Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Jim3142;2713542]I dreamed I drove almost three hours to Raleigh for some business and popped in on the NC forum to see what's good. I had read up on VIP and decided to give it a go. Mamasan met me at the door through her little window and told me to come back in 20 minutes. I knew what was up. 20 minutes late I returned and was welcomed and taken by the hand by mamasan to the room. She asked if I wanted a shower, to which I replied yes. Mamasan gave me a good scrubbing down. She was very thorough, and I had no doubts of what to expect. This place reminded me of the 777 Spa in Biloxi, MS. After the shower I was escorted back to the room and mamasan called for a girl to come greet me. The girl came in dressed pretty sexy. She was young. Under 30 I guessed, but had some meat on her. It wasn't enough to detract from her attractiveness, and her legs were great. Her bosom was at least a see cup. I dreamt that she started by massaging me and asked if it was my first time. I told her it was, and tried to keep the conversation going, but she wasn't up for much talking. Her name was Sarah, and she didn't seem too happy. On the flip she motioned for a HJ and I shook my head and pointed to her pleasure place. She then motioned for a BJ, to which I insisted and told her $. 2. She then got a wrapped piece of candy and motioned it at me. After being stupid for several seconds I realized she was asking if I brought a wrapper. I jumped up and got it as well as the tip. She said she had to wash it and would be back. After returning she stripped down and gave me a nice CBJ with some tit rubbing. Then she hopped on. CG and Mish to completion. She seemed to genuinely enjoy it. Afterwards, she told me "Next time $140 on table so I know". It's too far away to repeat often, but hey. I can dream it every night.[/QUOTE]When I first saw Jim3142 I thought I was on the Roanoke forum and not the Raleigh forum, LOL. Glad you had a good visit at VIP and it appears you played your hand well for being a first time customer there and had an excellent dream. I wonder if she wasn't happy at first when she found out you was a first time customer? Sometimes girls shy away from offering dreams when you're new. I have heard that when VIP closes for the Christmas holiday that Sarah might not return. She sounds to be what they have been lacking in girls and hopefully she will decide to stay a little longer. Safe travels when you return back to Virginia.

Anyone visit 49 yesterday or today?

[QUOTE=Purple45;2714508]When I first saw Jim3142 I thought I was on the Roanoke forum and not the Raleigh forum, LOL. Glad you had a good visit at VIP and it appears you played your hand well for being a first time customer there and had an excellent dream. I wonder if she wasn't happy at first when she found out you was a first time customer? Sometimes girls shy away from offering dreams when you're new. I have heard that when VIP closes for the Christmas holiday that Sarah might not return. She sounds to be what they have been lacking in girls and hopefully she will decide to stay a little longer. Safe travels when you return back to Virginia.[/QUOTE]As far as I can tell, you haven't posted on the Roanoke forum. Also, I don't recall a review from you regarding the VIP, which leads me to: How would you know about Sarah possibly not returning? Do all salon owners talk amongst themselves?

[QUOTE=Ronnor;2714732]As far as I can tell, you haven't posted on the Roanoke forum. Also, I don't recall a review from you regarding the VIP, which leads me to: How would you know about Sarah possibly not returning? Do all salon owners talk amongst themselves?[/QUOTE]For a SM with 300+ posts I find it odd that you can't search my posts and read the ones I've posted in Roanoke. You probably didn't even look but I challenge you too and it might surprise you what you will find if you look.

As for VIP I have commented in a post or two and done a review on Rubmaps. Again, take a look since you are curious. Also, I utilize PM's and both share and receive information on the happenings in the area.

"As far as I can tell" and "I don't recall" doesn't hold up once you've done your research.

[QUOTE=Purple45;2714508]When I first saw Jim3142 I thought I was on the Roanoke forum and not the Raleigh forum, LOL. Glad you had a good visit at VIP and it appears you played your hand well for being a first time customer there and had an excellent dream. I wonder if she wasn't happy at first when she found out you was a first time customer? Sometimes girls shy away from offering dreams when you're new. I have heard that when VIP closes for the Christmas holiday that Sarah might not return. She sounds to be what they have been lacking in girls and hopefully she will decide to stay a little longer. Safe travels when you return back to Virginia.[/QUOTE]I wish we had something like this back in VA around Roanoke. I'm curious how many other girls they have there and how they look.

[QUOTE=Jim3142;2715315]I wish we had something like this back in VA around Roanoke. I'm curious how many other girls they have there and how they look.[/QUOTE]Roanoke only has Angel Spa for dreams but they do have one special girl. As for VIP I don't know about the other girl (s). Check my PM for another spa option with a name.

Anyone know of a place I can get some nice ones wrapped around me? I saw a report back in April or May, but can't find it. Pm is fine as always. Thanks for any info.

[QUOTE=Ronnor;2710477]I've been wondering about this for a while. I've not been a fan of the AMPs because of the fact that you apparently have to negotiate at the flip. This would be a real mood killer for me. I like to put my money down, then the rest of the session have a fantasy that they are into me. Is there thrill in trying to get additional services from young (or not so young) ladies for a cheap (or reasonable) price? Nothing about that sounds like a good time. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]TBH I've never gotten more than a HE at an AMP. I'm also of the mind that 40 is way too much to pay for a HJ since 60 will get you a BJ on BP. That said I usually don't mention the size of the tip and just let the worker do her thing. I've found that the ones who say "How much you give me?" Or want to see the money and then say "Not enough" are not much fun unless you give a certain amount that I refuse to for a BJ. The amount of time that many stay and the fact that I go so infrequently make it a bad long term investment.

I used to follow the advice and give 40 but have since gone down to 30 on the rare occasion I go to an AMP. Since the girl at the last one was so wide eyed and appreciative for 30 I think I might try 20 next time. Before anyone calls me cheap, think of the amount of jobs that don't pay anywhere near 20/ hr and let's be honest it's just a HJ so $10 is probably an appropriate tip. Hell if this were Korea, China, Thailand. And you weren't foreign then you wouldn't even tip it would be a part of the service.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;2716571]TBH I've never gotten more than a HE at an AMP. I'm also of the mind that 40 is way too much to pay for a HJ since 60 will get you a BJ on BP. That said I usually don't mention the size of the tip and just let the worker do her thing. I've found that the ones who say "How much you give me?" Or want to see the money and then say "Not enough" are not much fun unless you give a certain amount that I refuse to for a BJ. The amount of time that many stay and the fact that I go so infrequently make it a bad long term investment.

I used to follow the advice and give 40 but have since gone down to 30 on the rare occasion I go to an AMP. Since the girl at the last one was so wide eyed and appreciative for 30 I think I might try 20 next time. Before anyone calls me cheap, think of the amount of jobs that don't pay anywhere near 20/ hr and let's be honest it's just a HJ so $10 is probably an appropriate tip. Hell if this were Korea, China, Thailand. And you weren't foreign then you wouldn't even tip it would be a part of the service.[/QUOTE]The tip debate has been on the board many times Not sure who set the $40 bench mark for the HJ but the girls around here have gotten use to it. For me when a HJ is the only thing on the menu it comes down to this I'm tipping 40% for the massage 40% for the play and 20% for the HJ. To me the play is very important. I agree with you $40 for just a HJ that included a shitty massage and no play will not bring me back to that provider. $20 or $40 an hour whatever the tip is seems like a lot IF she is doing a HJ every hour of the 12 hours she works every day which is unlikely. It's a give and take on both sides she must make the hour pleasant and erotic to get a good tip, and we should tip according to what we are receiving. Paying 60 or 70 entry fee is expensive and the tip better include a good time. I have many visits I'm ashamed of that I thought to my self you just wasted hard earned money on a rub and tug trap which in reality was a newbie provider new to the business. Restaurant or AMP it's all about the product and service, some are better than others in providing and tipping.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;2716571]TBH I've never gotten more than a HE at an AMP. I'm also of the mind that 40 is way too much to pay for a HJ since 60 will get you a BJ on BP. That said I usually don't mention the size of the tip and just let the worker do her thing. I've found that the ones who say "How much you give me?" Or want to see the money and then say "Not enough" are not much fun unless you give a certain amount that I refuse to for a BJ. The amount of time that many stay and the fact that I go so infrequently make it a bad long term investment.

I used to follow the advice and give 40 but have since gone down to 30 on the rare occasion I go to an AMP. Since the girl at the last one was so wide eyed and appreciative for 30 I think I might try 20 next time. Before anyone calls me cheap, think of the amount of jobs that don't pay anywhere near 20/ hr and let's be honest it's just a HJ so $10 is probably an appropriate tip. Hell if this were Korea, China, Thailand. And you weren't foreign then you wouldn't even tip it would be a part of the service.[/QUOTE]The tip debate has been on the board many times Not sure who set the $40 bench mark for the HJ but the girls around here have gotten use to it. For me when a HJ is the only thing on the menu it comes down to this I'm tipping 40% for the massage 40% for the play and 20% for the HJ. To me the play is very important. I agree with you $40 for just a HJ that included a shitty massage and no play will not bring me back to that provider. $20 or $40 an hour whatever the tip is seems like a lot IF she is doing a HJ every hour of the 12 hours she works every day which is unlikely. It's a give and take on both sides she must make the hour pleasant and erotic to get a good tip, and we should tip according to what we are receiving. Paying 60 or 70 entry fee is expensive and the tip better include a good time. I have many visits I'm ashamed of that I thought to my self you just wasted hard earned money on a rub and tug trap which in reality was a newbie provider new to the business. Restaurant or AMP it's all about the product and service, some are better than others in providing and tipping.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;2716571]TBH I've never gotten more than a HE at an AMP. I'm also of the mind that 40 is way too much to pay for a HJ since 60 will get you a BJ on BP. That said I usually don't mention the size of the tip and just let the worker do her thing. I've found that the ones who say "How much you give me?" Or want to see the money and then say "Not enough" are not much fun unless you give a certain amount that I refuse to for a BJ. The amount of time that many stay and the fact that I go so infrequently make it a bad long term investment.

I used to follow the advice and give 40 but have since gone down to 30 on the rare occasion I go to an AMP. Since the girl at the last one was so wide eyed and appreciative for 30 I think I might try 20 next time. Before anyone calls me cheap, think of the amount of jobs that don't pay anywhere near 20/ hr and let's be honest it's just a HJ so $10 is probably an appropriate tip. Hell if this were Korea, China, Thailand. And you weren't foreign then you wouldn't even tip it would be a part of the service.[/QUOTE]The tip debate has been on the board many times Not sure who set the $40 bench mark for the HJ but the girls around here have gotten use to it. For me when a HJ is the only thing on the menu it comes down to this I'm tipping 40% for the massage 40% for the play and 20% for the HJ. To me the play is very important. I agree with you $40 for just a HJ that included a shitty massage and no play will not bring me back to that provider. $20 or $40 an hour whatever the tip is seems like a lot IF she is doing a HJ every hour of the 12 hours she works every day which is unlikely. It's a give and take on both sides she must make the hour pleasant and erotic to get a good tip, and we should tip according to what we are receiving. Paying 60 or 70 entry fee is expensive and the tip better include a good time. I have many visits I'm ashamed of that I thought to my self you just wasted hard earned money on a rub and tug trap which in reality was a newbie provider new to the business. Restaurant or AMP it's all about the product and service, some are better than others in providing and tipping.

[QUOTE=Ronnor;2710477]I've been wondering about this for a while. I've not been a fan of the AMPs because of the fact that you apparently have to negotiate at the flip. This would be a real mood killer for me. I like to put my money down, then the rest of the session have a fantasy that they are into me. Is there thrill in trying to get additional services from young (or not so young) ladies for a cheap (or reasonable) price? Nothing about that sounds like a good time. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;2716571]TBH I've never gotten more than a HE at an AMP. I'm also of the mind that 40 is way too much to pay for a HJ since 60 will get you a BJ on BP. That said I usually don't mention the size of the tip and just let the worker do her thing. I've found that the ones who say "How much you give me?" Or want to see the money and then say "Not enough" are not much fun unless you give a certain amount that I refuse to for a BJ. The amount of time that many stay and the fact that I go so infrequently make it a bad long term investment.

I used to follow the advice and give 40 but have since gone down to 30 on the rare occasion I go to an AMP. Since the girl at the last one was so wide eyed and appreciative for 30 I think I might try 20 next time. Before anyone calls me cheap, think of the amount of jobs that don't pay anywhere near 20/ hr and let's be honest it's just a HJ so $10 is probably an appropriate tip. Hell if this were Korea, China, Thailand. And you weren't foreign then you wouldn't even tip it would be a part of the service.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XHippie;2716630]The tip debate has been on the board many times Not sure who set the $40 bench mark for the HJ but the girls around here have gotten use to it. For me when a HJ is the only thing on the menu it comes down to this I'm tipping 40% for the massage 40% for the play and 20% for the HJ. To me the play is very important. I agree with you $40 for just a HJ that included a shitty massage and no play will not bring me back to that provider. $20 or $40 an hour whatever the tip is seems like a lot IF she is doing a HJ every hour of the 12 hours she works every day which is unlikely. It's a give and take on both sides she must make the hour pleasant and erotic to get a good tip, and we should tip according to what we are receiving. Paying 60 or 70 entry fee is expensive and the tip better include a good time. I have many visits I'm ashamed of that I thought to my self you just wasted hard earned money on a rub and tug trap which in reality was a newbie provider new to the business. Restaurant or AMP it's all about the product and service, some are better than others in providing and tipping.[/QUOTE]Where do you start? So many viewpoints. The girl in an AMP leaves her home country and wants a better living. Tourist visa or work visa and off to the USA she goes with little English skills. Destination San Fransisco or New York where Chinese communities speak just Chinese but everything is expensive and minimum wage doesn't cut it. The girls who choose AMP work were previously trained in China where therapeutic massage is not associated with sex workers in China. The girls are surprised that in American AMPs the lines between massage and sex are blurred because sex work is illegal and if you don't have the proper state certifications then you can't legally do massage. This is a dilemma for many Asian girls who must decide between working in a non-erotic AMP where business is slow or an AMP that offers happy endings to try and earn some money for a descent living. Some choose the FS AMP, if there conscious doesn't bother them, because sex is less work; while giving a quality massage taxes the fingers, wrists and shoulders and is a lot more tiring then FS work.

Now, just like there are different types of girls working in an AMP there are different types of customers who visit them. Customer (A) wants a solid massage from a licensed provider so he goes to Massage Envy or non-erotic AMP where the national average for a massage is $60, no sexual services provided and most tip 10% - 15% so that puts the total at $70 for a one hour therapeutic massage. Customer (B) also wants a solid massage but wants a HJ to relieve sexual tension and he can't get that second option at Massage Envy so he goes to a erotic AMP with nice girls who will do both. The AMP house fee for one hour is $60 - $70 and the tip for massage and HJ is pretty much standard at $40. If the girl allows some OTC or UTC or looses some clothes during the HJ then then the tip amount is expected to be higher. Now, customer (B) is happy with this arrangement because he doesn't want sex at an AMP, SW or escort and doesn't care about the cost analysis when comparing both. Customer (C) is one who doesn't care about the massage and chooses the 30 minute AMP option just for the sexual tease on the backside and the flip to get his HJ sexual release but is one who doesn't pursue girls on BP or CL for sex. Granted every customer (A) or (B) or (C) might start liking a certain girl and then the mental fantasies want to be lived in real life so some Massage Envy girls will meet you outside work for sex and some AMP girls will do BJ, DATY or FS in the store if the right relationship has been developed. Finally customer (D) whose life revolves around his dick and will pursue girls wherever they may be found for the sole purpose of sex. The cheaper the sex the better because he just can't get enough and an AMP doesn't play into their equation because the massage means nothing, the HJ doesn't satisfy and the amount for both is absurd because the delicate, moist, pink flower can't be penetrated.

Conclusion: tip what you want but there are certain expectations from the girl you see at the type of AMP you visit (non-erotic, erotic AMP or FS AMP). Asians are known for their quiet spirit, slender frames, good hygiene and the care they take in making there customer satisfied in all accepts just like a GFE escort. A true GFE will cost way more than a BP escort or FS AMP provider but you will get a GFE experience with some FS AMP providers at a much lower rate.

"A" I go to a massage therapist when my muscles are stiff. "D" I go to a sex therapist when my dick is stiff. "D" Repeat, because my dick stiffens more often than my muscles do. LOL.

[QUOTE=Editit;2716554]Anyone know of a place I can get some nice ones wrapped around me? I saw a report back in April or May, but can't find it. Pm is fine as always. Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]Check your PMs.

[QUOTE=Purple45;2717109]Where do you start? So many viewpoints. The girl in an AMP leaves her home country and wants a better living. Tourist visa or work visa and off to the USA she goes with little English skills. Destination San Fransisco or New York where Chinese communities speak just Chinese but everything is expensive and minimum wage doesn't cut it. The girls who choose AMP work were previously trained in China where therapeutic massage is not associated with sex workers in China. The girls are surprised that in American AMPs the lines between massage and sex are blurred because sex work is illegal and if you don't have the proper state certifications then you can't legally do massage. This is a dilemma for many Asian girls who must decide between working in a non-erotic AMP where business is slow or an AMP that offers happy endings to try and earn some money for a descent living. Some choose the FS AMP, if there conscious doesn't bother them, because sex is less work; while giving a quality massage taxes the fingers, wrists and shoulders and is a lot more tiring then FS work.

Now, just like there are different types of girls working in an AMP there are different types of customers who visit them. Customer (A) wants a solid massage from a licensed provider so he goes to Massage Envy or non-erotic AMP where the national average for a massage is $60, no sexual services provided and most tip 10% - 15% so that puts the total at $70 for a one hour therapeutic massage. Customer (B) also wants a solid massage but wants a HJ to relieve sexual tension and he can't get that second option at Massage Envy so he goes to a erotic AMP with nice girls who will do both. The AMP house fee for one hour is $60 - $70 and the tip for massage and HJ is pretty much standard at $40. If the girl allows some OTC or UTC or looses some clothes during the HJ then then the tip amount is expected to be higher. Now, customer (B) is happy with this arrangement because he doesn't want sex at an AMP, SW or escort and doesn't care about the cost analysis when comparing both. Customer (C) is one who doesn't care about the massage and chooses the 30 minute AMP option just for the sexual tease on the backside and the flip to get his HJ sexual release but is one who doesn't pursue girls on BP or CL for sex. Granted every customer (A) or (B) or (C) might start liking a certain girl and then the mental fantasies want to be lived in real life so some Massage Envy girls will meet you outside work for sex and some AMP girls will do BJ, DATY or FS in the store if the right relationship has been developed. Finally customer (D) whose life revolves around his dick and will pursue girls wherever they may be found for the sole purpose of sex. The cheaper the sex the better because he just can't get enough and an AMP doesn't play into their equation because the massage means nothing, the HJ doesn't satisfy and the amount for both is absurd because the delicate, moist, pink flower can't be penetrated.

Conclusion: tip what you want but there are certain expectations from the girl you see at the type of AMP you visit (non-erotic, erotic AMP or FS AMP). Asians are known for their quiet spirit, slender frames, good hygiene and the care they take in making there customer satisfied in all accepts just like a GFE escort. A true GFE will cost way more than a BP escort or FS AMP provider but you will get a GFE experience with some FS AMP providers at a much lower rate.[/QUOTE]Yeh what he said!

I'll add this it took me a little while to find it out but having a chance to get to know a few girls I was able to get in their heads about how they really feel about us Americans or Latinos or whoever. First of all I'm not betraying them this is not a top secret and this does not apply to the slutty ones that can suck the chrome off a bumper and snap your disc in your back receiving it doggie style, these girls are what my grandpa called jack legs they can do it all. This is for the majority of the girls that we see. They truly want to give a good massage for our health, they consider this a real job not anything to do with sex they do not consider a HJ a sexual act for them altough the receiver thinks of it as sexual. They consider it part of the massage and all the touching that we do to them is not that sexual for them. Anybody's dick soft yet? LOL. It's ok guys we still enjoy ourselves but it's not that enjoyable sexually for them we are just another customer with a hard dick, it's like them preparing a sandwich for lunch that we have just ordered. Hey baby you want medium hard bla bla bla wham bam have a nice day NEXT!! And this crew of girls that we see, 95% of the time will not give FS or a BJ because of their culture no shit it's true this is their words not mine. BJ & FS are strictly reserved for their husband at home or husband to be. That only leaves a small percentage that will do the wild shit. This is the culture and the way the majority of these girls operate so when you are asking for the BJ or FS and she says the boss says no Ill get in trouble it's a little more deeper than that. Granted if you have developed a bond with a certain provider YOU may get something but not the whole posse because these girls do adhere to their culture and these percentages change depending on what city we are talking about or whether it is Chinese, American or Korean. But for arguments sake let's stick with AMP in RTP. I'm sure we all know the BJ & FS givers around here are a minority and yes there are a few. Oh I forgot back to the topic of Tips, this is what causes the confusion to ask what the hell is the tip in this place to get some action in fact what action does this place offer?

AMP or BP girls each has their challenges and risk choose your pleasure. P45 I'm pretty sure I have gone through all 4 stages A, B, C, D and so far I'm disease & therapy free (for now) I just hope I still have a 401 k when my junk won't function anymore.