from the top well reviewed. Even some providers have trusted me for taking care of their house when they are out of town. I'm sorry that you haven't such good providers or I guess I'm not the regular monger or maybe I'm doing this wrong. I respect the providers I see and don't look down on them. I met my first provider 5. 8 years ago? And I still talk to her regularly to my first provider and sometimes we go dancing. She calls me her boy. She introduces to me her friends to me and lest me go dancing with them as long I come back. But you see some mongers get jealous that I could develop friendship a provider. And probably this is because I just do not see a provider as a disposable tool. And this is how all this problems starts why you trust him and not me, you can't see him anymore. Also, I have seen providers that I know they can't be trusted so we just dance and good bye.

So BJ I hope that this answer you question. If I do not trust a provider I won't review her, I won't recommend her and I won't see her again. You know how to do the trust check do you? Leave your pants with a few $$ in the room with the provider and a crack head won't resist that. Live behind something valuable like an $20 cell phone wait 10 min in your car to see if she will bring it to you if not go to the front desk and tell the clerk to call the room to tell her that you are left your cell phone behind, live behind a cancelled credit card and if she don't call you back she is just trouble. Or maybe I am doing something wrong.