Came in from out of town; went by NT Friday afternoon. I could only get a half hour with Lei-Lei(sp?); enjoyed a nice massage (which I could have had the whole hour), with topless HE for .5.
Thanks for the help and enjoy
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Came in from out of town; went by NT Friday afternoon. I could only get a half hour with Lei-Lei(sp?); enjoyed a nice massage (which I could have had the whole hour), with topless HE for .5.
Thanks for the help and enjoy
[QUOTE=Mr Orlando]A while back i visited Cindy at A Tender Touch on Hwy 50 in Orlando. She was hot and had a full menu. She has been MIA for a while. Has anyone seen her lately?
Also Alexis seems to have dropped off the map.[/QUOTE]I visited her several times some months back as well and concur. Cindy was hot and knew how to work it. I would love to find out where she has moved on to, if anyone has seen her. While her massage was good, she was almost too good looking to be working in a massage parlor.
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[QUOTE=Chilidog2]Anyone know where YoKo went to?
She was working in an AMP on 434.[/QUOTE]I saw a Yoko at TSM last week. She was young, small chin, excellent skills. Might that be her?
[QUOTE=Zemane]Had a dream about NT. Met with Tracy, face 8, bottom 6, hack 11!!!!!!!!!! She had only HHr before her next appt and appeared to be more concerned about it than anything else. Left the room about 3 times with different excuses and came back half way into it saying we had only 15 min left so time for the flip. Gestured BJ + topless for .6 and we closed at .5, but delivered HJ + topless. Could be bait and switch or I could have misunderstood, not sure. Wasn't by far my best time in an AMP. If I felt a bit more confident with rubs from CL providers I'd never go back to an AMP.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ckbnc]Came in from out of town; went by NT Friday afternoon. I could only get a half hour with Lei-Lei(sp?); enjoyed a nice massage (which I could have had the whole hour), with topless HE for .5.[/QUOTE]Sometimes you might hit them at the wrong time when they're busy. But if you RTFF then you should've made an appt. 1st. It's always a chance as a walk-in that you may be a little rushed or not even get in(door locked and the answering machine). I've never experienced anything that extreme with the 1/2 hour session like you've posted from neither Tracy or Lilly. BTW you've got Tracy's profile and menu all screwed up.
Constipated? Because it sounds like your full of shit!
PP
[QUOTE=Pinkporky]Sometimes you might hit them at the wrong time when they're busy. But if you RTFF then you should've made an appt. 1st. It's always a chance as a walk-in that you may be a little rushed or not even get in(door locked and the answering machine). I've never experienced anything that extreme with the 1/2 hour session like you've posted from neither Tracy or Lilly. BTW you've got Tracy's profile and menu all screwed up.
Constipated? Because it sounds like your full of shit!
PP[/QUOTE]
Interesting comments from a Forum newbee with two posts. First post is ranting and raving about how GREAT Tracy is. Second post all defensive about someone's review of a Tracy experience. I've never had the pleasure, but I'm thinking Pinkporky is a rookie in love or Tracy's agent. LOL
Hang around the Forum, read, learn and grow.
Looks like I've become mae's client. I'm given her every time now. That was great until recently. She's starting to fall into that rut that so many do. Rushed, not that great a massage, checked the clock. I can't say I've been pleased let alone impressed the last few times. The last few times I went the oil she used was cold, the rocks barely warm, her technique was poor, the clothes she wore look like they hadn't been washed in a month.
To her credit I can't say I would enjoy that job after a while. It has to get old.
Had a great time at Assa Day Spa (formerly Shin Inn) yesterday.
Called to make an appointment just 15 minutes in advance, drove over and parked in the ample, inconspicuous parking lot shared by other places in the strip mall. Buzzed in, confirmed I had an appointment and headed into their surprisingly nice and clean facility, escorted by my MPA, Jenny.
Was left in the massage room to "get comfortable" and got undressed. Waited a couple minutes, paid the $50 door fee upon Jenny's return and requested a table shower. She made sure the hallway was clear, then offered me a towel to wrap myself in and led me out.
The shower rooms here are really nice. They're private, with frosted glass doors that let in a good amount of light and keep things open, but without compromising privacy. I started on my stomach and received a nice sudsing up with some attention to the crack, then flipped. On the flip, Jenny ran her hands down to the spot that counts and asked if she could keep washing. I said yes, and stood at attention during the lengthy soaping. Hey, got to make sure it's perfectly clean, right? By the time I got up I was squeaky clean from "head" to toe. Really great TS experience.
Returned to the massage room after being rinsed down, then had a kind of lame massage. Ended with a bit of a tease, and Jenny then whispered in my ear that "time was almost up". I asked if that meant that I should flip, and she replied "whatever you like. " A minute later I was all oiled up and ready to go!
Very nice skills were demonstrated, not amazing, but still quite good. Roaming was allowed after polite inquiry, on and under anything I liked up top. Jenny's got a really nice rack and I was surprised to get as far as I did given the area. Didn't try for more, but left very, very happy.
All in all, . 7 later I was a pretty happy camper. DF was. 5 for the half, . 2 tip. A little pricier than some areas for the DF, but in no way bad value. I'd definitely make another visit next time I'm in town.
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[QUOTE=Pinkporky]Sometimes you might hit them at the wrong time when they're busy. But if you RTFF then you should've made an appt. 1st. It's always a chance as a walk-in that you may be a little rushed or not even get in(door locked and the answering machine). I've never experienced anything that extreme with the 1/2 hour session like you've posted from neither Tracy or Lilly. BTW you've got Tracy's profile and menu all screwed up.
Constipated? Because it sounds like your full of shit!
PP[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what part of his post you think is full of shit, but from my own personal experience with Tracy, I can confirm 2 things (both previously posted here if you want to look back or "RTFF" as you put it.)
1) I have made an appointment with Tracy 45 minutes before and arrived to find the locked door and nobody answering the phone. (posted 2/4/08)
2) During my first appointment with Tracy, she left the room 3 or 4 times in the middle of the massage to do who-knows-what. (I can't remember the date of the post, but it was a few months ago.)
For the record, I've seen Tracy 3 times and Lilly twice. I would still repeat with Lilly. Tracy, probably not.
[QUOTE=Pinkporky]Sometimes you might hit them at the wrong time when they're busy. But if you RTFF then you should've made an appt. 1st. It's always a chance as a walk-in that you may be a little rushed or not even get in(door locked and the answering machine). I've never experienced anything that extreme with the 1/2 hour session like you've posted from neither Tracy or Lilly. BTW you've got Tracy's profile and menu all screwed up.
Constipated? Because it sounds like your full of shit!
PP[/QUOTE]If you didn't like what you've read, I'm NOT sorry. That was my experience.
I'm sure that if she's a good provider my post will become just one bad experience among good ones.
But if your her boyfriend, you might want to find out what HE means, LOL
[QUOTE=Moonlightbiker]Looks like I've become mae's client. I'm given her every time now. That was great until recently. She's starting to fall into that rut that so many do. Rushed, not that great a massage, checked the clock. I can't say I've been pleased let alone impressed the last few times. The last few times I went the oil she used was cold, the rocks barely warm, her technique was poor, the clothes she wore look like they hadn't been washed in a month.
To her credit I can't say I would enjoy that job after a while. It has to get old.[/QUOTE]Wow I went last Friday and had the complete opposite. I was able to touch everywhere on her when I did the flip and got a HE. Massage was FANTASTIC!
[QUOTE=Orange Knight]Hi,
I am new to this board and have a question. Can anyone recommend MP with black masseuses?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Does anyone have any recommendations?
Ok 1st off I've been to basically every AMP between SOBT to Longwood at least once. I'll just give you all the info I know. Only had the menu opened 2-3 places. Here are my hits and misses. If somebody wants to point me somewhere or give me suggestions hit me up p. M.
Spa Serenity. Went there this week for the 1st time had been avioding it as I figured it was legit. Went on my lunch asked for the 30 min + table shower. Mamasan said I have to get an hour for that. I say but I'm on my lunch break she doesnt budge. I give in for the hr. Shower was good but shes indecisive bout the cover or not cover, starts without then puts it on. Only drawback of a great shower.
Massage was excellent, she was all over and between my thighs brushed up against the boys. I assumed it was a test, I gave obvious signs that its all good. She was as close as possible to it without actually touching it wtf? No HE. I WAS SURE IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE WAY SHE HAD BEEN MASSAGING. Maybe she was being careful since I was new.
ASAHI. Frequented this place numerous times before but Recently went there looking for some 1st time Candy after reading reports here. Made the mistake of requesting her by name. Mama which wasnt the same one that had usually been there like a month ago said she no work here I give you new girl. I played it off and was like MAMA. Is she good like Candy? She say she good she good. In comes a big fake boobed perfect english speaking Asian lady, she talks way too much btw. Tells me her life story shes an ex stripper from seattle. She basically tells me Candy says she doesnt remember you and she would remember you. Apparently the girls see us walk in from the back room on camera. I'm not an average joe that could be easily mistaken for someone else. They must have got the LEO vibe and got spooked.
No scrubbing my boys in the shower. No he. Since she talked so much trying to feel me out THE ENTIRE TIME basically NO MASSAGE. They did manage to get me to change a burnt out lightbulb in the shower room though.
Long story short boys, if you have a look that is easily recognizable. Don't try to pull one over on the girls just be straight up. Was my first time ever not getting at least a HE there. Last vist had Julie or whatever and she did the whole simulated BJ trick and a little prostate exam. I almost didn't realise it was simulated until I really looked. Damn she was good. NO negotiation on the simulated BJ btw she just went for it. Still my fav place even though I got jipped this once.
NT- After my Ashai experience I asked for an 1st time appointment with everyones favorite flower girl. Got switched and ended up with Tracy. Good experience as she was into it and started sucking on my nipple ring, then didn't even bother with hand signs and told me 1. For NCBJ. I took it as this would have been only my second ever actual real BJ in an orlando AMP. She climbed the table next to me and parked her nether region directly in my face, I figured she must have wanted me to DATY which threw me because I had read the previous reports here that thats a no go. So I go for it and ROADBLOCK LMAO. She does grab my hand and places it there instead. No saran wrap. She had the proctection. Will go back to see her again. Damn the Nips were huge.
LOTUS- 1st time visit, got a skinny older looking asian lady, lackluster HE finish...havent been back since.
NT- NCBJ
asahi - HE, NHE, (Sim)BBBJ, P.Exam, Touching under/over.
assa - HE,P.EXAM,touching over
AAA- HE,P.EXAM Back in the day..now = 100 legit
Lotus- HE, Touch over
Avalon- Nada
Ginza- went once, swing na miss.
Big City in Japan - HE
Longwood Spa- once. Nada. not sure which LS this is.
Massage in Longwood...Says massage - Once. Nada. Was christmas eve and only the owner? white lady gave me a massage and ts. legit one.
7spa- HE, Touching over
MY S TOUCH - HE..I think.
MY Thai - Once. Nada. Was my first ever trip to a AMP
Bumby - Once. Nada. damn americans.
Far Orient - Nada. Went once.
RS - HE, Touch under
Massage in maitland (by the 500 go cars) - Once. Nada.
Angel Spa - Once. HE
Closed place way down 50 - Once. CBJ (SARAN WRAP)
NEVER BEEN TO:
-East West
-SHANGHI
-The massage place on west colonial across from the checkers near hiawassi.
-or TO the one that is being advertised in CL.
[QUOTE=Moonlightbiker]Looks like I've become mae's client. I'm given her every time now. That was great until recently. She's starting to fall into that rut that so many do. Rushed, not that great a massage, checked the clock. I can't say I've been pleased let alone impressed the last few times. The last few times I went the oil she used was cold, the rocks barely warm, her technique was poor, the clothes she wore look like they hadn't been washed in a month.
To her credit I can't say I would enjoy that job after a while. It has to get old.[/QUOTE]
I think Mae is trying to tell you something. I have never been rushed, in fact she usually goes over. I think she has reached a point where she can be a little more selective about what clients to see. They don't outright refuse anyone, but ....
Had another session with Mae, as I needed some attention to my back too. I have chronic back pain and Mae delivers a stellar massage. For me, she delivers a hard massage and gets my back to pop in all the right places. She also gets my front to pop. She is a sweety and the best I have had when it comes to massages. The HE is always good and a perfect way to wrap up.
I am looking at trying East-West next time. Any basic descriptions of the girls?
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]I think Mae is trying to tell you something. I have never been rushed, in fact she usually goes over. I think she has reached a point where she can be a little more selective about what clients to see. They don't outright refuse anyone, but ....[/QUOTE]
LOL, what a burn. I was going once a week and she's always been very friendly so I doubt that's the case...but you never know. I do have a lot of muscle on me and that is probably a lot more difficult to work. Personally I think the quality of the entire place is slipping and Mae is just part of it.
I also don't see them trying to get rid of customers. They aren't exactly booming. Nine out of ten times that I go the place is empty and that's anywhere from 8pm - 10pm when they should be busy. Any later and you get the drunks who are way too loud and walk into the wrong room during your massage.
The other problem I have with the place is that constant BOOM BOOM BOOM coming from the sound studio next door. It's difficult to really relax when someone is playing drums next to your head.
I think I'm just going to find a quality gal to come out to the house from now on. How difficult could that be?
Everyone has a bad day once in awhile, and some people just plain lose interest in their work. So, as a frequent customer of Mae's, I went to see for myself if she had indeed slipped. Not one bit.
She was very happy to see me, and delivered on par with my previous sessions with her. Gotta say, she is still one of the best I've ever experienced in 35 years. I've always done my part and tipped her well, 40-50. If we want the top service, we have to do our part too. If a girl knows she is getting a small tip from previous experience with a customer, I can't say that I blame her for not delivering A+ service. Mae still rocks!
For those who visit Tampa, Tina @ Oxygen Spa on Kennedy is still on par with Mae. In fact, I'm out the door now to pay Tina a visit.
I have nothing invested in Mae. I am just a customer. However, I have a lot of respect for anyone who is a professional in whatever they do. Mae is a true professional. How many times have you been to a licensed massage therapist and asked for a certain type of massage or for them to concentrate on certain areas (not that area) and have been ignored?
Candidly, I do not go to see Mae for extras. If I routinely tip a LMT $20 for a so-so massage, why isn't Mae worth more when she provides a massage that is so much better. I would never think of giving Mae less than a $40 tip.
Moonlightbiker -- I was just having a little fun. I am sure you are a good guy and tip Mae well.
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]I think Mae is trying to tell you something. I have never been rushed, in fact she usually goes over. I think she has reached a point where she can be a little more selective about what clients to see. They don't outright refuse anyone, but ....[/QUOTE]
I don't think she was hinting at anything. You have to realize that Mae and others work from open to close 7 days a week. If she has been busy all day long she might be tired and sore. In my past experience going during the slow times of the day or slower days you get better service. I have been someones last massage of the day before and the massage was a rubdown (no table shower offered) and he.
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]
Candidly, I do not go to see Mae for extras. If I routinely tip a LMT $20 for a so-so massage, why isn't Mae worth more when she provides a massage that is so much better. I would never think of giving Mae less than a $40 tip.
[/QUOTE]
Part of me really hesitates to bring this up again, but I feel compelled. You realize that's a 50% tip? Do you tip that much for lunch every day? Hell, $20 is 25% and THAT is generous.
I agree that Mae does a good job, but she doesn't do a 50% tip job. At least, that's my perspective on it.
I agree. I go to ginza quite a lot and always tip twenty dollars. I always feel good about it and the girls never seem to be disappointed. Twenty five percent is a very acceptable tip.
I suppose $20 is a sufficent tip for the massage assuming it costs around $100. But what if other items are on the menu, do you tip more? If I go to one of the resorts that have a spa service and get a massage, I generally tip about 25% and feel good about it. But as you know there is no menu at the Ritz Carlton. So do you tip for the massage and than add more for any menu items?
I do not want to beat this horse. Guys should tip whatever they feel appropriate. When I go to a LMT, I usually tip $20. I do not consider giving a massage an easy job, it is a service that I value, helps me to enjoy life more fully and it is not something I do more than twice a week.
However, when I get a massage that is headAnot and shoulders above others (again I am only talking about a legit massage), is not rushed and from someone who listens to exactly where I might have a tight muscle, I feel good about rewarding that person. After I have seen Mae I feel 200% better. She makes a difference in my life. I appreciate her. One way to let her know is with $. Another way is to post on boards like this one in hopes that she will get more customers. Unlike at other massage places, she has never asked me for a tip and never makes money an issue.
To be honest, that's part of the job. They should listen and attend to the tight muscles or issues you mention. As for rewarding something, that's part of why you give a tip. So is repeat business. Same with some kind words.
Your tip is your business. In my [b]opinion[/b], it's overly excessive and leads to a bad place when they expect such a reward. Leaving a $20 tip is NOT cheap. As I pointed out, that's 25% of the $80 fee.
OK, I'll stop now. We agree that the horse is dead. Sometimes I just still have to kick it.
So what would you tip for HE? F/S? BBBJ?
I tend to go $20 for normal good massage with HE. $50 with BBBJ. $ for F/S. And yes, it's very available. Like everyone says, it's more on your attitude than anything else. Treat them right so that they WANT it.
Actually I agree with all that has been said here. Twenty is a great tip for an 80$ massage. If I get a perfunctory TS, average massage, and no extras...that is what I leave. On the other hand....if the TS and massage are exceptional, and other areas are playfully and happily attended to...along with a great attitude...then I leave more...maybe 40 or even 50. Soooo...it's all up to the girl with me...she can do her average job and get a minimal tip OR she can make me very happy and be generously rewarded.
Many AMP girls have gotten their $20 from me but Mae at Ginza has always been a 40-50 tip for me. Incredible attitude, massage, shower, and recently she has learned (or started using) a little prostate action. Would tip her even more if I could ever get my hands INSIDE those clothes!
My only complaint with Ginza is that they have gotten too busy. The past two times I have flown into town I have called ahead (at least 45 minutes)...told Lilly I was in town and would like an appointment, but when I got there at the appointed time had to wait! One time a 20 minute wait...last time almost 45 minutes. Hope they don't become like a doctor's office visit where appointments mean nothing!
To everyone their own!
I don't believe in tipping more than 20 either.
The way I look at it I am already paying ~80 for the hour.
That X 40 hrs a week X 52 weeks a year = $166,400 a year.
Add the 20 dollar tip and it is over 200K a year.
That is a fact. Anything after that is a tradeoff. Meaning:
"But she doesn't work 40 hours/have 40 appointments a year!"
That's true, but to a certain degree a choice. Not only in choosing a career that doesn't involve 40 hours of work, like mine and yours.
"But the girl doesn't get to keep all of that money!"
You are correct, but they definitely get more than just the tip. I don't know the numbers, I've never worked there or asked, but I'd imagine if they didn't get a decent cut they'd just go into business for themselves doing outcalls until they had a studio.
Besides, if they only worked off tips ALONE, at 20 a pop using the same formula from on top, they'd make just over $41,000 a year minus whatever hours from the 40-hour work week they chose to not work.
Does anyone know if Mae was at the AMP next to Lil 500 race track about 2 years ago. I was a regular with her, but went in one day - they told me she was gone - and after the 2nd post Mae visit was a disaster - never went back.
If she is the same person - I can vouch she gives a great - genuine message - is very pleasant to talk to and being that she was my first experience at an AMP and I knew I didn't want a "happy ending" - was very good and made me feel very comfortable. I went to her about weekly for about 3 months.
I loved seeing her - and the back "Tickle" she gave with light touching after the message was so fantastic.
[QUOTE=Jordang]I don't believe in tipping more than 20 either.
The way I look at it I am already paying ~80 for the hour.
That X 40 hrs a week X 52 weeks a year = $166,400 a year.
Add the 20 dollar tip and it is over 200K a year.[/QUOTE]Well, there has been PLENTY posted about tipping in this forum (and many others). I just want to point out a few problems with your posting.
1) The girls do not get all of the money for the hour. I don't know the inside story of these things, but I would be surprised if the girls get 50% of the fee--probably more like 25%.
2) The girls do not work 40 hours a week. The work a LOT more. And the work is not easy.
3) Everyone should take the tip advice that's been in this forum, and tip whatever they feel is appropriate for the service. Tipping should NOT be according to what you think they make, whether you think they make $200k+ or $100k-. Meaning do not simply undertip or overtip on principle.
[QUOTE=Fellow Guy] Everyone should take the tip advice that's been in this forum, and tip whatever they feel is appropriate for the service. Tipping should NOT be according to what you think they make, whether you think they make $200k+ or $100k-. Meaning do not simply undertip or overtip on principle.[/QUOTE]
It's also worth pointing out that over tipping does nothing but drive up prices. I've seen it happen over and over again. Guys want to be a big shot and the rest of us end up paying for it. This market is like all others. If people show they can afford a higher rate then they are going to be charged a higher rate for that service.
I do agree that you don't tip based on what you think the person is paid, however you do tip on a percentage of the rate. Do you believe your waitress at Denny's gets 50% of the bill you pay? No. What about the guy at Best Buy who sold you your TV? Nope. The split the masseuse receives is not your concern either. 25% is a very generous tip for a massage with a simple HE.
[QUOTE=Moonlightbiker]It's also worth pointing out that over tipping does nothing but drive up prices. I've seen it happen over and over again. Guys want to be a big shot and the rest of us end up paying for it. This market is like all others. If people show they can afford a higher rate then they are going to be charged a higher rate for that service.
I do agree that you don't tip based on what you think the person is paid, however you do tip on a percentage of the rate. Do you believe your waitress at Denny's gets 50% of the bill you pay? No. What about the guy at Best Buy who sold you your TV? Nope. The split the masseuse receives is not your concern either. 25% is a very generous tip for a massage with a simple HE.[/QUOTE]
Agree that each should tip what they want and can afford - and 20-25% seems reasonable. But for all of you calculating what they make and comparing it to a job at Dennys or Best Buy - take a test - just try to give your significant other a 50 minute massage - similar to the one you like (you can skip the HE - believe me you won't be in the mood) - IT'S frigging HARD WORK! This is manual labor at it's hardest - no breaks during the session and they normally go straight into another session. Again - not saying you should tip more - but you've got to respect the effort that's put into a 50-80 minute massage - I certainly couldn't do it.
[QUOTE=Jordang]I don't believe in tipping more than 20 either.
The way I look at it I am already paying ~80 for the hour.
That X 40 hrs a week X 52 weeks a year = $166,400 a year.
Add the 20 dollar tip and it is over 200K a year.
That is a fact. Anything after that is a tradeoff. Meaning:
"But she doesn't work 40 hours/have 40 appointments a year!"
That's true, but to a certain degree a choice. Not only in choosing a career that doesn't involve 40 hours of work, like mine and yours.
"But the girl doesn't get to keep all of that money!"
You are correct, but they definitely get more than just the tip. I don't know the numbers, I've never worked there or asked, but I'd imagine if they didn't get a decent cut they'd just go into business for themselves doing outcalls until they had a studio.
Besides, if they only worked off tips ALONE, at 20 a pop using the same formula from on top, they'd make just over $41,000 a year minus whatever hours from the 40-hour work week they chose to not work.[/QUOTE]
Just thinking of the tip portion. WOW. That has made me rethink things on tipping. I might change jobs. LOL.
The $80.00 goes directly to the owner of the AMP. The working girls get none of it. The only thing the girls work for are the tips.
Also, your math is quite faulty in calculating a 40 hour week. Hang around the AMPs as an insider for awhile and you will soon learn that the girls may have one or two customers in a day. Some days are better than others so they may more customers but there are often more slow times than fast times. It's even worse now than it's ever been because of what appears to be a nationwide crackdown.
You also forgot to factor in that if there is more than one working girl, and most AMPs have more than one, then only one girl is working at a time. And the girls are fair with each other. They rotate unless specifically asked for by a customer. However, there are some owners who will not let customers specifically ask for a provider. So, if there are 3 girls and one customer, one girl is earning whatever the customer pays her while the others sit in the kitchen or working girls' room and earn nothing. They just watch Korean videos.
In saying they get more than just the tip, you are completely wrong. Not only do they not get more than the tip, they get less than the tip at the end of the week. They get absolutely nothing from the house fee. That goes 100% to the owner, who then pays bills from that money and keeps as much for herself as she can. On top of that, every week the girls must fork over a set amount of money to the owner for food and so-called board. My current relationship with an owner revealed that she charges every girl $350 for food and board each week. It's outrageous, but it's the custom of the business. Additionally if they have a manager/kitchen mama/custodian, the girls must also fork out a set amount of money each week for that person. In the same AMP I just mentioned, the girls must pay $100 each week for the kitchen mama, who cleans the place and does laundry as well as cook. So, each girl in this place must give to the owner a total of $450 each week.
Assuming a working girl is paid $20 by each customer, and she has 10 customers a day, which is a stretch, she is making $200 a day or $1,400 a week. Assuming that some AMPs charge less than the one I'm familiar with right now, and I know many are, let's assume they are only charged $200 for food and board and only contribute $50 to the kitchen mama. Now she's down to $1,150.
Now she's only making $59,800 a year. That's still a good figure, but that's also assuming that this woman is taking care of 10 customers every single day, 7 days a week. That just is not the case. And therein lies the fatal flaw of your calculations. You are basing it on a 40 hour week rather than on a per person seen basis.
Now, having said that, you are still way off because very few make such little money. Why? Because many of us who have been doing this for some time understand the system. We aren't there for a $20 street crack ***** experience. The great majority of us are seeking either a GFE experience for one hour or at least FS for one hour whether we feel like its GFE or not.
We are able to go to a reputed rub and tug and enjoy FS. Somtimes it takes more than one visit but it can be done. In the past 3 years I have enjoyed FS in every AMP I've been in from Florida to Pennsylvania.
Why? I follow several rules
1. I always show respect, even if denied FS the first time
2. I never treat the woman like she is beneath me even if she is asking for more money
3. I never take more than I'm willing to spend inside with me
4 If I decline to pay for what I'm hoping for, I pay what I know to be the generally expected (by them) price for what they are willing to do.
5. I do not get angry or talk down to the girl if I decline to pay the amount she is asking, I just tell them I will accept the lesser service of what is on the menu
6. I accept that the generally expected amounts for services are HJ .2 to .4, BJ .4 to .6, and FS $ to $.2. You may find it a little cheaper from time to time when you hit a new girl but she wises up quick.
None of us has to pay these amounts, but you will pretty much get what you pay for and not get what you don't pay for. These girls travel between AMPs and many know each other from around the country. They share information about the business and they therefore know what is expected for each level of service.
So, if you have been trying to get FS for .2 it's a pretty sure bet you aren't getting it unless you have been able to generate a relationship of sorts with that person. But you will still be spending .6 or.8 to get in the door. And not one penny of that will go to the girl you spend your hour with.
Many of the girls do in fact earn above $100,000 a year, but sure as hell not based on your calculations. It's based on the level of service they provide and the tip they get for that service from customers. That's why some can sit in a place of business day after day, 7 days a week for 12 or more hours every day and maybe only see one customer today. Tomorrow they may see 5 customers. The busy days balance out the slow days. But if they were all waiting for $20 tips, the owners would have to close all of them up becuase none of the girls would work in them.
[QUOTE=Jordang]I don't believe in tipping more than 20 either.
The way I look at it I am already paying ~80 for the hour.
That X 40 hrs a week X 52 weeks a year = $166,400 a year.
Add the 20 dollar tip and it is over 200K a year.
That is a fact. Anything after that is a tradeoff. Meaning:
"But she doesn't work 40 hours/have 40 appointments a year!"
That's true, but to a certain degree a choice. Not only in choosing a career that doesn't involve 40 hours of work, like mine and yours.
"But the girl doesn't get to keep all of that money!"
You are correct, but they definitely get more than just the tip. I don't know the numbers, I've never worked there or asked, but I'd imagine if they didn't get a decent cut they'd just go into business for themselves doing outcalls until they had a studio.
Besides, if they only worked off tips ALONE, at 20 a pop using the same formula from on top, they'd make just over $41,000 a year minus whatever hours from the 40-hour work week they chose to not work.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Irish Male2]The $80.00 goes directly to the owner of the AMP. The working girls get none of it. The only thing the girls work for are the tips.
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But if they were all waiting for $20 tips, the owners would have to close all of them up becuase none of the girls would work in them.[/QUOTE]
First, I'm not sure that I really buy your statement that ALL of it goes directly to the owner of the AMP. Lots of claims on the Internet, and this is one that rings my BS meter quite loudly.
Second, I really don't care what percentage of the house fee goes to the girl. I don't feel compelled to overcompensate for someone else's business practice. Perhaps you're a pushover as a consumer. Great. Go give all your money away to help the needy. I definitely dig charitable contributions.
Personally, I visit as a customer for a service, not the Red Cross. My 25% tip for a massage and HE is appropriate and quite generous.
All this over an extra $20?
Can't we just move on.
This is my opinion on tipping, many may or may not agree with my thinking but it makes no difference to me either way. I have been doing this for over 15 years and no one has to tell me how to spend or what to do with my money and I don’t expect to tell anyone how or what to do with theirs. That being said here is my take:
WOW!! It’s amazing and somewhat appalling to see how many cheap guys are out there complaining about tips. First thing you have to remember is that tipping is optional and not an obligation but when given it is usually in the 15% to 20% range. Tipping is also part of our every day life, we give tips in restaurants, the doorman, cab drivers, bellboys, bartenders, barber shops and so many others who provide us with services.
We tip because we are appreciative of a service we have received. No one has to dictate to me what I should or shouldn’t leave for a tip when I visit a spa. What I decide to leave as a tip is nobody’s business because what I am going to leave is based on the quality of the massage (HE or no HE) I received. When I go to a SPA I am very demanding of what I want, I usually pay for 90 min, 70 min for massage and 20 min for any extras, I like my massages strong and therapeutic so the therapist has to work her ass off on me to make me feel great. I go to a SPA when I am feeling lousy (that’s about once every two weeks) and when I come out I feel rejuvenated and am walking on cloud nine and if I decide to tip my therapist $40, $50, $80 or what ever amount I want it is no one’s business,
I will tip based on how appreciative I am of the service my therapist provided regardless of weather she gave me a HE or not. I have traveled the world and visit spas on a regular base and have received great massages and have left very generous tips because I felt the therapist was worthy of it and in others I have gotten lousy massages and walk out without leaving anything because I felt they did not deserve a tip. I think the problem for many is that if they don’t get a HE or a tug then they feel the therapist does not deserves a tip, we are associating the tips we give only to the extras we may or may not receive.
Extras are what the word implies and if received price should be negotiated in advance and has nothing to do with the tip for the service received. Now if you are so lucky that extras are provided without first being pre-negotiated like it has happened to me on numerous occasions my advice to you is to be generous and fair in your tipping if you want that generosity to continue.
Be Safe!!
Don't agree with AMP info, not all AMPS work in tha fashion, not all of them take all the money. I have many friends who own spas and the girls do get a commission from the door fee but the bulk of their income are from the tips they receive.
However I agree 100% with the rules stated. I have personally followed the same rules for many years now and they have yielded and are still yielding many happy returns on all my spa visits around the world regardless of weather its a first or repeat visit.
Respect and generosity will take you a long way
Great info!!
[QUOTE=Irish Male2]The $80.00 goes directly to the owner of the AMP. The working girls get none of it. The only thing the girls work for are the tips.
Also, your math is quite faulty in calculating a 40 hour week. Hang around the AMPs as an insider for awhile and you will soon learn that the girls may have one or two customers in a day. Some days are better than others so they may more customers but there are often more slow times than fast times. It's even worse now than it's ever been because of what appears to be a nationwide crackdown.
You also forgot to factor in that if there is more than one working girl, and most AMPs have more than one, then only one girl is working at a time. And the girls are fair with each other. They rotate unless specifically asked for by a customer. However, there are some owners who will not let customers specifically ask for a provider. So, if there are 3 girls and one customer, one girl is earning whatever the customer pays her while the others sit in the kitchen or working girls' room and earn nothing. They just watch Korean videos.
In saying they get more than just the tip, you are completely wrong. Not only do they not get more than the tip, they get less than the tip at the end of the week. They get absolutely nothing from the house fee. That goes 100% to the owner, who then pays bills from that money and keeps as much for herself as she can. On top of that, every week the girls must fork over a set amount of money to the owner for food and so-called board. My current relationship with an owner revealed that she charges every girl $350 for food and board each week. It's outrageous, but it's the custom of the business. Additionally if they have a manager/kitchen mama/custodian, the girls must also fork out a set amount of money each week for that person. In the same AMP I just mentioned, the girls must pay $100 each week for the kitchen mama, who cleans the place and does laundry as well as cook. So, each girl in this place must give to the owner a total of $450 each week.
Assuming a working girl is paid $20 by each customer, and she has 10 customers a day, which is a stretch, she is making $200 a day or $1,400 a week. Assuming that some AMPs charge less than the one I'm familiar with right now, and I know many are, let's assume they are only charged $200 for food and board and only contribute $50 to the kitchen mama. Now she's down to $1,150.
Now she's only making $59,800 a year. That's still a good figure, but that's also assuming that this woman is taking care of 10 customers every single day, 7 days a week. That just is not the case. And therein lies the fatal flaw of your calculations. You are basing it on a 40 hour week rather than on a per person seen basis.
Now, having said that, you are still way off because very few make such little money. Why? Because many of us who have been doing this for some time understand the system. We aren't there for a $20 street crack ***** experience. The great majority of us are seeking either a GFE experience for one hour or at least FS for one hour whether we feel like its GFE or not.
We are able to go to a reputed rub and tug and enjoy FS. Somtimes it takes more than one visit but it can be done. In the past 3 years I have enjoyed FS in every AMP I've been in from Florida to Pennsylvania.
Why? I follow several rules
1. I always show respect, even if denied FS the first time
2. I never treat the woman like she is beneath me even if she is asking for more money
3. I never take more than I'm willing to spend inside with me
4 If I decline to pay for what I'm hoping for, I pay what I know to be the generally expected (by them) price for what they are willing to do.
5. I do not get angry or talk down to the girl if I decline to pay the amount she is asking, I just tell them I will accept the lesser service of what is on the menu
6. I accept that the generally expected amounts for services are HJ .2 to .4, BJ .4 to .6, and FS $ to $.2. You may find it a little cheaper from time to time when you hit a new girl but she wises up quick.
None of us has to pay these amounts, but you will pretty much get what you pay for and not get what you don't pay for. These girls travel between AMPs and many know each other from around the country. They share information about the business and they therefore know what is expected for each level of service.
So, if you have been trying to get FS for .2 it's a pretty sure bet you aren't getting it unless you have been able to generate a relationship of sorts with that person. But you will still be spending .6 or.8 to get in the door. And not one penny of that will go to the girl you spend your hour with.
Many of the girls do in fact earn above $100,000 a year, but sure as hell not based on your calculations. It's based on the level of service they provide and the tip they get for that service from customers. That's why some can sit in a place of business day after day, 7 days a week for 12 or more hours every day and maybe only see one customer today. Tomorrow they may see 5 customers. The busy days balance out the slow days. But if they were all waiting for $20 tips, the owners would have to close all of them up becuase none of the girls would work in them.[/QUOTE]
Skip this one unless you're looking for a good massage. Don't be fooled by the stunning k. Girl who leads you to the room and then is replaced by mamasan. I was trying to get to NT but I guess a lot of you mongers were there. I drove by this one and decided to check it out. There was a positive report here but it was a year old. Oh Well!
Let's be careful out there!
Ok, I think we've pretty well covered the tipping thing (in this thread and others). Can we get back to reports?
I went to Lotus the other day. They guy that handles the front desk is a change for me. Kinda weird, to me. Got a massage from an 50-ish white lady who was very nice, but who was very cautious w/me. She never went for the HE. Not sure who she was. I've heard of a Deva and another girl that get pretty decent reviews there. Can anyone refresh my memory and provide any advice for the next trip?
After striking out earlier, I went back to the sure thing. Ginza provided their usual service today. The cars double parked out front threw me off a bit but I later found out there was a recording session going on next door.
Let's be careful out there!