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[QUOTE=Purple45;2709037]She advertises as a 30 year old, single, multi-ethnic lady. She has advertised mostly in Raleigh and Wilmington but once in Texas just 13 days ago.
[URL]http://www.eroticpostreviews.com/p/973600?modal=8443537&i=true[/URL]#modal-tab.[/QUOTE]I have seen her once, very sweet woman, attractive, did not rush, did not do full service, but had a good time and couldbe available. Very reasonable. I would recommend.
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5. While she lightly caresses with her finger tips, before the flip, you slowly elevate your hips hoping for a "Reach Around".
[/QUOTE]Visit #40 on JJ's list.
[QUOTE=XHippie;2709559]My comments here about VIP is nothing new on the board their service is widely known. Your first sentence said it all it was your first trip there. You don't have to speak Chinese or Korean and they don't have to speak English at these places for your trip to be successful but you do need to understand the script depending on the place. First of all VIP is not famous for their massage's don't expect much sometimes the shower can be extremely sqeeky clean. And depending on your agenda don't expect to be there a full one hour unless you want to impress or wear her ass out literally. Now to the flip script if you want a HJ and she motions for one smile and gently pull her toward you or no matter what she motions if you want that honey hole you point or touch the part you want. Remember at this point of the visit she wants to know what you want and she shouldn't be the one offering, depending on her english skills you should be the one making the request with gestures not verbal jabbering she understands a point at the pussy 100% now you have to produce the tip amount and cover (they probably provide the cover if my memory serves me) when she shrugged her shoulders, she was waiting for you to point at that pussy and hold up fingers that indicated how much $ you were going to tip her. It is not as much as a rookie mistake as it is not knowing the script in these places. I've been in other Korean places that are similar to VIP and the girl did not know one word of English but she new exactly what my hand gestures meant. Every game has its rules if you want to play learn the rules. This is a great board to learn from. I will say VIP has had a business model that has worked for them for a long time I would be real surprised if they offered lesser services it's always been a full menu unless you give the girl a bad vibe. The only issue I've ever heard about them having is some post were made about them denying entry to the spa to guys because they probably looked like LE and some felt it was due to their race. Learning the script makes the game /visit a lot easier for you and her.[/QUOTE]Good information XHippie, I often wondered, how it all worked with the language barrier.
I have been enjoying this hobby for 20 plus years now. I have sampled a variety of the talent at various locations throughout the area. I would find a provider I liked and would stick with her building up a repour until sooner or later they would always move on. Then I was stuck again going from location to location trying to build up a new repour with a new provider. This would become costly and would be hit or miss on the level of service received.
This past year I have decided to try a new tactic. I have been sticking to one location even after a preferred provider moves on or is in New York for the week. I have found I still get the service with the extra benefits even with a first time visit with a new provider. I guess the girls do talk and share info on us "Johns".
Was in the area and had some time to kill. Hadn't heard anything out of this AMP for a while so decided to stop by. Opted for the hh for. 5. Declined the upsell TS for another. 2 as even though I enjoy it, In my mind, it's more for their benefit than mine so they should want to make it happen. Didn't ask the lady's name. Didn't care. Decent build, butter face. Nice smile though. Funny how that happens. Anyway. Decent medium pressure. Wonderful teasing. No negotiation on the flip. Straight to work and did a great job. Almost made her build up a sweat. I wanted to keep that one going as long as I could. Couple of hugs and a bottle of water (she really is a sweetheart) and I was out the door. . 4 tip and she was happy to get it.
[QUOTE=NeedsSome;2710031]I have been enjoying this hobby for 20 plus years now. I have sampled a variety of the talent at various locations throughout the area. I would find a provider I liked and would stick with her building up a repour until sooner or later they would always move on. Then I was stuck again going from location to location trying to build up a new repour with a new provider. This would become costly and would be hit or miss on the level of service received.
This past year I have decided to try a new tactic. I have been sticking to one location even after a preferred provider moves on or is in New York for the week. I have found I still get the service with the extra benefits even with a first time visit with a new provider. I guess the girls do talk and share info on us "Johns".[/QUOTE]That's the thing man find out what works for you and stick with it, it's all about enjoying yourself and leaving your provider a little happier than you found her it's a win win for both of you and makes repeat visits more pleasurable.
I've been wondering about this for a while. I've not been a fan of the AMPs because of the fact that you apparently have to negotiate at the flip. This would be a real mood killer for me. I like to put my money down, then the rest of the session have a fantasy that they are into me. Is there thrill in trying to get additional services from young (or not so young) ladies for a cheap (or reasonable) price? Nothing about that sounds like a good time. Am I missing something?
[QUOTE=Ronnor;2710477]I've been wondering about this for a while. I've not been a fan of the AMPs because of the fact that you apparently have to negotiate at the flip. This would be a real mood killer for me. I like to put my money down, then the rest of the session have a fantasy that they are into me. Is there thrill in trying to get additional services from young (or not so young) ladies for a cheap (or reasonable) price? Nothing about that sounds like a good time. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]The couple of times I visited Westgate, there was never a negotiation. The last 2 out of 3 times at Emily, same thing.
Same here. It's been several months since I've visited Wesgate, but I would recommend for a really good massage, which is really important to me, and a pretty good negotiation-free HE.
[QUOTE=GeniePants;2710815]The couple of times I visited Westgate, there was never a negotiation. The last 2 out of 3 times at Emily, same thing.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ronnor;2710477]I've been wondering about this for a while. I've not been a fan of the AMPs because of the fact that you apparently have to negotiate at the flip. This would be a real mood killer for me. I like to put my money down, then the rest of the session have a fantasy that they are into me. Is there thrill in trying to get additional services from young (or not so young) ladies for a cheap (or reasonable) price? Nothing about that sounds like a good time. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]I'm still new to this, but I have never had to negotiate.
[QUOTE=Ronnor;2710477]I've been wondering about this for a while. I've not been a fan of the AMPs because of the fact that you apparently have to negotiate at the flip. This would be a real mood killer for me. I like to put mjy money down, then the rest of the session have a fantasy that they are into me. Is there thrill in trying to get additional services from young (or not so young) ladies for a cheap (or reasonable) price? Nothing about that sounds like a good time. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]As we all know when seeing a BP provider the price is a flat rate the provider sets unless extras are added. The AMP's around here are more complicated because one never knows from month to month who will be coming or going so who knows what service will be offered from one provider to the next, or what she was use to getting as a tip in NJ or wherever. The AMP business around here is new compared to LA or NY there are stores in some of those places that have been in place for years so the service, entry fee and tip is standard knowledge for the customers regardless how many girls may rotate in and out. When a new girl comes in she is informed what the door fee is what a HJ, BJ and FS fees are. The stores here I would classify them as still in the slow lane or Jr. High School they have not graduated to the big league it's almost as if some are a big tease or still in their innocence, VIP was mentioned recently most that have been there know the entry fee and the tip to get what they went for this is because of regardless of the rotation their business is more established. But all the places in Raleigh, Durham, Cary, Garner and so on are standard service which I know everyone is aware of. Standard tip $40 for rub and tug. More than a rub and tug that's where these stores around here are still in their training wheels none are really established mainly because of who owns the store for any period of time or who works in the store for any length of time This effects the service. If you have a girl in one of these stores that was fucking and sucking in NJ and she's the only one in a Cary store now doing it she will not last because it will get out quick and she will take all the customers away from the other girls this has happened at several stores around here. It has to be a team effort ladies LOL. So we are back at square one when you are in the room with someone regardless of the store you have to find out what she offers at what price. It's the nature of what we have to choose from because of the maturity of the business here which obviously effects the maturity of the service offered. We all run across girls that haggle for the HJ tip just to pull off her shirt. Some never mention a tip they just go straight to the pole and let you have access to the goodies. It's the luck of the draw. But given the nature of these places around here its not like we can walk in and lay $120 on the table and know what's coming. It's more like the provider and customer have to size each other up. Do I like him? Man I like her I wonder If she thinks I'm a creep? Wonder what he wants? Wonder what she will do? Wonder if he tips good? Wonder how much a tip would cost for X? Call it negotiating but this is where we are. Now there are a very very few swinging dicks out there that have a girl they are tapping the honey hole that doesn't apply to anything I just said here God bless them. But for most of us it's the old fashion way, try to impress her to undress her.
I would only add a couple of comments. Some of us have better moves than others or have physical assets that help in the process, not me LOL. Also some girls get to like certain regulars, and over time will open up more for them. Some because of the tip others because for whatever reason they just like the guy or trust him. Some won't even give a HJ to some guys while other guys get lots of fun. Other girls talk about their customers all the time and share what they like, so a certain place may have everyone treating you great while certain guys get treated like a bad dog, no treats. This is usually because they give a bad tip, are dirty, or start grabbing the girl like crazy and asking for FS before even saying hello. When you find a place where the girls like each other and have worked together, here or someplace else, your odds improve.
[QUOTE=XHippie;2711048]As we all know when seeing a BP provider the price is a flat rate the provider sets unless extras are added. The AMP's around here are more complicated because one never knows from month to month who will be coming or going so who knows what service will be offered from one provider to the next, or what she was use to getting as a tip in NJ or wherever. The AMP business around here is new compared to LA or NY there are stores in some of those places that have been in place for years so the service, entry fee and tip is standard knowledge for the customers regardless how many girls may rotate in and out. When a new girl comes in she is informed what the door fee is what a HJ, BJ and FS fees are. The stores here I would classify them as still in the slow lane or Jr. High School they have not graduated to the big league it's almost as if some are a big tease or still in their innocence, VIP was mentioned recently most that have been there know the entry fee and the tip to get what they went for this is because of regardless of the rotation their business is more established. But all the places in Raleigh, Durham, Cary, Garner and so on are standard service which I know everyone is aware of. Standard tip $40 for rub and tug. More than a rub and tug that's where these stores around here are still in their training wheels none are really established mainly because of who owns the store for any period of time or who works in the store for any length of time This effects the service. If you have a girl in one of these stores that was fucking and sucking in NJ and she's the only one in a Cary store now doing it she will not last because it will get out quick and she will take all the customers away from the other girls this has happened at several stores around here. It has to be a team effort ladies LOL. So we are back at square one when you are in the room with someone regardless of the store you have to find out what she offers at what price. It's the nature of what we have to choose from because of the maturity of the business here which obviously effects the maturity of the service offered. We all run across girls that haggle for the HJ tip just to pull off her shirt. Some never mention a tip they just go straight to the pole and let you have access to the goodies. It's the luck of the draw. But given the nature of these places around here its not like we can walk in and lay $120 on the table and know what's coming. It's more like the provider and customer have to size each other up. Do I like him? Man I like her I wonder If she thinks I'm a creep? Wonder what he wants? Wonder what she will do? Wonder if he tips good? Wonder how much a tip would cost for X? Call it negotiating but this is where we are. Now there are a very very few swinging dicks out there that have a girl they are tapping the honey hole that doesn't apply to anything I just said here God bless them. But for most of us it's the old fashion way, try to impress her to undress her.[/QUOTE]
Most owners know EXACTLY what's going on. In "general" they do not want the girls "soliciting or negotiating tips" for OBVIOUS reasons. Getting busted. Most if not all girls are NOT even licensed in NC. They just want to operate under the radar. This brings too much attention to the place. They know the girls need to provide a happy ending to guarantee a reasonable tip. This is generally $40. !! In general most guys tip at least $40 for a happy ending. Regretfully some of you guys do NOT tip or give 10-20. As a result they fear they will get stiffed (no pun intended) so they start negotiating. If owners get the drift Many will FIRE her. My best advise tip well in the beginning if you like the gal and plan on returning. That means tip her 50-60 first time if you get a happy ending. They will be glad to see a guy that tips above the norm and will want to have him as a repeat customer. I guarantee you she will NEVER ask for a tip or negotiate. On return visits throw in an extra 10 bucks once in a while. When the word gets out about you all the girls in the store will want you. Conversely, be a cheap Charlie or a jerk they will treat you like the plague. One more thought. Just as we have many AMP options, these girls can work anywhere. Those only after the Big Bucks won't hang around if they can make more money and be close to home (generally NYC), especially if they were FS providers.
[QUOTE=XHippie;2711048]As we all know when seeing a BP provider the price is a flat rate the provider sets unless extras are added. The AMP's around here are more complicated because one never knows from month to month who will be coming or going so who knows what service will be offered from one provider to the next, or what she was use to getting as a tip in NJ or wherever. The AMP business around here is new compared to LA or NY there are stores in some of those places that have been in place for years so the service, entry fee and tip is standard knowledge for the customers regardless how many girls may rotate in and out. When a new girl comes in she is informed what the door fee is what a HJ, BJ and FS fees are. The stores here I would classify them as still in the slow lane or Jr. High School they have not graduated to the big league it's almost as if some are a big tease or still in their innocence, VIP was mentioned recently most that have been there know the entry fee and the tip to get what they went for this is because of regardless of the rotation their business is more established. But all the places in Raleigh, Durham, Cary, Garner and so on are standard service which I know everyone is aware of. Standard tip $40 for rub and tug. More than a rub and tug that's where these stores around here are still in their training wheels none are really established mainly because of who owns the store for any period of time or who works in the store for any length of time This effects the service. If you have a girl in one of these stores that was fucking and sucking in NJ and she's the only one in a Cary store now doing it she will not last because it will get out quick and she will take all the customers away from the other girls this has happened at several stores around here. It has to be a team effort ladies LOL. So we are back at square one when you are in the room with someone regardless of the store you have to find out what she offers at what price. It's the nature of what we have to choose from because of the maturity of the business here which obviously effects the maturity of the service offered. We all run across girls that haggle for the HJ tip just to pull off her shirt. Some never mention a tip they just go straight to the pole and let you have access to the goodies. It's the luck of the draw. But given the nature of these places around here its not like we can walk in and lay $120 on the table and know what's coming. It's more like the provider and customer have to size each other up. Do I like him? Man I like her I wonder If she thinks I'm a creep? Wonder what he wants? Wonder what she will do? Wonder if he tips good? Wonder how much a tip would cost for X? Call it negotiating but this is where we are. Now there are a very very few swinging dicks out there that have a girl they are tapping the honey hole that doesn't apply to anything I just said here God bless them. But for most of us it's the old fashion way, try to impress her to undress her.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jimjim77;2711240]I would only add a couple of comments. Some of us have better moves than others or have physical assets that help in the process, not me LOL. Also some girls get to like certain regulars, and over time will open up more for them. Some because of the tip others because for whatever reason they just like the guy or trust him. Some won't even give a HJ to some guys while other guys get lots of fun. Other girls talk about their customers all the time and share what they like, so a certain place may have everyone treating you great while certain guys get treated like a bad dog, no treats. This is usually because they give a bad tip, are dirty, or start grabbing the girl like crazy and asking for FS before even saying hello. When you find a place where the girls like each other and have worked together, here or someplace else, your odds improve.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=XHippie;2709559]My comments here about VIP is nothing new on the board their service is widely known. Your first sentence said it all it was your first trip there. You don't have to speak Chinese or Korean and they don't have to speak English at these places for your trip to be successful but you do need to understand the script depending on the place. First of all VIP is not famous for their massage's don't expect much sometimes the shower can be extremely sqeeky clean. And depending on your agenda don't expect to be there a full one hour unless you want to impress or wear her ass out literally. Now to the flip script if you want a HJ and she motions for one smile and gently pull her toward you or no matter what she motions if you want that honey hole you point or touch the part you want. Remember at this point of the visit she wants to know what you want and she shouldn't be the one offering, depending on her english skills you should be the one making the request with gestures not verbal jabbering she understands a point at the pussy 100% now you have to produce the tip amount and cover (they probably provide the cover if my memory serves me) when she shrugged her shoulders, she was waiting for you to point at that pussy and hold up fingers that indicated how much $ you were going to tip her. It is not as much as a rookie mistake as it is not knowing the script in these places. I've been in other Korean places that are similar to VIP and the girl did not know one word of English but she new exactly what my hand gestures meant. Every game has its rules if you want to play learn the rules. This is a great board to learn from. I will say VIP has had a business model that has worked for them for a long time I would be real surprised if they offered lesser services it's always been a full menu unless you give the girl a bad vibe. The only issue I've ever heard about them having is some post were made about them denying entry to the spa to guys because they probably looked like LE and some felt it was due to their race. Learning the script makes the game /visit a lot easier for you and her.[/QUOTE]Spot on about VIP. It's been eons since I've been there (distance and price became restrictive after the Chinese opened up); however, FS is definitely on the menu. You will be expected to have to negotiate $120-140 for FS. Once you are known and are an FS customer they do not negotiate and you can either lay out your tip ahead of time or pay after session. AS Xhippie said, if they have bad vibes about you may not make it past the door or if you do it's massagi ONLY. They have been successful with their business model and do not desire to change. Yes, If you a black guy in "thug" gear you won't get in. If you look like a biker "maggot" you won't get in. If you look like your under 12 it's AMF to you! BTW "cute Mamasan (kim) and Hannah are now in their late 50's. Damn those Asians age well.
I dreamed I drove almost three hours to Raleigh for some business and popped in on the NC forum to see what's good. I had read up on VIP and decided to give it a go. Mamasan met me at the door through her little window and told me to come back in 20 minutes. I knew what was up. 20 minutes late I returned and was welcomed and taken by the hand by mamasan to the room. She asked if I wanted a shower, to which I replied yes. Mamasan gave me a good scrubbing down. She was very thorough, and I had no doubts of what to expect. This place reminded me of the 777 Spa in Biloxi, MS. After the shower I was escorted back to the room and mamasan called for a girl to come greet me. The girl came in dressed pretty sexy. She was young. Under 30 I guessed, but had some meat on her. It wasn't enough to detract from her attractiveness, and her legs were great. Her bosom was at least a see cup. I dreamt that she started by massaging me and asked if it was my first time. I told her it was, and tried to keep the conversation going, but she wasn't up for much talking. Her name was Sarah, and she didn't seem too happy. On the flip she motioned for a HJ and I shook my head and pointed to her pleasure place. She then motioned for a BJ, to which I insisted and told her $. 2. She then got a wrapped piece of candy and motioned it at me. After being stupid for several seconds I realized she was asking if I brought a wrapper. I jumped up and got it as well as the tip. She said she had to wash it and would be back. After returning she stripped down and gave me a nice CBJ with some tit rubbing. Then she hopped on. CG and Mish to completion. She seemed to genuinely enjoy it. Afterwards, she told me "Next time $140 on table so I know". It's too far away to repeat often, but hey. I can dream it every night.