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She looked like a civilian, but she gave me "the look". I discreetly circled but she was gone (picked up? she did not have time to walk anywhere). It is certainly possible she was a civilian, who was picked up for a non-SW purpose. For this precise reason I took no forward approach. I never do, as you are quite right, mongers who approach civilians foul the nest for all of us.
[QUOTE=Benchseats Rock]She's a civilian. Our girl don't look like that, and you know it.
If you don't leave the civilians alone, the cops come down harder on us.
If you want a fantasy, order it off Eros.
Bench[/QUOTE]
With all due respect to Old Monger, I don't think he gets out much. He's a good guy, but there's not a nine in Baltimore City let alone the north side of W/W. I saw those gals on Thursday and Friday. I don't know their story, but one got scooped by a monger who was driving next to me. Anyway, they were two brunettes. One was wearing jeans and the other jean shorts. I'd say they were 8 on street walker scale and 5-6 on civi scale. They might have been blockettes. I don't know. The reason they stuck out to me was the cleaner clothes they were wearing. Usually working gals in that direct area (Payson,Pulaski,Eagle) are trashed. Most look like they have been wearing the same clothes for weeks. These gals looked like the average run of the mill broad with a kicker. In my experience, blockettes that hit the loop on that side of town tend to stay around that first block near Monroe or around the circle. Maybe the bus stops provide a safety net. Maybe the pimps have not claimed that block. Years ago a couple gals told me the same thing my new friend told me this past week. They will not go near McHenry! She did not even want to drive down McHenry. Maybe there is a rapist or a couple nasty pimps that live on McHenry. I don't blame them. Anything north of Ramsay and Wilkens is complete shit. Too many random shootings. It's no secret they hate the area, but a habit or two keeps them around from time to time. Some gals have even gone as far as to tell me to stay the fuck off Wilkens, and they don't want to see me around here. "The place is no fucking good!" in her words. I don't disagree with them.
-As always, take precautions new guys. Just because they were not 5.0 yesterday, does not mean they won't be tomorrow. New day new dollar. Even if you've dated a gal four or five times, you should still take precautions when they are with you.
[QUOTE=Clixxx]
I disagree that it is wrong to talk to a SW through a window. HOwever it is imperative NOT TO TALK BUSINESS through the window. A short and sweet "shout out" through the window asking say "do you need a ride" or "do you need some help" or "do you know where ______ is" are absolutely benign (legally and otherwise). The stopping of the vehicle and engaging briefly the potential SW sends a signal to any experienced SW that you are interested.
However, lets say your willie is too intrigued, continue to be deliberate and park yourself where you can watch for a minute or two. Is the girl engaging potential mongers through the window and declining to get in?
All in all, it is OK to engage a potential SW with benign statements through the window just dont be stupid in what you say (regardless of potentially being LE or not). Be short and brief. If she wants to engage in what could be extended conversation beyond a response to your inquiry or talk "business" through the window FORGET IT. SHe may or may not be LE but it is not worth it at this point.[/QUOTE]
Years ago I was trying to scoop this broad off Patapsco. She was a fine looking blond with a stellar body who crossed the bridge to work. Her sister also worked, but was not near the looker. I knew she was not 5.0 because I knew her from area. I approached her. She was standing with two other females. I had my passenger window down and door unlocked because I knew she was getting in, after all she was fine. With three cars behind me, at a stop sign on a cross street, she walks in front of my car and approaches the drivers window. I mind wonders. She talks casual. I said are "you goin to hope in or what honey?" She wants to talk business. I said "you know the rules. Lets go!" She kept looking back at the cars and trucks now beeping behind me. She said, "prove you're not uncle leo." I told her I would as soon as we left. She wanted me to whip it out right there in broad daylight. I thought for a moment. I told her that was illegal and I could get locked up. After that, I said "you know what, I thought you wanted to have a good time, guess I was wrong." I left, but I circled back around to try to get get her interest again. She jumped into one of the trucks that was beeping. I have not seen her since that afternoon. I hope she got out of the game. In order to keep my nose clean, I have to be willing to walk away empty handed many, many, many times. I live by this statement.
Down south in some of the rougher areas, the new gals fresh out of the joint would always hit up the drivers window always with a 'boy friend' in tow or on the corner. He would not release them until some funds were released on the spot. After a few dealings like this, I found out why. Many would not come back. I had two beg and plead not to take them back. What was I suppose to do? Get my house cleaned out? Hell no! I knew the setup. I had one blockette do that to me several years ago on cross st near the after hours club. She had her man in tow and he released her to me. We had a good time and she would have stayed the night and maybe longer. She was out of it. While I was about to drop her off, she begged me not to drop her off. She wanted to go anywhere. I pulled away, and he was yelling and screaming. I circled the block a few times to talk some sense into her. Dropped her off and gave her 'boyfriend' the finger on the way out of town. I saw her and her 'boyfriend' 18 months later on the block. She was at the Flamingo. Still had a great spinner body in spite of his poor looks and hygiene. Anyway, just as you mentioned Clixx. One never knows what one is going to find.
[QUOTE=Clixxx]
Please note that some of my best "picks" have been those engaged with out of the car. For example, you see a clean civilian type, that you have never seen before, sitting on the rowhouse steps who apparently is looking, perhaps unsure how to give the "look" and not coming to the curb during one of your passes as you "get the lay of the land". YOur instincts tell you maybe she is wanting to work but new to the business and unsure what to do. Make sure she sees your face as you drive by. By all means consider parking the car (block or so away) and walk up to her. During the drive by and walk keep radar up - scan well for the smell of bacon and true civilian behavior. Her eyes/look will be strong tell as you approach her "stoop" if she is a newbie you will be able to tell. Ask a benign question and engage in non specific discussion. If she is a civilian the conversation will be curt. If she is a newbie, she will engage you and not "direct" the conversation. You should be able to have her walk with you to your car to "help you find where ______ is located" and then once in the car and driving away you can take care of business.
I have gotten some fresh apparent first timers who need money for whatever reason this way e.g. the diamond in the rough.
clix[/QUOTE]
Nice advice
-In todays climate in Baltimore, I would never talk through the drivers window, regardless. It just wastes too much time. That's time someone could pull up behind you or see the scoop. Opinions vary though.
Now I will have to admit that I have asked more than a few times -"do u need a ride". But there is a danger if it is a sting, even if u didn't ask for anything or agree to anything, could LEO simply lie and say u did? I have wondered about this esp reading of all the arrest in street stings around Laurel/Jessup. Your busted even if u did nothing illegal.
Hey !! This is Baltimore your talking about here!! The police do what they want to do, say what they want to say, and their buddies will vouch for them !! It doesn't matter if it's right, the truth, or an out right lie. PO PO lie and gets away with it ALL the time! Ask around, a lot of people have stories about how they were screwed by the bacon boys. Why do you thing they are called pigs ?? It's up to us to be careful, watch what we do, and a little luck helps.
[QUOTE=Butt Ugly]Hey !! This is Baltimore your talking about here!! The police do what they want to do, say what they want to say, and their buddies will vouch for them !! It doesn't matter if it's right, the truth, or an out right lie. PO PO lie and gets away with it ALL the time! Ask around, a lot of people have stories about how they were screwed by the bacon boys. Why do you thing they are called pigs ?? It's up to us to be careful, watch what we do, and a little luck helps.[/QUOTE]
Strange incident today at Wilkens and Bentalu, I saw 2 "prostitute looking" chicks crossing wilkens, so I entered Bentalu and made a u-trun. By that time, one of the two was crossing Bentalu in front of me. I gave her the look and she goes: is there freaking problem! at that instant, an LE comes from around the corner and sees what is going on. He asked me to remain in my vehicle, while talking to her. Another LE vehicle shows up, and they are checking IDs, registration and all. The officer stated that I was following her and trying to get her into my vehicle, which I denied. I stated that she was crossing the street away from the intersection, expecting me to wait for her while crossing diagonally and slowly (which she was doing), and that pissed me off.
I looked across the Wilkens and saw her friend watching from a distance. Two cars attempted to pick her up, but she dodged them by turnig around and looking the other way (cars could not see the action on Bentalu). This took much longer than the expected and the next thing the girl is in handcuffs.
When I was free to go, I went to a nearby corner store until the cops were gone. Then I headed back to pickup her friend, as I rolled down the window, she said: fu#k you. She was picked up within minutes.
[red][b]BTW, where is this rehab place which serves the area?[/b][/red]
I also found some interesting reading material:
[b]Solicitation[/b]
Solicitation originally meant an offer of sexual services by a prostitute. However, modern courts have held that “a statute making it an offense to solicit an act of prostitution is equally applicable to a man soliciting a prostitute as to the prostitute herself.” 63 Am. Jur. 2d Prostitution 9.
Some statutes clearly state which behavior they prohibit. On the eve of Super Bowl XXXIII, Falcons safety Eugene Robinson drove to Key Biscayne and offered an undercover officer $40 for oral sex. Under Florida law, Robinson was guilty of an attempt “to purchase the services of any person engaged in prostitution.” Fla. Stat. 796.07(2)(i).
California has a blanket solicitation statute, which applies both to prostitutes and their clients. Reyes v. Municipal Court, 117 Cal. App. 3d 771 (2nd Dist. Year). The misdemeanor of solicitation has three elements. First, a person must have specific intent to engage in an act of prostitution. Second, the person must “manifes[t] an acceptance of an offer or solicitation to so engage.” Cal. Penal Code 647(b). Finally, some act must be done “in furtherance of the commission of an act of prostitution.” Id.
[b]Act in Furtherance of Prostitution[/b]
When a statute requires an act in furtherance, the corroborative act can become an issue to dispute at trial. Most courts agree that, “the clarifying or corroborative act need not occur after the agreement was made.” In re Cheri T., 70 Cal. App. 4th 1400 (2nd Dist. 1999). Merely getting into a car before an offer is made is not an act in furtherance, but telling a driver to drive to a dark place is. Id. A masseuse who quotes prices for sex acts during a massage, but leaves on her clothes and does not actually perform any sexual acts, has not done an act in furtherance of prostitution. Adams v. Commonwealth, 208 S.E.2d 742 (Va. 1974).
[b]2Cents[/b]
Mongers need to be aware of the law, not just the safe practices. In some states, it is perfectly legal to ask a prostitute how much she is charging. In other states, a person can get arrested for merely driving suspeciously in an area known for prostitution.
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I saw Stephanie on the corner of Washington and S Carey. She looked so sexy with great legs. Took the pics in an alley. Stephanie is another girl I do not date because I have seen her at one point at her worst.
[QUOTE=Johnny Fever35]Now I will have to admit that I have asked more than a few times -"do u need a ride". But there is a danger if it is a sting, even if u didn't ask for anything or agree to anything, could LEO simply lie and say u did? I have wondered about this esp reading of all the arrest in street stings around Laurel/Jessup. Your busted even if u did nothing illegal.[/QUOTE]
Hold you up for a bit, trying to make you acknowledge that you were dating. Worst thing they can get you for (in a legit fashion) is pandering if they saw you make several rounds.
Remember, these are very hard cases to prove in court. If you don't talk business, they'll generally leave you alone if you drive away.
Was out sightseeing Saturday did'nt really see much only girls I saw was a very pregnant Amber and my old friend Darlene. I did notic this one girl who I've never seen before she was blonde had a nice build and a tat of a dolphin that was just a little below her waste on the right. Anybody know her?
[QUOTE=Old Monger]Saw the prettiest young thing with the cutest smile near Wilkens and Payson Friday evening. Brunette about a nine on the civilian scale. Well-dressed and well-groomed. Any 411?[/QUOTE]It could be Taylor. Very cute, for now.
[QUOTE=Johnny Fever35]Now I will have to admit that I have asked more than a few times -"do u need a ride". But there is a danger if it is a sting, even if u didn't ask for anything or agree to anything, could LEO simply lie and say u did? I have wondered about this esp reading of all the arrest in street stings around Laurel/Jessup. Your busted even if u did nothing illegal.[/QUOTE]
The Laurel JEssup stings are not new.
I posted this experience perhaps 15 years ago (when I remembered my pw to my original handle of simply clix). I frequented AMPS but as you all know it was a little pricey, Rainbow as my personal favorite outside of Arikato in Waldorf (god I miss that place and Sunny & Penny). I was tight on cash and elected to cruise the Whiskey Bottom / 198 area first. Saw this "new girl" standing next to the Starting Gate Liquor Store who was pretty nice. Second pass, still there. Rolled down passenger side door and asked her if she needed a ride. She leaned in the window (I later understood that is was so microphone could record) and asked what are you up to in a manner as to "direct the conversation". A little back and forth ensued as I resisted the subtle directions the tenor of conversation she was taking (like say something like, have some fun, or sex act or money). I was tight on cash, little head was saying to the big head, tell her what you want but I resisted PRECISELY CAUSE I READ THIS FORUM and never talked business through the window. I simply asked again do you need a ride? She said, cant you see I am working? I said I know. She stepped back from the car as if to say I am not interested in you and I drove off. Circled, she was still in the exact area on the wall on Whisky bottom wall of the store. I went to the 7-11 accross the street and watched her (she was hot, I was horny, and I was short of cash for and AMP) thought she might be LE but was not sure (little head wanted her not to be). Went into 7-11 got a beverage. Came out and watched again. A pickup truck with 2 or 3 hispanic guys pulled up and started talkign shit with her. YOu could watch the guys getting pumped up talking with her and she stepped back from the truck....within 30 seconds 4 LE cars were on the pickup truck. They came out of nowhere (or so it seemed) but were actually within a block or two from her in all directions.
I dodged a bullet simply by being deliberate and using what I had learned at that time from posters on this board (which, if memory serves, was still part of the WSG).
Each monger must be comfortable with how they engage. If you dont want to talk through a window, dont. If you do or dont, you absolutely MUST BE SMART in discussions with any sw type pick up.
Dont let yourself be entrapped by the police; they are pros at it. Certainly they can always find a reason to detain or arrest you but generally (almost universally) they dont want to fuck with you simply to fuck with you unless they have a case that sticks. Cases that stick give them merits, greater conviction to arrest ratios and in turn increase thier $ potential etc.
Just be smart in Laurel or Baltimore. Think, think think.
monger on
clix
[QUOTE=Butt Ugly]Hey !! This is Baltimore your talking about here!! The police do what they want to do, say what they want to say, and their buddies will vouch for them !! It doesn't matter if it's right, the truth, or an out right lie. PO PO lie and gets away with it ALL the time! Ask around, a lot of people have stories about how they were screwed by the bacon boys. Why do you thing they are called pigs ?? It's up to us to be careful, watch what we do, and a little luck helps.[/QUOTE]
No shit. Police do what they want (or want you to believe that) but when it comes to brass tacks, they want to look good for thier bosses, make thier bosses look good, and in turn increase rank and get more $ in their own pocket and retirement.
It is what is on tape that is used and seals the conviction in court which is what they have to have to get all the necessary gold stars to get more $.
Knee jerk reactions will land you in trouble.
[QUOTE=Subzero2]Strange incident today at Wilkens and Bentalu, I saw 2 "prostitute looking" chicks crossing wilkens, so I entered Bentalu and made a u-trun. By that time, one of the two was crossing Bentalu in front of me. I gave her the look and she goes: is there freaking problem! at that instant, an LE comes from around the corner and sees what is going on. He asked me to remain in my vehicle, while talking to her. Another LE vehicle shows up, and they are checking IDs, registration and all. The officer stated that I was following her and trying to get her into my vehicle, which I denied. I stated that she was crossing the street away from the intersection, expecting me to wait for her while crossing diagonally and slowly (which she was doing), and that pissed me off.
I looked across the Wilkens and saw her friend watching from a distance. Two cars attempted to pick her up, but she dodged them by turnig around and looking the other way (cars could not see the action on Bentalu). This took much longer than the expected and the next thing the girl is in handcuffs.
When I was free to go, I went to a nearby corner store until the cops were gone. Then I headed back to pickup her friend, as I rolled down the window, she said: fu#k you. She was picked up within minutes.
[red][b]BTW, where is this rehab place which serves the area?[/b][/red]
I also found some interesting reading material:
[b]Solicitation[/b]
Solicitation originally meant an offer of sexual services by a prostitute. However, modern courts have held that “a statute making it an offense to solicit an act of prostitution is equally applicable to a man soliciting a prostitute as to the prostitute herself.” 63 Am. Jur. 2d Prostitution 9.
Some statutes clearly state which behavior they prohibit. On the eve of Super Bowl XXXIII, Falcons safety Eugene Robinson drove to Key Biscayne and offered an undercover officer $40 for oral sex. Under Florida law, Robinson was guilty of an attempt “to purchase the services of any person engaged in prostitution.” Fla. Stat. 796.07(2)(i).
California has a blanket solicitation statute, which applies both to prostitutes and their clients. Reyes v. Municipal Court, 117 Cal. App. 3d 771 (2nd Dist. Year). The misdemeanor of solicitation has three elements. First, a person must have specific intent to engage in an act of prostitution. Second, the person must “manifes[t] an acceptance of an offer or solicitation to so engage.” Cal. Penal Code 647(b). Finally, some act must be done “in furtherance of the commission of an act of prostitution.” Id.
[b]Act in Furtherance of Prostitution[/b]
When a statute requires an act in furtherance, the corroborative act can become an issue to dispute at trial. Most courts agree that, “the clarifying or corroborative act need not occur after the agreement was made.” In re Cheri T., 70 Cal. App. 4th 1400 (2nd Dist. 1999). Merely getting into a car before an offer is made is not an act in furtherance, but telling a driver to drive to a dark place is. Id. A masseuse who quotes prices for sex acts during a massage, but leaves on her clothes and does not actually perform any sexual acts, has not done an act in furtherance of prostitution. Adams v. Commonwealth, 208 S.E.2d 742 (Va. 1974).
[b]2Cents[/b]
Mongers need to be aware of the law, not just the safe practices. In some states, it is perfectly legal to ask a prostitute how much she is charging. In other states, a person can get arrested for merely driving suspeciously in an area known for prostitution.
[b][red]Last[/red][/b]
I saw Stephanie on the corner of Washington and S Carey. She looked so sexy with great legs. Took the pics in an alley. Stephanie is another girl I do not date because I have seen her at one point at her worst.[/QUOTE]
Well presented and good information.
[QUOTE=Eatatmoes]Hold you up for a bit, trying to make you acknowledge that you were dating. Worst thing they can get you for (in a legit fashion) is pandering if they saw you make several rounds.
Remember, these are very hard cases to prove in court. If you don't talk business, they'll generally leave you alone if you drive away.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you are absolutely right and that has been my experience.
I was once tripped up by listening to a stupid ***** who said go straight....I did - right into the beginning of a one way street with a cop coming up the from the other (right) direction. This happened perhaps 3-5 years ago.
He detained us, he knew the girl, for about 45 minutes. He had us "red handed" so to speak. He talked with her, and me, separately. He knew damn well what was going on and made it clear he was "pissed". I knew he had nothing on me but, like butt ugly said, they do anything they want (and or just present that to you for intimidation) however I believe that they do not want to waste their time on an "non-conviction case" , but they could at least make the immediate future uncomfortable. He said I know you are trying to buy some pussy, and gave me a lecture about disease, drugs, pimps, killings, robbery etc all associated with SW prostitues (which was mostly true from a LE perspective). I acted contrite without discrete agreement. I sensed that if I did not give him some satisfaction he would be pissed and perhaps fuck with me further. So I acknowledged his statements, in a limited way, and how right he was (just saying I know I know) but stated that I was simply driving around because I was in a lousy marriage (half truth, I was already divorced) and saw this girl and some company would be nice (no acknowledgement of illegal activity). He then lectured me again on what i could take home to the "wife" from illegal activities....blah blah blah.
He let both of us go, though I got a ticket, because neither one of us had talked money or sex acts or the like before he stopped us and that was true.
Certainly he could have trumped something up and taken it to court but it would waste his and more importantly the judge's time.
They dont want to fuck with you unless you are disrespectful or have you with evidence that will stand up in court.
One piece of advice, if you are stopped by LE while driving, make sure you park your vehicle right, to avoid having it towed away. This could make a difference between gtting your wheels back almost immediately, to having to pay for towing and getting into a real mess. The one time I had to go through the "walk thru," all I had to do is pay about $20 for a cab back to my vehicle.
Another piece of advice, if an officer tells you that he will let you go if you admit ... he will actually let you go that night, but will have to appear at a later date.
Frankly, I stopped with SW years ago, but my method was always carry a map book, opened and paper-clipped to the area, with a note for a non-existent street number. Oh, officer, I'm looking for this address and stopped to ask if she knows where this street is.