Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=BTBear;4716097]You have been on the board since 2017 and by your own admission have fucked thousands of women. Why only 3 reviews in about 3 years? You will never become a Senior Member at that rate.

P. S This board's purpose is to SHARE info.[/QUOTE]While the board is a good time and the arguing can be some fun bloodsport, why doubt someone that drops in and comments? I'm sure there are many on here that don't even have an account that manage to fuck the girls. This board isn't a requirement for getting paid for pussy.

For example, I saw Mary Ann Summers a while back based on the reviews. She's a sweetheart, but [B]most definitely a "3" in the face[/B], and fucking [U]manic[/U] as well. I know she's loved (your review on TER for example), but since I went by reviews it turned out to be a big disappointment Yeah, she got me off, but I really had to stare at those tits and forget about the craggy voice and face to do it.

So yeah. Sharing info ain't all that.

[QUOTE=VinnieKramer;4716091]And I wonder how it applies to someone from KY.

Seems to say Ohio residents have to stay home.[/QUOTE]Actually its says just the opposite. Just basically not be out in public in groups.

[QUOTE=BTBear;4716097]You have been on the board since 2017 and by your own admission have fucked thousands of women. Why only 3 reviews in about 3 years? You will never become a Senior Member at that rate.

P. S This board's purpose is to SHARE info.[/QUOTE]I guess I'm just bored since I'm not working now and a lurker by nature, I actually had an account years ago after getting a new pc I forgot the login if I had to guess I'd say that was back in 05 or 06 I have been around here a lot longer than 3 years with only 3 reviews, then I just read the forums for a few years before I made this account. I never even thought about senior member, I've had a few good interactions with members sharing digits I had a great dream of little miss innocent when she was 9 months prego thanks to that and I shared digits of a Asian spinner last year too so I felt like I was a part of this little community.

As far as how many dates I've had I can only reckon that its been a couple thousand by now I was definitely not trying to brag just looking back at the past, a bunch of them just topped me off it wasn't always FS. Honestly I was just wondering if anyone else is taking a break for awhile pretty much because I see the girls don't seem to be letting it deter them at all, I hope this corona shit doesn't last forever I want to go see lolabunny again frfr.

[QUOTE=HillbillyBob;4715419]My answer is not only yes but Hell yes I will vote for him again.[/QUOTE]The reason for "hillbilly" in your moniker.

[QUOTE=HillbillyBob;4715419]My answer is not only yes but Hell yes I will vote for him again.[/QUOTE]Trump is a piece of shit. And if you can relate to this orange turd you are too. As stated, Hillbilly is a fit. In a bad way. I'll bet your sister bitched when your dad was crushin' her cigarettes when he was drillin her. SMH.

Trump is a piece of shit and supporting him definitely makes you a piece of shit. This man had damaged lives and American credibility, supporting him is literally anti-patriotic despite how he makes you "feel". Conservative policy, especially economic policy, has done nothing but damage America pretty consistently for the past 100 years. History and numbers are on my side and all you really need to do is go look it up.

[QUOTE=Muncher2323;4716343]Trump is a piece of shit and supporting him definitely makes you a piece of shit. This man had damaged lives and American credibility, supporting him is literally anti-patriotic despite how he makes you "feel". Conservative policy, especially economic policy, has done nothing but damage America pretty consistently for the past 100 years. History and numbers are on my side and all you really need to do is go look it up.[/QUOTE]Fuck you. The numbers don't say shit about your side other than you are a Whiny lump of shit. I guess you think Hilary, Biden or Bernie would do better eat my ass you fucking retard.

[QUOTE=Bullet454;4716344]Fuck you. The numbers don't say shit about your side other than you are a Whiny lump of shit. I guess you think Hilary, Biden or Bernie would do better eat my ass you fucking retard.[/QUOTE]You want to talk about whiny? Again, my point is made by historical numbers. So why don't you go look those up and then you can pull president snowflake's Dick out of your mouth and give me a well reasoned response. Again historically accurate numbers are available and your orange emperor's side they do not favor.

Tickles me how conservatives tout this snowflake thing but can't handle the slightest bit of criticism about it, even when it's easily substantiated with historically accurate information. Guess who's actually the snowflake when you apply critical thinking? I know it's hard for the trumpers to do that, actually apply critical thinking, but I'm sure you were taught it at some point. Wanna go check out how the economy was after every conservative president after 1900? Compare it to the not-so-conservative president’s economic impacts? It’s a bad metric all things considered as no individual person or metric can define the health of an economy, but boy does trump and his cult like to think it does so I’m reducing the argument to confines you can wrap your head around.

[QUOTE=Muncher2323;4716382]You want to talk about whiny? Again, my point is made by historical numbers. So why don't you go look those up and then you can pull president snowflake's Dick out of your mouth and give me a well reasoned response. Again historically accurate numbers are available and your orange emperor's side they do not favor.

Tickles me how conservatives tout this snowflake thing but can't handle the slightest bit of criticism about it, even when it's easily substantiated with historically accurate information. Guess who's actually the snowflake when you apply critical thinking? I know it's hard for the trumpers to do that, actually apply critical thinking, but I'm sure you were taught it at some point. Wanna go check out how the economy was after every conservative president after 1900? Compare it to the not-so-conservative presidents economic impacts? Its a bad metric all things considered as no individual person or metric can define the health of an economy, but boy does trump and his cult like to think it does so Im reducing the argument to confines you can wrap your head around.[/QUOTE]Detroit, California, Boston, and yes Cincinnati all shitholes run by Democrats. Also what numbers do you speak of? Could it be record unemployment and until this debacle A booming economy, less division among races Obama was the worst at dividing us based on race. This whole China incident is largely based on the willingness of our past presidents to sell us out and let our products like medicine be manufactured outside the US. Let me guess I bet you thought NAFTA was a good idea. I guess you're going to tell me Johnson creating another slave culture by expanding handouts was good. Yea those numbers are about 90% or higher single parent black households when before that it was on par with white ratios. Now let's talk about the failure of carter and how our numbers dropped when he fucked with education. Are those the numbers you speak of retard cause you really haven't mentioned any points you have just said look them up which is typical. Let's proceed though Obama care total fucking disaster. Oh wait let's go back to FDR they said his policies actually extended the Great Depression by like 8 years. So come up with some valid points before you call someone a piece of shit you fucking retard.

Some historical perspective:

Republicans (I am one) supported NAFTA. I did too. It was a way to enable free trade across Canada and Mexico whereby each country did what each does best at the cheapest cost. Capitalism!

The USA Should ALWAYS want lower-skilled jobs done elsewhere and higher skilled jobs done here. Higher skilled jobs pay more!

It's ones own fault if they failed to take advantage of acquiring higher skills so they could get these higher paying jobs. That is called laziness because there were TONS of high skill jobs out there.

Just because you wanted to be the tire checker on the assembly line and get $35 an hour to do it is no reason to hate NAFTA. Mexicans will check that tire for $4 an hour because that's all it's worth.

Yea, Donnie's not to blame for anything. Holy shit that's some serious bafoonery. Hey dumb fuck Drumpf supporters (which includes some of my willfully ignorant friends): STOP BEING SELFISH PRICKS. Considering people other than yourself can be more fulfilling than a Molly D BJ. There are plenty of books about that too. Yes, you'll have to turn off the TV, kiss your boyfriend Hannity goodbye and actually read a book but I assure you it's true. Expand your horizons you fkn Hillbillys; stop being an asshole. . You don't want to end up like WonderInAButt do ya? -CPM.

[QUOTE=Bullet454;4716417]Detroit, California, Boston, and yes Cincinnati all shitholes run by Democrats. Also what numbers do you speak of? Could it be record unemployment and until this debacle A booming economy, less division among races Obama was the worst at dividing us based on race. This whole China incident is largely based on the willingness of our past presidents to sell us out and let our products like medicine be manufactured outside the US. Let me guess I bet you thought NAFTA was a good idea. I guess you're going to tell me Johnson creating another slave culture by expanding handouts was good. Yea those numbers are about 90% or higher single parent black households when before that it was on par with white ratios. Now let's talk about the failure of carter and how our numbers dropped when he fucked with education. Are those the numbers you speak of retard cause you really haven't mentioned any points you have just said look them up which is typical. Let's proceed though Obama care total fucking disaster. Oh wait let's go back to FDR they said his policies actually extended the Great Depression by like 8 years. So come up with some valid points before you call someone a piece of shit you fucking retard.[/QUOTE]So let's unpack this a little bit. First of all. Let's talk about the real shit holes ran by republicans liked Alabama, Louisiana, and Florida. Now that your point is moot and we've established both sides are capable of fuckery let's move on. Giving credit where it's due sure the unemployment numbers were great, so that's one metric of a good economy. The stock market was artificially inflated by slashing interest rates, which have now left us fucked on how we interact with the market federally, and by the tax cuts that were used, in a lot of cases, to buy back stocks which artificially inflates their value. Stock market was coming down hard regardless of the virus, Trump and Co. Just wanted to delay it long enough to saddle it on the Democrats.

[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jul/29/tweets/republican-presidents-democrats-contribute-deficit/[/URL] Since you seem to be unable to comprehend google. Here's just one point, again it's just the deficit numbers but all that fiscal conservatism did a whole lot of good didn't it? Stop getting your fucking news from Hannity and friends. Also looking them up is a problem for you? Didn't your boy Reagan used to tout "trust but verify?" Why don't you follow his advice and verify you fucking simpleton. And NAFTA still better than tariffs that are, by literal definition, paid for by American businesses.

[QUOTE=Bullet454;4716417]Detroit, California, Boston, and yes Cincinnati all shitholes run by Democrats. Also what numbers do you speak of? Could it be record unemployment and until this debacle A booming economy, less division among races Obama was the worst at dividing us based on race. This whole China incident is largely based on the willingness of our past presidents to sell us out and let our products like medicine be manufactured outside the US. Let me guess I bet you thought NAFTA was a good idea. I guess you're going to tell me Johnson creating another slave culture by expanding handouts was good. Yea those numbers are about 90% or higher single parent black households when before that it was on par with white ratios. Now let's talk about the failure of carter and how our numbers dropped when he fucked with education. Are those the numbers you speak of retard cause you really haven't mentioned any points you have just said look them up which is typical. Let's proceed though Obama care total fucking disaster. Oh wait let's go back to FDR they said his policies actually extended the Great Depression by like 8 years. So come up with some valid points before you call someone a piece of shit you fucking retard.[/QUOTE]Who drank all the Kool Aid?

[QUOTE=Muncher2323;4716479]So let's unpack this a little bit. First of all. Let's talk about the real shit holes ran by republicans liked Alabama, Louisiana, and Florida. Now that your point is moot and we've established both sides are capable of fuckery let's move on. Giving credit where it's due sure the unemployment numbers were great, so that's one metric of a good economy. The stock market was artificially inflated by slashing interest rates, which have now left us fucked on how we interact with the market federally, and by the tax cuts that were used, in a lot of cases, to buy back stocks which artificially inflates their value. Stock market was coming down hard regardless of the virus, Trump and Co. Just wanted to delay it long enough to saddle it on the Democrats.

[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jul/29/tweets/republican-presidents-democrats-contribute-deficit/[/URL] Since you seem to be unable to comprehend google. Here's just one point, again it's just the deficit numbers but all that fiscal conservatism did a whole lot of good didn't it? Stop getting your fucking news from Hannity and friends. Also looking them up is a problem for you? Didn't your boy Reagan used to tout "trust but verify?" Why don't you follow his advice and verify you fucking simpleton. And NAFTA still better than tariffs that are, by literal definition, paid for by American businesses.[/QUOTE]Blow me you really haven't said anything once Again the three cities you mentioned are not even close to the three I mentioned albeit Cincinnati isn't as bad as the others I just live close by and think it should be a lot better, the stock market came down because of the virus Not anything you mentioned retard reality is not might have been. You still have not talked about Johnson, Carter, or FDR. Neither have mentioned the huge mistake NAFTA, Obama care, and letting all our manufacturing leave the country. I will say that Nixon started our dependence on China. Anyway I am done the reality is trump is going to get 4 more years because they are going to put Biden or sanders up against him.

Starting midnight tonight, only travel by "essential people" will be allowed. No mongering. Please.

Remember, the longer people fight the quarantine, the longer the quarantine will be. Why don't we all do our part; stay in, masturbate a lot if needed, or fuck your significant other for a change. Just let the world hit the reset button. If anyone has any porn suggestions, we can certainly devote a thread to that. In fact, I'll start one right now.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4716463]Some historical perspective:

Republicans (I am one) supported NAFTA. I did too. It was a way to enable free trade across Canada and Mexico whereby each country did what each does best at the cheapest cost. Capitalism!

The USA Should ALWAYS want lower-skilled jobs done elsewhere and higher skilled jobs done here. Higher skilled jobs pay more!

It's ones own fault if they failed to take advantage of acquiring higher skills so they could get these higher paying jobs. That is called laziness because there were TONS of high skill jobs out there.

Just because you wanted to be the tire checker on the assembly line and get $35 an hour to do it is no reason to hate NAFTA. Mexicans will check that tire for $4 an hour because that's all it's worth.[/QUOTE]There is an old saying you can shit in one hand and wish in the other which one will fill up quicker that is NAFTA. It was sold by all the good intentions you mentioned, but it was just a way for companies to get cheap labor ie lazy boy, porter cable, and I think whirlpool or Maytag. Porter cable was the most efficient factory in the country at that time. Whirlpool or Maytag has came back since the quality of their product went to shit. Porter cable who used to make a great product is shit now I think they sold. I am all for free trade but on equal levels we should be able to export to these countries as long as its equal. I don't want a tire checker to make 35 an hour but I don't want a country full of service workers only. We have to make some shit here and we should be able to do it at a good price. Toyota is a good example.

[QUOTE=Bullet454;4716631]Blow me you really haven't said anything once Again the three cities you mentioned are not even close to the three I mentioned albeit Cincinnati isn't as bad as the others I just live close by and think it should be a lot better, the stock market came down because of the virus Not anything you mentioned retard reality is not might have been. You still have not talked about Johnson, Carter, or FDR. Neither have mentioned the huge mistake NAFTA, Obama care, and letting all our manufacturing leave the country. I will say that Nixon started our dependence on China. Anyway I am done the reality is trump is going to get 4 more years because they are going to put Biden or sanders up against him.[/QUOTE]I see your tone changed rapidly when it was a republican who opposed your statements. Look here slick, I'm assuming you're either old as duck and your mind and comprehension abilities are slipping or you're young and have been butt chugging Fox News. How about you respond to the massive deficits the conservative policies enacted in the last 100 years by conservative administrations have caused? You're over there demanding me respond to you when you haven't even responded to my original argument.

Hate to break it to you slick, Republicans are bad for the economy and simple google searches, which now that I think about it my assumptions about you are right might be a bit too hard for you, will guide you to the answers. Side note, perhaps try a better insult than retard? You're really only helping my case about your mental capacity.

[QUOTE=Bullet454;4716631]Blow me you really haven't said anything once Again the three cities you mentioned are not even close to the three I mentioned albeit Cincinnati isn't as bad as the others I just live close by and think it should be a lot better, the stock market came down because of the virus Not anything you mentioned retard reality is not might have been. You still have not talked about Johnson, Carter, or FDR. Neither have mentioned the huge mistake NAFTA, Obama care, and letting all our manufacturing leave the country. I will say that Nixon started our dependence on China. Anyway I am done the reality is trump is going to get 4 more years because they are going to put Biden or sanders up against him.[/QUOTE]Also California is a state not a city. Would you like a basic geography lesson as well?

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4716463]Some historical perspective:

Republicans (I am one) supported NAFTA. I did too. It was a way to enable free trade across Canada and Mexico whereby each country did what each does best at the cheapest cost. Capitalism!

The USA Should ALWAYS want lower-skilled jobs done elsewhere and higher skilled jobs done here. Higher skilled jobs pay more!

It's ones own fault if they failed to take advantage of acquiring higher skills so they could get these higher paying jobs. That is called laziness because there were TONS of high skill jobs out there.

Just because you wanted to be the tire checker on the assembly line and get $35 an hour to do it is no reason to hate NAFTA. Mexicans will check that tire for $4 an hour because that's all it's worth.[/QUOTE]In 1988 the average wage in the US was over $12 an hour. Largest employer in the US was GM (Manufacturing). In 2006, average wage in the US was below $9 an hour. Largest employer in the US, Walmart (retail / service).

NAFTA inadvertently took out the higher priced jobs too.

Mondo.

[QUOTE=Bullet454;4716650]There is an old saying you can shit in one hand and wish in the other which one will fill up quicker that is NAFTA. It was sold by all the good intentions you mentioned, but it was just a way for companies to get cheap labor ie lazy boy, porter cable, and I think whirlpool or Maytag. Porter cable was the most efficient factory in the country at that time. Whirlpool or Maytag has came back since the quality of their product went to shit. Porter cable who used to make a great product is shit now I think they sold. I am all for free trade but on equal levels we should be able to export to these countries as long as its equal. I don't want a tire checker to make 35 an hour but I don't want a country full of service workers only. We have to make some shit here and we should be able to do it at a good price. Toyota is a good example.[/QUOTE]While you were wishing and shitting in your hands (there's a toilet paper shortage!) you forgot the OTHER point. And that was, we got to have all those goods for cheap! Cost of a washer, a dryer, a TV, a stereo, all came down by 1/2 or more! And you slovenly lazyasses LOVED that cheap shit. You went to Walmart every other day to buy more cheap shit and went home feeling like a king! THAT was Nafta that did that. Made it possible for poor and middle class slobs to afford and buy more shit.

The smart ones upped their skills, got good paying jobs with those skills, and then were able to shop at Target! LOL.

I try to be middle of the road and not let politics drive me crazy or intolerant toward other people. However, whenever the anti-Trump crowd pipes up, all I hear and read is sneering condescension and hate-filled abuse toward their fellow Americans. I will never side with arrogance or hate. For that reason, I find myself growing more sympathetic towards the Trump voters. I know that is not what the anti-Trump people want and they cannot be stupid. Why do they behave that way?

Bam.

Coronavirus is the real-life sequel of The Happening movie.

[QUOTE=BamBam;4716949]I try to be middle of the road and not let politics drive me crazy or intolerant toward other people. However, whenever the anti-Trump crowd pipes up, all I hear and read is sneering condescension and hate-filled abuse toward their fellow Americans. I will never side with arrogance or hate. For that reason, I find myself growing more sympathetic towards the Trump voters. I know that is not what the anti-Trump people want and they cannot be stupid. Why do they behave that way?

Bam.[/QUOTE]Have you ever heard Trump speak? He says very nasty, very nasty things.

[QUOTE=DNut;4716641]Starting midnight tonight, only travel by "essential people" will be allowed. No mongering. Please.

Remember, the longer people fight the quarantine, the longer the quarantine will be. Why don't we all do our part; stay in, masturbate a lot if needed, or fuck your significant other for a change. Just let the world hit the reset button. If anyone has any porn suggestions, we can certainly devote a thread to that. In fact, I'll start one right now.[/QUOTE]Fucking your SO is all well and good for the mongers whose SO's were ex-providers. LOL.

There was a reason mongers with SO's are hobbyist. Covid19 is not going to change that. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=BarnesMike32;4716969]Have you ever heard Trump speak? He says very nasty, very nasty things[/QUOTE]More Trump Derangement Syndrome. No specifics that can be debated, just spewing hate and baseless name-calling. The mindless, bankrupt left on display.

[QUOTE=Bullet454;4716417]Detroit, California, Boston, and yes Cincinnati all shitholes run by Democrats. Also what numbers do you speak of? Could it be record unemployment and until this debacle A booming economy, less division among races Obama was the worst at dividing us based on race. This whole China incident is largely based on the willingness of our past presidents to sell us out and let our products like medicine be manufactured outside the US. Let me guess I bet you thought NAFTA was a good idea. I guess you're going to tell me Johnson creating another slave culture by expanding handouts was good. Yea those numbers are about 90% or higher single parent black households when before that it was on par with white ratios. Now let's talk about the failure of carter and how our numbers dropped when he fucked with education. Are those the numbers you speak of retard cause you really haven't mentioned any points you have just said look them up which is typical. Let's proceed though Obama care total fucking disaster. Oh wait let's go back to FDR they said his policies actually extended the Great Depression by like 8 years. So come up with some valid points before you call someone a piece of shit you fucking retard.[/QUOTE]The Talking Points are Strong in this One.

[QUOTE=Bullet454;4716417]Detroit, California, Boston, and yes Cincinnati all shitholes run by Democrats. Also what numbers do you speak of? Could it be record unemployment and until this debacle A booming economy, less division among races Obama was the worst at dividing us based on race. This whole China incident is largely based on the willingness of our past presidents to sell us out and let our products like medicine be manufactured outside the US. Let me guess I bet you thought NAFTA was a good idea. I guess you're going to tell me Johnson creating another slave culture by expanding handouts was good. Yea those numbers are about 90% or higher single parent black households when before that it was on par with white ratios. Now let's talk about the failure of carter and how our numbers dropped when he fucked with education. Are those the numbers you speak of retard cause you really haven't mentioned any points you have just said look them up which is typical. Let's proceed though Obama care total fucking disaster. Oh wait let's go back to FDR they said his policies actually extended the Great Depression by like 8 years. So come up with some valid points before you call someone a piece of shit you fucking retard.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrDave39;4717257]The Talking Points are Strong in this One.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Anyone who sees it different went through public brainwashing, err public schools without asking questions. Personally, I think a two party political system is broken. Its always about the party, not the people. We already live in a society of economic slavery, Ohhh, great and powerful FICO. It does not matter what class, race or gender you are. Somewhere out there you are someone's ***** if you have any kind of debt :(

[QUOTE=BamBam;4716949]I try to be middle of the road and not let politics drive me crazy or intolerant toward other people. However, whenever the anti-Trump crowd pipes up, all I hear and read is sneering condescension and hate-filled abuse toward their fellow Americans. I will never side with arrogance or hate. For that reason, I find myself growing more sympathetic towards the Trump voters. I know that is not what the anti-Trump people want and they cannot be stupid. Why do they behave that way?

Bam.[/QUOTE]Are you sleeping?

[QUOTE=JoeKent;4717192]More Trump Derangement Syndrome. No specifics that can be debated, just spewing hate and baseless name-calling. The mindless, bankrupt left on display.[/QUOTE]You f*ck hookers behind your wives back. I can see the connect you feel. Scum to scum.

[QUOTE=MondoMan;4716756]In 1988 the average wage in the US was over $12 an hour. Largest employer in the US was GM (Manufacturing). In 2006, average wage in the US was below $9 an hour. Largest employer in the US, Walmart (retail / service).

NAFTA inadvertently took out the higher priced jobs too.

Mondo.[/QUOTE]NAFTA by design took out the higher priced jobs for the unskilled and uneducated. Big difference.

They sew jeans in Mexico for 2 bucks an hour. A border collie can do this work. No need to pay Americans 20 bucks to do it. The displaced simply needed to get advanced skills or advanced education. The FREE job training programs were there for decades; some were just too lazy to partake.

The facts of NAFTA. They hurt. Sorry.

And all you fellow Republicans, know this, we Republicans voted for it, support it, and love it. It is PURE CAPITALISM. The free market.

[QUOTE=JoeKent;4717192]More Trump Derangement Syndrome. No specifics that can be debated, just spewing hate and baseless name-calling. The mindless, bankrupt left on display.[/QUOTE]This one sounds like one of those entitled white men, which society has somehow wronged, who is going to vote for Trump if he can't vote for Bernie. Completely irrational.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;4717759]NAFTA by design took out the higher priced jobs for the unskilled and uneducated. Big difference.

They sew jeans in Mexico for 2 bucks an hour. A border collie can do this work. No need to pay Americans 20 bucks to do it. The displaced simply needed to get advanced skills or advanced education. The FREE job training programs were there for decades; some were just too lazy to partake.

The facts of NAFTA. They hurt. Sorry.

And all you fellow Republicans, know this, we Republicans voted for it, support it, and love it. It is PURE CAPITALISM. The free market.[/QUOTE]I thought this was a site to share info re professional escorts.

[QUOTE=Jeh123;4717863]I thought this was a site to share info re professional escorts.[/QUOTE]This site is about the economics of pussy. 🤩.

[QUOTE=BamBam;4716949]I try to be middle of the road and not let politics drive me crazy or intolerant toward other people. However, whenever the anti-Trump crowd pipes up, all I hear and read is sneering condescension and hate-filled abuse toward their fellow Americans. I will never side with arrogance or hate. For that reason, I find myself growing more sympathetic towards the Trump voters. I know that is not what the anti-Trump people want and they cannot be stupid. Why do they behave that way?

Bam.[/QUOTE]This sounds like the classic Donald Trump "I haven't done anything wrong" line after he says something reprehensible and someone calls him out on it. He is full of noting but hate, don't waste your time even trolling for that man. He wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone else.

[QUOTE=WChris927;4718069]This sounds like the classic Donald Trump "I haven't done anything wrong" line after he says something reprehensible and someone calls him out on it. He is full of noting but hate, don't waste your time even trolling for that man. He wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone else.[/QUOTE]It's funny that this conman has ripped off his own employees, his contractors, and his suppliers his entire life in business. Has tried every illegal scam or scheme to fraud the government or customers. Brags about it. And the Average Joe "thinks and believes" that he is going to come through for them. Are there really that many stupid people out there? (Don't answer that!)

So what has the local hobby scene been like the last couple weeks? Are the providers getting much business? Is our least favorite uncle finally focused on other things for a change?

I'm kind of sidelined, as the wife is home all the time now and it's much harder to get away with extracurricular activities. So I guess I have to live vicariously through you all for the time being.

[QUOTE=Muncher2323;4716382]You want to talk about whiny? Again, my point is made by historical numbers. So why don't you go look those up and then you can pull president snowflake's Dick out of your mouth and give me a well reasoned response. Again historically accurate numbers are available and your orange emperor's side they do not favor.

Tickles me how conservatives tout this snowflake thing but can't handle the slightest bit of criticism about it, even when it's easily substantiated with historically accurate information. Guess who's actually the snowflake when you apply critical thinking? I know it's hard for the trumpers to do that, actually apply critical thinking, but I'm sure you were taught it at some point. Wanna go check out how the economy was after every conservative president after 1900? Compare it to the not-so-conservative presidents economic impacts? Its a bad metric all things considered as no individual person or metric can define the health of an economy, but boy does trump and his cult like to think it does so Im reducing the argument to confines you can wrap your head around.[/QUOTE]Would you care to share some of your proof? Maybe you should start with lowest unemployment -- no, that's now. Possibly stock market numbers -- no, again this administration has had the highest in history. Now I'm curious as to what you see with conservative policy hurting the economy. And you can leave Regan's numbers out because we did overspend, but that was by design to totally bankrupt the USSR. Ball is in your court for proof.

[QUOTE=FortunateSon1;4718801]Would you care to share some of your proof? Maybe you should start with lowest unemployment -- no, that's now. Possibly stock market numbers -- no, again this administration has had the highest in history. Now I'm curious as to what you see with conservative policy hurting the economy. And you can leave Regan's numbers out because we did overspend, but that was by design to totally bankrupt the USSR. Ball is in your court for proof.[/QUOTE]Come one guys.

Lets be one forever.

Both sides playing dirty politics with Corona. Let the bollot speak and elect ones who worked for us and are capable.

Lets put end and end to "Help the poor trick" and "Look good on TV charade".

[QUOTE=FortunateSon1;4718801]Would you care to share some of your proof? Maybe you should start with lowest unemployment -- no, that's now. Possibly stock market numbers -- no, again this administration has had the highest in history. Now I'm curious as to what you see with conservative policy hurting the economy. And you can leave Regan's numbers out because we did overspend, but that was by design to totally bankrupt the USSR. Ball is in your court for proof.[/QUOTE]Actually, the historic patterns show that President Obama was more successful in helping the economy. These chart shows that starting with March 2019 (2 months after President Obama inherited a global meltdown), the market started climbing, and continued to climb until he help office in Jan. 2017 with the stock market 147% HIGHER than when he started.

Now, comparing apples to apples, with only the first 36 months (up to Jan, 2020, before the COVID-19 crisis), the second chart will show that at the same point in their presidencies, President Obama grew the stock market 57%, while Donald Trump only grew it 47%; a 15% difference. So while it's true that the stock market was on a record high, that upward trajectory started in March, 2009. Also, it's worth pointing out that in 2017, the GOP Congress, Senate, and Donald Trump cut corporate taxes from 35% to 20%, and corporations used the savings for STOCK BUYBACKS, artificially inflating the stock market, without actually expanding business.

I'm sure someone will attempt to bring up the TARP program of 2009, injecting $780 BILLION dollars in corporate and bank relief and that's the same as the tax cuts. The difference is that TARP was 100% paid back. In fact, it made a PROFIT of $40 million dollars after all the loans were repaid and the stocks issued to the government as collateral was sold. So while the 2017 tax cut was just money lost, TARP made a profit for the Federal Govt. And Joe Taxpayer.

Now, if we were to inject real world numbers, we can't ignore that in the last 3 month, all the stock market increase that came about starting in January 2017, has been wiped out. Currently, the stocks are back to about what they were when Donald Trump was sworn into office. I am not saying that Trump created the COVID-19 global pandemic. But you can only use COVID-19 so often as an excuse.

Although this has nothing to do with the stock market, let me point out 2 key differences in the personalities of President Obama and President Trump. The day after President Obama was sworn in, January 21,2009, he was assembled in the White House with the new cabinet, the Fed chairman, and members of the banking industry working to stop the global economic meltdown. It was May, 2009, before he took time off. (his schedule is public record). The day after President Trump was sworn into office, January 21 of 2017, he flew on Air Force One to Florida and golfed that weekend. He took a break from work, before he did one second of work; a trip that cost taxpayers $3 MILLION, some of which was paid to Trump Resorts to house and feed his staff and security detail. Like I said, the Presidential vacation time doesn't have any bearing on the stock market, but it sheds a lot of light on the type of people they were.

[QUOTE=FortunateSon1;4718801]Would you care to share some of your proof? Maybe you should start with lowest unemployment -- no, that's now. Possibly stock market numbers -- no, again this administration has had the highest in history. Now I'm curious as to what you see with conservative policy hurting the economy. And you can leave Regan's numbers out because we did overspend, but that was by design to totally bankrupt the USSR. Ball is in your court for proof.[/QUOTE]Lets see you stated unemployment numbers. First numbers can be manipulated and have been in history many times by each party then adjusted, which nobody pays attention to. Second, unemployment numbers are not total fact because some workers after searching for a time just drop off reporting, a statistical gray area. Now the stock market is not perfect indicator of the economy by itself because those numbers do not directly correspond with everyday economics (the 99%ers average buying power) anymore and we were headed for a downward adjustment anyway, but now Trump can use this crisis as an excuse it wasn't him. What is little known or talked about are all the executive orders he made shredding all the safety nets that use to be in place for the stock market after the 08 crash, but he removed because his friends could make more money with less restrictive rules, which were there to protect our 401's etc. The tax cuts made the top 1% richer and he gloated at Mar.-a-lago the weekend after telling those there he just made them richer. This new stimulus plan will have mostly the same effect with some buying power given to the everyday workers. The biggest problem coming down the pipeline is somebody is going to have to pay the bills later. At last estimate the deficit was astounding, now add loss of gdp this quarter and the stimulus means our kids or grandkids will be in bondage to some foreign power if we don't quit borrowing to pay for our government spending.