Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=TallGuy54;4743685]I'm not trying to start an argument here. But the only thing you got right about Hilary was that she wasn't likeable.

Her Resume was never Stellar. Both Clinton's had way to many scandals. But if she had been President. Do you really think she would have handled this Covid19 any better than Trump? And if you think she would have handled it better, then maybe you forgot how she handled Benghazi.[/QUOTE]Benghazi = 4 deaths.

And hate to break it to you dude. It wasn't her fault.

The US ambassador was warned NOT to travel to the area as it was becoming hostel, but did so anyways.

The congressional investigation committee (republican majority) found no wrong doing by the Obama administration / staff (Hilary).

Facts are so annoying aren't they!

[QUOTE=TallGuy54;4743685]I'm not trying to start an argument here. But the only thing you got right about Hilary was that she wasn't likeable.

Her Resume was never Stellar. Both Clinton's had way to many scandals. But if she had been President. Do you really think she would have handled this Covid19 any better than Trump? And if you think she would have handled it better, then maybe you forgot how she handled Benghazi.[/QUOTE]Yea the only thing that was even mildly of issue was a state dept facility that didn't have proper security. Everything else checked out after 2 years of investigations. Yes I do, without a shadow of a doubt, think she would have handled this better. I also think that literally anyone else would've handled it better than trump.

[QUOTE=TallGuy54;4743685]I'm not trying to start an argument here. But the only thing you got right about Hilary was that she wasn't likeable.

Her Resume was never Stellar. Both Clinton's had way to many scandals. But if she had been President. Do you really think she would have handled this Covid19 any better than Trump? And if you think she would have handled it better, then maybe you forgot how she handled Benghazi.[/QUOTE]Seriously? How does Benghazi compare to this? How does an armed surprise military attack on an embassy that killed four Americans compare to a global pandemic that the US President has been warned about months before decisive action was done?

STFU about Benghazi already because 4 years and 9 GOP congressional panels did not find any evidence of wrong doing.

[QUOTE=Muncher2323;4743734]Yea the only thing that was even mildly of issue was a state dept facility that didn't have proper security. Everything else checked out after 2 years of investigations. Yes I do, without a shadow of a doubt, think she would have handled this better. I also think that literally anyone else would've handled it better than trump.[/QUOTE]The only thing wrong with Hillary is that she wasn't likeable? She couldn't even get the "reset" button right. Remember that? With the Russians? You know, the people that Trump was investigated about for THREE years and everything checked out OK. And you think she could have done a better job? Wow--got to disagree with you on that one. I love the way you Trump Haters just won't let go. For crying out loud, Man, give the guy a break. He's spending every waking hour on this mess and doing everything humanly possible. Is it perfect? Of course not but I have a hard time believing that anyone could have been prepared to handle this because NOBODY saw it coming.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;4743813]You know, the people that Trump was investigated about for THREE years and everything checked out OK.

I have a hard time believing that anyone could have been prepared to handle this because NOBODY saw it coming.[/QUOTE]Everything checked out OK??

NOBODY saw it coming??

That is two of the stupidest statements and funniest too I have ever heard. And I AM A REPUBLICAN!

"I have a hard time believing that anyone could have been prepared to handle this because NOBODY saw it coming. " This should be my motto. MF

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4743821]Everything checked out OK??

NOBODY saw it coming??

That is two of the stupidest statements and funniest too I have ever heard. And I AM A REPUBLICAN![/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Kenal1;4743813]The only thing wrong with Hillary is that she wasn't likeable? She couldn't even get the "reset" button right. Remember that? With the Russians? You know, the people that Trump was investigated about for THREE years and everything checked out OK. And you think she could have done a better job? Wow--got to disagree with you on that one. I love the way you Trump Haters just won't let go. For crying out loud, Man, give the guy a break. He's spending every waking hour on this mess and doing everything humanly possible. Is it perfect? Of course not but I have a hard time believing that anyone could have been prepared to handle this because NOBODY saw it coming.[/QUOTE]Did you ever see a photo of the "Reset button. " Red button on a yellow box. That button is universally known as an E-STOP (emergency stop) button on industrial equipment world wide.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;4743813] [b]For crying out loud, Man, give the guy a break. He's spending every waking hour on this mess and doing everything humanly possible. Is it perfect? Of course not but I have a hard time believing that anyone could have been prepared to handle this because NOBODY saw it coming.[/b][/QUOTE]Why on earth would you believe this silly bullshit?

[QUOTE=DNut;4743326]Remember how his opponent got 3 million more votes than he did?[/QUOTE]Electoral College.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;4743813]The only thing wrong with Hillary is that she wasn't likeable? She couldn't even get the "reset" button right. Remember that? With the Russians? You know, the people that Trump was investigated about for THREE years and everything checked out OK. And you think she could have done a better job? Wow--got to disagree with you on that one. I love the way you Trump Haters just won't let go. For crying out loud, Man, give the guy a break. He's spending every waking hour on this mess and doing everything humanly possible. Is it perfect? Of course not but I have a hard time believing that anyone could have been prepared to handle this because NOBODY saw it coming.[/QUOTE]Kenal, I respect you as a senior. The assumption nobody saw this coming is so very wrong. There have been scenario trainings on just this very type situation since at least 2004. The funniest part is that the last scenario training for a pandemic type flu was back in October 2019.
The facts are the strategic national stockpile has not been maintained as it was supposed to be. Trump fired the pandemic response command staff and doubled up titles for personnel to make up for it, which didn't really replace the people that are needed. Third he is / was more concerned with economic welfare of the top 1%, than he was the medical welfare of our country. His response was "Its just going to go away quickly", when it was in Washington state and the cruise ship. He was egotistical in his approach and that is why we are where we are.
IF he would have shut down areas quicker and provided federal help in contact tracing we would have already been back to somewhat normal. This is far from over, his desire to open the economy up quickly is going to result in a second peak wave of illness. Lets see what happens! Be safe and keep your distance. Be part of the solution. Not part of the problem. P.S. I'm a republican and probably not going to vote for him again.

[QUOTE=GolfGuy;4743467]Hillbilly pieces of shit? Thanks for that. I'm neither a hillbilly or a piece of shit. Given the choices he was the lesser of 2 evils.

Narcissistic? Maybe. But what successful businessman or salesman isn't, so some extent.

Sociopath? Doubtful.

Woman hating? Again, highly doubtful.

Lying? Who in politics doesn't lie? Neither hear nor there.

Reality show star? Check.

Thief? Well, debateable at best.

So basically because you don't care for him he's bad. Probably the best President you'll see in your lifetime. Get ready for 4 more years of awesome!

Golfguy, playing through.[/QUOTE]I voted for Trump and even though I am not a fan of his, and I will probably vote for him again. Even though I can't stand his asinine comments and blowhard personality. He reminds me of a 12 year old with his stupid comments and nicknames. If he stopped that (which he will never do, its part of him), he would have had an approval rating in the 60's before all this covid-19 crap reared its ugly head.

I think he falls under the right message, wrong messenger category. Its time to rid this country of political bullshit and get back to doing what they are elected to do, governing for the people, not the party. I am an Independent but tend to lean towards the right on most issues.

What I do find slight ironic is some people are on here bashing him for his lack of morals, LOL.

This is a website for guys that PAY FOR PUSSY for chrissakes!

[QUOTE=Ronnie0927;4743728]Benghazi = 4 deaths.

And hate to break it to you dude. It wasn't her fault.

The US ambassador was warned NOT to travel to the area as it was becoming hostel, but did so anyways.

The congressional investigation committee (republican majority) found no wrong doing by the Obama administration / staff (Hilary).

Facts are so annoying aren't they![/QUOTE]You still fail to see the point. There was a call for help. And she told the Air Force to Stand Down. By now, didn't matter that the Ambassador was told not to go. But what did matter was, there was a call for help, and she told them to stand down. And what was that other comment she made. What does it matter? It mattered to their families.

[QUOTE=Muncher2323;4743734]Yea the only thing that was even mildly of issue was a state dept facility that didn't have proper security. Everything else checked out after 2 years of investigations. Yes I do, without a shadow of a doubt, think she would have handled this better. I also think that literally anyone else would've handled it better than trump.[/QUOTE]Hillary, nor anyone else would have handled it much differently in the beginning.

In late January, WHO could not reach a consensus on as if the virus constituted a public health emergency. Even Dr. Fauci, in late January downplayed the effects the virus would have, the list of people that didn't see it coming are well documented if you Google the subject. While you are at it, Google World Map of Covid-19 and see that is is literally EVERYWHERE IN THE FUCKING WORLD. So using your analogy, I guess EVERY LEADER OF EVERY COUNTRY is as inept as Donald Trump? Pull up a map, every tiny island in the Pacific has it.

I don't care who the President was at the time, short of banning ALL international travel into this county in early January, including US CITIZENS from abroad, it would not have mattered. When he banned Chinese nationals in late January, he was labeled a xenophobe, even Joe Biden chimed in saying it wasnt the time for hysteria and a xenophobic response.

Now, ban all travel, shut down businesses and all the other bullshit we are dealing with. We would still have it as it only takes one person to start the shotgun effect. Lets say we don't have that one person in the you. S and we stay virus free. Would Trump, or Hillary, or any other President get credit for all the saved lives? FUCK NO! The opposition would rake them over the coals for trashing our economy, over reacting for nothing! Its called politics.

So, what is the other response, wait until it becomes a problem and then respond. Granted, Trumps response has lacked in certain areas but excelled in others. Once again, he is a fucking blowhard that cannot control calling people out, shifting blame and taking credit where sometimes its not deserving, but a lot of good things have happened as well in the past few weeks.

True, he is looking at this from an electable standpoint, once again, that's politics, every decision all these assholes make is based on it and he is no different.

Sorry for the rant but I will leave you all with this. Last week, A2 was correct, if you are under 50, healthy, your chance of dying from this shit is basically zero. Look at the death rate broken down, the vast majority are elderly people with underlying medical conditions, hypertension, respiratory, cancer, etc. We should quarantine all of the high risk people and let the majority get back to work. Hell, we could have manufacturers make everyone hazmat suits and face shields for less than the $1200 they are doling out, not too mention the 4 months of unemployment at your current rate of pay, not too mention all the money they are paying out if you get it, have to care for someone that has it or have to stay home with your kids due to schools being closed.

Whats another $2 trillion onto the $21 trillion in debt we currently have? Congress is working on another stimulus bill now that is even larger! Print more money! We better end all of this shit soon or it will take a decade or more to dig out of the economic hole we are digging, it will make the 1930's look like a recession. Some of the models show 35%+ unemployment. Stock market tanking, house prices halved, retirement portfolios wiped out. The cure cannot be worse than the disease itself.

Left or Right, it really doesn't matter. It all comes down to intelligence. In order to survive in this country, you have to be smart and educated. Those are two things that are severely lacking in our country. America is a bad place to live if you are uneducated. You are doomed and will forever be the hamster on the wheel.

Some of the comments I have heard about Trump are hilarious, but the best is the one that he might be the best President that we will see in our lifetime. I would put him at the bottom of the list of all Presidents since 1980, even behind Bush.

Like him or hate him; he is comedy gold. You couldn't make some of this stuff up if you tried. He does entertain me and is probably the funniest president I have seen to date. I will give you that; for sure.

[QUOTE=DrDave39;4743306]He actually wanted HIS signature to be on the checks!

[URL]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-wants-his-signature-to-appear-on-coronavirus-stimulus-checks-2020-03-28[/URL]

Remember the "Trump coronavirus instructions" you got in the mail?

Narcissism 101- "I take all the credit. You take all the blame".

As Jim Jaimes said, the scary part is just how many Americans are such stupid authoritarian sheep that they actually see him as a "leader". The lead lemming, maybe.

The good dr.[/QUOTE]

If you dipshits put as much thought into voting and other actions as you did into posting on a hooker board, well, what a wonderful world it would be, right?

[QUOTE=LurkinGround;4744254]Hillary, nor anyone else would have handled it much differently in the beginning.

In late January, WHO could not reach a consensus on as if the virus constituted a public health emergency. Even Dr. Fauci, in late January downplayed the effects the virus would have, the list of people that didn't see it coming are well documented if you Google the subject. While you are at it, Google World Map of Covid-19 and see that is is literally EVERYWHERE IN THE FUCKING WORLD. So using your analogy, I guess EVERY LEADER OF EVERY COUNTRY is as inept as Donald Trump? Pull up a map, every tiny island in the Pacific has it.

I don't care who the President was at the time, short of banning ALL international travel into this county in early January, including US CITIZENS from abroad, it would not have mattered. When he banned Chinese nationals in late January, he was labeled a xenophobe, even Joe Biden chimed in saying it wasnt the time for hysteria and a xenophobic response.

Now, ban all travel, shut down businesses and all the other bullshit we are dealing with. We would still have it as it only takes one person to start the shotgun effect. Lets say we don't have that one person in the you. S and we stay virus free. Would Trump, or Hillary, or any other President get credit for all the saved lives? FUCK NO! The opposition would rake them over the coals for trashing our economy, over reacting for nothing! Its called politics.

So, what is the other response, wait until it becomes a problem and then respond. Granted, Trumps response has lacked in certain areas but excelled in others. Once again, he is a fucking blowhard that cannot control calling people out, shifting blame and taking credit where sometimes its not deserving, but a lot of good things have happened as well in the past few weeks.

True, he is looking at this from an electable standpoint, once again, that's politics, every decision all these assholes make is based on it and he is no different.

Sorry for the rant but I will leave you all with this. Last week, A2 was correct, if you are under 50, healthy, your chance of dying from this shit is basically zero. Look at the death rate broken down, the vast majority are elderly people with underlying medical conditions, hypertension, respiratory, cancer, etc. We should quarantine all of the high risk people and let the majority get back to work. Hell, we could have manufacturers make everyone hazmat suits and face shields for less than the $1200 they are doling out, not too mention the 4 months of unemployment at your current rate of pay, not too mention all the money they are paying out if you get it, have to care for someone that has it or have to stay home with your kids due to schools being closed.

Whats another $2 trillion onto the $21 trillion in debt we currently have? Congress is working on another stimulus bill now that is even larger! Print more money! We better end all of this shit soon or it will take a decade or more to dig out of the economic hole we are digging, it will make the 1930's look like a recession. Some of the models show 35%+ unemployment. Stock market tanking, house prices halved, retirement portfolios wiped out. The cure cannot be worse than the disease itself.[/QUOTE]I he only response I'm making is to your "if you're under 50" remark. This is entirely incorrect.

[QUOTE=LurkinGround;4744106]Electoral College.[/QUOTE]Minority rule.

[QUOTE=Twisted69;4744142]Kenal, I respect you as a senior. The assumption nobody saw this coming is so very wrong. There have been scenario trainings on just this very type situation since at least 2004. The funniest part is that the last scenario training for a pandemic type flu was back in October 2019.
The facts are the strategic national stockpile has not been maintained as it was supposed to be. Trump fired the pandemic response command staff and doubled up titles for personnel to make up for it, which didn't really replace the people that are needed. Third he is / was more concerned with economic welfare of the top 1%, than he was the medical welfare of our country. His response was "Its just going to go away quickly", when it was in Washington state and the cruise ship. He was egotistical in his approach and that is why we are where we are.
IF he would have shut down areas quicker and provided federal help in contact tracing we would have already been back to somewhat normal. This is far from over, his desire to open the economy up quickly is going to result in a second peak wave of illness. Lets see what happens! Be safe and keep your distance. Be part of the solution. Not part of the problem. P.S. I'm a republican and probably not going to vote for him again.[/QUOTE]He shut down air travel from China and Europe and he was called Racist, Xenophobic (sp) etc. Can you imagine the outcry if he shut down businesses, forced social distancing etc in January without a preponderance of evidence that we were in the midst of a Pandemic. The same people would have called him a DICTATOR or worse. That was the same time Nancy was walking the streets of Chiatown in SFO telling people NO BIG DEAL come shop and eat and de Blasio was doing the same in New York City.

[QUOTE=TickleJay;4741671]Learn the difference between Communism and Fascism. He is a fascist[/QUOTE]I'm not sure you know what the latter means, unless in your world someone has to be one or the other.

[QUOTE=TheDaytimer;4744984]He shut down air travel from China and Europe and he was called Racist, Xenophobic (sp) etc. Can you imagine the outcry if he shut down businesses, forced social distancing etc in January without a preponderance of evidence that we were in the midst of a Pandemic. The same people would have called him a DICTATOR or worse. That was the same time Nancy was walking the streets of Chiatown in SFO telling people NO BIG DEAL come shop and eat and de Blasio was doing the same in New York City.[/QUOTE]More stupidity from blind loyalists.

He didn't shut down air travel. 40,000 people have come here from China since the "shut down".

He as warned by several members of his own administration and he ignored them. He called it a hoax. He said it was no more than the flu and it would go away in April when it gets warmer. He says d anyone who wanted a test could get a test. He praised Xi of China in January and now he blames China. He lies. And he lies. And he lies. And he lies more.

And I am a republican. Who voted for Hillary. Simply because this incompetent con man has been blabbering stupidity his entire life and has no leadership abilities.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4745390]More stupidity from blind loyalists.

He didn't shut down air travel. 40,000 people have come here from China since the "shut down".

He as warned by several members of his own administration and he ignored them. He called it a hoax. He said it was no more than the flu and it would go away in April when it gets warmer. He says d anyone who wanted a test could get a test. He praised Xi of China in January and now he blames China. He lies. And he lies. And he lies. And he lies more.

And I am a republican. Who voted for Hillary. Simply because this incompetent con man has been blabbering stupidity his entire life and has no leadership abilities.[/QUOTE]Yeah because Hillary has always told the truth. Jesus.

[QUOTE=Muncher2323;4744790]I he only response I'm making is to your "if you'r%, sae under 50" remark. This is entirely incorrect.[/QUOTE]I wrote basically zero. The actual numbers as of today, broken down is 40-49, . 02 same percentage for 30-39,20-29 and 10-19. There are no fatalites fatalities listed for ages 0-9.

These numbers are compiled from known cases, meaning IF you were infected by covid-19. Take the ones not affected and the numbers drop down to basically nothing, which I believe is what I wrote in the first place actually.

When you live in a bubble and only hear what you want to hear.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4745390]More stupidity from blind loyalists.

He didn't shut down air travel. 40,000 people have come here from China since the "shut down".

He as warned by several members of his own administration and he ignored them. He called it a hoax. He said it was no more than the flu and it would go away in April when it gets warmer. He says d anyone who wanted a test could get a test. He praised Xi of China in January and now he blames China. He lies. And he lies. And he lies. And he lies more.

And I am a republican. Who voted for Hillary. Simply because this incompetent con man has been blabbering stupidity his entire life and has no leadership abilities.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BarnesMike32;4744808]Minority rule.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LurkinGround;4744106]Electoral College.[/QUOTE]No, it's not minority rule. If you like the popular vote it simply means you would like for California and New York to decide all federal elections (and that of course, would mean liberal, and of course most liberals would enjoy that). We are not a democracy, we are a democratic republic. The founders did not want a consolidation of one massive group of people to determine the outcome of federal elections. The electoral college intends to balance the power of the vote so that those in rural areas and less populous states are not forgotten. It may not be perfect, but it is a far cry better than having LA and NYC decide virtually every election, unless of course, you're a democrat.

What I find interesting is that everyone, and EVERY candidate that enters the race KNOWS that it is governed by the electoral college and that's how it works; they only seem to complain about it if it doesn't go their way.

I have no desire to further engage in the political debate here. It serves no point to do so.

[QUOTE=LurkinGround;4745508]I wrote basically zero. The actual numbers as of today, broken down is 40-49, . 02 same percentage for 30-39,20-29 and 10-19. There are no fatalites fatalities listed for ages 0-9.

These numbers are compiled from known cases, meaning IF you were infected by covid-19. Take the ones not affected and the numbers drop down to basically nothing, which I believe is what I wrote in the first place actually.[/QUOTE]I am not going to argue the fatality percentages because at this point anybody can speculate and use modeling to come up with a variety of different results!

That being said, there have been fatalities in the 0-9 range. As far as, the percentage that you mention for basically ages 10-49 being. 02 - do you mean 2 percent or 2/100 of a percent? If I were to rely on one of those it would be 2%, because even in the worst flu season in the last 20 or so years New York city has not had to use 600-700 body bags a day from the flu. This is with stay at home orders. Imagine the numbers if stay at home orders were not in place. Using 2% for all, just as an example and using a crude average from flu data from last 10 years of about 40,000 deaths that would mean 800,000 deaths at the rate with no social distancing and without compounding the number due to ventilators and ICU beds not available with surge.

This virus affects younger people differently, it creates a cytokine storm where the body's own immune system kicks in hyperdrive and basically kills itself. Same as Flu in younger people who die from the flu, but this virus is at least 2 x more contagious.

In middle age and older it damages the lungs in a pneumonia way, but in many different areas of the lungs instead of just one or two spots.

[QUOTE=Willow1535;4745600]When you live in a bubble and only hear what you want to hear.[/QUOTE]I don't watch fox news anymore.

[QUOTE=Cincyfunguy;4745733]No, it's not minority rule. If you like the popular vote it simply means you would like for California and New York to decide all federal elections (and that of course, would mean liberal, and of course most liberals would enjoy that). We are not a democracy, we are a democratic republic. The founders did not want a consolidation of one massive group of people to determine the outcome of federal elections. The electoral college intends to balance the power of the vote so that those in rural areas and less populous states are not forgotten. It may not be perfect, but it is a far cry better than having LA and NYC decide virtually every election, unless of course, you're a democrat.

What I find interesting is that everyone, and EVERY candidate that enters the race KNOWS that it is governed by the electoral college and that's how it works; they only seem to complain about it if it doesn't go their way.

I have no desire to further engage in the political debate here. It serves no point to do so.[/QUOTE]I see this a lot on all the righty political boards. What it really means is while you don't want liberals to win elections, you're perfectly fine with some dipshit in Idaho having a vote that counts 5 times more than someone in CA or NY. But that's OK, right?

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4746416]I see this a lot on all the righty political boards. What it really means is while you don't want liberals to win elections, you're perfectly fine with some dipshit in Idaho having a vote that counts 5 times more than someone in CA or NY. But that's fine, right?[/QUOTE]How does a vote in Idaho count 5 times more than someone in California? Idaho has 4 votes in the Electoral. California has 55. I personally don't want "dipshits" in California or New York making the decisions for me. Like one said earlier on here it's only when a Democrat loses an election that they say it should go off the popular vote. If you know going into a campaign that the popular vote doesn't get you elected and then you should campaign to win the electoral. Pretty simple.

That dipshit in Idaho is more and more likely to be a West Coaster who moved to the potato state to escape the ridiculous cost of living, high taxes, stifling government regulations, etc., they endured in California. The same can be said for Utah which is now entering the medium stage of purple. While Colorado is headed towards being blue over the next decade. Montana and Wyoming are in the early stages of turning purple. So, in time, things will change in the mountain west and electorial college will favor the blue state of mind.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4746416]I see this a lot on all the righty political boards. What it really means is while you don't want liberals to win elections, you're perfectly fine with some dipshit in Idaho having a vote that counts 5 times more than someone in CA or NY. But that's OK, right?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TigerKing;4745489]Yeah because Hillary has always told the truth. Jesus.[/QUOTE]Open your eyes tiger. Trump has told over 18,000 in three years. Not even close to the same by light years.

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;4746497]That dipshit in Idaho is more and more likely to be a West Coaster who moved to the potato state to escape the ridiculous cost of living, high taxes, stifling government regulations, etc., they endured in California. The same can be said for Utah which is now entering the medium stage of purple. While Colorado is headed towards being blue over the next decade. Montana and Wyoming are in the early stages of turning purple. So, in time, things will change in the mountain west and electorial college will favor the blue state of mind.[/QUOTE]Texas will be blue by 2030 and our party may never win another election thanks to hating on Hispanics. ☹65039;.

It's sad what our party's turned into thanks to racists like trump.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4746512]Texas will be blue by 2030 and our party may never win another election thanks to hating on Hispanics.

It's sad what our party's turned into thanks to racists like trump.[/QUOTE]Texas and Florida are both trending blue and will likely be reliable locked up EC votes for the Dems after 2024 or 2028.

I've already seen a few polls where FL could easily go blue this year.

A Republican winning a Presidential election in the near future is pretty much mission impossible.

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;4746497]That dipshit in Idaho is more and more likely to be a West Coaster who moved to the potato state to escape the ridiculous cost of living, high taxes, stifling government regulations, etc., they endured in California. The same can be said for Utah which is now entering the medium stage of purple. While Colorado is headed towards being blue over the next decade. Montana and Wyoming are in the early stages of turning purple. So, in time, things will change in the mountain west and electorial college will favor the blue state of mind.[/QUOTE]I think I saw an article a while back where a mayor of a small midwest town was running on a platform of chasing the California transplants out of the area. LOL.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4746512]Texas will be blue by 2030 and our party may never win another election thanks to hating on Hispanics. ☹65039;.

It's sad what our party's turned into thanks to racists like trump.[/QUOTE]The real irony is, that most Hispanics I've met tend to be conservative in their voting practices.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4746599]I think I saw an article a while back where a mayor of a small midwest town was running on a platform of chasing the California transplants out of the area. LOL.[/QUOTE]Sure is / was such a candidate.

[URL]https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/29/for-this-idaho-candidate-the-enemy-is-california-exodus/[/URL]

And there is this read about the Californimmigration.

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-west-coast-transplants-pour-in-a-small-idaho-town-has-a-big-dilemma-11579611600[/URL]

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4746505]Open your eyes tiger. Trump has told over 18,000 in three years. Not even close to the same by light years.[/QUOTE]My eyes are open. 18,000. Sounds legit. No telling how many lies were on Hillary's server she smashed and destroyed. Maybe 18,001.

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;4746654]Sure is / was such a candidate.

[URL]https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/29/for-this-idaho-candidate-the-enemy-is-california-exodus/[/URL]

And there is this read about the Californimmigration.

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-west-coast-transplants-pour-in-a-small-idaho-town-has-a-big-dilemma-11579611600[/URL][/QUOTE]Had to fish out my WSJ login info for that one. Usually reading on an iPad. Good article.

[QUOTE=TMeister;4746533]Texas and Florida are both trending blue and will likely be reliable locked up EC votes for the Dems after 2024 or 2028.

I've already seen a few polls where FL could easily go blue this year.

A Republican winning a Presidential election in the near future is pretty much mission impossible.[/QUOTE]There is a joke circulating in Germany:

"What borders on stupidity?

"Mexico and Canada!

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4746602]The real irony is, that most Hispanics I've met tend to be conservative in their voting practices.[/QUOTE]It's mostly an age thing. Latinos older than 55 vote Repub in a higher percentage than those under that age.

But overall, about 70% of all Latinos vote Democrat.

[URL]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/09/how-latinos-voted-in-2018-midterms/[/URL]

I try not to watch any of the cable "news" shows and choose to read / research things for myself. I also stay away from Facebook and Twitter as well. I only discuss politics with my friends. Some tend to lean one way or the other, but that doesn't bother me. I can't deal with people who are entrenched and stuck in that mode where they think that "their side" is superior. I consider myself to be a Libertarian. I have voted for both Republicans and Democrats in the past and will continue to base my decisions on the issues, rather than vote along party lines.

I think that we should all have to pass a test (civics, political science, math, etc,) before you can vote. Maybe even spelling! Everyone should be able to vote, but you should have a clue on how our government works.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4746277]I don't watch fox news anymore.[/QUOTE]