This is about as stupid as it gets
[URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/09/us-usa-california-homicide-idUSKBN0FE1KZ20140709[/URL]
Letting any provider, no matter how high-priced or "high-class" she is, inject you with anything (and then expecting her to call for help if something goes wrong) is a recipe for disaster. Earth to dead executive, she's a hooker and while you're enjoying the paid sex you also need to take care to ensure your personal safety and well-being because things can go to sh*t in a hurry if you don't.
And here I thought Google only hired the best and the brightest.
Interesting Economist article about internet's effect on the hobby
[URL]http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21611074-how-new-technology-shaking-up-oldest-business-more-bang-your-buck[/URL]
Not a short article but worth reading, IMHO.
Be careful with the first chart as the price data is adjusted for local cost of living and can be a bit misleading. For example, saying that Tokyo (one of the world's most expensive cities) has a lower price level on an adjusted basis doesn't mean nominal prices aren't high. So, while the price of an escort in Tokyo might be higher than in Cleveland or Atlanta, for the authors it's still a good deal on a relative basis because everything else in Tokyo is so damn expensive.
The problem with that analysis is, if you're a visitor and not a resident, what you really care about is the total hit to your wallet. But lots of other interesting info about supply and demand and different trends around the world.
One clear takeaway is that the DMV is a victim of its own success. Being the center of government, lobbying and other ancillary government services means we escape most of the worst effects of any economic downturn. And that means we're a magnet for providers from all over who are looking to get paid more for their services than they can get in their local markets.
Amsterdam, FKKs and a Frankfurt travel tip
[QUOTE=DrunkerIrish;2283825]Sutr,
Great find and excellent article. Explains a lot, and in particular the screening process and why girls want certain information. I think the rates are based on online incall or escorts. The rates at FKK, relight district in Amsterdam, and 'barber shops' in Shanghai are MUCH cheaper for similar service, but different 'conditions' like a booth in Amsterdam.[/QUOTE]In reading the article, it seems they got their price data from either the oThER site or some other major review site. Prices are understandably lower in countries where the hobby is either legal or where there's little or no enforcement. Haven't yet been to Shanghai but I've enjoyed both Germany and the Netherlands.
In fact, when making an overnight connection through Frankfurt (arrive during the day / eve with onward flight the next morning), an interesting alternative to a regular hotel room is to spend the night at an FKK instead. I'm sure it's possible with other German cities but here's one way to do it in Frankfurt:
Pay a few euros to leave larger bags overnight at the airport storage counter (take toiletries and anything else you need in a small bag) and then take the train or bus to the city center. From there take a taxi to a one of the well-reviewed FKKs (some will even pick you up from the airport for a fee). At the FKK you pay a cover charge for a locker, an all you can eat / drink (non-alcoholic) buffet, clean shower area, quiet areas to rest or sleep, and of course a wide variety of providers to choose from. Each is independent and while there's a standard fee structure you can negotiate for special services (make sure you bring enough cash as there may not be an ATM at the FKK). Here's one link to check out for more info:
[URL]http://www.frankfurt-nightlife-guide.com/sauna-clubs-fkk/[/URL]
The cost is definitely less than paying for a hotel, food and an escort. If you need to explain (for work or SO) why you didn't get a hotel, you can just say you spent the night at the airport to save money and time. Of course, don't forget to pay attention to important logistical issues. For example, double-check open / close times for both the FKK and the airport storage counter. If the FKK closes at 4 or 5 am, make sure you've prearranged your transportation back to the airport. Also, since airport storage isn't 24/7 make sure it opens in time to get your bags and make your flight.
Damn, writing this post brings back some great memories! Sure wish the US would move more in the direction of Europe when it comes to the hobby.
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Gents,
If you guys want to discuss traveling to international destinations to get laid, why don't you visit my International Sex Guide forum at:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info[/url]
Thanks,
Jackson
FYI we have whole sections on FKK's in Germany
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Blue Sky Alleged Bawdy House Manassas Va
Police: Manassas massage parlor was front for prostitution ring.
http://www.insidenova.com/headlines/police-manassas-massage-parlor-was-front-for-prostitution-ring/article_f97531aa-c81a-11e4-9db4-2f15b4be87bc.html
Two women have been charged with running a prostitution ring out of a Manassas massage parlor. Investigators with the Manassas police department and the Prince William County / Manassas / Manassas Park Vice Narcotics Task Force executed a search warrant on March 10 at Blue Sky Massage, 8701 Digges Road, in Manassas, ending a three-month-long investigation into allegations that women at that business were exchanging sexual services for money. Manassas police spokeswoman Adrienne Helms said in a news release. Two women were arrested and charged with maintaining a bawdy house.
The police investigation is ongoing and more charges are pending, Helms said.
Good news for married mongers
[URL]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/japan-ruling-paying-for-sex-not-adultery-strictly-business/[/URL]
Partaking in the hobby is not adultery since it's strictly a business transaction. Of course, to get the full benefit of the court's ruling you'll need to move to Japan. Now if only the USA would catch up to the rest of the world and leave consensual adult behavior alone!
Loudoun County CL sting and bust
I came across this article on one of Loudoun's local online news sites. Apparently, a newly minted Loudoun County deputy was busted via a prostitution sting originating from CL. Not sure the details on the sting but anyway be careful out there if you troll CL.
[URL]http://www.loudountimes.com/news/article/leesburg_deputy_arrested_for_soliciting_prostitution898[/URL]
Amnesty Intl supports sex trade decriminalization
[URL]http://cnnphilippines.com/world/2015/08/12/Amnesty-International-votes-in-support-of-decriminalizing-sex-trade.html[/URL]
One more voice drawing a clear distinction between consensual adult conduct and non-consensual trafficking. Probably won't have any short-term effect but one can hope that the tide will eventually start to turn in the USA.
"Operation Cross Country"
Did anyone see this report on one of the local TV stations?
[URL]http://wjla.com/news/local/nationwide-fbi-child-sex-trafficking-sting-saves-149-children-more-than-150-arrests-made[/URL]
I'm skeptical of their numbers
[QUOTE=TomMcAn;2649217]Did anyone see this report on one of the local TV stations?
[URL]http://wjla.com/news/local/nationwide-fbi-child-sex-trafficking-sting-saves-149-children-more-than-150-arrests-made[/URL][/QUOTE]When they say they arrested more than 150 pimps and others, does that mean 120 pimps and 35 drivers, or 10 pimps and 145 guys who didn't know they were meeting someone who wasn't really 21 like her ad said?
Story from VA Beach area with more details
[QUOTE=BunkerBuster;2649611]When they say they arrested more than 150 pimps and others, does that mean 120 pimps and 35 drivers, or 10 pimps and 145 guys who didn't know they were meeting someone who wasn't really 21 like her ad said?[/QUOTE][URL]http://wtkr.com/2015/10/13/five-accused-virginia-beach-pimps-denied-bond/[/URL]
This story says 3 juveniles were rescued and dozens of pimps arrested in VA Beach and other area towns. It also gives some background about how a dating relationship with one juvenile apparently turned into a pimped relationship. It may be accurate or it may be hyped up but here are some general observations:
If LE targets enough BP ads with young-looking providers they're bound to find a few of them who are underage. Not only are their overall numbers vague, but they also don't give a total number of incidents from which the 149 rescued children and 150 pimps and "others" are drawn. Since it was a nationwide sting (over how many weeks / months, I wonder) are we talking 1,000 incidents? 10,000? 50,000? Why that's relevant is because knowing the total would show what is the real extent of the problem, in percentage terms.
What's also relevant is the age breakdown of the 149. How many were 17? How many were 16? This becomes important when you consider that the age of consent in many states is lower than 18. Here's a chart that spells out at what age someone can legally consent to sex and also whether there's a defense in that state when the minor appears older than her actual age. What's interesting is that, if Federal statutes are used (such as anti-trafficking) I've read that the age of consent gets artificially bumped up to 18 even if the state where the arrest takes place uses a lower age for violations under state statutes.
[URL]http://www.ageofconsent.us/[/URL]
So, even though local LE has had vice units for a long, long time, it pays to partner with the FBI because that brings the tougher Fed rules into play. And it also pays in a more literal sense because a sh*tload of $ gets funneled into local departments and task forces for anything having an anti-trafficking label. And that means, even admitting there is some level of problem with trafficking of underage providers, it's simply not possible to take LE's numbers and characterization at face value because they have a clear, self-serving motive to make the trafficking issue look as big as possible.
Bottom line for LEO: no, we're not going to just take your word for it.
Bottom line for hobbyists: do your homework and don't take a chance on any provider who looks to be anywhere close to the adult / juvenile line.
Man shot and killed as he tried to strangle escort he met via BP
Damn! Just a reminder why many providers are so skittish and defensive when meeting clients for the first time.
From the details of the story, it appears the intended victim turned the tables on the predator and sent him to that special place in hell that waits for serial killers.
[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/neal-falls-las-vegas-dismemberments_us_55b08bc4e4b0a9b94853b60c?[/URL]
This guy deserves to go down
[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2840584]I guess this shows how the Man can get you if he really wants you.
Here's the news story:
[URL]http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2016/03/14/ags-office-announce-charges-against-prosecutor-dunnings/81758756/[/URL]
And here's the LE affidavit:
[URL]http://www.michigan.gov/documents/ag/Stuart_Dunnings-Affidavit_-_54A_-_Dunnings_516941_7.pdf[/URL]
Not sure how misdemeanor charges work in Michigan when the act isn't witnessed by LEO (as it would be in a sting operation). But the real hammer is the accusation of using his position to entice someone into prostitution.
Any legal beagles care to offer an opinion?[/QUOTE]It's not about "the man" getting someone. This is a prosecutor who denounced prostitution, took away mongers' cars and charged them with felonies, while at the same time taking a woman who came to him for legal help and protection and turning her into his unwilling sugar baby.
[QUOTE]He is facing a total of 15 criminal charges in Ingham, Clinton and Ionia counties, the most serious being a felony charge of prostitution-pandering for allegedly using his position to coerce a woman who came to him for help with a child custody case to have sex with him for money, according to court records.[/QUOTE]The investigators were put onto him by the FBI after hearing chatter about him during a human-trafficking investigation. The FBI isn't bothering with plain-old hobbying; they were looking into a serious case, and when the local prosecutor's name came up, a public-corruption investigation was absolutely needed.
Congress can't legalize it
[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2842402][URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/senate-votes-to-hold-website-in-contempt-over-sex-ads/2016/03/17/8f3bf1ce-ec6e-11e5-a9ce-681055c7a05f_story.html[/URL]
That would suck if BP caved under pressure and did away with adult ads like CL did. I'm sure another website would take up the slack since there's no way the hobby will ever go away but there's always an inconvenient adjustment period.
Hey Congress, get a clue and legalize consenting adult behavior like most of the civilized world has already done![/QUOTE]That's up to the states. Congress only has power when it crosses state lines, which involves legitimate questions about trafficking.
Definitely A Cautionary Tale
Much thanks to JmSuttr for bringing this case to light for those of us in the DMV area. I certainly would have missed it. Mr. Suttr is correct, this kind of broadening investigation should give many of us pause. This case heightens my concerns for the overall risk involved, particularly due to my job. Any time LEO can expand an investigation, they probably will about 99% of the time for a variety of reasons (E. G. making a splash in the media, seeking a feather in their cap, some simply have misguided morality in mind, and some are just assholes).
As well as being a world-class hypocrite, this guy primarily falls into the asshole category. The fact that he goes after other guys for doing the exact same thing he did makes me feel unconcerned that they are throwing the book at him. But it definitely makes me concerned about using those tactics on the "average Joe", or average "John" in this case.
However, the coercion he used to get W-6 to basically become a "sugar baby" is certainly not uncommon. The fine line here that he definitely crossed is he had a position of power over W-6. A position of power in the community that he exploited. Had it not been for that, he might engender sympathy from those of us in this fraternity. But I detest hypocrites!
As for the takeaway: Use extreme caution, limit the number of women one interacts with, make sure they are vetted through reviews or come from referrals from one's bretheren, and ALWAYS remain as anonymous as possible. Use a hobby phone, create an alias, never host incall at one's home, and never ever give out personal info for screening, especially work information!!
Many in this area have too much at risk to be careless or let their guard down. It will limit the experiences one might have, missing out on some talented ladies, but for some of us it is just a condition of the employment we have chosen. The best advice is cliche, "Always think with the big head".
Stay safe,
Derringer.
[QUOTE=JmSuttr;2842090]I hope my post didn't come across in any way as though I have any sympathy for this guy. I absolutely agree he crossed the line and needs to go down for using his position of authority and trust to entice a vulnerable woman into prostitution.
But what I found fascinating, and why I posted it as a cautionary tale, is the way LEO chose to expand the case and bring in many separate misdemeanor non-trafficking sex charges against not only him, but his brother.
From my reading of the affidavit, it looks like LEO was building a straight commercial sex and neglect of duty case against the guy when they discovered the sugar baby woman (listed last, as W-6). Even if she hadn't been part of the picture, they still would have gone forward because of the public corruption aspect, as you rightly pointed out. They may have had a felony angle already, because they could say they were looking for trafficking activity, but they definitely had it once they could tack on the pandering charge. With that in their pocket, LEO could look at bank, phone, text and email records which, combined with the statements of W-1 thru W-6, allowed them to build a strong circumstantial case on the misdemeanor charges.
So the cautionary element for DMV mongers, IMHO, is how aggressive and expansive LEO can get, even when it comes to misdemeanor violations, if you happen to get in their cross-hairs. One analogy to local conditions would be if some hobbyist with a govt job and security clearance gets identified as a client of a provider who gets swept up in an investigation involving any kind of alleged (and we all know how expansive the definition can be) trafficking. Once that hobbyist gets on the radar screen, maybe the FBI or local LEO refer the matter to whatever investigative agency covers that hobbyist's department. Since Michigan was able to build what looks like a strong case on non-Federal misdemeanor sex charges, even without LEO having to directly witness the violation, could that also happen in DC, MD or VA? I think many mongers believe that, as long as they steer clear of obvious stings, they're safe, but maybe not. I'm not saying it's a likely scenario, but it certainly seems more possible than I thought before reading about this case. And to me it highlights the importance of doing good homework and sticking with established and well-reviewed providers.
One thing that's not clear is whether the misdemeanor charges will stick or whether they were tacked on in a "kitchen sink" approach. That's why I would be interested in the opinion of any forum members with legal knowledge.[/QUOTE]
Cautionary tale, part deux
[URL]http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/online-site-where-men-rated-prostitutes-is-shut-down-charges-to-be-filed/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.johntlaw.com/promoting-prostitution[/URL]
It's getting nasty out there, folks. I know this is about the Seattle area, not the DMV, but it's still worth a post because sh*t can happen anywhere. At a minimum, it should serve as a caution to stay far away from anything or anyone that could even remotely be connected to alleged "trafficking" (real or imagined).
Monger Beaten Up in Alexandria
From News Accounts: "Two men were assaulted and robbed in the Lincolnia neigh-borhood early Monday morning by a female escort and several of her male accomplices. Officers from the Alex-andria Police epartment re-sponded to the 100 block of Bragg St. At around 5:21 am March 21 after two men met with a woman they knew to be an escort and she took them to a hotel room in the area. Police spokeswoman Crys-tal Nosal said once inside the hotel room, the men were beat-en and robbed by upwards of three unknown male suspects. ".
When you read stuff like that.
You realize sometimes its just better to jerk off at home. !
