[QUOTE=ChoirBoy;2509837]Main Street is not closed. I arrived recently and the place was locked up and cleared out. [/QUOTE]Ooops. I meant to write Main Street is NOW closed.
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[QUOTE=ChoirBoy;2509837]Main Street is not closed. I arrived recently and the place was locked up and cleared out. [/QUOTE]Ooops. I meant to write Main Street is NOW closed.
[QUOTE=ChoirBoy;2510472]Ooops. I meant to write Main Street is NOW closed.[/QUOTE]I knew that was what you meant. I also went to ring the bell, but outside door was locked. I hope, idealistically, that Kim has just gone to Flushing to recruit some new ladies. And, also hope she returns with Yoko or her equivalent.
After a trio of visits at various spa's that left something to be desired, I finally got my mojo back with a visit to FE today.
It's early rush hour, so I expect it to be busy but it's not. Candy answers the door and leads me into the room. I was going to ask for a line up but candy will do. She's a tall, thin k gal with huge fake boobs. Most likely she's in her late 20's / early 30's and she has a good look. Right away I'm at ease because she's got some personality too, unlike the robotic like providers I've been running into lately. After the house fee it's TS time. She's a strong gal, and gives a karate chop like crack wash that was a first for me! So far we're getting along. She's upbeat, singing to the music and making jokes. A far cry from my other recent FS experiences. After a short sauna visit it was back to the room. At this point during my other recent visits I would basically find out that the providers can't really do massage. Not with candy though. Candy actually gives a great body rub. Phew, if I got another "zero rub" wham bam thank you ma'am visit I would consider giving this up. I expect a good rub. After the hard rub without lotion she lubed me up and went to work. She did a great job as I almost dozed off. Next was the hot towel rub. In a word, wonderful! With the hot towel on the lower part of my back, combined with the pressure, I finally got loose after having a tight lower back for days.
With time running out candy attempted some ST but I will say that ST isn't really her thing. She's just not good at it. Her ST is just a little tickle and then the standard "what do you want"? As usual I opted for FS and 1. 4 applied. We did some Russian with her zeppelins and then she gave a decent CBJ. She didn't however put the condom on with her mouth. Minus 1 point. After the CBJ she rode me for a bit. She put in some good effort and either enjoyed it or put on a pretty good act. I wanted to finish on top, so I did. Chick had some V control which was great. Haven't had that in a while. She really hooked me up and somehow tightened up a bit right when I came. Plus 5 points!!
Hot towel clean up, another mini massage and I'm gone. Debated a foxy visit but at some point financial constraints have to be put in place. Good luck.
Oh ya, in case some of you are wondering, Far East Yoko is gone. It's a whole new crop in there.
[QUOTE=TsLover42;2510529] I hope, idealistically, that Kim has just gone to Flushing to recruit some new ladies. And, also hope she returns with Yoko or her equivalent.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I don't think that will happen. Main, Kim & Yoko are gone, as are Mimi & Cici. I'll miss that place but I'll miss Yoko more.
[QUOTE=ChoirBoy;2509837]Main Street is not closed. I arrived recently and the place was locked up and cleared out.
as the summer heat starts to climb hold your ground on prices as supply and demand climb. The last money grab appears to be here for the spas.
I then hit Pleasant Street and had a great time. Though I am not a FS type of guy, I hate it when the girls dress like they are grocery shopping. I like the skimpy outfits they wear here. I only saw one girl, Candy or Candi. A little older but attractive and shapely. They seem to have no problem with guys who want less than full serve.[/QUOTE]I may have seen this lady recently too. Will hyperinflation be arriving fast now?
Gina, aka as Candy is now gone I believe. I saw Gina before she must have gone back home. She was still very sweet but she seem to be feeling the wear / tear of this buziness. Previous visits were GFE off the charts. I saw another lady she looked like she was probably middle later 30's she looked like she had a baby not too long ago and she told me she had a child, also lived in the area. Her english was very good. She was decent with the TS, the massage was not bad, I didn't like her LT technique. She was more a "negotiator" and wanted to drain me of 140-160 for just nude BJ. I told her I m sorry I only brought 60 dollars for topless HE. She was pleaant, somewhat mechanical, tolerated roaming but put limits on how much. She was "pleasant", asked me to come back and "bring more money and will get more" .
[QUOTE=TsLover42;2510529] I hope, idealistically, that Kim has just gone to Flushing to recruit some new ladies [/QUOTE]Think back to the first week of February when Pawtucket Police were going around trying to intimidate the spas. Mamasan Yumi packed up the girls, turned off the lights and locked the doors.
In March Mamasan Kim shows up and reopens with one girl, but reinforcements soon arrive. Everything seems to be going great with business steadily growing. New sign goes up and a couple improvements are made inside the place.
During first days of June Pawtucket Police again make the rounds of spas in the city and apparently make stronger threats. Both Pleasant and Main knuckle under and close down, but Pleasant soon reopens and other spas become more careful. Should we be hopeful Main will be back eventually? History may well indicate yes!
[QUOTE=FlyDangler;2512735]Think back to the first week of February when Pawtucket Police were going around trying to intimidate the spas. Mamasan Yumi packed up the girls, turned off the lights and locked the doors.
In March Mamasan Kim shows up and reopens with one girl, but reinforcements soon arrive. Everything seems to be going great with business steadily growing. New sign goes up and a couple improvements are made inside the place.
During first days of June Pawtucket Police again make the rounds of spas in the city and apparently make stronger threats. Both Pleasant and Main knuckle under and close down, but Pleasant soon reopens and other spas become more careful. Should we be hopeful Main will be back eventually? History may well indicate yes![/QUOTE]It doesn't seem likely.
[URL]http://m.valleybreeze.com/2015-06-16/pawtucket/one-pawtuckets-five-adult-massage-parlors-shut-down[/URL]#. VYMT41 L3 bCQ.
[QUOTE=Dupplehouse;2512864]It doesn't seem likely.
[URL]http://m.valleybreeze.com/2015-06-16/pawtucket/one-pawtuckets-five-adult-massage-parlors-shut-down[/URL]#. VYMT41 L3 bCQ.[/QUOTE]This councilor Tim Rudd knows very little of what he speaks. He talks about human rights, sex trafficking, and MINORS. I would like to know if anyone here has ever encountered anything even CLOSE to a minor in a are. I. Spa. Most are women well into their 40's & 50's. Sure the ads on BP show beautiful young girls, but good luck trying to find one that comes even close to the pictures, they are not there. As far as sex trafficking, these women are doing what they want and they are having fun doing it.
I sincerely hope all the residents of are. I. Feel much safer now that the spas are closed or closing. The hell with the real criminals, I guess they are too hard to catch, much easier to pick on a 100 lb woman. What a crock.
[QUOTE=FlyDangler;2512735]Think back to the first week of February when Pawtucket Police were going around trying to intimidate the spas. Mamasan Yumi packed up the girls, turned off the lights and locked the doors.
In March Mamasan Kim shows up and reopens with one girl, but reinforcements soon arrive. Everything seems to be going great with business steadily growing. New sign goes up and a couple improvements are made inside the place.
During first days of June Pawtucket Police again make the rounds of spas in the city and apparently make stronger threats. Both Pleasant and Main knuckle under and close down, but Pleasant soon reopens and other spas become more careful. Should we be hopeful Main will be back eventually? History may well indicate yes![/QUOTE]I watched Mamasan grow the business there from the days of 1 girl. I was promised more once she got busy. And Mamasan delivered. I visited last week and had a nice session with Mimi. It was early morning and I was the 1st customer of the day. After the TS and before the massage began in earnest, Mamasan came into the room to introduce Bonnie, the new girl. It seemed a little odd when Mamasan came in as I was butt naked on the table, but she was more than friendly and definitely trying to showcase the spa. After the initial surprise wore off I started hoping for some 4 handed action but it was not to be as it was just a meet and greet.
Given the challenges in RI I suspect I'll be keeping north of the border.
[QUOTE=Ambrose;2513183]This councilor Tim Rudd knows very little of what he speaks. He talks about human rights, sex trafficking, and MINORS. I would like to know if anyone here has ever encountered anything even CLOSE to a minor in a are. I. Spa. Most are women well into their 40's & 50's. Sure the ads on BP show beautiful young girls, but good luck trying to find one that comes even close to the pictures, they are not there. As far as sex trafficking, these women are doing what they want and they are having fun doing it.
I sincerely hope all the residents of are. I. Feel much safer now that the spas are closed or closing. The hell with the real criminals, I guess they are too hard to catch, much easier to pick on a 100 lb woman. What a crock.[/QUOTE]So sad and so misguided. Rhode Island had been close to the model of many countries like Holland where this service had legal / quasi-legal status and is easily managed.
The RI facilities were consistently clean and carefully screened clientele to avoid problems keeping out drunks and abusers. The staffers were trained to carefully examine potential customers for health issues via the table shower component. Non-covered service was strictly forbidden and enforced.
If you were friendly with the staffers you could learn about their townhouses in Flushing and that property taxes were rising. That they may be learning tennis or golf. Many had family both in the States & Korea and would fly back often and add financial support to their extended family. NONE were spring chickens, few under 30 years of age. They have the same interests we do and like to take vacations, travel and relax when not working.
They know many of the managers and staffers from family and friend connections, they are NOT coerced. They like working with people they know, talking with colleagues of common heritage and sharing a group home-cooked meal. They work hard but have some control over their work setting similar to a therapist or other self-employed.
Many have American GIs in their extended family as they met, then married aunts / sisters / mothers while serving in Korea.
Just like the Dutch / other civilized systems the Rhode Island arrangement offered a service option to some with patrons with physical disabilities, seniors or others with social limitations in a SAFE, healthy environment.
Now the politicians can have their day. They can make all kinds of absurd claims with catchy media labels like "human trafficking" which may not have an iota of factual truth and take long media bows for solving a problem that doesn't exist and harms no one. A great resume item when you run for re-election to take the focus off a candidate's actual record which may / may not show any concrete public service.
Nowhere do I recall in the recent years media coverage of this issue ANY attempt to provide a balanced approach. Never comparisons to the many civilized countries (Canada, Germany, Australia) who regulate this industry in the same manner that Rhode Island had done so successfully for so long and the reasons this approach is preferred.
Those who know history or are Vets having served in the Pacific during WWII or Nam know the USA Government established service areas for our troops - "Hotel Street" at Pearl and the many such entertainment zones in Nam, Korea, PI and the like. They did so to manage the activity for the health of the service men & providers.
Sad we appear in the process of undoing a successful social practice proven successful in many countries, including our own, and condoned by many governments including our own.
Alas, we are all a victim of our own local politics.
[QUOTE=Caseyb7;2513670]So sad and so misguided. Rhode Island had been close to the model of many countries like Holland where this service had legal / quasi-legal status and is easily managed.
The RI facilities were consistently clean and carefully screened clientele to avoid problems keeping out drunks and abusers. The staffers were trained to carefully examine potential customers for health issues via the table shower component. Non-covered service was strictly forbidden and enforced.
If you were friendly with the staffers you could learn about their townhouses in Flushing and that property taxes were rising. That they may be learning tennis or golf. Many had family both in the States & Korea and would fly back often and add financial support to their extended family. NONE were spring chickens, few under 30 years of age. They have the same interests we do and like to take vacations, travel and relax when not working.
They know many of the managers and staffers from family and friend connections, they are NOT coerced. They like working with people they know, talking with colleagues of common heritage and sharing a group home-cooked meal. They work hard but have some control over their work setting similar to a therapist or other self-employed.
Many have American GIs in their extended family as they met, then married aunts / sisters / mothers while serving in Korea.
Just like the Dutch / other civilized systems the Rhode Island arrangement offered a service option to some with patrons with physical disabilities, seniors or others with social limitations in a SAFE, healthy environment.
Now the politicians can have their day. They can make all kinds of absurd claims with catchy media labels like "human trafficking" which may not have an iota of factual truth and take long media bows for solving a problem that doesn't exist and harms no one. A great resume item when you run for re-election to take the focus off a candidate's actual record which may / may not show any concrete public service.
Nowhere do I recall in the recent years media coverage of this issue ANY attempt to provide a balanced approach. Never comparisons to the many civilized countries (Canada, Germany, Australia) who regulate this industry in the same manner that Rhode Island had done so successfully for so long and the reasons this approach is preferred.
Those who know history or are Vets having served in the Pacific during WWII or Nam know the USA Government established service areas for our troops - "Hotel Street" at Pearl and the many such entertainment zones in Nam, Korea, PI and the like. They did so to manage the activity for the health of the service men & providers.
Sad we appear in the process of undoing a successful social practice proven successful in many countries, including our own, and condoned by many governments including our own.
Alas, we are all a victim of our own local politics.[/QUOTE]I am not a RI resident, but if I was CaseyB would get my vote for governer. Amen.
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Becareful out there guys. I almost went to this place a few days ago and I think LEO was already running a sting out of it. Time to lay low for awhile. [URL]http://m.wcvb.com/news/10-facing-prostitution-charges-in-illegal-massage-parlor-probe/33647228[/URL].
[QUOTE=Alover;2515597]Becareful out there guys. I almost went to this place a few days ago and I think LEO was already running a sting out of it. Time to lay low for awhile.
[URL]http://m.wcvb.com/news/10-facing-prostitution-charges-in-illegal-massage-parlor-probe/33647228[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Not going to argue with your advice, cause it's always good to be careful, but FYI there'; s nothing in that article that specifically mentions customers being charged with any crimes.
The charges mentioned all sound related to the people running or working at the business - unless one of the customers had child porn on his phone. (the child porn charge isn't one I would expect or have seen in any spa raids bewfore).
[QUOTE=iamioman;2515935]Not going to argue with your advice, cause it's always good to be careful, but FYI there'; s nothing in that article that specifically mentions customers being charged with any crimes.
The charges mentioned all sound related to the people running or working at the business - unless one of the customers had child porn on his phone. (the child porn charge isn't one I would expect or have seen in any spa raids bewfore).[/QUOTE]Heard on radio clients where 10 plus clients were going to be used as witness Not something I would want to be caught up in.
Has anyone seen this girl 35 yo advertising rehobot and seekonk thanks.
[QUOTE=Alover;2515956]Heard on radio clients where 10 plus clients were going to be used as witness Not something I would want to be caught up in.[/QUOTE]I don't know anyone who would weant to be caught up in a sting, but it sounds fishy. I wonder if the radio station had the details right.
Looking at it logically, LE isn't going to have EVIDENCE that clients did anything illegal - (if they had evidence of illegal activity they wouldn't need testimony from clients in the first place.).
So all they know that a client went to a legal business. LE can infer and suspect and assume the client was going to the business for illegal purposes, but that isn't enough to convict someone on and no the. A. Is going to charge someone on a case they have no evidence for.
So if LE has no evidence 10 clients did anything illegal then what carrot did LE offer to get them to testify?
If LE offered to trade testimony for immunity and not having to go to court I could see some guys (forgetting LE has no evidence on them) panicking and agreeing.
But if they are giving testimony against the spa they have to go to court, and their names will be in the public record and they'll be seen in court so that undercuts the appeal of that kind of offer.
So the remaining question is. Why would 10 guys agree to testify against the spa when the police have no evidence they did anything wrong?
[QUOTE=iamioman;2516696]
So the remaining question is. Why would 10 guys agree to testify against the spa when the police have no evidence they did anything wrong?[/QUOTE]You guys got the story wrong.
[URL]http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/29350808/10-face-arraignment-after-illegal-activity-at-3-massage-parlors[/URL]
Watch the video. I almost choked on my dinner when they interviewed the russian lady. "Lotta traffic, lotta traffic, all men". LOL
Boy I'd like some FS from Joy lin Nakrin BTW.
[QUOTE=iamioman;2516696]I don't know anyone who would weant to be caught up in a sting, but it sounds fishy. I wonder if the radio station had the details right.
Looking at it logically, LE isn't going to have EVIDENCE that clients did anything illegal - (if they had evidence of illegal activity they wouldn't need testimony from clients in the first place.).
So all they know that a client went to a legal business. LE can infer and suspect and assume the client was going to the business for illegal purposes, but that isn't enough to convict someone on and no the. A. Is going to charge someone on a case they have no evidence for.
So if LE has no evidence 10 clients did anything illegal then what carrot did LE offer to get them to testify?
If LE offered to trade testimony for immunity and not having to go to court I could see some guys (forgetting LE has no evidence on them) panicking and agreeing.
But if they are giving testimony against the spa they have to go to court, and their names will be in the public record and they'll be seen in court so that undercuts the appeal of that kind of offer.
So the remaining question is. Why would 10 guys agree to testify against the spa when the police have no evidence they did anything wrong?[/QUOTE]I am not going to speculate on what transpired here, and I know it is very easy to say, no one is required to testify against themselves. But here is a scenario that happened in 2010 or 2011 in Warren Ohio, which was once one of the best mongering in spa areas in the country. This will be an abbreviated version of the events that took place there, but you can review the forums for that location starting before when everything was good, and follow it through if you have an inclination, and too much time on your hands.
The do-gooders brought it to the attention of the state AG, who devised this plan in order to make some big headlines. So surveillance was done with some cameras around parking areas near the spas, and some license plate data was gleaned, along with some MV stops and some questions, like what happened in there, etc. Then the LE either shows up at the mongers door, you know, just to ask a few more questions, and / or some repeated phone calls to the mongers home, again, just to check on a few more things. And of course the mongers spouse wants to know what was that all about, and the next thing you know, the LE had 20 or so affidavits signed that basically told them everything they needed to close the places down, which in several cases was done on live TV. If I remember correctly, the mongers were granted immunity in return for their affidavits. There was no testimony in open court, but the places were shut down administratively, thousands in cash was forfeited, and the huge supply of condoms found was displayed to the media.
It was an awesome run while it was semi legal in providence but now the pressure seems to be on everywhere. I've got to much to risk to take chances. It would be a career ender Time for this guy to lay low and see how this all plays out.
[QUOTE=LatinHunt;2516799]You guys got the story wrong.
[URL]http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/29350808/10-face-arraignment-after-illegal-activity-at-3-massage-parlors[/URL]
Watch the video. I almost choked on my dinner when they interviewed the russian lady. "Lotta traffic, lotta traffic, all men". LOL
Boy I'd like some FS from Joy lin Nakrin BTW.[/QUOTE]It is so tragic and so important to stop human trafficking and I agree. But why does it take over a year to do something and as they pointed out in the video, it was 4 male ring leaders and 6 females arrested. So basically they arrested the victims and set bail for them from 5,000 to 15,000. Where would human trafficked women get that kind of money? Also who is trafficking 40+ yr. Asians? Again I agree that human trafficking is wrong but I like to believe this isn't a human trafficking case.
[QUOTE=Alover;2517240]It was an awesome run while it was semi legal in providence but now the pressure seems to be on everywhere. I've got to much to risk to take chances. It would be a career ender Time for this guy to lay low and see how this all plays out.[/QUOTE]Come on guys. This happened in Plymouth, MA not in RI. So far LE has given fair warning before moving in. Main, for example, closed under pressure and still may return after figuring out how to stay "within the law" (and I really miss Yoko). I really don't feel the need to worry as long as we know where our particular spa is in relationship to the "so called law". Going to the spas is still OK in MHO as long as we are aware of the LE presence, if one exists. Enso, for example, is about two blocks from the police station yet we can have a "good time" and not worry, and the same applies for SS and O. If there is pressure from LE we will know and act accordingly. Continue to be safe but don't be paranoid. YET!
[QUOTE=KoolZero;2517786]It is so tragic and so important to stop human trafficking and I agree. But why does it take over a year to do something and as they pointed out in the video, it was 4 male ring leaders and 6 females arrested. So basically they arrested the victims and set bail for them from 5,000 to 15,000. Where would human trafficked women get that kind of money? Also who is trafficking 40+ yr. Asians? Again I agree that human trafficking is wrong but I like to believe this isn't a human trafficking case.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TsLover42;2517833]Come on guys. This happened in Plymouth, MA not in RI. So far LE has given fair warning before moving in. Main, for example, closed under pressure and still may return after figuring out how to stay "within the law" (and I really miss Yoko). I really don't feel the need to worry as long as we know where our particular spa is in relationship to the "so called law". Going to the spas is still OK in MHO as long as we are aware of the LE presence, if one exists. Enso, for example, is about two blocks from the police station yet we can have a "good time" and not worry, and the same applies for SS and O. If there is pressure from LE we will know and act accordingly. Continue to be safe but don't be paranoid. YET![/QUOTE]How do you know you're not being watched and recorded now? Can you afford for LEO to come knocking at your door?
[QUOTE=LatinHunt;2516799]You guys got the story wrong.
[URL]http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/29350808/10-face-arraignment-after-illegal-activity-at-3-massage-parlors[/URL]
Watch the video. I almost choked on my dinner when they interviewed the russian lady. "Lotta traffic, lotta traffic, all men". LOL
Boy I'd like some FS from Joy lin Nakrin BTW.[/QUOTE]"As a result of the investigation, 10 people. Six women and three men. Faced charges of sex trafficking, maintaining a house of prostitution, sexual conduct for a fee and possession of child pornography. ".
Who was the 10th? A Klingon?
[QUOTE=Alover;2517240]It was an awesome run while it was semi legal in providence but now the pressure seems to be on everywhere. I've got to much to risk to take chances. It would be a career ender Time for this guy to lay low and see how this all plays out.[/QUOTE]I agree, can't have LEO knocking on my door. Unfortunately this will all go to the nasty underground where thing happen much worse than the alleged trafficking. Trafficking is horrible, but not the case here.
[QUOTE=Caseyb7;2513670]So sad and so misguided. Rhode Island had been close to the model of many countries like Holland where this service had legal / quasi-legal status and is easily managed.
The RI facilities were consistently clean and carefully screened clientele to avoid problems keeping out drunks and abusers. The staffers were trained to carefully examine potential customers for health issues via the table shower component. Non-covered service was strictly forbidden and enforced.
If you were friendly with the staffers you could learn about their townhouses in Flushing and that property taxes were rising. That they may be learning tennis or golf. Many had family both in the States & Korea and would fly back often and add financial support to their extended family. NONE were spring chickens, few under 30 years of age. They have the same interests we do and like to take vacations, travel and relax when not working.
They know many of the managers and staffers from family and friend connections, they are NOT coerced. They like working with people they know, talking with colleagues of common heritage and sharing a group home-cooked meal. They work hard but have some control over their work setting similar to a therapist or other self-employed.
Many have American GIs in their extended family as they met, then married aunts / sisters / mothers while serving in Korea.
Just like the Dutch / other civilized systems the Rhode Island arrangement offered a service option to some with patrons with physical disabilities, seniors or others with social limitations in a SAFE, healthy environment.
Now the politicians can have their day. They can make all kinds of absurd claims with catchy media labels like "human trafficking" which may not have an iota of factual truth and take long media bows for solving a problem that doesn't exist and harms no one. A great resume item when you run for re-election to take the focus off a candidate's actual record which may / may not show any concrete public service.
Nowhere do I recall in the recent years media coverage of this issue ANY attempt to provide a balanced approach. Never comparisons to the many civilized countries (Canada, Germany, Australia) who regulate this industry in the same manner that Rhode Island had done so successfully for so long and the reasons this approach is preferred.
Those who know history or are Vets having served in the Pacific during WWII or Nam know the USA Government established service areas for our troops - "Hotel Street" at Pearl and the many such entertainment zones in Nam, Korea, PI and the like. They did so to manage the activity for the health of the service men & providers.
Sad we appear in the process of undoing a successful social practice proven successful in many countries, including our own, and condoned by many governments including our own.
Alas, we are all a victim of our own local politics.[/QUOTE]You should send this to the Providence Journal. I think it's time that people who are clear thinking start to change the narrative. There has also been some research recently that states that countries that have legalized prostitution have lower rates of sex crimes against women. The government has never been able to stop drugs or alcohol. Nor have they ever stopped the sex industry. They do have a history of driving vices underground into the hands of criminals.
Has anyone joined? Whats your take? Thumbs up or down. I'd be interested to know.
[QUOTE=SrDiablito;2518631]You should send this to the Providence Journal. I think it's time that people who are clear thinking start to change the narrative. There has also been some research recently that states that countries that have legalized prostitution have lower rates of sex crimes against women. The government has never been able to stop drugs or alcohol. Nor have they ever stopped the sex industry. They do have a history of driving vices underground into the hands of criminals.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but I've never liked that "lower rates of sex crimes against women" argument. That implies that instead of raping somebody a rapist will just go to a spa. Maybe true, but I don't want to hear it, and it's not a good point to argue IMO. A person who is against spa's isn't going to say, "oh, that's a good outlet for the rapists", "we'll let the spa's stay open".
[QUOTE=LatinHunt;2518668]Sorry, but I've never liked that "lower rates of sex crimes against women" argument. That implies that instead of raping somebody a rapist will just go to a spa. Maybe true, but I don't want to hear it, and it's not a good point to argue IMO. A person who is against spa's isn't going to say, "oh, that's a good outlet for the rapists", "we'll let the spa's stay open".[/QUOTE]Casey wrote a good post, but it's good for us not the Providence Journal.
[QUOTE=Ambrose;2518695]Casey wrote a good post, but it's good for us not the Providence Journal.[/QUOTE]This is a cut and past of what I put on another site.
I lived in Rhode Island a few year ago when indoor prostitution was not a criminal offense. What happened was that a decade earlier the state legislature rewrote the prostitution laws and addressed street walking only. This made prostitution inside of a building not legal but not illegal. So the strip clubs were straight-up brothels and you had many massage spas in Providence. When legal issue became common knowledge it was an embarrassment to the state and they change the law very quickly. The argument was that it was to protect trafficked girls and women when in reality the state had egg on its face. After the law was changed and blowhard crusaders like Donna Hughes and the Polaris foundation made a lot of noise the cops raided all of the massage parlors in Providence. They arrested a lot of girls and spent huge amounts of resources on this and only got several misdemeanors convictions for prostitution. The city of Providence and the State police found no evidence of human trafficking or sexual slavery. Next the cops raided a few of the strip clubs and set up phony Craig's list pages, etc. They managed to arrest the mascot for the Patriots. For a while they left the Asian spas alone and targeted Latino's and where still not able to evidence human trafficking.
Donna Hughes and her group insisted that the spas were a hot bed of sexual slavery. I guess she is a better investigator than the state police. Somebody actually looked at her research and the number people trafficked into this industry and crunch her numbers. If they were true than every Asian in Providence would have had to have been trafficked. Dr. Hughes quickly change her focus to low level pimping. What I find amazing is that these activist seem not to have the well being of prostitutes in mind but are simply offended by the idea of prostitution. Also, it is always slavery, poverty and drug addition never come into play.
[QUOTE=Ambrose;2518695]Casey wrote a good post, but it's good for us not the Providence Journal.[/QUOTE]This was for a spa in Philly, but the same bullshit applies.
I think we're "beating a dead horse" and need to get back to reporting the good and bad at the spas. For example, is M still the best "other worldly" experience? But seriously, the spas are open and seem to be "safe", and we need to continue to help one another.
A number of PM's to me have been very favorable about Opulance. Techs are young, beautiful and have become accommodating. May be worth a visit. They sure look good on BP every day.
[QUOTE=SrDiablito;2518631]...There has also been some research recently that states that countries that have legalized prostitution have lower rat
es of sex crimes against women. ...[/QUOTE]I haven't seen international statistics about this but someone researched rates of violence against women in RI that appeared to show a lower rate of crime against women when prostitution wasn't illegal, but thje numbers don't work if you look at more than a couple of yeears pre and post decriminalization if you don't look at a very specific range of years the numbers don't show any correlation.
[QUOTE=LatinHunt;2518668]Sorry, but I've never liked that "lower rates of sex crimes against women" argument. That implies that instead of raping somebody a rapist will just go to a spa. Maybe true, but I don't want to hear it, and it's not a good point to argue IMO. A person who is against spa's isn't going to say, "oh, that's a good outlet for the rapists", "we'll let the spa's stay open".[/QUOTE]That was my first thought when I heard that to and I similar objections, but I think what the argument really is is that when an activity is criminalized it has to operate in the shadows and attracts shadowy people.
Ex. When sex for money is legal, a brothel / spa / individual can work in a well lit professional environment with security cameras, etc.
When it's illegal, women wanting / needingi to do that kind of work have to work out of their homes or on the street. Either of which puts them in potentially more risky situations (craigslist strangers, people wanting rob / rape them).
So not it's not that johns will rape women if they can't pay for sex legally, It's that douchebags who might rape have more targets in women that are easier to prey on when prostitution is illegal. (women walking along late at night in not-particularly safe parts of the city instead of working in a well lit business with a screener and other employees in case anything happens).
[QUOTE=iamioman;2519738]That was my first thought when I heard that to and I similar objections, but I think what the argument really is is that when an activity is criminalized it has to operate in the shadows and attracts shadowy people.
Ex. When sex for money is legal, a brothel / spa / individual can work in a well lit professional environment with security cameras, etc.
When it's illegal, women wanting / needingi to do that kind of work have to work out of their homes or on the street. Either of which puts them in potentially more risky situations (craigslist strangers, people wanting rob / rape them).
So not it's not that johns will rape women if they can't pay for sex legally, It's that douchebags who might rape have more targets in women that are easier to prey on when prostitution is illegal. (women walking along late at night in not-particularly safe parts of the city instead of working in a well lit business with a screener and other employees in case anything happens).[/QUOTE]Good deduction, and because the spa girls never walk the street it is in fact another reason that the argument for legalizing spa's to reduce rape is a ridiculous one. Maybe it can be argued somewhere but not in providence.
[QUOTE=LatinHunt;2519958]Good deduction, and because the spa girls never walk the street it is in fact another reason that the argument for legalizing spa's to reduce rape is a ridiculous one. Maybe it can be argued somewhere but not in providence.[/QUOTE]I read an article which basically said that in the state of Rhode Island STD rates where lower when the spas were not criminalized. That article did not get the play of all of the undercover journalist going into spas. Maybe it can be argued in Providence.
Here's a good, and funny read. The funny part is when they talk about cheaters.
[URL]https://www.academia.edu/12125214/Decriminalized_Prostitution_in_Rhode_Island_Impunity_for_Violence_and_Exploitation[/URL]
[QUOTE=TsLover42;2519683]I think we're "beating a dead horse" and need to get back to reporting the good and bad at the spas. For example, is M still the best "other worldly" experience? But seriously, the spas are open and seem to be "safe", and we need to continue to help one another.
A number of PM's to me have been very favorable about Opulance. Techs are young, beautiful and have become accommodating. May be worth a visit. They sure look good on BP every day.[/QUOTE]I have read good things about Opulence, but I have also read that they are professionally dressed. Have they started wearing more skimpy outfits like the girls at the former Main Avenue?
[QUOTE=ChoirBoy;2520408]I have read good things about Opulence, but I have also read that they are professionally dressed. Have they started wearing more skimpy outfits like the girls at the former Main Avenue?[/QUOTE]No, their clothes are covering them from their necks to their feet. Like the new ordinance states, looks like they are going by the rules.
[QUOTE=ChoirBoy;2520408]I have read good things about Opulence, but I have also read that they are professionally dressed. Have they started wearing more skimpy outfits like the girls at the former Main Avenue?[/QUOTE]As you know, I prefer AMP's and am only reporting from PM's. But at both Enso and Opulence isn't it what they're wearing or not wearing at the end that counts. IMHO? I really doubt that I will ever go to Opulence but any reports here would be welcomed, I'm sure.
And I really loved those shorts that Yoko and Cece wore.