"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1877531]Great report! Hi-Five. Out of curiosity how much do you plan to give her per month?[/QUOTE]I set this up in a way that I am not committed to an X amount per week or month. I got her the Visa card so that when she needs something, she ask me and I'll load it up for her. From our talks so far, her needs seem modest but you know how quickly that can change. So, I am anticipating somewhere between 400-600 a month. If it turns out to me more than that, I'll have to re-assess the arrangement and make need to have a talk with her. The reason for the low budget is because I have to pay for the cab each time. 60, and the room which is another 60. That is 120 per FC date just for expenses.

So, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1877051]Hey Dawg! You have what is known in the biz as ____ an SO or wife. We all (mostly) have them now or have had them before. Guess why we are her in the Sugar Bowl. LOL That was obviously a rhetorical question.

A couple of important points here :

1) Pay as you go so your damage is limited.

Most of us who have been here long enough have lost money by being stiffed, blown off, or scammed. My recent loss amounted to $$.5, not insubstantial but one I can easily blow off as a lesson well learned (again). If you go on the SA Blog all of the SBs there seem to disdain PTP (Pay To Play ). The girls say they feel like hookers by getting cash in the pocketbook (well?) Some of you smoother guys do re loadable Debit Cards or other sweet and sensitive gifts, etc. I have always slipped cash in their Jeans pocket or purse and have never had anyone harrumph about being degraded.

2) Expect performance.

Don't ever forget you are the employer and she is not doing you a favor, she is working for you at the moment. Many of us, myself included, try to make this game more of an emotional experience because it does make it more fun and rewarding. An absolute MUST is that you get the sexual reward that we are seeking. If you aren't making it clear to her what your expectation is then the slight is on you, not her. She will get away with what she can. A couple of examples from my play book : My ATF #3, a 10 across the board told me after I arrived one day that she was on her period and wasn't in the mood for sex. Well, I wasn't in the mood for paying but since I liked her so much I let it slide but made it clear that I wasn't happy and would not be coming when she wasn't in the mood. The next visit she dragged me back to the BR and gave me a rousing BBBJ. We then went to dinner and came back for the piece de resistance and I banged her brains out to rousing screams and groans. To boot she offered another free visit to make up for the loss. Next time she was on her period we didn't miss a beat. Now I know some of you are grossed out by dipping in the pool during that time of the month, but I actually love it and it turns me on. Plus things are all sloppy wet and you slip into all holes easily. A second example involved Bare Back. My SB #2 at the moment insisted on covered and I did not want that with her. She said "no sex" and I said no sugar. Bareback happened. So speak up for yourself.

3) Set a reasonable limit and stick to it.

GPS is everywhere. Hey! IF you pay me $5000 I will blow you LOL. Hollywood seems to have achieved the best CPO of anyone. Big Tigg cums in head to head. When the little head is in the forefront we do things that we regret later. Work it all out beforehand.

4) Get it straight where a SB fits into your life.

Leave the SO and wife mentality at home. Never forget (I do all the time) This is a business for most of these girls. They don't love us, they love our Money and the lifestyle we afford them.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Fred for the excellent post and some sound advice. Much appreciated. I'll try not to make the same mistakes in the future, but probably will. LOL

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1874235]Dude tell us what happened. How did the M&G go? Was she nice looking in person? How much on the sugar?

How about some tips on your ad?

Revvo[/QUOTE]I had to reschedule our M & G, she seemed ok with it at the time. Now its no response to text messages or emails. Let this be a lesson learned, that part of the hunt is to remember your ABC's.

ALWAYS BE CLOSING! If you don't close the deal with them first, someone else will.

[QUOTE=WoodSlinger; 1878081]I had to reschedule our M & G, she seemed ok with it at the time. Now its no response to text messages or emails. Let this be a lesson learned, that part of the hunt is to remember your ABC's.

ALWAYS BE CLOSING! If you don't close the deal with them first, someone else will.[/QUOTE]Yes, always close the deal immediately. Don't let them have enough time for second thoughts. The moment you got them to email / text you, swoop in, pick them up, and bring them to the FC.

I have lost some nice POTs because I was not able to close it right away. It's not an easy thing to do when you're a married guy with kids.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1877486]She's a little under 5'2 and 105 (Hollywood, does this fit your profile? Haha).[/QUOTE]You hit the jackpot. Makes me realize this is a long term game and the prize (s) are there for anyone with the patience to pursue this.

Too bad about the extra expenses. But I guess there is no way around that.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1878147]You hit the jackpot. Makes me realize this is a long term game and the prize (s) are there for anyone with the patience to pursue this.

Too bad about the extra expenses. But I guess there is no way around that.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the extra expenses do suck but there are no alternatives.

And you're absolutely right. The gems are out there, just need to be patience and take your time. But for the married guys, it's way harder to find one.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1878181]Yeah, the extra expenses do suck but there are no alternatives.[/QUOTE]I always consider the extra expenses to be equally spent on me as well as the baby. I enjoy a nice meal and some good wine, or a nice hotel room and a bottle of champagne, and if it is then followed by POTF, then so be it. I have had my share of Motel 6 FC visits as well, so I figure it all averages out.

I mean honestly, my brothers, if someone had asked you, before you were in the Bowl, if you would pay $300 to have drinks and dinner with, and then fuck, a totally hot 20 something any time you wanted for as long as you could handle it, what would your answer have been?

In my home town, low to mid-level escorts charge $200 to $300 an hour, and from what I read they kick your ass out the door as fast as you can pop. And let's not even talk about the list of "don'ts". Compare that with Smoke's recent experience, and I believe I can rest my case. Not that I'm advocating irresponsible spending, but let's keep this in perspective. This is not the world to nickel and dime in, but it's cheaper than an old school mistress, and way cheaper than a wife.

I don't mean to sound scoldy, but who among us would not agree that this is the best thing that has ever happened to us? I still marvel.

Off to yoga to work on my core,

Scott

[QUOTE=Graham1;1877406]I also ditched my previous handle as I stupidly connected too many dots. So keep your email and handle totally separate boy scouts. Makes for less pain. So I need a little while to make senior status again. Cover your tracks.[/QUOTE]I agree, and was lucky enough to establish a broken trail from the start. My Clubhouse name is not even romotely close to my Sugar name, and I only use my Sugar email for, well, Sugar stuff. I have created a fake Facebook profile using a plausible extrapolation of my Sugar email name, and have filled it out just enough to match with my Sugar identity. Oddly, I have 38 or so "friends', just a few of which I know from the Bowl, but I accept any requests that come my way.

If the subject of my lame Facebook profile ever comes up, I dismiss it by saying that I never check it or update it, and regret ever creating it in the first place.

If a baby googles my email, it leads to my Facebook page, and nowhere else.

So here are some more names from scam emails that I have gotten in the past month or so that just make me laugh:

Dolores Hung. Not sure I like my babies to be bigger than me.

Kampf Branan. Daughter of a Nazi who fled to Brazil?

Vaux Concha. Huh?

Bugay Gizinski.

Perchinski Gizinski. Mother / daughter; sisters? Who knows, but the pics were HOT!

Vtytura Dhiwus.

Lnilu Fxot. Could these last two be aliens from another galaxy? If so, I would like to fuck them just to say that I did. I was a huge XFiles fan back in the day. Even the name Gillian Anderson still makes Scottie jump to attention.

[QUOTE=F Scott;1878297]I don't mean to sound scoldy, but who among us would not agree that this is the best thing that has ever happened to us? I still marvel.Scott[/QUOTE]We are all spoiled beyond belief. And $$$ for a date with all the extras. Shit. I spent way more than that in the beginning. But that was then, and this is now. And I actually wish I could spend that now just so I could broaden my experience. Also I would like to help out my live in a little more. I wish I could spoil her more. She is so worth it. I blame Obama and the FTC.

Today my "girlfriend" was bitching because I didn't just pop for her manicure today on top of everything else. Because she believes I treat my live in better. But what she doesn't seem to understand is the difference in skills and how important that is. Some SB's don't fully appreciate the value of those skills. They think just cuz they are a 9 or a10 in looks they can skate by in the bedroom. But not to digress. I never got this quantity of babes before. And married my 2nd wife partly to just have a steady supply of hot sex from a hot girl.

But like the old saying goes "A girl wants everything from one guy, and a guy wants one thing from every girl".

So yes, I am forever grateful that I still have a few (or hopefully more) years to continue to seek out and fulfill all my exotic girl fantasies.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1877924]e. So, I am anticipating somewhere between 400-600 a month. .[/QUOTE]Even at once a week, this is a good deal. Great work!

I'll post the link and the text as its likely to get flagged.

[url]http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cas/4076058136.html[/url]

BABYGIRL NEEDS DADDY. W4m. 30 (Clearwater)

Looking for an ongoing thing with an attractive older Daddy type. I am a new baby girl and require training. Please have time to do so. I am looking to meet at LEAST once a week. Looking to be taken in public and overnight visits so be able to host please as well. I do not have time for games, I am attractive, sexy, cute and expect the same from my Daddy. Send PICS FOR REPLY. NO PIC NO REPLY. Thank you for reading and have a great day!

There is no harm in tossing out a line to see what this one is about. You never know, I responded to one of these types of ads, and was offered a $25 blow job, but that's another story.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1878297]. This is not the world to nickel and dime in, but it's cheaper than an old school mistress, and way cheaper than a wife.

Scott[/QUOTE]Brother Scott, you are correct. This is not a world where you count pennies, or dimes. And I dint' bring up the extra expenses as a way of complaining, it was not my intention. But imagine, if one was a single guy all those extra expenses could go directly to a baby's purse, or a weekend get away, or a few nights out at nice places.

I mean, if you're single, this world is just golden. Honestly, you can just bring a girl out for a very nice meal at at nice establishment, bring her back to your place, have a bottle of wine and you can fuck her brains out all night. And you can fuck until you can no longer breath. It's just fucking wonderful.

Now a little update to my newly designated ATF. So we exchanged a few texts today just to check on each other and set up our next FC date. So during the exchanges, she revealed to me that she cum 3 times during during our session. I suspected she cum several times, but wasn't quite sure. Hey sorry, I haven't reach that level yet where I can tell exactly how many times a girl cum. And she was very vocal during our last session so I jokingly told her that I need to turn on the TV next time so not to attract our neighbors and she told me that was her being quiet. God damn, sounds like I need to get a sound proof room. Also, she completed my 'pussy eating' skills which I told her I don't always eat pussy unless it's fresh and clean. Which is true, I am very picky when I go down town. If I ever detect the slightest odor, I'll never dive in. And she does have one of the tastiest pussies I have ever ate. These poor young girls, us old dirty bastards are like their knights in white when it comes to fucking. I don't think they've ever experience sex like this until they meet one of us dirty dicks.

Anyway, our date is tentatively set for Thursday, again with the only expectation is that I cover her cab fee. However, she did ask if I could load up her card with a little something so she could grab a few things for the house. I told her I will do that at the end of this week so she could do some weekend shopping. She said that would be perfect and thanks me for it. I don't expect to load more than a 100 into her card this week. Sorry, I have a budget fellows, and my budget is probably way lower than most of you guys.

I am trying to keep her on a low budget and she how that develops. You know once you feed a girl with sugars, they always want more, it's just natural so we'll see how this will play out in the coming weeks. It's best IMO to start low and go up from there, but once you start high there's no coming back. But again, this would only (if it does) work on a truly civi girl.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1878627]This is not a world where you count pennies, or dimes. BREAK. Also, she completed my 'pussy eating' skills which I told her I don't always eat pussy unless it's fresh and clean. BREAK I don't expect to load more than a 100 into her card this week. Sorry, I have a budget fellows, and my budget is probably way lower than most of you guys.[/QUOTE]You can't count pennies, but the $ adds up quick if you are on a once a day or so diet of low fat pussy. I rarely go DATY, and thats one of the only things keeping me with my 19 year old. Its actually the best pussy I ever tasted. Seems impossible but true. Got bored tonite and hit up a few girls. A 27 year old petite dark skinned latina got back to me.

Sent my intro letter. Her reply. Her first day on the site.

"Wow! First off. Someone to write that much gets my attention and you sure did. Well let me start to say I'm very interested, this is my first time doing the SD / SB thing. I'm looking for something new. Not too serious, at first. Time only can tell. I want a SD to help me out. As I would luv giving myself. And WOW kissing. I luv it! I've never got that very good and I luv it. I'm so wanting to see and try your kissing. I'm real. No games. No drama. Happy going all around."

Txted and talked to her. Going to go see her on my lunch break while her kid is at school. She looks Like a 7/8/9/? So far. No makeup. All natural. Didnt ask if she shaved, But most do. Agreed to the $ if we progress past the m&g.

Reading the huge number of posts lately has gotten me motivated. I am so picky at this stage its harder to find anyone to hook up with. But I am hitting up some 25 to 29 year olds and see what happens.

Interesting comments from the sb. What do you write in opening letter and how much?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1878680]You can't count pennies, but the $ adds up quick if you are on a once a day or so diet of low fat pussy. I rarely go DATY, and thats one of the only things keeping me with my 19 year old. Its actually the best pussy I ever tasted. Seems impossible but true. Got bored tonite and hit up a few girls. A 27 year old petite dark skinned latina got back to me.

Sent my intro letter. Her reply. Her first day on the site.

"Wow! First off. Someone to write that much gets my attention and you sure did. Well let me start to say I'm very interested, this is my first time doing the SD / SB thing. I'm looking for something new. Not too serious, at first. Time only can tell. I want a SD to help me out. As I would luv giving myself. And WOW kissing. I luv it! I've never got that very good and I luv it. I'm so wanting to see and try your kissing. I'm real. No games. No drama. Happy going all around."

Txted and talked to her. Going to go see her on my lunch break while her kid is at school. She looks Like a 7/8/9? So far. No makeup. All natural. Didn't ask if she shaved, But most do. Agreed to the $ if we progress past the m&g.

Reading the huge number of posts lately has gotten me motivated. I am so picky at this stage its harder to find anyone to hook up with. But I am hitting up some 25 to 29 year olds and see what happens.[/QUOTE]