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Thinking of hitting the black next week and was wondering if there had been any recent visits by anyone.
If I do go I will certainly post a review.
I am hoping things might be getting better, I was considering trying escorts but my experience there a few years back was not good. I either got robbed, or the provider was almost a cadaver.
I made a mistake and stopped into the Millstream a couple weeks ago on a Friday night. First there was a $10 cover charge. Second, there were a lot of girls working, so much so that they had three girls dancing at the same time and each one gets down and walks to every guy in the place to get their $1. Drinks were ridiculously priced. I bought a drink for myself and a drink for a dancer and it was $40 plus the $10 to walk in.
Of the entertainment, only TWO were worth looking at. All the rest are heavily tatted up and / or over weight. The dance prices are also out of control. They have alist of room costs but hat is just the fee that goes to the club, the dancer will expect double the amount. No thanks.
[QUOTE=TheNewestGuy;6487366]I made a mistake and stopped into the Millstream a couple weeks ago on a Friday night. First there was a $10 cover charge. Second, there were a lot of girls working, so much so that they had three girls dancing at the same time and each one gets down and walks to every guy in the place to get their $1. Drinks were ridiculously priced. I bought a drink for myself and a drink for a dancer and it was $40 plus the $10 to walk in.
Of the entertainment, only TWO were worth looking at. All the rest are heavily tatted up and / or over weight. The dance prices are also out of control. They have alist of room costs but hat is just the fee that goes to the club, the dancer will expect double the amount. No thanks.[/QUOTE]That's true. Penthouse in downtown Baltimore is the same way. These days in strip clubs you're paying money to be around ugly women! It's a bad calculus. I've been getting some lap dances at Penthouse and thinking to myself, "Why am I paying all this $$$ to be with ugly and flat-chested deviants?" The civil dating situation is also dire these days, and there are no women there either, but honestly, the quality of these girls is only marginally better than the "low-hanging fruit" you should be able to get for free on Tinder (the "civil" 1's and 2's). I often drive to Penthouse in the hope of seeing at least a 5+ and leave immediately when I see what's on offer. It's the opposite of the attractive 7's and 8's I enjoyed in MPs when they were available in the 2000's in Baltimore. I just hope the dating market improves from its current lows (maybe with a rise in divorce) and mainstream women will at least be obtainable in the civil world. Even a civil 5/10 would be better than the current trash at these strip clubs, and I'm not talking about the Block, but about the more upscale establishments. It was a very different situation 15-20 years ago. Back then the commercial scene was preferable, because there were a lot of attractive options there, but now it's just collapsed.
You are totally correct. I met three women in the early 2000's who were in Playboy and in the 9-10 who were stripping. Today it is really hard finding 7 or 8's in clubs because all the really attractive women are doing OFs. I have met a few at Penthouse lately during dayshift but it is hit and miss.
[QUOTE=Visitor1980;6492922]That's true. Penthouse in downtown Baltimore is the same way. These days in strip clubs you're paying money to be around ugly women! It's a bad calculus. I've been getting some lap dances at Penthouse and thinking to myself, "Why am I paying all this $$$ to be with ugly and flat-chested deviants?" The civil dating situation is also dire these days, and there are no women there either, but honestly, the quality of these girls is only marginally better than the "low-hanging fruit" you should be able to get for free on Tinder (the "civil" 1's and 2's). I often drive to Penthouse in the hope of seeing at least a 5+ and leave immediately when I see what's on offer. It's the opposite of the attractive 7's and 8's I enjoyed in MPs when they were available in the 2000's in Baltimore. I just hope the dating market improves from its current lows (maybe with a rise in divorce) and mainstream women will at least be obtainable in the civil world. Even a civil 5/10 would be better than the current trash at these strip clubs, and I'm not talking about the Block, but about the more upscale establishments. It was a very different situation 15-20 years ago. Back then the commercial scene was preferable, because there were a lot of attractive options there, but now it's just collapsed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sleeves3961;6487286]Thinking of hitting the black next week and was wondering if there had been any recent visits by anyone.
If I do go I will certainly post a review.
I am hoping things might be getting better, I was considering trying escorts but my experience there a few years back was not good. I either got robbed, or the provider was almost a cadaver.[/QUOTE]If you're looking for attractive escorts have you tried [URL]Eros.com[/URL]? I've had good luck over the years using that. It's isn't cheap, an hour is usually $300-$500 depending on the quality and level of services offered but some of these women are very attractive, at least in my opinion. As expensive as the strip clubs are today I think it's a pretty good option.
[QUOTE=CaptainWillard;6495305]If you're looking for attractive escorts have you tried [URL]Eros.com[/URL]? I've had good luck over the years using that. It's isn't cheap, an hour is usually $300-$500 depending on the quality and level of services offered but some of these women are very attractive, at least in my opinion. As expensive as the strip clubs are today I think it's a pretty good option.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestion, and I have thought about the expense of the block vs escorts for sure. Eros seems more expensive than you mentioned, the ones who put rates in the adds seem to be $660 and up. So I will have to look again. Are there any in that 3 - 5 hundred price range you might recommend?
The other problems with escorts include the need for verification, I am not crazy about providing name address etc, do you do this? Deposits. , I assume EROS ladies require such?, and getting robbed, eros cannot prevent that right? I would think the best protection from getting robbed, is reviews that state such, I cannot find reviews on the eros site. Do they exist?
At least on the block you get robbed without the drama of BF threating you, they just keep taking your money.
[QUOTE=ShadowBK;6314535]The lap dances were average, but both of girls went topless and allowed touching. It's been a long time since I had topless lap dances. I don't know if topless lap dances are standard, but based on previous reviews it seems to be. The lap dances cost $30 each and they take place in a separate section near the bathrooms, with dividers between the couches for more privacy. I don't know about VIP or if girls do take out. Parking is small, but there is a overflow lot across the club. BTW, Night Shift isn't listed on Google Maps anymore, which is strange.[/QUOTE]I was there a week or so ago, and it seems topless dances are the norm.
I asked, and was told VIP (room has a curtain for privacy) is $200 and totally nude. But the supposedly no grinding by the girls, not sure if roaming is allowed.
There were 3. 5 girls dancing. Two quite cute. The. 5 was a girl that dances at some other club that they talked into dancing, as they were a bit short of girls.
[QUOTE=Swpc10;6503134]I was there a week or so ago, and it seems topless dances are the norm.
I asked, and was told VIP (room has a curtain for privacy) is $200 and totally nude. But the supposedly no grinding by the girls, not sure if roaming is allowed.
There were 3. 5 girls dancing. Two quite cute. The. 5 was a girl that dances at some other club that they talked into dancing, as they were a bit short of girls.[/QUOTE]The girl I get a room with at NS doesn't go full nude but allows touching in most places just not between the legs. She def was grinding though.
[QUOTE=Visitor1980;6492922]That's true. Penthouse in downtown Baltimore is the same way. These days in strip clubs you're paying money to be around ugly women! It's a bad calculus. I've been getting some lap dances at Penthouse and thinking to myself, "Why am I paying all this $$$ to be with ugly and flat-chested deviants?" The civil dating situation is also dire these days, and there are no women there either, but honestly, the quality of these girls is only marginally better than the "low-hanging fruit" you should be able to get for free on Tinder (the "civil" 1's and 2's). I often drive to Penthouse in the hope of seeing at least a 5+ and leave immediately when I see what's on offer. It's the opposite of the attractive 7's and 8's I enjoyed in MPs when they were available in the 2000's in Baltimore. I just hope the dating market improves from its current lows (maybe with a rise in divorce) and mainstream women will at least be obtainable in the civil world. Even a civil 5/10 would be better than the current trash at these strip clubs, and I'm not talking about the Block, but about the more upscale establishments. It was a very different situation 15-20 years ago. Back then the commercial scene was preferable, because there were a lot of attractive options there, but now it's just collapsed.[/QUOTE]I play poker with a single guy. He is nice looking and works for the government, so he has a decent income. Even he has trouble finding decent women to date. He showed me an interesting article. The gist of the article was civil ladies are all looking for mister perfect. This even includes the fat ugly one. They want the good looking guys with a good body and an upper six figure income. According to the article, if you are the guy they are all looking for, you can fuck a different lady every night of the week. All the ladies are hoping to hit the jackpot. Of course according to the article, many of these guys have figured out what is going on and are just enjoying the buffet. Of course the article was much more tactful in how they said this.
[QUOTE=SyntorX;6503878]I play poker with a single guy. He is nice looking and works for the government, so he has a decent income. Even he has trouble finding decent women to date. He showed me an interesting article. The gist of the article was civil ladies are all looking for mister perfect. This even includes the fat ugly one. They want the good looking guys with a good body and an upper six figure income. According to the article, if you are the guy they are all looking for, you can fuck a different lady every night of the week. All the ladies are hoping to hit the jackpot. Of course according to the article, many of these guys have figured out what is going on and are just enjoying the buffet. Of course the article was much more tactful in how they said this.[/QUOTE]That's not really the issue. On Tinder, even if you simply browse the available women, there are no regular available ones who are above a 4/10, and the female profiles are mostly scammers (around 80%). The issue is the low divorce rate, the lowest it's been in 50 years.
[QUOTE=Visitor1980;6504776]That's not really the issue. On Tinder, even if you simply browse the available women, there are no regular available ones who are above a 4/10, and the female profiles are mostly scammers (around 80%). The issue is the low divorce rate, the lowest it's been in 50 years.[/QUOTE]The divorce rate is low because the marriage rate is also at the lowesst it's been for the past 50 years. People are also passing on the idea or having kids. At that point, what's the benefit of getting married.
[QUOTE=Visitor1980;6492922]The civil dating situation is also dire these days, and there are no women there either, but honestly, the quality of these girls is only marginally better than the "low-hanging fruit" you should be able to get for free on Tinder (the "civil" 1's and 2's).
I just hope the dating market improves from its current lows (maybe with a rise in divorce) and mainstream women will at least be obtainable in the civil world. Even a civil 5/10 would be better than the current trash at these strip clubs, and I'm not talking about the Block, but about the more upscale establishments. It was a very different situation 15-20 years ago. Back then the commercial scene was preferable, because there were a lot of attractive options there, but now it's just collapsed.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SyntorX;6503878]I play poker with a single guy. He is nice looking and works for the government, so he has a decent income. Even he has trouble finding decent women to date. He showed me an interesting article. The gist of the article was civil ladies are all looking for mister perfect. This even includes the fat ugly one. They want the good looking guys with a good body and an upper six figure income. According to the article, if you are the guy they are all looking for, you can fuck a different lady every night of the week. All the ladies are hoping to hit the jackpot. Of course according to the article, many of these guys have figured out what is going on and are just enjoying the buffet. Of course the article was much more tactful in how they said this.[/QUOTE]I recently got out of the SW / Escort / SB world and into a vanilla relationship and my experience with finding good looking affluent women in the DMV has been very good. Although I'm not particularly good looking or rich and have my baggage, I'd say when I was actively dating last Fall, I pretty much was able to date above my pay grade exclusively. These women were a good 10 years younger than me, intelligent, beautiful (in the eyes of the beholder of course but say many looked similar Mario Bello or Naomi Watts, I guess you are getting my type, skinny, blonde and decent tits), skinny, pretty much nice tits / arse and were all professional (not that kind LOL), I mean they were all drawing in 6 figure regular jobs. Like I said, I'm not particularly good looking but I am fit, physically active and fairly intelligent, meaning I can carry on an interesting conversation with just about anyone.
What you can't do in the vanilla world is go in thinking you go in and get to first base on the first or second date. Tinder has a bit of an instant gratification vibe and you are not going to find these top shelf women there. They may dabble in Tinder but not when they get serious about a relationship. Paying websites (Match) is the only way to go, when one has to pay, one gets serious and eliminates the flakes. Plenty of Fish is free but many on there have the attention-span of a housefly, next good-smelling shit and they are gone. The approach has to genuine and focused on her but the variety is incredible. The DMV has one of the highest women: men ratios in the country. The women here are intelligent and financially well off. So we do have the odds in our favor unlike in Alaska were the women say that their odds are good but the goods are odd! I think having some charm and wit goes a long way here. I had dates almost every night if I wanted and was pretty much able to have sex with the ones I clicked by date #3, think my batting average was 33-50%? Now, to be clear, this is not sustainable because these women expect a relationship, mostly monogamous. So you may go in an hit it once or twice but if you want variety, it'll be very clear to them that is what you are doing and they will drop you. Like I said these women are not stupid, they are intelligent, mostly divorced, and know of all the tricks their exs- did.
I did find my intelligent (she's smarter than I am) skinny blonde with big tits unicorn (she was even okay with me seeing other women initially) but we have settled down to a nice rhythm and I get all the sex I want. If this sad old guy can do it, any of you can do it, you just have to want to do it. By habit I still peruse USASexGuide but am just an observer these days. Good luck and have fun out there no matter what route you choose. Maybe this should be in Rants & Raves.
[QUOTE=OldChineseGuy;6505107]I recently got out of the SW / Escort / SB world and into a vanilla relationship and my experience with finding good looking affluent women in the DMV has been very good. [/QUOTE]Yes, I agree with you within the context of the DMV. This area attracts workaholics of both sexes (yes, there are only two) who don't have time for a traditional relationship. The workaholics don't have time to play in the sugar bowl because that takes time away from work. But, their hormones are raging just like any other young woman. I have a couple of DC "power woman" f**k buddies over the years that were spectacular with literally no strings attached. When they got wet "down there" they called. No donation of any kind was exchanged. You meet them at work and at the typical DC social and political events.
[QUOTE=OldChineseGuy;6505107]I recently got out of the SW / Escort / SB world and into a vanilla relationship and my experience with finding good looking affluent women in the DMV has been very good. Although I'm not particularly good looking or rich and have my baggage, I'd say when I was actively dating last Fall, I pretty much was able to date above my pay grade exclusively. These women were a good 10 years younger than me, intelligent, beautiful (in the eyes of the beholder of course but say many looked similar Mario Bello or Naomi Watts, I guess you are getting my type, skinny, blonde and decent tits), skinny, pretty much nice tits / arse and were all professional (not that kind LOL), I mean they were all drawing in 6 figure regular jobs. Like I said, I'm not particularly good looking but I am fit, physically active and fairly intelligent, meaning I can carry on an interesting conversation with just about anyone.
What you can't do in the vanilla world is go in thinking you go in and get to first base on the first or second date. Tinder has a bit of an instant gratification vibe and you are not going to find these top shelf women there. They may dabble in Tinder but not when they get serious about a relationship. Paying websites (Match) is the only way to go, when one has to pay, one gets serious and eliminates the flakes. Plenty of Fish is free but many on there have the attention-span of a housefly, next good-smelling shit and they are gone. The approach has to genuine and focused on her but the variety is incredible. The DMV has one of the highest women: men ratios in the country. The women here are intelligent and financially well off. So we do have the odds in our favor unlike in Alaska were the women say that their odds are good but the goods are odd! I think having some charm and wit goes a long way here. I had dates almost every night if I wanted and was pretty much able to have sex with the ones I clicked by date #3, think my batting average was 33-50%? Now, to be clear, this is not sustainable because these women expect a relationship, mostly monogamous. So you may go in an hit it once or twice but if you want variety, it'll be very clear to them that is what you are doing and they will drop you. Like I said these women are not stupid, they are intelligent, mostly divorced, and know of all the tricks their exs- did.
I did find my intelligent (she's smarter than I am) skinny blonde with big tits unicorn (she was even okay with me seeing other women initially) but we have settled down to a nice rhythm and I get all the sex I want. If this sad old guy can do it, any of you can do it, you just have to want to do it. By habit I still peruse USASexGuide but am just an observer these days. Good luck and have fun out there no matter what route you choose. Maybe this should be in Rants & Raves.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I do not know which site he was using, but I will mention someone said to try Match. He went on two dates. One lady was using deceptive pictures that hid how overweight she was. The second lady had just signed up on the site and "was trying to figure out how to upload pictures". He said he liked to exercise and was looking for someone physically fit. She said she exercised all the time and she was fit. He was unpleasantly surprised when he met her. He said when he would be any of us she weighed over 450 lbs.
[QUOTE=SyntorX;6507652]Thanks, I do not know which site he was using, but I will mention someone said to try Match. He went on two dates. One lady was using deceptive pictures that hid how overweight she was. The second lady had just signed up on the site and "was trying to figure out how to upload pictures". He said he liked to exercise and was looking for someone physically fit. She said she exercised all the time and she was fit. He was unpleasantly surprised when he met her. He said when he would be any of us she weighed over 450 lbs.[/QUOTE]Damn he got two women out right lying to him and the one he did meet what was she thinking?.