"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I would estimate 75% of them are on SA or SD4M or AM or another site. Don't waste your time!

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1879316]Any brother tried that website?

I made a few 100 per date offers and half of them got accepted, but I couldn't communicate with the girls.

You need to buy 100 credits ($50) to start unlocking their accepted offers for 20 credit each.

So if you don't cough up the $, you can't talk to any girl. At least SD4M and SA got some free monthly trial so you could give it a try.

This site looks a gold digger to me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;1879740]Thanks, BigTigger! I get the point of putting in a little investment. "priming the pump" so-to-speak. I will add this to my approach.[/QUOTE]If they balk at gas money, then you know it really is a waste of time. You can also say,"if we decide to do more than meet and greet, of course I will give more. I just don't want the giving to be unbalanced with were we are in our SD / SB relationship."

BT

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1879660]To good to be true, always . Bad oral hygiene[/QUOTE]I hate that. I don't understand. I am not a prude and I am not afraid to dive in there and play all kinds of kinky games.

But please come to the game smelling good. What is it with these women that don't understand this?

I thought that was a guy thing.

Anyway good point Tig.

Revvo

MW, what is ESP?

Extra Sensory Perception! Mind Reading. Not Extra Smelly Pussy!

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1879806]MW, what is ESP?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1879316]Any brother tried that website?

I made a few 100 per date offers and half of them got accepted, but I couldn't communicate with the girls.

You need to buy 100 credits ($50) to start unlocking their accepted offers for 20 credit each.

So if you don't cough up the $, you can't talk to any girl. At least SD4M and SA got some free monthly trial so you could give it a try.

This site looks a gold digger to me.[/QUOTE]Check out Anderson Cooper 's show segment on WYP 12/10/2012. One woman was laughing about ripping off the guys who pay big bucks for wining and dining her. You could luck out and hit it off with your expensive date but this model is a loser as far as I can see. At least with SA sex is on the table unless otherwise stated. Saw a few profiles in my area sex was explicitly not an option. Really?

There are 10 charlatans for every real SB on WYP. I have a rotation of 4 or 5 girls that I've met off of there. Each one knew what the stakes were and what I was looking for. Only common sense and good communication will help you win. I've made it clear to several that M&G's were gratis, with exception to the meal and drinks they were getting. The ones that have a problem with it, and aren't even open to being offered gas money, are only gold-diggers and not interested in a true SD / SB relationship.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1879847]Check out Anderson Cooper 's show segment on WYP 12/10/2012. One woman was laughing about ripping off the guys who pay big bucks for wining and dining her. You could luck out and hit it off with your expensive date but this model is a loser as far as I can see. At least with SA sex is on the table unless otherwise stated. Saw a few profiles in my area sex was explicitly not an option. Really?[/QUOTE]

About 5 yrs agoI met a girl off of a local social site specific to my area. We met for lunch and I gave her a $50 gift card after our meeting. I do not usually offer funds to meet but if I like the girl I will then give them a spiff. She was way UTR and from conversation etc I was likely her first SD into the bowl. We did not even talk money etc until after our lunch. I texted her and asked if she still had an interest and she said yes. So I made an offer of an allowance of $1200 meh. I said how often would she be available and she said whenever I wanted. She does have a 2 yr old at the time. Annnnnd so were off after our next meeting. Blonde. 5" 5' blue eyes fit. Seems nice enough but has grown up in a difficult background. Pretty good in the FC. And willing to have all entry ways filled. Some bondage etc. I have her on the green dot and tell her I will load 2x a mth $600. All good for the first meh. She made time when I wanted and heck. She even texted a couple times and said. I have a couple hours available you should come fuck me. So its like the 3rd payment on the card and I text her the code. I made an error. Left off or added a number so when she tried to reload it did not work. I am on the road driving and I get this text right out of the gate saying "WTF. Did you give me a fake code. I'm like ummm no. But I am driving and will check out what happened in a couple hours when I stop. She was like I need it right now. I'm like. Umm can't do. So in a couple hours I ck and get her the right number. Of course I am like WTF. But go back to the routine. Same thing happen about 6 weeks later. And she is like you better not be trying to f me over etc. I have since learned more about her background and can see where the explosive personality comes from. So. Now I am like how do I bail with minimal damage. Soo. I am perusing the SD sites under my fake profile (for the nubs. You should ALWAYS have 2 profiles. A real one and a fake one so you can double check your babies to see if they really shut down theirs). Annnnd she has now officially enetered the bowl herself. I do not say anything for a couple weeks. And then she is not as available as she use to be. You can guess why. Another SD. (FYI. Ground rules were no other SD's). So I lie and say some story about a couple bad months at work and Imay have to cut back on the allowance. She is like. Thats fine cause I have a new guy and is giving me $3k amth and a car. We have all heard that story. So I'm like thats fine. I wish you well. WELL. I'll be damned. I see pics posted of her on her local social site. Driving a BMW. Pics of her on trips. And new boobs to boot. This is all over about 4 mths time. Then I see her profile reappear on the SD site. Annnnnd no more BMW pics. So obviously she got snappy with her new SD and he said f off. I was of course like. I dodged a bullet and feel some sorrow for the new guy. But hey. Its the chances we take. She is on the SD site off and on over a couple years then no more. I find her on FB and friend her (using fake profile) just to monger. I see she is not working etc and complaining about money. So I say hey. You up to work something out (under my fake profile) and she is like yeah. A little back and forth and I offer her $300 to meet. She says she needs 3, 000. Yeah RIGHT. I say $300. She says my car needs work but can meet for $1500. Whatever. I end it there. Now we come to Aug 2013. I am pursing the BP ads and low and behold. She is not an escort. Now I do not wish her ill will and she has since had another child. So there are alot of unfortunate factors in her life. Which I wish better for any person. But she then is arrested for doing the deed. Its justa sotry of the rise and fall of a GPS. So to the baby's that peruse this forum. If you have a good SD. And he treats you fairly. Actually cares. And plans on having you around. Do not be so quick to cross the fence to the greener grass. Remember. That green grass probably has alot of fetilizer just below the surface!

[QUOTE=Marcus Weiner;1879834]Extra Sensory Perception! Mind Reading. Not Extra Smelly Pussy![/QUOTE]LOL. Glad it's not the latter.

Back when I was just getting into using SA and SDFM I did buy the minimum number of credits on there. I was pretty much trying all of the sites out. I went on 3 dates. All busts. Two were with women who ended up with profiles on SA. I'm not a fan of the credit-based sites anyway. They are definite boarder-edge rip offs. I do believe they either pay or give something to some women just to entice you into spending credits. I have an AM report that I'll post soon. They're also credit-based. I know someone on here was mentioning AF. They're credit-based also, right?

Travelin.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1879316]Any brother tried that website?

I made a few 100 per date offers and half of them got accepted, but I couldn't communicate with the girls.

You need to buy 100 credits ($50) to start unlocking their accepted offers for 20 credit each.

So if you don't cough up the $, you can't talk to any girl. At least SD4M and SA got some free monthly trial so you could give it a try.

This site looks a gold digger to me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1879847]Check out Anderson Cooper 's show segment on WYP 12/10/2012. One woman was laughing about ripping off the guys who pay big bucks for wining and dining her. You could luck out and hit it off with your expensive date but this model is a loser as far as I can see. At least with SA sex is on the table unless otherwise stated. Saw a few profiles in my area sex was explicitly not an option. Really?[/QUOTE]I think the WYP site puts an erroneous idea in their heads that sex does not have to be involved, and that guys will pay just for the pleasure of taking them out for drinks and dinner. It starts things out at an imbalance of power and I can't see how it can easily be surmounted. You've already demonstrated that you will pay for nothing, so why wouldn't they keep on offering you more of the same?

Now in all honesty, I've paid for dozens of coffees or white wines at m&gs and then things just never develop from there, but that is my choice to not pursue a relationship. I've also had a few babies from SA and SD4Me ask for compensation for their time to come to the m&g, but that doesn't even leave the starting gate. Only one time did I offer to give a baby money for gas, since she had driven an hour to meet me for lunch, and she totally freaked out and went postal on me! To this day I can't quite figure out why that made her so mad, but needless to say, her panties did not even come close to the floor!

I firmly believe that the kind of site like SA or SD, where the underlying implication is that if the two of you hit it off, have "chemistry", and agree on the sugar, the FC is the logical next stop, sets the same expectations in the minds of the SB and the SD. In all my years, I have never been tricked or ripped off by any baby, no matter how crazy they turn out to be.

Peace,

Scott

I know there was some talk a bit ago about AM. I've also tried them out. Again they fall under the sites that are credits-based rather than a monthly charge.

I've bought credits twice on there. I'm 57, in good shape, not super handsome, but not ugly either, well-educated and can write fairly well. I've sent out 132 messages to women who were in their 20s to 40s. In all of that I have received two responses. One from a fairly hot 30 year old who I've had an on-going email relationship. I don't think she ever wants to really meet, she just wants to feel naughty by communicating with me. The other was a 30 year old, recently divorced, fugly. She seemed hot to trot, but I just couldn't bring myself to go through with it I found her so unattractive.

My opinion is that unless you are under 45, good looking, in great shape, and have lots of game, you're wasting your money. The ladies are pretty much in control there. The attractive ones get literally hundreds of responses and pretty much have their pick. And they are VERY picky. The majority of them are married which means to take the risk of having an affair they want it to be with their "perfect" man. The single ones are mostly looking for a sugar daddy or are UTR escorts. I have seen a few on there that had SA profiles as well. Even the 40s ones are cougars mostly looking for younger boy-toys. And I'll bet they're finding them.

I also feel that they also in some way compensate women to lure you into chat where you really burn the credits. I did receive a couple of offers to chat, and I always replied with my email and yahoo messenger info. I never heard from them there, LOL.

Anyway, that's my experience.

Travelin

The recent discussions of the different sites where the babies hang out got me thinking.

Is it possible to rate the sites by ROI or CPP (cost per pop).

Frankly, I have found the most success from CL, yea it's a big miss and very little hit. As a matter of fact, my new ATF was found on CL. But I think CL is probably the cheapest place to find pussies (there's no monthly charge, credit cost, etc). But at the same time lots of work to find a good gem.

My next successful sources of finding babies are SA and then SD4M. SA has more babies, and of higher qualities then SD4M, at least in my areas. However, the SA girls seem to demand more sugar where I live.

It seems that AM and WYP is really a lost cause and probably fall somewhere at the bottom. Too much upfront costs and lots of GPS girls. Heck, I've seen guys have much more success from dating sites such as Cupid or POF with minimal cost / effort compare to what I've seen with AM / WYP.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1880297]The recent discussions of the different sites where the babies hang out got me thinking.

Is it possible to rate the sites by ROI or CPP (cost per pop).

Frankly, I have found the most success from CL, yea it's a big miss and very little hit. As a matter of fact, my new ATF was found on CL. But I think CL is probably the cheapest place to find pussies (there's no monthly charge, credit cost, etc). But at the same time lots of work to find a good gem.

My next successful sources of finding babies are SA and then SD4M. SA has more babies, and of higher qualities then SD4M, at least in my areas. However, the SA girls seem to demand more sugar where I live.

It seems that AM and WYP is really a lost cause and probably fall somewhere at the bottom. Too much upfront costs and lots of GPS girls. Heck, I've seen guys have much more success from dating sites such as Cupid or POF with minimal cost / effort compare to what I've seen with AM / WYP.[/QUOTE]I don't like SA. I like SD4M. I used to get hits off CL, but no more. AM and WYP seem like a ripoff from what I have read.

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