Anyone familiar with this one?
[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/florida-woman-offers-cops-oral-sex-dropped-charges-article-1.2345470[/URL]
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Anyone familiar with this one?
[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/florida-woman-offers-cops-oral-sex-dropped-charges-article-1.2345470[/URL]
[QUOTE=Cb431;2632463]Anyone familiar with this one?
[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/florida-woman-offers-cops-oral-sex-dropped-charges-article-1.2345470[/URL][/QUOTE]A certain Jennifer who is a 'walker' in St Petersburg. The newspaper story misspelled her last name and this particular incident happened on 8/31/2015.
[QUOTE=PeterRammer;2632645]A certain Jennifer who is a 'walker' in St Petersburg. The newspaper story misspelled her last name and this particular incident happened on 8/31/2015.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Misspelled name threw me off and I should've checked the date as you've mentioned.
HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
- HB 465 increases criminal penalties for people who solicit others to commit prostitution. The penalty will go from a second-degree misdemeanor to a first degree misdemeanor on a first offense. A second offense will increase from a first-degree misdemeanor to a third-degree felony.
People convicted of solicitation will also have to perform 100 hours of community service and complete an educational program about the negative effects of prostitution and human trafficking. A judge can also impound a person's vehicle if the solicitation sentence includes at least 60 days in jail.
The state during the past few years has tried to crack down on human trafficking, which often involves victims being forced to work as prostitutes.
I have been out of action for the past few months, but I must agree with Rapiddave in his post. As for myself, I always ask My dream lady what she would like in the review, if she says it doesn't matter I will report all of the activities as accurately as I can without going into a Blow by Blow description. A good general review that tells what happened in my dream and with as little embellishment as my ego will allow. I look at the dreams talked about here as a means of helping me decide if I want to dream like that also. I appreciate a good Honest description of dreams. I will not talk about anything in a pm, related to my dream that I do not state in my dream review. As so many have said YMMV meaning your dream may be different.
First things first, because I've already gotten like 10 PMs asking me about it, I'm posting the info here so I don't have to respond to 100 PMs asking me the same questions that I'm answering here. Only my good buddies on here can PM me for juicier details (they know who they are).
This is a sugar daddy website. You have to pay to join, but it's free to peruse to see all the girls. It's not for cheapskates, so if you're looking for cheap deals it ain't like that. While you will see a few BP girls on here, these are non pro girls, and they are unbelievably hot. Model hot girls. Some not so much, you'll come across some trailer trash and fatties, but mostly hot girls. A lot of dancers too.
There are different levels of what kind of arrangement the girls are looking for, from extremely high, to minimal and negotiable. Most list that in their profile, so I don't contact a girl who is expecting like $2000+ a month.
I've found and met a couple girls (and I'm not sharing that info) so far who will provide all night GFE service for a little more than a higher end escort charges for an hour and one girl who will for much less than that.
Just like anything, everything is YMMV. It depends on you, what you look like, your personality, etc.
Hell of a selection I must say. Ajdal out
[QUOTE=DrPotato;2649111]First things first, because I've already gotten like 10 PMs asking me about it, I'm posting the info here so I don't have to respond to 100 PMs asking me the same questions that I'm answering here. Only my good buddies on here can PM me for juicier details (they know who they are).
This is a sugar daddy website. You have to pay to join, but it's free to peruse to see all the girls. It's not for cheapskates, so if you're looking for cheap deals it ain't like that. While you will see a few BP girls on here, these are non pro girls, and they are unbelievably hot. Model hot girls. Some not so much, you'll come across some trailer trash and fatties, but mostly hot girls. A lot of dancers too.
There are different levels of what kind of arrangement the girls are looking for, from extremely high, to minimal and negotiable. Most list that in their profile, so I don't contact a girl who is expecting like $2000+ a month.
I've found and met a couple girls (and I'm not sharing that info) so far who will provide all night GFE service for a little more than a higher end escort charges for an hour and one girl who will for much less than that.
Just like anything, everything is YMMV. It depends on you, what you look like, your personality, etc.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=DrPotato;2649111]First things first, because I've already gotten like 10 PMs asking me about it, I'm posting the info here so I don't have to respond to 100 PMs asking me the same questions that I'm answering here. Only my good buddies on here can PM me for juicier details (they know who they are).
This is a sugar daddy website. You have to pay to join, but it's free to peruse to see all the girls. It's not for cheapskates, so if you're looking for cheap deals it ain't like that. While you will see a few BP girls on here, these are non pro girls, and they are unbelievably hot. Model hot girls. Some not so much, you'll come across some trailer trash and fatties, but mostly hot girls. A lot of dancers too.
There are different levels of what kind of arrangement the girls are looking for, from extremely high, to minimal and negotiable. Most list that in their profile, so I don't contact a girl who is expecting like $2000+ a month.
I've found and met a couple girls (and I'm not sharing that info) so far who will provide all night GFE service for a little more than a higher end escort charges for an hour and one girl who will for much less than that.
Just like anything, everything is YMMV. It depends on you, what you look like, your personality, etc.[/QUOTE]Sorry about the PM mano. Was just overly curious. Was a member of Arrangement Finders which is also Established Men. So I had to ask.
[QUOTE=FuzzyChest;2649195]Sorry about the PM mano. Was just overly curious. Was a member of Arrangement Finders which is also Established Men. So I had to ask.[/QUOTE]Oh no worries bud just easier to post the info here then respond to lots of PMs.
[QUOTE=Cb431;2633868]Thanks! Misspelled name threw me off and I should've checked the date as you've mentioned.[/QUOTE]Definitely has the right look and attitude to break into the industry. She's supposedly a student in college, but in a perfect world she'd skip school and come play with us here!
Just got my free VIP membership approved on the oThER site for writing reviews. PM me if you need any research done.
I have been on SA for about 3 weeks and it is going OK. I am getting a bunch of numbers but haven't yet made a connection in person. Definately some hotties and I amam eager to see if this provides more of the connection I am looking for that I don't get with the shops or BP. Membership is a little pricey.
[QUOTE=DrPotato;2649111]First things first, because I've already gotten like 10 PMs asking me about it, I'm posting the info here so I don't have to respond to 100 PMs asking me the same questions that I'm answering here. Only my good buddies on here can PM me for juicier details (they know who they are).
This is a sugar daddy website. You have to pay to join, but it's free to peruse to see all the girls. It's not for cheapskates, so if you're looking for cheap deals it ain't like that. While you will see a few BP girls on here, these are non pro girls, and they are unbelievably hot. Model hot girls. Some not so much, you'll come across some trailer trash and fatties, but mostly hot girls. A lot of dancers too.
There are different levels of what kind of arrangement the girls are looking for, from extremely high, to minimal and negotiable. Most list that in their profile, so I don't contact a girl who is expecting like $2000+ a month.
I've found and met a couple girls (and I'm not sharing that info) so far who will provide all night GFE service for a little more than a higher end escort charges for an hour and one girl who will for much less than that.
Just like anything, everything is YMMV. It depends on you, what you look like, your personality, etc.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EdenSparko;2677127]I have been on SA for about 3 weeks and it is going OK. I am getting a bunch of numbers but haven't yet made a connection in person. Definately some hotties and I amam eager to see if this provides more of the connection I am looking for that I don't get with the shops or BP. Membership is a little pricey.[/QUOTE]It is actually worth the membership. I have met a few females on there and have run into a couple profiles I know in real life.
[QUOTE=FuzzyChest;2690508]It is actually worth the membership. I have met a few females on there and have run into a couple profiles I know in real life.[/QUOTE]Yes, it was worth the price of membership. They have a phone app too which works great and you can keep up on the messages from the ladies and search while on the go. I met a 22 y / o blonde that came over and spent a few hours with me, met at a public place first and then back to my place. Also met a 29 year old cutie who can't get enough. I have been seeing now and then, we keep in touch through text. I did get a bunch of numbers, but pretty much 75% of them were asking too much, made plans and then cancelled last minute, or just stopped replying to the texts. I stopped my membership for a while, it was getting too crazy and distracting for me, and it seems that there were only a few new girls in the area each week. Plus it's most of them only seemed happy with a first date donation of. 3 - that's just too much considering the other options out there. Back to my scouring CL and FB searching phone numbers for the meantime for my amusement. At least it's free!
[QUOTE=EdenSparko;2677127]I have been on SA for about 3 weeks and it is going OK. I am getting a bunch of numbers but haven't yet made a connection in person. Definately some hotties and I amam eager to see if this provides more of the connection I am looking for that I don't get with the shops or BP. Membership is a little pricey.[/QUOTE]SA? Only thing I can come up with is Sex-aholics Anonymous. Are you trolling Sex-aholics Anonymous looking for pussy? If so, hats off to you. That's hilarious. If SA means something else in this context, please enlighten me.
[QUOTE=Member#1658;2693461]SA? Only thing I can come up with is Sex-aholics Anonymous. Are you trolling Sex-aholics Anonymous looking for pussy? If so, hats off to you. That's hilarious. If SA means something else in this context, please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]Seeking Arrangements but I like your thinking LOL.
[QUOTE=NephriteJade;2693746]Seeking Arrangements but I like your thinking LOL.[/QUOTE]I've been clean and sober for decades now but I remember going to crossover meetings with sex addicts. All I can say is just because your sober doesn't mean your not still an asshole. We always chatted them up to see how strong their commitment was.
[QUOTE=EdenSparko;2693256]Yes, it was worth the price of membership. They have a phone app too which works great and you can keep up on the messages from the ladies and search while on the go. I met a 22 y / o blonde that came over and spent a few hours with me, met at a public place first and then back to my place. Also met a 29 year old cutie who can't get enough. I have been seeing now and then, we keep in touch through text. I did get a bunch of numbers, but pretty much 75% of them were asking too much, made plans and then cancelled last minute, or just stopped replying to the texts. I stopped my membership for a while, it was getting too crazy and distracting for me, and it seems that there were only a few new girls in the area each week. Plus it's most of them only seemed happy with a first date donation of. 3 - that's just too much considering the other options out there. Back to my scouring CL and FB searching phone numbers for the meantime for my amusement. At least it's free![/QUOTE]You said asking too much, mind giving a better idea of rate?
[QUOTE=EdenSparko;2693256]Yes, it was worth the price of membership. They have a phone app too which works great and you can keep up on the messages from the ladies and search while on the go. I met a 22 y / o blonde that came over and spent a few hours with me, met at a public place first and then back to my place. Also met a 29 year old cutie who can't get enough. I have been seeing now and then, we keep in touch through text. I did get a bunch of numbers, but pretty much 75% of them were asking too much, made plans and then cancelled last minute, or just stopped replying to the texts. I stopped my membership for a while, it was getting too crazy and distracting for me, and it seems that there were only a few new girls in the area each week. Plus it's most of them only seemed happy with a first date donation of. 3 - that's just too much considering the other options out there. Back to my scouring CL and FB searching phone numbers for the meantime for my amusement. At least it's free![/QUOTE]In my opinion, SA is definitely worth the membership cost. I've been on SA for 3 years on and off. The idea is to get a bunch of numbers / potentials, at least a couple dependable arrangements set up, and let your membership lapse. Give the market time to replenish itself with new talent (3-6 months), rinse, repeat.
The price of membership is a bit higher than a QV to a BP girl, but that puts literally hundreds of ladies from 18-40+ on your radar, each of which is competing to catch the eye of one or more daddies where the average ratio is something like 20 babies to 1 daddy. None of them are "sure things" compared to a dependable professional provider, and some level of wooing may be required in addition to meeting their desired sugar level, but mostly this means don't be a complete douche nozzle and treat them like a human. There are a lot of time wasters, fakes, scammers willing to string you along without delivering any goods, and basket cases who are just seeking some validation of their own worth with no intention of meeting a daddy, but many of these can be weeded out.
The Richmond VA forum has a thread for Sugar discussion and it's got literally thousands of useful posts of information. They've even indexed some of the more useful posts in another thread. I've started posting there.
For those new to sugaring, I highly recommend you read through the indexed posts. They will save you countless hours and dollars worth of learning the hard way.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not[/URL]
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]
As it seems like sugaring is getting more popular with the mongers / hobbyists in this area, it would be great if we could a thread started on the subject either here or in the Tampa forum. It would give us locals a place to post warnings about scammers and time wasters as well as sharing our collective experience and knowledge. As I'm not a senior yet, I'm not sure how one starts a new thread, but I'd be happy to participate if someone steps up.
-Colo.
[QUOTE=Chumm;2694199]You said asking too much, mind giving a better idea of rate?[/QUOTE]There's a lot of GPS going on, especially with the younger girls on SA. Too many of them have seen documentaries about the sugar game and all of them think they have what it takes to land a $10 k a month allowance.
Out of the 25 or 30% that are real and reasonable, desired remuneration varies considerably with age, race, and attractiveness. And unlike professionals where the rate is usually the rate unless you're a well-known regular, many of these ladies will alter their requirements if you are attractive to them on one or more levels. My current #1 baby accepted an arrangement with me for roughly 25% of what she was originally hoping for due to our shared interests and the fact that I made her feel comfortable during the negotiation period. Many veteran babies know that the average sugar daddy is not a trust-fund baby, self-made millionaire, or investment genius and their expectations are adjusted accordingly. There's a ton of info in the Richmond thread about negotiation tactics and the psychology of the sugar game, so I won't rehash that here, just point you that way.
The guys in Richmond suggest that a gift of $$ per meeting is on the high end for their region, with $ or $. 50 being more reasonable. HYB or HYCB (hot young babes, hot young college babes) can often command more, but finding a non-flaky 18-21 year old is tough, so a lot of potential daddies (myself included) target the mid-20's girls. Almost as hot a body, a lot more realistic in their expectations and attentive in their ministrations. Still, the better your looks and your game, the better the likelihood of landing one of those hot young model-quality college girls. I'm seeing similar numbers here.
You asked for hard numbers. I've got the following arrangements set up:
1. A set arrangement for $$. 5 a week, we see each other an average of 2 nights a week. Planning on keeping her around long term both due to the value and due to the chemistry we have.
2. One who hasn't asked for anything but to "be taken care of". To me, this means anywhere from $. 5 to $$. 5. Those amounts have made her happy. She's insanely sexual, and very kinky. More of a casual "lets hook up when we can" thing rather than the ongoing and steady thing with #1. She's great fun, but I'd bet if I cut the 'gift" down to the per-meeting rate for baby #1 we'd see less of each other.
Also working on several others in various stages of messaging / scheduling a meet and greet, and negotiating. Sometimes it takes more than one meeting to get to the FC (fuck chamber) as the guys from Richmond call it.
"Never provide the sugar before you're getting the honey" is the best advice I've heard. If a baby says she needs time to get to know you before she's ready to get intimate, then you need some time to get to know her before you're ready to be generous. Simple. Even simpler, just walk away. There's more of them than there are of us, the odds are in your favor. Most veteran guys say don't even discuss the arrangement until after the hookup, and just give what you feel like. If you insult them with that amount, chances for repeats are low, but hey, there's plenty more babies in the sugar bowl. More likely, that amount serves as a starting point for any future negotiations, and you're in the drivers' seat.
Hope some of this helps.
-Colo.
[QUOTE=Colonoscopy;2694506]There's a lot of GPS going on, especially with the younger girls on SA. Too many of them have seen documentaries about the sugar game and all of them think they have what it takes to land a $10 k a month allowance.
Out of the 25 or 30% that are real and reasonable, desired remuneration varies considerably with age, race, and attractiveness. And unlike professionals where the rate is usually the rate unless you're a well-known regular, many of these ladies will alter their requirements if you are attractive to them on one or more levels. My current #1 baby accepted an arrangement with me for roughly 25% of what she was originally hoping for due to our shared interests and the fact that I made her feel comfortable during the negotiation period. Many veteran babies know that the average sugar daddy is not a trust-fund baby, self-made millionaire, or investment genius and their expectations are adjusted accordingly. There's a ton of info in the Richmond thread about negotiation tactics and the psychology of the sugar game, so I won't rehash that here, just point you that way.
The guys in Richmond suggest that a gift of $$ per meeting is on the high end for their region, with $ or $. 50 being more reasonable. HYB or HYCB (hot young babes, hot young college babes) can often command more, but finding a non-flaky 18-21 year old is tough, so a lot of potential daddies (myself included) target the mid-20's girls. Almost as hot a body, a lot more realistic in their expectations and attentive in their ministrations. Still, the better your looks and your game, the better the likelihood of landing one of those hot young model-quality college girls. I'm seeing similar numbers here.
You asked for hard numbers. I've got the following arrangements set up:
1. A set arrangement for $$. 5 a week, we see each other an average of 2 nights a week. Planning on keeping her around long term both due to the value and due to the chemistry we have.
2. One who hasn't asked for anything but to "be taken care of". To me, this means anywhere from $. 5 to $$. 5. Those amounts have made her happy. She's insanely sexual, and very kinky. More of a casual "lets hook up when we can" thing rather than the ongoing and steady thing with #1. She's great fun, but I'd bet if I cut the 'gift" down to the per-meeting rate for baby #1 we'd see less of each other.
Also working on several others in various stages of messaging / scheduling a meet and greet, and negotiating. Sometimes it takes more than one meeting to get to the FC (fuck chamber) as the guys from Richmond call it.
"Never provide the sugar before you're getting the honey" is the best advice I've heard. If a baby says she needs time to get to know you before she's ready to get intimate, then you need some time to get to know her before you're ready to be generous. Simple. Even simpler, just walk away. There's more of them than there are of us, the odds are in your favor. Most veteran guys say don't even discuss the arrangement until after the hookup, and just give what you feel like. If you insult them with that amount, chances for repeats are low, but hey, there's plenty more babies in the sugar bowl. More likely, that amount serves as a starting point for any future negotiations, and you're in the drivers' seat.
Hope some of this helps.
-Colo.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Thanks for all the information. Stay safe.
[QUOTE=Member#1658;2693461]Are you trolling Sex-aholics Anonymous looking for pussy?[/QUOTE]This inspired me. Looking up local meetings as we speak!
-Colo.
[QUOTE=Chumm;2694199]You said asking too much, mind giving a better idea of rate?[/QUOTE]Most were looking for about $$ some were asking for $$ and we're not super hot and / or young.
Lots of good information and links from Colo on SA, wish I had read them before I started playing. A forum for SA is a great idea, maybe HawaiianD can tell us how to get it started. I think he is a mod for a forum on here.
One girl is like a decoy.
[QUOTE=EdenSparko;2695016]Most were looking for about $$ some were asking for $$ and we're not super hot and / or young.[/QUOTE]The second $$ was supposed to be 6 $ signs.
[QUOTE=XiaoXing;2695493]One girl is like a decoy.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what you mean. Could you explain that comment?
[QUOTE=EdenSparko;2695022]Lots of good information and links from Colo on SA, wish I had read them before I started playing. A forum for SA is a great idea, maybe HawaiianD can tell us how to get it started. I think he is a mod for a forum on here.[/QUOTE]As it seems like sugaring is getting more popular with the mongers / hobbyists in this area, it would be great if we could a thread started on the subject either here or in the Tampa forum. It would give us locals a place to post warnings about scammers and time wasters as well as sharing our collective experience and knowledge. As I'm not a senior yet, I'm not sure how one starts a new thread, but I'd be happy to participate if someone steps up.
Has anyone talked to admin about getting a SA forum for Tampa? The official thread for asking is now closed.
[QUOTE=OldMan;2699453]As it seems like sugaring is getting more popular with the mongers / hobbyists in this area, it would be great if we could a thread started on the subject either here or in the Tampa forum. It would give us locals a place to post warnings about scammers and time wasters as well as sharing our collective experience and knowledge. As I'm not a senior yet, I'm not sure how one starts a new thread, but I'd be happy to participate if someone steps up.
Has anyone talked to admin about getting a SA forum for Tampa? The official thread for asking is now closed.[/QUOTE]St Pete Sugarbabies thread already exists. It looks like it started as something else but recent posts are on this topic.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?11057-Sugar-Babies[/URL]
Also, looks like you are alredy a senior member. Congrats.
[QUOTE=Coozie;2699460]St Pete Sugarbabies thread already exists. It looks like it started as something else but recent posts are on this topic.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?11057-Sugar-Babies[/URL]
Also, looks like you are alredy a senior member. Congrats.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I guess that thread was easy to miss. No post for 18 months. That thread seems to be a catch all. Like putting BP, CL, EROS and others all together under HO's, just to confusing is maybe why it died. Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like there was a lot of interest in SA. Maybe if it was just SA and a new thread in Tampa it would catch on and we could begin sharing info of those girls.
[QUOTE=OldMan;2699478]Thanks, I guess that thread was easy to miss. No post for 18 months. That thread seems to be a catch all. Like putting BP, CL, EROS and others all together under HO's, just to confusing is maybe why it died. Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like there was a lot of interest in SA. Maybe if it was just SA and a new thread in Tampa it would catch on and we could begin sharing info of those girls.[/QUOTE]It had a strange start but the ho conversion thing ended when Woodslinger pointed out the stupidity of what they were trying to do. Everything since has been solid.
[QUOTE=EdenSparko;2695702]The second $$ was supposed to be 6 $ signs.[/QUOTE]I swear, GPS was invented on SA and moved to BP.
[URL]http://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewzeitlin/judge-slams-crackdown-on-backpagecom[/URL]#. JxmDMpP3 X.
A federal judge said the Cook County Sheriff violated the First Amendment by urging credit card networks to cut of the adult classifieds site.
A federal judge has ruled that efforts by the Cook County Sheriff to crack down on adult classifieds site [URL]Backpage.com[/URL] were unconstitutional, ordering the Sheriff to cease pressuring credit card companies to cut their links to the controversial site.
In a strongly worded opinion released on Monday, Judge Richard Posner of the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that Sheriff Thomas Dart was prohibited from using his office to pressure service providers not to work with [URL]Backpage.com[/URL]. In November, the court issued an injunction against Dart.
That injunction was issued again Monday. Dart is also required to notify Visa and MasterCard as well as the Postal Service of the order.
Posner said that Dart's actions, which were part of a long campaign by the Sheriff to vigorously enforce prostitution laws — and go after Backpage specifically — were like "killing a person by cutting off his oxygen supply rather than by shooting him. ".
In July, Visa and Mastercard confirmed they had cut Backpage from their networks, days after Sheriff Dart sent open letters urging each company to "immediately cease and desist" from working with the site and others like it, which "we have objectively found to promote prostitution and facilitate online sex trafficking. ".
Backpage has not been convicted of any such crime, in Dart's jurisdiction or any other.
In a lawsuit filed over the summer, Backpage alleged Dart's letters were a prior restraint on free speech. While Backpage has been a leading destination for advertising escort services since Craigslist got rid of adult personals in 2010 (Craigslist was also pursued by Dart in 2009, unsuccessfully), the site also hosts many legal ads. Posner pointed to "fetishism, phone sex, performances by striptease artists" as content that was still legal on the site.
The decision was hailed by libertarian-leaning legal thinkers from the left and right. Glenn Greenwald wrote that the ruling was "crucial for protecting free speech rights generally" and "highlights how dangerous such extra-judicial pressure campaigns can be, and makes them much more difficult by clearly ruling them to be unconstitutional. ".
Greenwald said the case had echoes of late 2010, when companies including Amazon, Paypal and Bank of America stopped doing business with Wikileaks after the site's publication of leaked USA Diplomatic cables, amid pressure from politicians including Senator Joe Lieberman, chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee.
Ilya Shapiro, a lawyer at the libertarian Cato Insitute who co-authored a brief supporting Backpage, said the opinion "shows that courts are aware of this and will not countenance this use of power unless there's something criminal he's actually going after. " If Sheriff Dart "sees actual prostitution being transacted through Backpage he can go after those particular targets," Shapiro told BuzzFeed News.
While the decision only has direct effect in the area covered by the Seventh Circuit, Shapiro said that Posner is a respected judge and his reasoning will likely have "persuasive authority" with other judges. "I think that this will nip this sort of behavior in the bud, it was pretty blatant and pretty blunt. ".
While Visa issued an affadavit saying it wasn't threatened by Dart, Posner pointed to an emails between Visa employees charactertizing Dart's messages as "the subtle messages they've been sending us that could easily be taken for blackmail. ".
Posner noted Dart's letters to Visa and Mastercard were sent in his capacity as sheriff and pointed to legal statues, including money-laundering laws, which Posner said were "intimating that the credit card companies could be prosecuted for processing payments. ".
The letters were very effective. Dart told BuzzFeed News in July he was "stunned at how quickly Visa and MasterCard moved to say they weren't going to be involved in that anymore, they were incredible corporate citizens. ".
When Visa cut off Backpage, it issued a statement saying that its rules "prohibit our network from being used for illegal activity. Visa has a long history of working with law enforcement to safeguard the integrity of the payment system. ".
After Dart sent the letter to Visa, a Dart staffer told the company's legal team that it had scheduled a press conference and that they "would need to know tonight if that is the case so that we can ensure the Sheriff's messaging celebrates Visa's change in direction as opposed to pointing out its ties to sex trafficking. ".
Posner read this exchange as evidence "Visa and MasterCard were victims of government coercion aimed at shutting up or shutting down Backpage's adult section.
"To say effectively 'you have a nice little website there shame if anything would happen to it,' we can't let public official get away with that," Shapiro said.
After Backpage made its adult ads free, the Sheriff's office told the press "we were ready for this and not concerned. It's unsustainable for them to maintain all of their lobbying, legal battles and all the money it takes for their server space without any revenue coming in. " This, Posner wrote, showed that the Sheriff's office was trying to "to cause irreparable injury to Backpage. ".
A Visa spokesperson said today that it had no comment on the ruling "and our position has not changed. " A MasterCard spokesperson said "there has not been a change in Backpage's status in accepting our cards as a result of this decision. " Backpage's attorneys did not respond to requests for comments.
The Cook County Sheriff's Office said in its statement: "While we are not surprised by this opinion, we are nonetheless disappointed and respectfully disagree with its conclusions. We look forward to proceeding with this litigation and to doing all we can to protect victims from the horrors of human trafficking. ".
The sheriff's office could try to take the case to the Supreme Court but it has not indicated its future plans. Dart has been a long-time very public opponent of prostitution and has gained a national profile for his large scale arrests of johns.
Rest is online via the link.
I got a black girl in st Petersburg. Average size with nice curves. She pretty but note that she is not a spinner. She is in need of some extra money and my funds have dried up. The best part is that she gets into it big time but not GFE. Everything is covered for me. She will only see white guys so sorry no black men. She doesn't drive and may have to get a hotel or do in all. She asked me to get a few good men for her so I am throwing this out there for those who may be interested. You can discuss with her on pricing.
Not sure if this is an appropriate thing to post on here, but if this isn't the place there might not be one!
I'm was doing some surfing and stumbled on this site. It's apparently spurred by Orange is the New Blacks girls selling panties.
On the internet for commissary money. It's kind of a Facebook for mongers, LOL! The site's called PantyDeal, I haven't dropped a.
Cent on the site and it's still interesting! I'm guessing it might be more fun if you did?? Here's a link;.
[URL]http://pantydeal.com/[/URL]
Be safe, Snap.
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Posted in both TB and SP sections.
Had not been to the area in over twenty five years, we got in town late Jan., 21 stayed just over CCC in TB. First stop was Kim's spa in TB, they ask for membership #, "Ivy " cute younger Korean with nice attitude, hot sauna, nice TS, good massage, then on to 69. CBJ, Mish, $1. 8 , literally left with smile on my face.
Tourist stuff during the days, headed over to Atlantis in Largo Friday night, nice laid- back place, got a few dances then met a taller girl that promised I would leave happy, to the back for BBBJ $1. 6.
Won 1. 8 K at the casino the next day.
Sat. Thought I would check out Ocean massage in TB since it was close by, Crystal from NY gave a ok TS and massage then on to FS think it was $1. 6, probably would not return here.
Checked out a bunch of other clubs, stopped by Lipstixx, in TB place is a trip, the door was locked, I tried it again went inside, one girl dancing, got the prices, didn't stay long.
Drove over to mons venus, the first min. I was in the club a girl came running to the bounce complaining about a guy touching her in the "wrong place ". Still had fun here and 2001, small places.
Monday stopped by Ritz studio in TB, older lady (Nina) might have been worth the $1. 6 " full service pampering" they offer, left. Yoshiko spa was close, Sophia gave a nice TS and massage, she ask $. 8 for HJ, I countered with $ . 4 her attitude changed after this. Ended up paying. 6 since I forgot I left a. 2 on the table.
Tuesday was not sure where to try, ended up at the Pink Poney kinda early, 6-10 girls, half Cuban. " Jenny" a cute young Cuban girl came and sit with me grabbing my crotch asking about the private room, $2. 0 for twenty min. She said in broken English. Watched her and a few others dance, she came back over, I agreed to the private room, went to pay for the room, guy gave me a few free passes and told me "jenny" was drug and drama free.
Got a water, went to the room, she started with a few dances, her English got worst, ask if I wanted more, said it would be $3. 0 for FS, I countered with $1. 0 agreed on $2. 0.
Started with a nice long CBJ, CG, Then DS, she likes to put her hand around JR when hitting it DS, not cool. Still liked this place, the rooms are to much $ IMO.
Last day in town went back to 'old Reliable' Kim's, had my member # ready, hotttt sauna, TS, too 'pinchy' with the massage but a lot fun with "yume" 69. RCG, CG, DS she did not ask for money, I left $1. 6 on the desk when leaving. Introduced me to the other girl working.
Went to Oasis strip club in Clearwater a few times, like the place but had to wait over an hour for any girls to show up one night.
Will be back in a few months, thanks for all the reports.
Back in Ind. Now found a clean club with free cover, 3 dollar drinks & BBBJCIM for. 9 during the day, close to Chicago.
[QUOTE=Moneyshot;2777955]Posted in both TB and SP sections.
Had not been to the area in over twenty five years, we got in town late Jan., 21 stayed just over CCC in TB. First stop was Kim's spa in TB, they ask for membership #, "Ivy " cute younger Korean with nice attitude, hot sauna, nice TS, good massage, then on to 69. CBJ, Mish, $1. 8 , literally left with smile on my face.
Tourist stuff during the days, headed over to Atlantis in Largo Friday night, nice laid- back place, got a few dances then met a taller girl that promised I would leave happy, to the back for BBBJ $1. 6.
Won 1. 8 K at the casino the next day.
Sat. Thought I would check out Ocean massage in TB since it was close by, Crystal from NY gave a ok TS and massage then on to FS think it was $1. 6, probably would not return here.
Checked out a bunch of other clubs, stopped by Lipstixx, in TB place is a trip, the door was locked, I tried it again went inside, one girl dancing, got the prices, didn't stay long.
Drove over to mons venus, the first min. I was in the club a girl came running to the bounce complaining about a guy touching her in the "wrong place ". Still had fun here and 2001, small places.
Monday stopped by Ritz studio in TB, older lady (Nina) might have been worth the $1. 6 " full service pampering" they offer, left. Yoshiko spa was close, Sophia gave a nice TS and massage, she ask $. 8 for HJ, I countered with $ . 4 her attitude changed after this. Ended up paying. 6 since I forgot I left a. 2 on the table.
Tuesday was not sure where to try, ended up at the Pink Poney kinda early, 6-10 girls, half Cuban. " Jenny" a cute young Cuban girl came and sit with me grabbing my crotch asking about the private room, $2. 0 for twenty min. She said in broken English. Watched her and a few others dance, she came back over, I agreed to the private room, went to pay for the room, guy gave me a few free passes and told me "jenny" was drug and drama free.
Got a water, went to the room, she started with a few dances, her English got worst, ask if I wanted more, said it would be $3. 0 for FS, I countered with $1. 0 agreed on $2. 0.
Started with a nice long CBJ, CG, Then DS, she likes to put her hand around JR when hitting it DS, not cool. Still liked this place, the rooms are to much $ IMO.
Last day in town went back to 'old Reliable' Kim's, had my member # ready, hotttt sauna, TS, too 'pinchy' with the massage but a lot fun with "yume" 69. RCG, CG, DS she did not ask for money, I left $1. 6 on the desk when leaving. Introduced me to the other girl working.
Went to Oasis strip club in Clearwater a few times, like the place but had to wait over an hour for any girls to show up one night.
Will be back in a few months, thanks for all the reports.
Back in Ind. Now found a clean club with free cover, 3 dollar drinks & BBBJCIM for. 9 during the day, close to Chicago.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a great visit. Stay safe.
I'm sure this has all been covered ad nauseoum before but I was surprised to learn this.
I've banged hookers all over the country and world, and honestly in the rare times I did BB a chick, or even from BBBJ, biggest concern other than herpes (which lets face it, most everyone has oral herpes since we all had cold sores on our mouths since 5 years old, probably from some nasty relative who gave a kiss hello) was just a case of the drip, which I've gotten from hookers in Mexico. Unless you're banging hookers bare back in Africa or Haiti, needles were never a concern for me, even in Los Angeles, the girls were fairly clean and drug use was not an issue that I was even aware of, not the pill needle kind anyways.
However since moving here, the needle use is unlike anything I've ever seen anywhere, so HIV or HEP see is a huge concern for me since pretty much all the BP and SW girls are needle users and pretty much most of them will do bareback everything. I know this because I have 2 test questions I ask all the girls, 1. Do you like to party? And then I found out what drugs they use. And 2 I always ask a girl if they will BB. That way I know what I'm getting into. The girls who just like party drugs like weed, Molly, Coke, etc I'll spend more time with and have bare backed them. Needle users I really try to avoid.
One girl I knew and banged before, and she even took the condom off me and stuck it in her bareback a year ago when I saw her, recently admitted to me she had Hep see (she's from Pasco, in and out and recently back in with uncle, names similar to nectar). But she said oh it's not easy to catch it from sex.
I've been tested several times since then as I do about every 3 months and I'm clean. I was surprised when I actually researched it that it is indeed not easy to transmit HEP see sexually and according to one study only 1 in 190,000 cases in it transmitted sexually.
I also recall reading that it was extremely difficult for a guy to get HIV from a girl. I'll research that a bit more again. Of course this is all assuming you both don't have open bloody sores all over your genatalia.
I'm not saying this makes it safe or safer to bang hookers bareback especially known needle users but I'm always so paranoid about putting my penis in a providers vagina or ass without a a condom I expect it to just fall off the next day. I know we all play the odds with this, just wanted to share this report since I think most of the girls probably have HEP see at the very least whether we want to admit it or not.
[URL]http://www.healthline.com/health/hepatitis-c-sexual-transmission[/URL]#Transmission2.
[QUOTE=DrPotato;2799678]I'm sure this has all been covered ad nauseoum before but I was surprised to learn this.
I've banged hookers all over the country and world, and honestly in the rare times I did BB a chick, or even from BBBJ, biggest concern other than herpes (which lets face it, most everyone has oral herpes since we all had cold sores on our mouths since 5 years old, probably from some nasty relative who gave a kiss hello) was just a case of the drip, which I've gotten from hookers in Mexico. Unless you're banging hookers bare back in Africa or Haiti, needles were never a concern for me, even in Los Angeles, the girls were fairly clean and drug use was not an issue that I was even aware of, not the pill needle kind anyways.
However since moving here, the needle use is unlike anything I've ever seen anywhere, so HIV or HEP see is a huge concern for me since pretty much all the BP and SW girls are needle users and pretty much most of them will do bareback everything. I know this because I have 2 test questions I ask all the girls, 1. Do you like to party? And then I found out what drugs they use. And 2 I always ask a girl if they will BB. That way I know what I'm getting into. The girls who just like party drugs like weed, Molly, Coke, etc I'll spend more time with and have bare backed them. Needle users I really try to avoid.
One girl I knew and banged before, and she even took the condom off me and stuck it in her bareback a year ago when I saw her, recently admitted to me she had Hep see (she's from Pasco, in and out and recently back in with uncle, names similar to nectar). But she said oh it's not easy to catch it from sex.
I've been tested several times since then as I do about every 3 months and I'm clean. I was surprised when I actually researched it that it is indeed not easy to transmit HEP see sexually and according to one study only 1 in 190,000 cases in it transmitted sexually.
I also recall reading that it was extremely difficult for a guy to get HIV from a girl. I'll research that a bit more again. Of course this is all assuming you both don't have open bloody sores all over your genatalia.
I'm not saying this makes it safe or safer to bang hookers bareback especially known needle users but I'm always so paranoid about putting my penis in a providers vagina or ass without a a condom I expect it to just fall off the next day. I know we all play the odds with this, just wanted to share this report since I think most of the girls probably have HEP see at the very least whether we want to admit it or not.
[URL]http://www.healthline.com/health/hepatitis-c-sexual-transmission[/URL]#Transmission2.[/QUOTE]Thanks Dr. Potato for the info. I take it you're not a real doctor, but just play one on USASG, LOL. But it's great that you did some research (maybe you are a doctor!) I have had concerns of my own, dating back to the '80's when I barebacked a Mons dancer (in the club no less!) And some years later, after posting my adventure on a blog, got responses that I must have been crazy, I may be dead soon, etc. I know the girl was a crack smoker, but not sure about needles. I did have several tests with good results over the years since then--it was almost 30 years ago it happened. And then later, I was at Ybor Strip getting a BBBJ in the back room from a gorgeous blonde named Candy--she was their website cover girl for years. After some fine sucking, she turned around and offered her pussy to me doggy style and said "you know what I want!" My cock was less than an inch away when I remembered a post from a guy named Bart (anyone remember him and his Bartmobile?) who freaked after doing bareback in the same club. I backed off, and a few weeks later found out this girl had AIDS! She died shortly after that and I breathed a huge sigh of relief! Recently, in a Pasco club I was daty-ing a girl in the back and straightened up to find Mr. Happy right at the honey hole, and, yes, he did take a short trip inside, but I quickly pulled out. I admit that bb is an attraction for me, as I do not like condoms, but I try to keep it under control. This article you posted will give me something to think about.