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Thanks for a doze of reality Charlie. Some posters seem to have jumped the shark maybe. The apathy on the subject is interesting, though I can see why most don't want to get in a pissing match over something so stupid. But really? Tip a flat rate $180/ hour hooker for a shitty massage and a hand job? Because she can't manage the money she does make, or get a real job? Come on man!!
It won't let me post or search for anything past the front page. Is anyone else getting a blank screen on STG with internal server error 500?
[QUOTE=AdorableRose;5788285]It won't let me post or search for anything past the front page. Is anyone else getting a blank screen on STG with internal server error 500?[/QUOTE]I am also getting the same error.
[QUOTE=AdorableRose;5788285]It won't let me post or search for anything past the front page. Is anyone else getting a blank screen on STG with internal server error 500?[/QUOTE]I got that yesterday too. Fine today.
I have also been noticing some other weirdness in STG lately. For example, when browsing the ads in gallery and quick views, I am not seeing certain ads that I know are out there. Like when a favorite tells me she posted a couple times, but I see none. Or when someone posts a link in the forums here, I have noticed a few times that I can view the ad by following the link. But then if I try to find it by browsing, nothing.
Some weirdness is afoot.
I agree with Jmaul (yea, even I'm surprised) generally speaking. I generally tip a little to my regular escort providers around Christmas particularly as most have kids. MPs depends a lot on the service but sometimes. My issue with prices though is that they have basically doubled on the escort side. So even with inflation figured in I feel like the whole provider market swung way up way fast. Bodyworks, Luxe as well on the MP side. 400 for what? 30-45 mins of cfs? Some of you guys need to take a trip to Vegas and see what 3-400/ hr gets you.
But more aggravating is the STG girls who are at best a 5-6 overall. Usually overweight, older, using pics from 12 years ago asking 150-200 hh. When BP was running these girls would be 120/ hr. Tops. That wasn't 10 years ago BTW. I mean seriously? How much inflation are we talking about here? So from my end of this hobby I feel like the avg. Cost of pussy in west Michigan is generally overpriced. Exceptions noted.
[QUOTE=Charlie441;5752612]From my own POV -- the main discrepancy isn't about expecting a 40/20 scenario with girls and crying foul to pay more if she's not hot or doesn't do Russian, get fully nude, etc.
Instead, I think the discrepancy is seeing a particular someone who's been in the industry a while (isn't at Bodyworks btw), who's not 'hot' but sure, does has some appealing demographics like many do. Asking for 140 hhr -- along with something like "the more you tip the more you'll get". Shoot, this isn't one of those out-the-box package deals at 140. There's still at least a -some- tip implied to get the standard HE, as you're going to look like a cheapskate if leaving No tip post 140 cost. 180 for HE and no haggle? 240 for a BBBJ? 300 for CFS hhr? Could I afford that? Sure. Does she fit that bill? Objectively, no. Am I being a cheapskate? I mean, I could happily do that + she'd be I'm sure very happy and it'd be a great mutual experience. Everyone's a winner, right? Yeah, but there is such thing as "too much" for what ya get (including not having to worry about haggling), is all I'm saying.
I could also afford a nice microbrew for $20 here in GR. I could have a boat, plane, AND a pet tiger -- I still wouldn't want to continually pay $20 for a microbrew when I can easily get a good one for $5. But it's 16 oz, not 12 oz! Yeah, still. Am I cheap? No. I'm not going to go "Well, I Never!" when I'm paying $7 for a nice microbrew that I know of, in GR, when at a place doesn't at all seem 'fancy'. But $20? May do it Once for the fvck of it since I'm there, but other than that, no. I guess, call me a cheapskate?
"I mean, hey, at that place you don't have to wait for it, it's nicely sized, it's a sweet place to be in, no worries about anything. Go down to some hole in the wall that smells like cigarette butts and cat urine to save a few bucks for a watered down brew -- no thanks!
To that I say, I'm certainly not a fan of that either. Things aren't two-sided like that, tho. And I'm not "good deal hunting". It's just that I'm avoiding really Bad deals, that even my little head can see thru is all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Monger01;5790286]I agree with Jmaul (yea, even I'm surprised) generally speaking. I generally tip a little to my regular escort providers around Christmas particularly as most have kids. MPs depends a lot on the service but sometimes. My issue with prices though is that they have basically doubled on the escort side. So even with inflation figured in I feel like the whole provider market swung way up way fast. Bodyworks, Luxe as well on the MP side. 400 for what? 30-45 mins of cfs? Some of you guys need to take a trip to Vegas and see what 3-400/ hr gets you.
But more aggravating is the STG girls who are at best a 5-6 overall. Usually overweight, older, using pics from 12 years ago asking 150-200 hh. When BP was running these girls would be 120/ hr. Tops. That wasn't 10 years ago BTW. I mean seriously? How much inflation are we talking about here? So from my end of this hobby I feel like the avg. Cost of pussy in west Michigan is generally overpriced. Exceptions noted.[/QUOTE]It's insane that some people are willing to spend that much. I was just out to Florida last week and you can get 10's for 400. I think because the talent pool here has dried up a little that it is scarce but I would never spend that much personally unless it was a regular and multiple hours. Just because I have the money doesn't mean I will. Yeah I might splurge 200 to get someone off my see list but that's about it. But I guess there's a demand so they can keep charging for it.
I go out to Oklahoma occasionally, and the talent pool is even worse and the prices are actually higher than here. Same story in Illinois (around Springfield at least). Think a lot of the talent is going SB and dating sites like AM and doing a bit more of the UTR route and leaving just the lower end talent posting publicly.
[QUOTE=GRDiver;5791297]It's insane that some people are willing to spend that much. I was just out to Florida last week and you can get 10's for 400. I think because the talent pool here has dried up a little that it is scarce but I would never spend that much personally unless it was a regular and multiple hours. Just because I have the money doesn't mean I will. Yeah I might splurge 200 to get someone off my see list but that's about it. But I guess there's a demand so they can keep charging for it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VetteMan6981;5791645]I go out to Oklahoma occasionally, and the talent pool is even worse and the prices are actually higher than here. Same story in Illinois (around Springfield at least). Think a lot of the talent is going SB and dating sites like AM and doing a bit more of the UTR route and leaving just the lower end talent posting publicly.[/QUOTE]I think so too as you can definitely get a SB for less than 400 per meet. A lot of the top tier talent know that SB is much easier than posting since they know that once they get a few SD then they are set and know that they will have a good source of streamed weekly income. But on the flip side of this there is plenty of options if you can work your game as a SD and find them as low as 100 per meet. My last SB was 8 months and it eventually went to whatever you want to donate is fine with me but that's after a few months of seeing her. I am not saying don't pay high prices I am saying pay high prices for quality talent. Just my 2 cents.
I hobby a lot around the country and the prices vary quite a bit. Vegas is $300 for a $60/ hr body, $500 for a $200/ hr body. LA is worse than that and you're probably more than likely going to just get rolled, ghosted or a horrible waste of time, however you can still find $60 BJ's in the right areas. Florida's main areas are asking premium prices, but you get above-average talent. Atlanta still has a cheaper market, but again, super-shady areas to find them. My opinion in GR is the streetwalker scene is decent in price for what you get compared to many areas, which is probably a disappointing, probably wouldn't repeat experience, but yes, it's $200/ hr for probably below average bodies and talent or spinner crack wh0res who are OK in body at least on the escort scene, and there are a LOT of $60 girls trying to get $200/ hr. It's up to us to use this board efficiently. I recommend HONEST reviews. Don't coddle. I think many of us know and do that, and I just smh on the ones who get ripped off by obvious bad deals. But hey, I've been there. We were all new once to this game. The key is don't pay top price for sub-par talent. That's the only thing that will drive their prices down. Personally, $200/ hr talent is adequate for my needs usually, as my slvt fund takes a while to refill, but it better not disappoint as far as end results. I'd never pay that total price at an MP and I understand the explanations on why those do do it, but I certainly don't agree with it.
[QUOTE=HornyFlyer;5791676]I hobby a lot around the country and the prices vary quite a bit. Vegas is $300 for a $60/ hr body, $500 for a $200/ hr body. LA is worse than that and you're probably more than likely going to just get rolled, ghosted or a horrible waste of time, however you can still find $60 BJ's in the right areas. Florida's main areas are asking premium prices, but you get above-average talent. Atlanta still has a cheaper market, but again, super-shady areas to find them. My opinion in GR is the streetwalker scene is decent in price for what you get compared to many areas, which is probably a disappointing, probably wouldn't repeat experience, but yes, it's $200/ hr for probably below average bodies and talent or spinner crack wh0res who are OK in body at least on the escort scene, and there are a LOT of $60 girls trying to get $200/ hr. It's up to us to use this board efficiently. I recommend HONEST reviews. Don't coddle. I think many of us know and do that, and I just smh on the ones who get ripped off by obvious bad deals. But hey, I've been there. We were all new once to this game. The key is don't pay top price for sub-par talent. That's the only thing that will drive their prices down. Personally, $200/ hr talent is adequate for my needs usually, as my slvt fund takes a while to refill, but it better not disappoint as far as end results. I'd never pay that total price at an MP and I understand the explanations on why those do do it, but I certainly don't agree with it.[/QUOTE]I agree totally.
To get the best service from any provider Escort or MP never give money before service. They will all work much harder for the tip.
I walk out if they don't agree to money after services. Most of the time they agree before my hand hits the door knob.
[QUOTE=HornyFlyer;5791676]I hobby a lot around the country and the prices vary quite a bit. Vegas is $300 for a $60/ hr body, $500 for a $200/ hr body. LA is worse than that and you're probably more than likely going to just get rolled, ghosted or a horrible waste of time, however you can still find $60 BJ's in the right areas. Florida's main areas are asking premium prices, but you get above-average talent. Atlanta still has a cheaper market, but again, super-shady areas to find them. My opinion in GR is the streetwalker scene is decent in price for what you get compared to many areas, which is probably a disappointing, probably wouldn't repeat experience, but yes, it's $200/ hr for probably below average bodies and talent or spinner crack wh0res who are OK in body at least on the escort scene, and there are a LOT of $60 girls trying to get $200/ hr. It's up to us to use this board efficiently. I recommend HONEST reviews. Don't coddle. I think many of us know and do that, and I just smh on the ones who get ripped off by obvious bad deals. But hey, I've been there. We were all new once to this game. The key is don't pay top price for sub-par talent. That's the only thing that will drive their prices down. Personally, $200/ hr talent is adequate for my needs usually, as my slvt fund takes a while to refill, but it better not disappoint as far as end results. I'd never pay that total price at an MP and I understand the explanations on why those do do it, but I certainly don't agree with it.[/QUOTE]It's a bit far to travel, but I get over to Toronto once in awhile. It has a good SP scene. Society is a bit more lax on the profession over there, so there's less fear for the escorts to be providers. My experience in many parts of the US is a weariness of police enforcement.
If you have a VPN where you can make it looks like you're browsing from Canada, a useful site to look at is Leolist: [URL]https://www.leolist.cc/personals/female-escorts/greater-toronto.[/URL].
Always on the lookout for new milfs. Anyone remember Cathena from a few years back? One of the best and was only around for a short time. She suddenly disappeared never to return. Probably found a significant other.
She was fun, I liked her little friend as well! Some good parties were held at her fitness center.
[QUOTE=MichiBob;5810026]Always on the lookout for new milfs. Anyone remember Cathena from a few years back? One of the best and was only around for a short time. She suddenly disappeared never to return. Probably found a significant other.[/QUOTE]
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