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Agree to a point
[QUOTE=BuddyLove92;4931506]Everyone has made a good point. My whole thing is, we should stop looking at these girls like they run a business, or are entrepreneurs. They're not. I've only been in this hobby for a year or so regularly. And I've seen most of what this city has to offer. And I can say, that the majority of them have a habit of some sort. Common sense would tell you that. Does that mean I haven't had good service from a "junkie. " No, of course I have. I've seen Cherry, and Melody. Both of them have a habit or two. But they have given me some of the best service I have ever received. So let's not degrade these women, because they have a habit. They have proven you can provide good service even being on drugs. And yes, of course I want them to get help. But that habit didn't make them bad people, or provide B.S. service. They are good people who just have an addiction. Some of these girls are bad to their cores, with or without a habit. They'll rob you, or give terrible service. Because they don't care about people to begin with, and clients in this case. They're going to get that money by any means necessary. All they need is new puppets every day to fall for it. Addiction affects everyone differently. I only degrade the ones who have ripped guys off, and robbed fellow mongers. Because their behavior needs to be brought to the light. Which is why this forum is great. Because you can come here, and found out reliable info about a girl before trying her out. And yes, do your research. If a hotel has terrible reviews. You may want to stay away from there. Nothing good will come from it. I promise you. And I agree with Shooter. We need some sort of advertising to get all hobbyists to join this forum. So we can prevent mongers from seeing these terrible providers like Lunah, Jess, Special Kay / Kendra, etc.
As far as paying for premium girls. Or going to bigger cities to play. Well yes, the quality in places like D. C. , Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, to name a few. Will always be better than here. Because the population in these places is bigger then here. More potential for girls to make more money. Who have no habits, about their money, who just want to play. While making some side money. Outside of Bella and her girls, Alyse, Danny, Jenn. We won't see girls like that here. Roanoke is made up of doctors and nurses. Who if we really think about. Their not going to venture in this hobby. Why should they. They don't need it like that. Unless they go the Sugar daddy route. Where they can meet higher quality clients, who will splurge on them. And all they have to do is provide great service. Then they will get repeat customers, with steady money coming in. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
All I'm saying is let's narrow it down to the few good girls we have here, and forget the rest. The bad ones will go away at some point with no customers. We're going to have to travel to see some better quality girls, go the sugar daddy route, and do it the old fashioned way. Hit up some bars. I'm sure you will find some better quality there. These local girls aren't always you're only option. Remember UTR's aren't given to. They are found. There are girls out here, who want to play, but just haven't been introduced to idea of the hobby yet. Keep that in mind when you're out and about searching. Safe hunting.[/QUOTE]Yeah I agree with most of what you say. My point is it's hypocritical to say you don't care what these girls are doing and you're okay seeing them even knowing the situation then turn around and degrade them and use their monkey against them. Bad service is bad service. Leave it that. Yeah no question you can get good service from a girl with addiction. I am just saying you're playing with fire. And you have to understand the consequences. It's an unpredictable world. I am definitely not saying they're bad people. I was one of them for a long time. But it does affect you. And it does make people do things they wouldn't normally do. Desperate people do desperate things. Just be mindful. That's it. Don't put yourself in situations where bad things can happen. Then wonder why something bad happen in the end.
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Fellas, let's all chill.
Debating this topic the last couple days does not do anything for us. It's like logging into FB and listening to people debate politics. Neither side gives a rip, why argue? Some of us only shop on the top shelf, some of us will go to the fleabag motels in search of a cheap qv.
Do what makes you happy, look here for solid intel and let the rest go.
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Final (ish) Thoughts
Brace yourself because I'm going to step on some toes.
The QV killed it.
If you look at the mid level providers like we are really looking for in the larger cities, what do you find. They range $180-200 an hour and they don't do visits any shorter than that. Why is that you ask, because women need the illusion of the GFE to keep from losing their minds doing this.
Women are wired differently than we are. They trade sex for emotional connection and we trade emotional connection for sex. The donation we provide is simply to be able to leave after without having to hear about their family drama at 2 am. If you take the time to ask your barber or mechanic how their family is doing and they ask you about yours, shouldn't the same courtesy apply here? I would say even more so, and you just don't get that in 15 minutes.
I know it's a generalization, but to me a QV being offered is a pretty good indicator of addiction. And me personally, once I see evidence of that I'm not going back because I'm not going to play into that cycle.
What do you think causes that? It goes back to the emotional connection I spoke of earlier. When a guy goes for a QV and it's just a quick BJ and he runs her through the entire menu, nuts and leaves it hollows the girl out. If she doesn't use presently she will be very soon because that kind of interaction is traumatic to a girl and brings the symptoms if not the full blown manifestation of PTSD. Eventually they are in the midst of a vicious cycle where they are working to feed the habit, but they need the fix to survive the work.
If you look at the SB forums you will see that most of the pleasant experiences are multi-hour / day.
In my experience, if you take the time to ask them about themselves for a while and let them ask you questions about yourself and don't rush them through the entire menu on the first couple of visits, you just might find yourself walking away from a half hour appointment an hour and a half later having experienced things that are not on the menu. It truly is a YMMV, but the more you can make it feel like a real date for them, the better off you will be. I realize that it's all an illusion, but so is your conversation with your doctor about their kids sports. In most cases you don't actually care, but it's the social grease that keeps everything moving smoothly. In this realm that includes making sure that you are freshly showered and groomed. Make sure you smell good, keep your lips moisturized, and for God's sake pop a breath mint before you walk in the door.
Remember gents, like it or not, this is a game we are all in together. When one mistreats a girl or weirds her out, we all suffer from worse service as a consequence. For us all to have a good time we have to make sure that we aren't only policing the providers, we also have to keep ourselves in check as well.
/ End rant.
// Safe Hunting.
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Agreed
[QUOTE=Mikey540;4931964]Debating this topic the last couple days does not do anything for us. It's like logging into FB and listening to people debate politics. Neither side gives a rip, why argue? Some of us only shop on the top shelf, some of us will go to the fleabag motels in search of a cheap qv.
Do what makes you happy, look here for solid intel and let the rest go.[/QUOTE]I agree. I definitely was not trying to argue. I just think it's exhausting reading so many naive sounding posts. You get what you put energy into. If you're going to slum motels. Then 100% of the time you know the deal with the girl. Simple as that. If that's your thing no judgement here. It's personally not mine. But Just be mindful of what could happen. All I am saying. Cause I've been around it. Just putting my two cents in cause it can actually be a very dangerous thing. So I think people should put more thought into it than they do.
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All Good
[QUOTE=Uva1985;4932134]I agree. I definitely was not trying to argue. I just think it's exhausting reading so many naive sounding posts. You get what you put energy into. If you're going to slum motels. Then 100% of the time you know the deal with the girl. Simple as that. If that's your thing no judgement here. It's personally not mine. But Just be mindful of what could happen. All I am saying. Cause I've been around it. Just putting my two cents in cause it can actually be a very dangerous thing. So I think people should put more thought into it than they do.[/QUOTE]You're 100% right bro and no disrespect to you for the posts. I would hope guys get it and know what happens if they hit up Ramada or Days or Knights. Man, I used to use Knights to hook up with women I met on dating sites outside of the hobby. That back side facing the old Waffle House? Ha ha ha that was my go-to for an out of the way afternoon with someone DTF. Those were the days. Now, I'd be concerned I'd pick up hep there from the sheets as much as the provider. Awful.
If you need one of the guys on here to tell you to be careful paying 60 at a crack dive then maybe you have it coming. Harsh but accurate. I've done it for a quick thrill or to try someone out but it's not a winning strategy. But like you said, to each their own. Just have fun, and this site will most often give you the real deal.
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Second that
[QUOTE=Mikey540;4931964]Debating this topic the last couple days does not do anything for us. It's like logging into FB and listening to people debate politics. Neither side gives a rip, why argue? Some of us only shop on the top shelf, some of us will go to the fleabag motels in search of a cheap qv.
Do what makes you happy, look here for solid intel and let the rest go.[/QUOTE]You're right. I'm moving on from this topic. I'm a do what I always do, and that is see some girls. And report back with the info. Do whatever you need to do in this hobby that makes you happy. I'm start traveling and seeing more established women in bigger cities. May go the sugar daddy route, and see what results I find there. All I'm a say is be careful out here. And know who you're going to see. Safe hunting.
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Exactly
[QUOTE=BuddyLove92;4932159]You're right. I'm moving on from this topic. I'm a do what I always do, and that is see some girls. And report back with the info. Do whatever you need to do in this hobby that makes you happy. I'm start traveling and seeing more established women in bigger cities. May go the sugar daddy route, and see what results I find there. All I'm a say is be careful out here. And know who you're going to see. Safe hunting.[/QUOTE]I am going the sugar daddy route. See if there's anything out there. Stg has been barren for a minute now anyway.
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Baymont- use caution
Was visiting a spinner there. There was a LEO presence around so beware of your surroundings.
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Gone
[QUOTE=PumpIt45;4935646]Was visiting a spinner there. There was a LEO presence around so beware of your surroundings.[/QUOTE]I had also visited a spinner there. LEO was gone when I got there. I did see a bunch of them though. So good timing on my part. And that was money well spent. No need to go into details. She's not new, but what a treat she is. Safe hunting.
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Anyone tried?
Good grief. Can't get thing to work as I'm driving.
It says. Satisfaction Guaranteed White 35. Brunette.
Says her name is Shannon. 540 xxx2072.
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Milf
Going to sample the "all holes open MILF" later this week and will report back. Will likely choose a car date if she allows it.
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Hey
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Sensual-release
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