Non Pro's

I'd like to know how many SD's they have, on average? I doubt it's only one providing $3 K / mo. One of the things I tell prospects is that I don't mind if they have other SD's, and that appeals to many. I suppose they dream of the White Knight SD that provides a huge allowance but I suspect most juggle multiple SD's on a PPM basis.

[QUOTE=MyNickname;4243537][URL]https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/uw-ranks-among-fastest-growing-universities-for-sugar-babies-dating-site-says-1.4332924[/URL]

"Sugar Baby students in Canada receive an average monthly allowance of $2,925" . The monthly allowance is about $2,190 us dollars. Food for thought for guys offering TNA pro rates as allowances to Non pros.

Note: the source of the information is "According to a report from SeekingArrangement, an online 'sugar daddy' dating site". The article was published on " Tuesday, March 12, 2019 1:41PM EDT "[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spacehog;4243639]LOL well the old saying is a fool and his money is soon departed. Why would anyone pay a girl 3 grand a month?? I guess the stupidly wealthy have nothing better to do than blow $36,000 a year on 1 girl. That's probably not including gifts and other random junk.[/QUOTE]You're inflating things by using the Canadian $3000/ month. I recently saw on here that $500 a sleepover was fair, so you do 4 Saturday sleepovers and that's $2,000 USD. Right in line with the $2,190 quoted in the survey.

[QUOTE=WFM33;4244892]I'd like to know how many SD's they have, on average? I doubt it's only one providing $3 K / mo. One of the things I tell prospects is that I don't mind if they have other SD's, and that appeals to many. I suppose they dream of the White Knight SD that provides a huge allowance but I suspect most juggle multiple SD's on a PPM basis.[/QUOTE]When I was in Miami, I met up Marissa. She was $400 per meet (3 hours or so). She had being a sugar baby down to an art. Each morning, I got a text saying "Good morning" (I'm assuming she sent the same ones to everybody). She would send random texts during the day about stuff going on. She went out on dates 5-7 nights per week, didn't work and spent her day in the gym and "making myself look good for my daddies". She rarely ate at home and rarely bought anything for herself, because the men she dated bought everything for her. She was fucking hot and though I knew a lot of what she did was simply for the money, I felt like she really was interested in me. I think she preferred the variety of guys and she was making a solid living off what she did.

Exactly right. Any guy giving 500,400,300,200 for an hour at SA is just giving too much compared to the "fair market value" (real estate term, I know). Even if a guy wants to give 500 for a weekly allowance arrangement he would get multiple meetings with multiple hours each meeting during the week.

[QUOTE=Toomgis;4245014]You're inflating things by using the Canadian $3000/ month. I recently saw on here that $500 a sleepover was fair, so you do 4 Saturday sleepovers and that's $2,000 USD. Right in line with the $2,190 quoted in the survey.[/QUOTE]

A guy could have different SBs. The point of the survey it that it is stating a current monthly allowance expectation of around 2190 US dollars. SBs could meet that expectation or exceed it by having 1 or more SDs.

The question is, are they non pros at that point? Semi pros? It doesn't matter as long as both of SD / SB are happy and each give / receive a fair allowance. The article gives a fair allowance value idea.

[QUOTE=WFM33;4244892]I'd like to know how many SD's they have, on average? I doubt it's only one providing $3 K / mo. One of the things I tell prospects is that I don't mind if they have other SD's, and that appeals to many. I suppose they dream of the White Knight SD that provides a huge allowance but I suspect most juggle multiple SD's on a PPM basis.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MyNickname;4245309]Exactly right. Any guy giving 500,400,300,200 for an hour at SA is just giving too much compared to the "fair market value" (real estate term, I know). Even if a guy wants to give 500 for a weekly allowance arrangement he would get multiple meetings with multiple hours each meeting during the week.[/QUOTE]If a guy can afford a 500 weekly allowance, I am going to assume he has a fairly well-paying job. Few people are independently wealthy. So if this hypothetical dude has a job that allows him and extra $2 k a month in discretionary spending, I would think he would need to work pretty hard to keep the job, so when does he find time to enjoy what his allowance gets him? I am on a PPM arrangement and I cannot find the time to do that! And it gets expensive real quick with multiple meets in a month!

[QUOTE=MyNickname;4245316]A guy could have different SBs. The point of the survey it that it is stating a current monthly allowance expectation of around 2190 US dollars. SBs could meet that expectation or exceed it by having 1 or more SDs.

The question is, are they non pros at that point? Semi pros? It doesn't matter as long as both of SD / SB are happy and each give / receive a fair allowance. The article gives a fair allowance value idea.[/QUOTE]Right? If this woman in Miami is dating 5-7 nights a week, and her "day-job" is working out at the gym, she is no longer an amateur. She is a pro, 100%.

Any information on SashaJane? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/21e0ba46-8887-47d5-837c-b82065202636[/URL].

Thanks.

I'm new to the SA world and this thread. Mostly strippers and escorts off the usual websites in the past. BB is rare with escorts and possible with strippers. So do you bring up BBCIP during the initial texting or at the meet and greet? It seems bold to do that with a text to someone you've never met. Especially if she's just a coed looking for a few extra bucks. Thanks!!

As someone said in this conversation, the guy could be doing overnights (500) on Saturdays. Such overnights could be with a different lady (or same lady) every Saturday and still be in the 2000 monthly budget. Everybody gets at least one day off on a week.

[QUOTE=Diver6390;4246284]If a guy can afford a 500 weekly allowance, I am going to assume he has a fairly well-paying job. Few people are independently wealthy. So if this hypothetical dude has a job that allows him and extra $2 k a month in discretionary spending, I would think he would need to work pretty hard to keep the job, so when does he find time to enjoy what his allowance gets him? I am on a PPM arrangement and I cannot find the time to do that! And it gets expensive real quick with multiple meets in a month![/QUOTE]

True but she is not as expensive as TNA pros. That lady is doing 400 for multiple hours each meet and a lot of difference on the experience with her compared to 1 hour TNA pro experience counterparts.

I am amazed at ads in that board where they ask 400-500 for 30 min to a 1 hour BS experiences.

[QUOTE=Diver6390;4246287]Right? If this woman in Miami is dating 5-7 nights a week, and her "day-job" is working out at the gym, she is no longer an amateur. She is a pro, 100%.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Diver6390;4246287]Right? If this woman in Miami is dating 5-7 nights a week, and her "day-job" is working out at the gym, she is no longer an amateur. She is a pro, 100%.[/QUOTE]In grand scheme of things, if she is accepting cash in exchange for service then she is a pro. One of the reasons I avoid the younger, inexperienced SBs is because at some point they come to the conclusion that what they are doing is basically prostitution and some of them either back out or don't accept it too well. As for the SB in Miami, she considered us her boyfriends and the guys would buy her clothes, jewelry, food and paid her money. I caught on to the game she was playing, but if I chose not to investigate and ask questions she would have been perfect. She worked hard to make it appear that I was a special person in her life (for the time I was there) and knew how to push the right buttons, didn't watch the clock. In essence, she was the fantasy SB. I'd prefer her over the woman here that I spent 6 months trying to get into bed because she "wasn't sure she wanted to do this. " I've been doing the SD for about a year now and every woman that I bedded was definitely a pro. A few acted like they never did it before, but it was obvious they were well experienced at the sex for money game.

So I'd like to keep the discussion on rates going. I would guess that most SA girls only make about $10 or $15 an hour. Assuming they have a job at all. Giving them about 4 times that seems generous to me. So a multi-hour date would be $300 and a sleepover about $500. Again about what was stated in the Canadian survey and by others here.

[QUOTE=Toomgis;4249253]So I'd like to keep the discussion on rates going. I would guess that most SA girls only make about $10 or $15 an hour. Assuming they have a job at all. Giving them about 4 times that seems generous to me. So a multi-hour date would be $300 and a sleepover about $500. Again about what was stated in the Canadian survey and by others here.[/QUOTE]I really believe that if you're going to put an hourly rate on it, you should just get an escort. With the exception of one, none of the people that I dated on SA made less than $20/ hr at their normal job (if they had one). I believe there are three types of girls on there.

1. Women that are looking to meet basic expenses (or pay bills or "tuition") they may have children with a dead beat father.

2. Women that want expensive shit, want to go to nice restaurants and want to be taken on vacations.

3. UTR or wannabe escorts.

With #2 and #3, you can start talking about hourly and what you're willing to pay but with #1, I believe you really have more of an obligation to help them (within reason) when they need it. I tend to either do #1 or #3, as I was a single father and know what it's like to have children that need shit, the refrigerator's empty and PSE is knocking on the door to turn off the power, so spending money on frivolous stuff like $1,000 boots (one of my dates wanted some) is something that I can't bring myself to do. With #1, I feel like my money is going to something worthwhile or at least meaningful.

2 of the people I dated on SA were outright escorts and I also found them on TNA (with some searching), I paid MUCH less than their posted rates. I even had one of them as a regular SB for 4 or 5 months.

In the end, I believe you should look at what you are willing to spend each month and allowances should reflect that amount. For me, the SB relationship is more than just sex. Sex is a good part of it, but if sex were my sole reason for being on SA, then I'd rather just find an escort that knows what she's doing.

Met a non-pro at [URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.nl/classifieds/index.php?view=showad&adid=86826&cityid=491[/URL].

I had doubts, but I responded and she responded back in a few hours. Met with her twice this week in my car, evening hours, highly recommend her. Great communication and was on time. Very convenient for me because I only had an hour to sneak out and this was a perfect rendezvous for time and accomplishment. Very classy woman, huge smile, eager to please, sexy outfit, and definitely a non-pro with a high sex drive. She prefers businessmen in nice cars. I could not find any pictures of her, but I attached a picture I found of an escort that looks just like her and freaking wears same outfits as well.

Does anyone here had prior interactions with:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/efcfd6b1-2073-4145-8d7a-7a901ff7a379[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5171e8a7-216f-498d-8f7d-6300216edd6d[/URL]

I think these are pros:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/58e35c12-97ca-4bd8-9e61-e336da8fedb5[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/50cee030-c4c4-42ff-be2c-ac62a13ebae4[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4a0189fa-03b0-4c67-b2cd-1de811319504[/URL] (Seen prior reports).

I am hitting up.

LittlaPanda.

Sac. FunGirl.

A part of me love the chase. There is another part of me that just want their asses.

S2.

[QUOTE=SuperSonicGsxr;4251897]Met a non-pro at [URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.nl/classifieds/index.php?view=showad&adid=86826&cityid=491[/URL].

I had doubts, but I responded and she responded back in a few hours. Met with her twice this week in my car, evening hours, highly recommend her. Great communication and was on time. Very convenient for me because I only had an hour to sneak out and this was a perfect rendezvous for time and accomplishment. Very classy woman, huge smile, eager to please, sexy outfit, and definitely a non-pro with a high sex drive. She prefers businessmen in nice cars. I could not find any pictures of her, but I attached a picture I found of an escort that looks just like her and freaking wears same outfits as well.[/QUOTE]How can I contact her? Also what was the damage? Bare or cover?

Requesting info. Anyone interacted with them?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/607ab84a-b094-746a-fec4-b462bf45148b[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/59bc6ae6-2859-83cf-3710-bc03c7674920[/URL]

This one: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/efcfd6b1-2073-4145-8d7a-7a901ff7a379[/URL].

I have contacted and texted back and forth with her, but she was a little too rich for me. She was looking for $500 per meet and when I thanked her for getting back to me, but passed, she responded with $400. I again passed and told her that I wasn't trying to negotiate her down and that I respected her and her rate structure and wished her a good day. Her name is Gigi and she seems really nice from our interaction. Absolutely love her look and wish I had the money. Guess I have champagne babe taste with a beer babe budget.

If anyone knows of a non-pro (or pro) that is of middle eastern or Indian descent, please PM the contact info.

Rock Chalk.

[QUOTE=Seraph2;4251906]Does anyone here had prior interactions with:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/efcfd6b1-2073-4145-8d7a-7a901ff7a379[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5171e8a7-216f-498d-8f7d-6300216edd6d[/URL]

I think these are pros:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/58e35c12-97ca-4bd8-9e61-e336da8fedb5[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/50cee030-c4c4-42ff-be2c-ac62a13ebae4[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4a0189fa-03b0-4c67-b2cd-1de811319504[/URL] (Seen prior reports).

I am hitting up.

LittlaPanda.

Sac. FunGirl.

A part of me love the chase. There is another part of me that just want their asses.

S2.[/QUOTE]

Added sone notes below.

[QUOTE=Seraph2;4251906]Does anyone here had

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/efcfd6b1-2073-4145-8d7a-7a901ff7a379[/URL]
Tanasty now. Was talking to her in the past. Wanted $500 per meet.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5171e8a7-216f-498d-8f7d-6300216edd6d[/URL]
No info

I think these are pros:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/58e35c12-97ca-4bd8-9e61-e336da8fedb5[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/50cee030-c4c4-42ff-be2c-ac62a13ebae4[/URL]
Desert first. Was talking but I was traveling to much to meet up as much as she wanted. Not sure if she is a pro

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4a0189fa-03b0-4c67-b2cd-1de811319504[/URL] (Seen prior reports).
Marcy, not a pro per se. time management is terrible. Oral is good. Smash and leave. Like SubEmily

I am hitting up.

LittlaPanda.

Sac. FunGirl.

A part of me love the chase. There is another part of me that just want their asses.

S2.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RockChalk;4252259]This one: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/efcfd6b1-2073-4145-8d7a-7a901ff7a379[/URL].

I have contacted and texted back and forth with her, but she was a little too rich for me. She was looking for $500 per meet and when I thanked her for getting back to me, but passed, she responded with $400. I again passed and told her that I wasn't trying to negotiate her down and that I respected her and her rate structure and wished her a good day. Her name is Gigi and she seems really nice from our interaction. Absolutely love her look and wish I had the money. Guess I have champagne babe taste with a beer babe budget.

If anyone knows of a non-pro (or pro) that is of middle eastern or Indian descent, please PM the contact info.

Rock Chalk.[/QUOTE]Tanasty (GiGi) first asked for 700. Same deal told her no thank you. Ended up at 350. First meet was awkward. I think she was very new to the lifestyle. Did not kiss but allowed BB. Nice body. Bigger boobs than what you would expect. I have seen her a couple times since. She really opened up after first visit. Good BJ. Good kisser. But she is young and acts it. Has a little bit of an edge. I keep her in my rotation. She is very attractive and a good time. I am also interested in learning more about anyone with Indian decent.

[QUOTE=IrishGuy1977;4252333]Tanasty (GiGi) first asked for 700. Same deal told her no thank you. Ended up at 350. First meet was awkward. I think she was very new to the lifestyle. Did not kiss but allowed BB. Nice body. Bigger boobs than what you would expect. I have seen her a couple times since. She really opened up after first visit. Good BJ. Good kisser. But she is young and acts it. Has a little bit of an edge. I keep her in my rotation. She is very attractive and a good time. I am also interested in learning more about anyone with Indian decent.[/QUOTE]Curious if she stayed with 350 per meet or if she came down a bit with regular visits. I suppose her acting young does have something to do with her being just 19. I have shoes older than that, I think. She looks like she would be fun.

[QUOTE=RockChalk;4252771] I suppose her acting young does have something to do with her being just 19. I have shoes older than that...[/QUOTE]Holy Methuselah, Batman! I DO have shoes older than 19 years old. Really made me feel old.

[QUOTE=SuperSonicGsxr;4251897]Met a non-pro at [URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.nl/classifieds/index.php?view=showad&adid=86826&cityid=491[/URL].

I had doubts, but I responded and she responded back in a few hours. Met with her twice this week in my car, evening hours, highly recommend her. Great communication and was on time. Very convenient for me because I only had an hour to sneak out and this was a perfect rendezvous for time and accomplishment. Very classy woman, huge smile, eager to please, sexy outfit, and definitely a non-pro with a high sex drive. She prefers businessmen in nice cars. I could not find any pictures of her, but I attached a picture I found of an escort that looks just like her and freaking wears same outfits as well.[/QUOTE]That pic is 12 years old. Any recent pix?

Inline comments.

[QUOTE]

I think these are pros:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/58e35c12-97ca-4bd8-9e61-e336da8fedb5[/URL]
Definitely pro. I exchanged phone numbers and hers came back with her providers ads when I googled search it. I think I wrote a post on that but I might have forgotten

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/50cee030-c4c4-42ff-be2c-ac62a13ebae4[/URL]
I doubt she a provider as she can not host. Granted some providers only do outcall but they are the minority

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4a0189fa-03b0-4c67-b2cd-1de811319504[/URL] (Seen prior reports).
As above she can not host, and seems to be to flaky for being a pro. Again granted some flaky provider do only outcall

LittlaPanda.
(This one is a pro for sure, she is on TNA)

Sac. FunGirl.

A part of me love the chase. There is another part of me that just want their asses.

S2.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RockChalk;4252259]This one: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/efcfd6b1-2073-4145-8d7a-7a901ff7a379[/URL].

I have contacted and texted back and forth with her, but she was a little too rich for me. She was looking for $500 per meet and when I thanked her for getting back to me, but passed, she responded with $400. I again passed and told her that I wasn't trying to negotiate her down and that I respected her and her rate structure and wished her a good day. Her name is Gigi and she seems really nice from our interaction. Absolutely love her look and wish I had the money. Guess I have champagne babe taste with a beer babe budget.

If anyone knows of a non-pro (or pro) that is of middle eastern or Indian descent, please PM the contact info.

Rock Chalk.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the responses guys. Gigi also responded with me $500 per meet (2 h, BJ and cfs). Told me she can host for a few dollars more. The only issue is that I am not that rich. Haha. Love Seattle. If you are ever in Chicago or Milwaukee, message me. I can give you a few pointers.

Props to you guys. I can't see myself paying $90 just to read messages. If they are real.

Any Intel on Lolabuhny.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5a5e33a2-2ceb-4781-ab32-39fa5e0fcf03[/URL]

Would be very appreciated.

I think she is a pro but I am not sure.

[QUOTE=RockChalk;4252771]Curious if she stayed with 350 per meet or if she came down a bit with regular visits. I suppose her acting young does have something to do with her being just 19. I have shoes older than that, I think. She looks like she would be fun.[/QUOTE]She might be 20 now. LOL. I know she is at least 18 but can't legally drink. She is not good with time. Always runs at least an hour late. She is hot though and fun once she opens up. She has stayed at 350 with me. She actually has tried to increase it but I refuse. She has told me that I am the lowest she has accepted for allowance. I have been seeing her every couple of months since October of last year. She hangs out for around 2 hours each visit. She does love her weed. I don't smoke but have no objection. I would if not for work.

Disclaimer: I normally normally stay in the 25 to 30 age range.

[QUOTE=Martinh;4254005]Props to you guys. I can't see myself paying $90 just to read messages. If they are real.[/QUOTE]If that's the case, it's probably best for you. What you do when the woman needs money? If you're not willing to pony up $90, how are you going to deal with an SB that wants $500? I usually sign up for a month and then take a break for several months and use the numbers that I accumulate during that month. I honestly can't ever say that the $90 is a waste of money, hell. I blow more than that on drinks on a Friday night. As far as not being real. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of posts of people on here of meeting people on the site. I think in about 2 years, I encountered one person that I thought was a bot and someone here fucked her (which means I was wrong). I guess it's good to be skeptical, but when everyone around you is doing it and making it work, it seems the skepticism isn't truly warranted.

[QUOTE=Martinh;4254005]Props to you guys. I can't see myself paying $90 just to read messages. If they are real.[/QUOTE]I had tried a lot of alternatives Tinder, AFF, Ashley Madison, * (for years) , sugardaddymeet.

I get so much pussy and ass out of SA for quite affordable prices and a few times even for free, it has by far the best ROI.

I had use it even internationally.

Any info on her? Inclined on contacting her.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5ac19869-9705-4b8c-aadc-15c55b28c900[/URL]

Ok. I'm going in and see if it works. Especially since Little Panda sent me a message.

[QUOTE=Martinh;4255565]Ok. I'm going in and see if it works. Especially since Little Panda sent me a message.[/QUOTE]Use the magnet option (9. 99) it will put you on the front page for 24 hours. You'll get at least 20 messages right from the start. It will be a good way to start off. You have to buy the magnet and then activate it (nothing on the site tells you that).

[QUOTE=Martinh;4255565]Ok. I'm going in and see if it works. Especially since Little Panda sent me a message.[/QUOTE]Little panda is a pro.

The real gems in SA, require work. Very rarely they will reach to you.

You need to be proactive. Write an interesting profile with some photos. You can use some unidentifiable pictures of you or find a pic online that is somewhat close to how you look. Tune your message, hint longer term with pay per meet to start.

And that if you match you expect sex on the first date.

Then write some messages. Many would not reply, but 25-35 % of them would. And if your approach is straight forward enough then those are good potential women to fuck

In my opinion the sweet spot are late 20s to early 40s hot milfs that need financial help and attention.

[QUOTE=NewHere27;4254567]Any info on her? Inclined on contacting her.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5ac19869-9705-4b8c-aadc-15c55b28c900[/URL][/QUOTE]We had a coffee-type first date. Nice girl, and very attractive, but not enough chemistry between the two of us for a second date.

I know many on here have noted success on SDM. I tried both for 3 months. I followed the same tactics that I have found successful on SA, however, did not have one successful meet from SDM. I did find a lot of GPS, let's meet right now, and time wasters types. That is when you could get a timely response. Overall I think caliber and variety of women on SDM fails in comparison to SA. I also like the prefer the SA user interface to SDM's. The proximity search really needs to be dialed in on SDM. The smallest distance is 100 miles. One thing I would like SA to implement is a User I'd search similar to SDM.

Just my humble opinion after a true side by side comparison is that spending the extra money on SA is well worth it.

Interested in hearing from anyone who has had a different or more successful result from SDM. If so, did you approach things differently between the two sites?

Brothers,

I have been on the forum for a while, but pretty new to SA. I have had absolutely no luck finding any girls willing to meet. I have exchanged texts with a few of them and it has not really gone anywhere.

A lot of you guys seem to have had quite a bit of fun with the women in SA. I would appreciate suggestions on specific girls you have seen. For context, I am big on greek and open to BB Greek though BB is not a must. I would prefer girls 18-32 (I am in that age range).

Would greatly appreciate any suggestions from you fine gentlemen (or lack thereof).

I agree with IrishGuy.

I too got the three months deal with SDM and in those three months I got a third of the interactions I get in a month on SA.

I did manage to fuck a couple of women from SDM. Both were good, I repeated with one. I wanted to repeat with the other one but she went silent.

Overall even being a third of the price, SDM is not worth it compared to SA.

[QUOTE=AK6571;4258072]Brothers,

I have been on the forum for a while, but pretty new to SA. I have had absolutely no luck finding any girls willing to meet. I have exchanged texts with a few of them and it has not really gone anywhere.

A lot of you guys seem to have had quite a bit of fun with the women in SA. I would appreciate suggestions on specific girls you have seen. For context, I am big on greek and open to BB Greek though BB is not a must. I would prefer girls 18-32 (I am in that age range).

Would greatly appreciate any suggestions from you fine gentlemen (or lack thereof).[/QUOTE]I am in my early 40's, have gotten back in shape and have been doing very well with the 25-35 crowd on SA. In discussions with these ladies they almost all want older guys as a change from men their age. Might be part of the issue but you never know.

My experience with Greek has been much better with the 35-45 age group. As they are more experienced with sex and know what they want vs the 18-20 somethings.

You could always hit up Emily or sub whatever her name is if you want some submissive bb Greek. She is at the top end of your range but her ass is open for whatever you want.

Otherwise you need to spend a little time finding a kinky gal who is up for Greek which may take some time or you need to ease her into it. If you are good in bed and give them enough good times they tend to let you try new things after a bit.

Just my experience. Good luck!