"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Literal2;1159257]I don't know any way to get a room without some kind of I'd. I've thought about asking the girl to get the room and then reimburse her but I haven't tried it. I just try to be careful with who sees the bill for the room. Let me know if you come up with something else. Good luck Monday. You have to be patient in this business.[/QUOTE]Some of the girls may not be able to get the room, it seems many of them lack, or have maxed out, credit cards. You could try reserving the room on a credit card, then settling up with cash when you check out.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1159257]I don't know any way to get a room without some kind of I'd. I've thought about asking the girl to get the room and then reimburse her but I haven't tried it. I just try to be careful with who sees the bill for the room. Let me know if you come up with something else. Good luck Monday. You have to be patient in this business.[/QUOTE]My issue is the leaving of a paper trail. In pursuing this hobby I try to avoid anything that puts me someplace at a specific date and time. It puts a damper on deniability. This is my first meeting with CSB4 so I don't know if she has a credit card or is comfortable with her getting the room. I'm going to pay cash for the room so CC is not an issue. I've had escorts get the room and I cover it with no problem. Just another issue to work through with SB's.

[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin;1159400]I always tell them,"use my work address so I can expense it" and then give them some bogus address. If you use any decent motel (Holiday Inn Express, Days Inn or better) there's a not-insignificant chance you will receive crap in the mail from them. Which can be damn difficult to explain to the Warden. .[/QUOTE]This is a good idea. Thanks. I'll try it.

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1159430]Some of the girls may not be able to get the room, it seems many of them lack, or have maxed out, credit cards. You could try reserving the room on a credit card, then settling up with cash when you check out.[/QUOTE]Interesting concept. But I wonder if it will raise suspicion. Also not sure if you gain anything because they have your I. D. Info anyway. Usually I pay for the room in advance with a credit card and the bill shows up under the door in the morning marked paid.

Of the seven sb's who have actually opened their pussy for me in the last couple months, four did so in their own homes and three were at a hotel. FYI.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1159616]Interesting concept. But I wonder if it will raise suspicion. Also not sure if you gain anything because they have your I. D. Info anyway. Usually I pay for the room in advance with a credit card and the bill shows up under the door in the morning marked paid.[/QUOTE]Yes, but if you pay with cash the room doesn't show up on your credit card statement for the SO to see.

[QUOTE=KC Questor;1159699]Yes, but if you pay with cash the room doesn't show up on your credit card statement for the SO to see.[/QUOTE]That's right. I hadn't thought of that. It's a good idea if the SO reviews your cc bill, that's for sure.

And the only one worse than your SO to question your notel bill on the CC is your SO's divorce lawyer! Always use cash and destroy the paid receipt. Just my two cents worth. Play safe. Pb

I don't have a significant other so I haven't give this a lot of thought, but with that said, here are a few ideas:

Purchase a pre-paid credit card with enough of a balance for a hotel to reserve a room. Not sure if that will work with reserving a hotel, but worth a try. If it does work, and if they don't ask for ID, then give a fake name & address when you register since a pre-paid card isn't tied to your name or address.

Purchase a pre-paid cell phone to use only for sugar baby activities. Always turn it off when not expecting contact. It also shields you somewhat from unwanted contact if they turn out to be crazy, flaky or clingy.

If your SO would be confused seeing you with a burner phone, look into Google Voice. Some people don't like it because Google probably keeps records and it is tied to your phone, but for those guys who can't chance their SO finding a spare phone it is awesome.

Google Voice sets you up with a second phone number and forwards calls to that number to your cell phone (or anywhere you want). You can set up personalized greetings and specific instructions for callers in your contact list or not.

So someone you don't know calls the number and it goes straight to voicemail with a generic message."Stripper Bambi" calls and it goes to voicemail with a personalized message."SB Susan" calls and it rings to your phone, but she doesn't know your real number and if she gets clingy she shunted off to voicemail land or just gets blocked.

[QUOTE=KC Questor; 1159922]If your SO would be confused seeing you with a burner phone, look into Google Voice. Some people don't like it because Google probably keeps records and it is tied to your phone, but for those guys who can't chance their SO finding a spare phone it is awesome.

Google Voice sets you up with a second phone number and forwards calls to that number to your cell phone (or anywhere you want). You can set up personalized greetings and specific instructions for callers in your contact list or not.

So someone you don't know calls the number and it goes straight to voicemail with a generic message."Stripper Bambi" calls and it goes to voicemail with a personalized message."SB Susan" calls and it rings to your phone, but she doesn't know your real number and if she gets clingy she shunted off to voicemail land or just gets blocked. [/QUOTE]The problem I can see with that is if a person's SO answers the phone. Then you have to explain to your SO who that girl was that was calling you.

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1159959]The problem I can see with that is if a person's SO answers the phone. Then you have to explain to your SO who that girl was that was calling you.[/QUOTE]But your SO wouldn't be suspicious when a second phone starts ringing? So you leave it off and hide it and pray she never finds it.

That's why the Google Voice controls are so great. You can set up individual instructions for every possible incoming call. So someone who would be suspicious goes straight to voicemail (and it will even e-mail you a transcript of the voicemail so you don't have to call in to check it). It shows up as voicemail from an ordinary phone number, which you can even enter in as a contact and name it something unsuspicious like "Office. Shipping Department". The only people who you let ring through are ones you know, or trust to be cool if the wife answers.

The biggest concern a lot of guys have with Google is that it is pretty clear that Google will be archiving the call logs. I might be worried about that if I was dealing with large agencies which might be the target of federal stings. But for calls to independent girls or SBs, I don't care what Google does. That data isn't going to be public or found by a SO.

Google Voice sounds like it may have real benefits for our hobby. I'm going to look into it.

Pre-paid credit cards and phones have potential as well.

Cash at checkout makes sense too.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1158723]The great thing about this hobby is that there are always, always more girls. Good luck.[/QUOTE]First of all CSB4 canceled. Bummer. She messaged me today about how sorry she was and still wants to get together. This may be more then it's worth. Good news is Literal is right,"there's always, always more girls." I have another trip scheduled for Thursday with three possible SB to see. I've got to make up my mind today. One clearly seems to be an amature, another could be a semi-pro and I'm not sure what the third is. She projects a strong sense of neediness and I haven't even seen her yet. I'll let you know who gets the coveted designation of CSB5,

Thanks everybody for all your tips about the hotel. Hopefully I'll get to implement soon.

Coolhand

[QUOTE=Coolhand2; 1160630]First of all CSB4 canceled. Bummer. She messaged me today about how sorry she was and still wants to get together. This may be more then it's worth. Good news is Literal is right,"there's always, always more girls." I have another trip scheduled for Thursday with three possible SB to see. I've got to make up my mind today. One clearly seems to be an amature, another could be a semi-pro and I'm not sure what the third is. She projects a strong sense of neediness and I haven't even seen her yet. I'll let you know who gets the coveted designation of CSB5,

Thanks everybody for all your tips about the hotel. Hopefully I'll get to implement soon.

Coolhand[/QUOTE]It sucks when they cancel. I always give a 2nd chance, but never a 3rd. If someone cancels twice in a row, it indicates to me that she's not serious and we're done. Literal is right, there are always more girls, so no sense in putting up with a flake.

Why just CSB5? Why not CSB5, CSB6 and CSB7? Only teasing, I can only handle 1 SB at a time myself. Good Luck!

Cool, that sucks. Tough luck, man. The hottest girls are the ones most likely to cancel.

I've been burned a few times and don't really have any way to prevent it completely.

I'm not looking right now because I have two sb's I can have whenever I get loose and they are the two I want but I can't get loose and may not be able to for another week or so. This is a different kind of bummer but goes with the hobby.

What I've found on the sb sites is that when a girl says she'll meet it doesn't mean anything. She has to confirm and reconfirm a specific time and place. It looks like you did that. The other thing is, if any part of her discussion, for example, about the allowance, sounds like she's not happy she is likely to cancel or not show no matter how much she reconfirms.

Out of seven successful sb episodes so far, I didn't discuss allowance specifically at all before the meeting in three cases. If you do discuss it specifically in advance you will have a better close rate if your proposal is above the market for pros. (I realize this is obvious and not a brilliant insight, but I think it should be mentioned.) My least costly sbs were the ones who never discussed it. The only time I had an extended discussion about allowance was with a Euro babe model type who finally agreed to meet for a ridiculous amount offered by Mr Johnson and gave me her home address and a time but I canceled because she had become too expensive. She then kept trying to reschedule but I kept Johnson out of the discussion and didn't. So I think the less discussion about it the better. Others may disagree, just my views. I'm learning. When it comes to girls I'm a life long learner and never understand them 100 percent.

A certain number of sb girls are very definite right away. The ones like this I've been with already know a specific place they want to meet and will offer it. Sometimes these aren't the hottest girls though. But you can get lucky. One of my ATF's was this way.

[QUOTE=Spitfire; 1161174]It sucks when they cancel. I always give a 2nd chance, but never a 3rd. If someone cancels twice in a row, it indicates to me that she's not serious and we're done. Literal is right, there are always more girls, so no sense in putting up with a flake.

Why just CSB5? Why not CSB5, CSB6 and CSB7? Only teasing, I can only handle 1 SB at a time myself. Good Luck! [/QUOTE]I hope I'd quit after a couple of cancellations too or just one no show. But Johnson sometimes has his own agenda.

[QUOTE=Spitfire; 1161174]It sucks when they cancel. I always give a 2nd chance, but never a 3rd. If someone cancels twice in a row, it indicates to me that she's not serious and we're done. Literal is right, there are always more girls, so no sense in putting up with a flake.

Why just CSB5? Why not CSB5, CSB6 and CSB7? Only teasing, I can only handle 1 SB at a time myself. Good Luck![/QUOTE]The votes are in and after careful consideration the selection committee has awarded the coveted designation of CSB5 to the amature! Mid-thirties. 5'8", built nice (if the pictures are correct) , and a really great rack. Don't know if she's a single Mom or not. We're set to meet tomorrow evening after she picks her Mom up from work and takes her home. (What a sweet girl!) I hope to break my bad streak with this one. If so then I can go after CSB6, CSB7, CSB8, etc, etc etc.

I hope CSB5 went well for Cool.

I've had trouble breaking free to see my two sweetheart keeper utr sb's SB4 and SB9. Even though SB4 is hotter I keep thinking about SB9, her super sensitive nipples and the way she rubbed her wet little pussy back and forth on my hand until she came while she tongued my dick. I also love the way she DFKs. I've only been with her once and with limited vitamin V left I have to make a choice. SB4 is great but I might be risking more of a relationship with her than I want. Besides I've had her three times. I didn't think I'd get free to see anyone this weekend but then I got this sweet email from SB9 saying she wanted another big cum and her allowance. She's very relaxed about sex and very responsive. So Johnson has decided to risk it and sneak out later today and fuck her again. God I love this hobby.

Well CSB5 was a partial bust which was not her fault. As it turned out I only had 30 minutes to meet. I met her at her home where we sit and chatted for the time I had. Nice girl, pictures are accurate and she can actually hold a conversation. To be honest it wasn't the words coming out of her mouth that interested me. We'll have to see where it goes from here. My problem is I can't get to my meeting city until sometime in the 1st week of April. March was not a good month for me as far as SB's go. Here's to a successful April!

Thanks for updating, Cool. This stuff can be frustrating. I had a long dry stretch that seemed to go on for ever a while back. You just have to keep at it. At the same time you can't let security slip.

My second session SB9 yesterday was very satisfying. The session was rushed because I didn't have much time. She says she likes girls too and hinted at us possibly getting together with her hot friends. That would be a fantasy of mine come true but the security would be a nightmare so even if she's serious it will never happen. But I can dream.

Now I am totally out of my little blue pills and have to get the prescription renewed, which will take some time, so I doubt much is going to happen for a while. This is a shame because in addition to SB4 and SB9 another girl who looks hot and is a college student keeps trying to get together with me. She tried calling me through the sb website's anonymous calling service about 10 times yesterday. I have asked her for a more revealing photo though and she hasn't given me one yet. So I'm worried she's chunky or something.

[QUOTE=Coolhand2;1163174]Well CSB5 was a partial bust which was not her fault. As it turned out I only had 30 minutes to meet. I met her at her home where we sit and chatted for the time I had. [/QUOTE]Amen to April.

Let me ask you something. OK, you only had 30 minutes, but you were alone with her right? So what did you think would happen if while she was chatting away, after five minutes or so, you just picked up her hand and kept listening to her and when she stopped you said,"You have such pretty hands," or something like that? Or what if you just stroked her hair, her back, upper arms, etc, while she was talking, just to get her warmed up. This would leave you 20 minutes or so to complete, minus five to put your pants back on, etc. Or was her body language telling you not to try it?

30 minutes is cutting it close though, I agree.

SM's only, I need some help on any white 21-40 lady thats secure, no drama and not over $150 for a visit. Prefer one who does massages.

I've had 1 nice sb before but lost her. Went to meet one tonight and I'm in a wheelchair which makes it tough. 30 min drive I find STEPS! She came out and was sexy as hell. My luck!

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1163699]Amen to April.

Let me ask you something. OK, you only had 30 minutes, but you were alone with her right? So what did you think would happen if while she was chatting away, after five minutes or so, you just picked up her hand and kept listening to her and when she stopped you said,"You have such pretty hands," or something like that? Or what if you just stroked her hair, her back, upper arms, etc, while she was talking, just to get her warmed up. This would leave you 20 minutes or so to complete, minus five to put your pants back on, etc. Or was her body language telling you not to try it?

30 minutes is cutting it close though, I agree.[/QUOTE]Your question is a valid one. What was stopping me was the 30 minutes and I had no leeway. I was afraid that if I started something and she was receptive the little head would take control from the big head and I would have a lot of explaining to do. Trust me, I more then you wish I had an answer. It would help me decide if I want to pursue this further. Come on April!

[QUOTE=Literal2;1163649]Now I am totally out of my little blue pills and have to get the prescription renewed, which will take some time, so I doubt much is going to happen for a while. This is a shame because in addition to SB4 and SB9 another girl who looks hot and is a college student keeps trying to get together with me. She tried calling me through the sb website's anonymous calling service about 10 times yesterday. I have asked her for a more revealing photo though and she hasn't given me one yet. So I'm worried she's chunky or something.[/QUOTE]You may be aware of all this but here goes. First of all my Doc writes the script for double the dosage that I need. I split the pills so they go twice as far. I discovered a little while back that the script was for ten but my insurance would only pay for six. I started paying for the other four which gives me eight more doses. This has helped me from running out. The downside is I noticed it now takes 3/4 of a pill for the same effect so they're not going as far. (Getting old sucks!).

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Jw Themax;1163962]I've had 1 nice sb before but lost her. Went to meet one tonight and I'm in a wheelchair which makes it tough. 30 min drive I find STEPS! She came out and was sexy as hell. My luck![/QUOTE]Bad luck JW! Damn steps! Oh well, there are plenty more girls to try. Never give up. It's great that you're in the game.

[QUOTE=Coolhand2;1164115]Your question is a valid one. What was stopping me was the 30 minutes and I had no leeway. I was afraid that if I started something and she was receptive the little head would take control from the big head and I would have a lot of explaining to do. Trust me, I more then you wish I had an answer. It would help me decide if I want to pursue this further. Come on April![/QUOTE]Yeah, that probably made sense. I still think about girls I nearly fucked but didn't. A long time ago a beauty I didn't know asked me over to her place to put suntan lotion on her back and took off her blouse. I just did what she asked and then left.

[QUOTE=Coolhand2; 1164121]You may be aware of all this but here goes. First of all my Doc writes the script for double the dosage that I need. I split the pills so they go twice as far. I discovered a little while back that the script was for ten but my insurance would only pay for six. I started paying for the other four which gives me eight more doses. This has helped me from running out. The downside is I noticed it now takes 3/4 of a pill for the same effect so they're not going as far. (Getting old sucks!).

Hope this helps. [/QUOTE]Thanks. I know what you mean about using more over time. I used up my supply faster than I anticipated.

How do you go about finding these sugar babies? Seems like a hit or miss kind of deal.

[QUOTE=Richmond Mas;1165351]How do you go about finding these sugar babies? Seems like a hit or miss kind of deal.[/QUOTE]Yes it's hit or miss. Try googling sugardaddy / sugarbaby or seeking arrangements.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1165965]Yes it's hit or miss. Try googling sugardaddy / sugarbaby or seeking arrangements.[/QUOTE]I recently joined this one. [url]www.sugardaddyforme.com[/url] Has a lot of potential. I've gotton a lot of e-mails from the sugar-babies. I'm filtering through them and replying to the one's I think have the potential to be something. I'll keep you posted if anything good happens.

It's very hit or miss. Another site I frequent has women who list themselves as having 'modeled' for these sites, so I believe the sites load some 'fakes' or 'ringers'. Whatever you want to call it to generate interest. With that said, there are genuine women worth meeting. It's just effort to wade through the scams and time wasters.

[QUOTE=Mrjlg10; 1166413]I recently joined this one.

[url]www.sugardaddyforme.com[/url]

Has a lot of potential. I've gotton a lot of e-mails from the sugar-babies. I'm filtering through them and replying to the one's I think have the potential to be something. I'll keep you posted if anything good happens. [/QUOTE]There are lots of phonies and flakes plus a whole lot of girls who don't really seem to know what they want. Plus chemistry is much more important than it is with an escort. If she doesn't like the way you look or talk or describe yourself or your pix she isn't going to see you (unless she really is a pro and there are a few of these on the site). I find the most exciting part to be sorting through the different girls and wondering whether this one or that one is going to really take off her panties for me, just like dating except that the girls don't expect a permanent relationship. You can have a lot of fun with these girls. I have settled on two for now and I fuck them both whenever I can, which is about every two weeks. This is very satisfying for me, but I miss the chase and I will resume trolling for new girls in a few more weeks I think.

[QUOTE=Richmond Mas;1165351]Seems like a hit or miss kind of deal.[/QUOTE]Things have been sort of quiet on the SB front but I have something I wanted to pass on. It's been mentioned how you really have to work at sorting through the SB's. Here's an example. I had been messaging back and forth with what seemed to be a very interesting prospect. Mid 20's. 5'7, and a nice body based on her pics. She gave me her number and asked me to call. In our conversation she proceeds to tell me about her recent divorce and she's only on the site because she needs financial help with her 5 year old son. She wants to have a dinner meeting so we can see if we will hit it off. After the call I decided to google the phone number and what should turn up; a BP ad. Not only a BP ad but the ad used the same pictures as she used on the SB site. Hell, she looked good enough that with a couple of good reviews I would have seen her as an escort. It's not only the men who misrepresent themselves on the SB / SD site.

Cool, I know there are some pros on the sb sites. But hey, if the girl is hot, you may want to fuck her just for sport.

I'm having trouble with the damn sb numbers. I think the following are the right sb numbers.

I'm getting some more blue fuel Monday and the warden is going to be away for a few days next week. I immediatey lined up my keeper beauty sb utrs sb4 and sb9 for consecutive days. I know these two will open their giners, ooze girlcum, invite my penetration, thrust their lttle clits out and squrim and moan before cumming hard to try to acquire my semen. That can be satsifying. But this will be 4th time for sb4 and 3rd time for sb9 so for me the anticipation isn't there.

However, I re-contacted a woman outside the age group I like (23-29) who previously wanted commitment plus a ridiculous amount of allowance. She says she is 39 but looks younger and her pix are hot. I think she may ready for penetration now. I'll call her sb12. I've scheduled her the day before the other two. We haven't discussed allowance.

I'm excited to be closing in on fresh pussy with backups in case of misfire.

Meanwhile I sent sb11 a little sugar just to keep her interested. She's 21 she says and I can't get to her for another few weeks. I wasn't going to do this because sb3 never met me after I gave her some sugar, but guess what? Sb3 is back on my radar and we are sending sexy emails. She clearly wants more sugar, and I clearly want penetration. No agreement yet. A perfect match? We shall see what happens when I next try to see her which will be next month.

[QUOTE=Coolhand2;1169210]She wants to have a dinner meeting so we can see if we will hit it off. After the call I decided to google the phone number and what should turn up; a BP ad. Not only a BP ad but the ad used the same pictures as she used on the SB site. Hell, she looked good enough that with a couple of good reviews I would have seen her as an escort. It's not only the men who misrepresent themselves on the SB / SD site.[/QUOTE]CH, I personally would rather have a SB=fresh pussy than a BP pro. I was looking at the SB site and found that you have to invest a lot of time in these things. With an escort you call pay and bang that's it. With the sugar babies, one have to wine and dine these babies. I don't really know. I am big, fat and not the best looking guy around may be even boring. What is the chance that a real SB would pick me?

With Escort Benjamen does the trick. I might give it a try. I had several mails, but don't know enough to deal.

[QUOTE=Richmond Mas; 1170187]CH, I personally would rather have a SB=fresh pussy than a BP pro. I was looking at the SB site and found that you have to invest a lot of time in these things. With an escort you call pay and bang that's it. With the sugar babies, one have to wine and dine these babies. I don't really know. I am big, fat and not the best looking guy around may be even boring. What is the chance that a real SB would pick me?

With Escort Benjamen does the trick. I might give it a try. I had several mails, but don't know enough to deal. [/QUOTE]I agree CH's information is good to have. There are all kinds of girls on these sites.

RM, for sure it is more certain if you book a pro.

You say you are big and fat and how likely is it an sb will pick you. I don't know. The sb site lists over 600 girls within 25 miles of Richmond whose profile says they are ample, cuddly or very cuddly. Also, many of the girls who describe themselves as average are really overweight. So you could target heavy girls as one option. Another thing is that dating sbs is not like a regular date with wining and dining at least I haven't done it that way. Sometimes the girl wants to see you somewhere other than alone before she agrees to see you alone but that doesn't have to be wine and dine. It could be coffee at Burger King or even a parking lot. Or meet at a bar for a drink. I don't take them out on a date for a discussion. If they want I meet them briefly some place public so they can see what I look like but they understand that if they don't walk away we are going to go to a room to be alone and get it on.

A big difference with regular dating is that you both know the girl wants sugar and you both understand you aren't Prince Charming. Sex is a matter of whether she can stand you, not a matter of whether she would pick you out of a crowd.

So I don't think you have to be negative about the way you think you look etc. There's never any harm in trying. You might get lucky. With thousands of girls to choose from you probably will get lucky. If you want to improve the odds, target the heavy girls and see what happens. Or if you don't like the game with sbs and you want a more sure thing, go for the pros.

Just my views. No offense intended to anyone with different views.

[QUOTE=Coolhand2;1169210]Things have been sort of quiet on the SB front but I have something I wanted to pass on. It's been mentioned how you really have to work at sorting through the SB's. Here's an example. I had been messaging back and forth with what seemed to be a very interesting prospect. Mid 20's. 5'7, and a nice body based on her pics. She gave me her number and asked me to call. In our conversation she proceeds to tell me about her recent divorce and she's only on the site because she needs financial help with her 5 year old son. She wants to have a dinner meeting so we can see if we will hit it off. After the call I decided to google the phone number and what should turn up; a BP ad. Not only a BP ad but the ad used the same pictures as she used on the SB site. Hell, she looked good enough that with a couple of good reviews I would have seen her as an escort. It's not only the men who misrepresent themselves on the SB / SD site.[/QUOTE]Cool, I joined a site suggarbabbies4you, but could do much they wanted me to join to view any profile. What is your recommendation. I know I got to pay to be in the game, but I do want to join a good site and not just any site.

New starting out on this sugarbabies thing. Any info is appreciated to get me started.

[QUOTE=Coolhand2;1169210]Things have been sort of quiet on the SB front but I have something I wanted to pass on. It's been mentioned how you really have to work at sorting through the SB's. Here's an example. I had been messaging back and forth with what seemed to be a very interesting prospect. Mid 20's. 5'7, and a nice body based on her pics. She gave me her number and asked me to call. In our conversation she proceeds to tell me about her recent divorce and she's only on the site because she needs financial help with her 5 year old son. She wants to have a dinner meeting so we can see if we will hit it off. After the call I decided to google the phone number and what should turn up; a BP ad. Not only a BP ad but the ad used the same pictures as she used on the SB site. Hell, she looked good enough that with a couple of good reviews I would have seen her as an escort. It's not only the men who misrepresent themselves on the SB / SD site.[/QUOTE]Everything she said could still be true. I know of one escort in my area who used the SD / SB approach to ease her way out of the 'business' but still have a way to support herself while getting her act together. But it's always good to investigate, it's interesting to see what can turn up.