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Inasmuch as SA yielded excellent results for me 3-5 years ago, I admit that I haven't been active there recently. However, over the years, I have met more than a dozen top-notch UTR women as young as 18 who are soooo much more accommodating and submissive than others from CL, FetLife, STG, or anywhere else, usually without the drama or any of the drug issues. I've met SA women who are into greek-only, consensual-non-consent, severe BDSM, and ATM.
I think the mindset needs to be that you engage. Put yourself out there and expect that some will yield positive results and some will not. The idea is that you don't quit if / when you get some pushback from SA administration (or the woman) about being too explicit in your profile and / or correspondence. You just move on to the next woman.
If you have deep pockets, you can be a sugar daddy, but if you're not, you can say that you're only interested in "pay-to-play. " You may need to say this by creatively crafting a profile that 1) states what you want, 2) won't get flagged by administration, and 3) won't be offensive enough for a woman to report you.
When you find some interest from a woman, pursue it. Though you might need to take her to dinner or buy her drinks, she may just be down to meet, fuck, and get paid. Keep in mind that some women on SA will, with a straight face, ask you for $500 just to take them out to dinner. I think that the guys who placate and pay these girls for such requests are those who don't know about sites like USASG or don't have the stones to visit an AMP, pick up a SW, or call for an escort. If an unfathomably high request is made, just move on the next one.
For everyone, I think that SA can be a rewarding experience IF you go into it expecting that it will take some additional time and effort than usual AMPs / escorts. SA is a long-game play; and, if you keep her expectations low, it can even cost you LESS in the end.
If you absolutely need right now, though, then SW / AMP / escorts will be the way to go. That's my $0. 02, so take it FWIW.
Since I've discovered Textfree it's been my only goto when making contact with an escort, I like the privacy and anonymity it provides.
Recently tho I've been seeing a few ads stating no internet apps allowed and one went as far to tell me that I need to reach out to her using my normal cell phone provider.
Claiming that she can't verify me.
Considering that she is posting on Skipthegames (a garbage site now) I was surprised and told her forget it.
[URL]https://central-jersey.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/east_indian/kaise-ho-neema-here-indian-s/299121147587[/URL]
I refuse to contact a woman who posts sideways pics. I may be cutting down on pickings, but I don't care.
Why do they do it? Is there some sort of legitimate reason?
Stupidity.
HP.
[QUOTE=HighPockets;5407445]I refuse to contact a woman who posts sideways pics. I may be cutting down on pickings, but I don't care.
Why do they do it? Is there some sort of legitimate reason?
Stupidity.
HP.[/QUOTE]They do it to Piss you off. ROTFL!!
Anyone notice the new format on Bedpage. Just phone numbers, no addresses. I don't like it.
I read somewhere that there is a website where you can check on a provider through her phone number. Anyone know it?
I don't mean just googling it; I do that all the time anyway.
Thanks for any info, here or by PM.
HP.
I will be traveling the NJTP soon, was curious if there was any entertainment along the way. I know some in areas truck stops / rest areas worth a stop.
Where can one look for some action in Niagara Canada currently? Any sites? Possibility of stroll?
Do this long enough and plenty of funny shit happens. I am sure you all have some funny stories. Let's hear them. I have a few but want to share this one that I still laugh about when I think about it.
A little background. I forget the girls working name but she used to use several and I won't share her real name. Anyway, she used to work out of the Tom's River area but then ended up in South Amboy and then settled in the Edison area. The guys on the sites used to post about her ads because she seemed like a train wreck and we all had a laugh. I don't remember anybody actually saying they saw her. But if you were around years ago you may have. I have attached a few pics. So one day I decide to actually see her. She wasn't my type as I usually prefer them thicker but I had a feeling it would be a good time and much to laugh about. It was. So I see her and she was a train wreck and the first thing she said is I am kind of a scatter brain don't mind me. She was hitting a crack pipe and that usually makes me walk but I just went with it. Got a great call and she even said if her friend gets back in time I can see her too at no extra charge. The friend never showed but I did see her like a week later and it was fun. Younger girl BBBJ BBFS. She didn't post for long and is lost to history. So back to this girl. The call ends and it was basically full GFE all bare against my better judgement but everything was fine. She said to see her again. I said I would rather not because of the using. She said well I do get clean from time to time and will call you then. I reached out to her a few months later and she said I would love to see you but I am not clean now. I said well can you not hit the pipe long enough for a nice unrushed BBBJ. She said yes and it was a good call.
So she did reach out to me many months later saying she was in a clean phase. Who knows if she was but didn't do anything when I was there and this is when the calls started getting real good. 1 hr calls turned to 3 hrs. She would say let's try this new position I learned I think you will like it. The girl was still a nut but obviously enjoyed sex. Again, not my type but she became part of my rotation when she was clean. When she was back on the stuff she wouldn't contact me. When she was off she would. Odd example of some sort of honor for one of these girls. She was a yapper but would would actually be doing foreplay while yapping and then would shut up when the real stuff started. She said fuck me in my ass, bare of course. I said sure, next time if you have papers that you are clean. She said okay and actually called me when she had them. This is not like the usual girls we deal with although she was nuttier than most of them.
So I am fucking her in the ass on the next call and I am way over the time just enjoying myself and her phone is buzzing like crazy by now. I said feel free to answer your texts I am taking my time here. This goes on for a while and then she says my next call is waiting outside. Don't rush because he is a bitchboy. But when you are done please try to get out fast because he thinks you are my boyfriend and wants to suck your cum out of my ass. I probably took another 20 minutes and then busted my load.
I don't know if this was totally true but she had always been a straight shooter with me and a guy did get out of the car and went to her door when I got in my car. He did look like the type who would like to suck another guys cum out of a girls ass. I still laugh today when I think about it. I don't know what happened to her. She reached out to me like 2 years ago but I no longer live in the area.
I gave her some more thought since I posted this and remember she used to say she does dom and sub but prefers sub. None of that is my thing so I was oblivious. But I am firm in what I want and expect and don't take any crap from these girls. I am thinking she may have just assumed I was being a dominant and was doing everything I said. I mean the calling me only when she was allegedly not using and actually bringing me a test that she was clean. She would do anything I asked. Would say treat me like your personal ***** and ask me to slap her ass, slap it harder. Huh, I guess I was playing dom to her sub and never knew it. Worked out well for me anyway. If she pops her head up again I will let you guys know. Should be a good call if you are capable of taking the lead. If you are wishy washy you may be eating some other guys cum out of her ass. The world is funny.
Anyone have any positive experiences with sugar babies in NJ? I'm at least curious, especially in CNJ. I'm on SB and want to see if it's worth it to upgrade my membership there (or on any other site). I tried using the search function here, but that wasn't helpful. TIA.
My apologies if I double post. I tried a few minutes ago and got an error message.
[QUOTE=DocTego;6125779]Anyone have any positive experiences with sugar babies in NJ? I'm at least curious, especially in CNJ. I'm on SB and want to see if it's worth it to upgrade my membership there (or on any other site). I tried using the search function here, but that wasn't helpful. TIA.
My apologies if I double post. I tried a few minutes ago and got an error message.[/QUOTE]I had luck with SA if you're looking for a real sugar baby type deal. Though last time I checked it out it seemed full of working girls. WhatsYourPrice is a waste in my opinion and never tried SB.
[QUOTE=JerseyJames;6132904]I had luck with SA if you're looking for a real sugar baby type deal. Though last time I checked it out it seemed full of working girls. WhatsYourPrice is a waste in my opinion and never tried SB.[/QUOTE]James is correct. More providers than real SB's. Join for a month and if it works for you, your ahead of the game, if not cancel. Good Luck (let us know how you make out).
[QUOTE=KayJ46;6133054]James is correct. More providers than real SB's. Join for a month and if it works for you, your ahead of the game, if not cancel. Good Luck (let us know how you make out).[/QUOTE]Yeah man it works out well if you can find a real Sb, I met three BTW 2016 and 2019, some real fond memories and still in touch with one today. Good luck to the op.
These girls are habitual liars. They lie about almost anything. Some of their lies are about getting more money off of you. It's why I always say do not care about these girls. Do not feel sorry for them or fail for their bs. They are doing just fine and are exactly where they want to be. They make more money than you do. How and why they are perpetually broke is none of your concern. Your only goal should be getting the best service at the lowest price. When you understand that you will get better calls at a lower price. Do not "care" about these girls. Smart mongers don't and I assure you we get much better mileage and prices than the white knights who care about these girls. They are wasting their time and money for nothing.
Here are some of the lies I have been told. If you guys have others please share.
1. "You are the first guy I have had sex with all week or in months".
No, I doubt I am the even the first guy you had sex with that day. Her ad has been up all week, month or year. Trust me, you or I are not the first person she has had sex with in a while. I think they say this for several reasons. First they know any guy will feel better not knowing she has had half a dozen dicks in her that day. Secondly, it is a play to get you to give her more money since this poor well known girl who posts daily wants you to think she is hurting. White Knights will usually throw her more money. A smart monger just shrugs. I have gotten this line several times from regulars who vanished for a while and then came back. Problem is their ad has been up for week (s) since they returned. Does even the dumbest monger really think nobody else has seen her in a week when guys jump on any girl who posts that appears legit?
2. "I am glad you came and saw me today. Now I have almost enough money to buy my kid a birthday gift for tomorrow".
Notice the phrase "almost enough". She wants you to feel bad for her and give her more money for her kids "birthday" gift. I have gotten this one from at least half a dozen providers. They are not getting a gift for their kid. They haven't bought a gift for their kid ever. The kid doesn't even live with them and it's not even it's birthday. Just a trick to get more money out of you.
3. A regular texts you: "Can you please come see me now I need money for my room or will be thrown out. The owner says he will give me a few more hours to pay".
First off, this is dialing for dollars. You should go see her but at a deep discount. This is my bread and butter, when they dial you begging to see them. I will offer them half or less of their regular rate and that becomes my new regular rate all the time. But she is not getting thrown out of her room. I will usually ask when the call is over "so are you going to go up front and pay for the room now". I catch them off guard and they need to think for a moment. Then I usually get something like "Oh, well I had just enough and paid right before you came". These girls rarely get thrown out of rooms for not paying. They get thrown out for causing too much aggravation or drawing a police presence to the motel. The room is always paid for. They always have enough to pay even after buying their drugs. They do sucker white knights to pay for the room often without even seeing them just because they can.
4. Regarding BBFS: "Don't tell anyone I did bare with you" or "I don't usually do this" or "it's just you or you and one other guy".
She says this mostly so you don't think she does this a lot. She wants your continued business. Most guys prefer if their girl wasn't bare backing other guys. But they do. It's never just you or just you and one other guy. It may not be every guy but it is many. You weren't even the only guy (s) she BBFS that day. Don't ever believe you are the only guy bare backing her. Sadly, a lot of guys actually think they are the only one. There is not a single girl out there that you have BBFS that wouldn't BBFS me or many others on the first visit.
Has anybody had luck with Ashley Madison? Most reviews say it works but is expensive and the expensive part seems true, but I don't see it being much more effective than Secret Benefits or Seeking? I guess once you get a girl you won't have the "donation" as directly, but I can't help to think I'm throwing money away.
[QUOTE=Klance;6150576]Has anybody had luck with Ashley Madison? Most reviews say it works but is expensive and the expensive part seems true, but I don't see it being much more effective than Secret Benefits or Seeking? I guess once you get a girl you won't have the "donation" as directly, but I can't help to think I'm throwing money away.[/QUOTE]I did like 4 or 5 years ago. It may have changed since then. I was only active for a few days and had 2 hookups that led to sex the first date. One was a one nighter and the other lasted for months til I got bored. They were free of course and didn't even want to go out on real dates. I had another that was a lunch date but she was a waste of time who only wanted to sext since she didn't have the courage yet to cheat outright. Whatever the cost was then it wasn't much as the serious ones exchange numbers after the first message. So back then, at least, it was well worth it for me. I don't remember what I spent but it was probably much lower than a short stay with a provider. So to see one girl once and another about a dozen times, what I spent on AM was really nothing. Again, it may have changed since then.
I had the same success with Plenty of Fish. The only problem is that you go thru the serious ones fast and then nothing left but time wasters so I just stopped. You also have to be at least decent looking and have a good rap. Have a great profile and make your good impression right away in your first message so you aren't wasting money. I did it on the cheap because I have a good line of shit. If you don't it may not be for you and you will drop a lot of money for nothing. You need to stand out over all the other assholes looking for that same pussy. I may try it again since it's been years and there must be new blood by now.
[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6150655]I did like 4 or 5 years ago. It may have changed since then. I was only active for a few days and had 2 hookups that led to sex the first date. One was a one nighter and the other lasted for months til I got bored. They were free of course and didn't even want to go out on real dates. I had another that was a lunch date but she was a waste of time who only wanted to sext since she didn't have the courage yet to cheat outright. Whatever the cost was then it wasn't much as the serious ones exchange numbers after the first message. So back then, at least, it was well worth it for me. I don't remember what I spent but it was probably much lower than a short stay with a provider. So to see one girl once and another about a dozen times, what I spent on AM was really nothing. Again, it may have changed since then.
I had the same success with Plenty of Fish. The only problem is that you go thru the serious ones fast and then nothing left but time wasters so I just stopped. You also have to be at least decent looking and have a good rap. Have a great profile and make your good impression right away in your first message so you aren't wasting money. I did it on the cheap because I have a good line of shit. If you don't it may not be for you and you will drop a lot of money for nothing. You need to stand out over all the other assholes looking for that same pussy. I may try it again since it's been years and there must be new blood by now.[/QUOTE]From what I read recently the ratio of bots is very high and there are very few women on the site. Apparently things went south after the data breach. I had some success on POF, but it's not been great recently. I'm pretty good with certain women: shy and starved of affection, but I have a SO so I can't public and it's harder finding married women or women willing to cheat with an involved guy on POF. Not sure where they all went. But on POF seem to have gotten more savy in the past few years.
Does anyone know if there is a website or some platform where working girls can contact each other about bad experiences, etc. I've contacted 3 or 4 women recently, and after a few texts they stop replying. I certainly haven't done anything wrong or anything to hurt anyone, but I have a feeling that a woman I met recently took a dislike to me for some reason. Now it seems like I can't get a date. Very frustrating.
[QUOTE=HighPockets;6151027]Does anyone know if there is a website or some platform where working girls can contact each other about bad experiences, etc. I've contacted 3 or 4 women recently, and after a few texts they stop replying. I certainly haven't done anything wrong or anything to hurt anyone, but I have a feeling that a woman I met recently took a dislike to me for some reason. Now it seems like I can't get a date. Very frustrating.[/QUOTE]You sure you aren't saying anything to creep them out during those initial texts?
I've had 1 or 2 girls say they were going to say I was a good call on some site. Whether one exists or not who knows. If it did I assume we would have found it by now. Plus if such a site existed you think most of these girls would even know about it or care?
I suppose there is a small chance that the girls who ignored you are in the same group of tight providers as the one you had an issue with and they happened to text your number to her asking about you. But that is very unlikely. I think it's more likely you texted something that creeped them out or they all found better calls or something.
[QUOTE=HighPockets;6151027]Does anyone know if there is a website or some platform where working girls can contact each other about bad experiences, etc. I've contacted 3 or 4 women recently, and after a few texts they stop replying. I certainly haven't done anything wrong or anything to hurt anyone, but I have a feeling that a woman I met recently took a dislike to me for some reason. Now it seems like I can't get a date. Very frustrating.[/QUOTE]Are we talking Skip girls? Most of the mid-level local gals aka "Twitter Girls" aka "Board Girls" know of each other and share references. I've seen certain ones promote out of state girls too. I don't think there is a list, but they definitely talk about guys and supposedly I heard references to a provider only board on Best GFE and other sites like that.
Even with all that girls are skittish and they are skittish about the same stuff. Maybe have a friend look over your texts and see if you said something wrong. Unless it's a coincidence something happened to spook them.
[QUOTE=HighPockets;6151027]Does anyone know if there is a website or some platform where working girls can contact each other about bad experiences, etc. I've contacted 3 or 4 women recently, and after a few texts they stop replying. I certainly haven't done anything wrong or anything to hurt anyone, but I have a feeling that a woman I met recently took a dislike to me for some reason. Now it seems like I can't get a date. Very frustrating.[/QUOTE]There is such a board, a woman I enjoyed for many years showed me at one time, but I was so pussy drunk I cannot remember what the name was. Michelle / Mimi in Philly got deep into the dom and fetish work before she disappeared completely. She was showing me her ads and photos she had up, and in a sub forum there was a whole section with city sub sections with reviews for bad dates. Mind you, in the dom-sub sessions, often the girls are bound or compromised, so she tried hard to weed out the bad guys. I've tried for countless hours to find that board again with no luck. And I can't ask Michelle, as she vanished when her taste for dope got too strong. I fear she got scooped up by some dirtbag pimp and is being trafficked in another city somewhere.
So Plenty of Fish now charges to send messages beyond your one free message a day. Also a woman who I messaged ended up being a bot or at least wanted me to join a website. Very disappointing. There's really no easy venues anymore.
[QUOTE=TailGunner1;5919319]Do this long enough and plenty of funny shit happens. I am sure you all have some funny stories. Let's hear them. I have a few but want to share this one that I still laugh about when I think about it.
A little background. I forget the girls working name but she used to use several and I won't share her real name. Anyway, she used to work out of the Tom's River area but then ended up in South Amboy and then settled in the Edison area. The guys on the sites used to post about her ads because she seemed like a train wreck and we all had a laugh. I don't remember anybody actually saying they saw her. But if you were around years ago you may have. I have attached a few pics. So one day I decide to actually see her. She wasn't my type as I usually prefer them thicker but I had a feeling it would be a good time and much to laugh about. It was. So I see her and she was a train wreck and the first thing she said is I am kind of a scatter brain don't mind me. She was hitting a crack pipe and that usually makes me walk but I just went with it. Got a great call and she even said if her friend gets back in time I can see her too at no extra charge. The friend never showed but I did see her like a week later and it was fun. Younger girl BBBJ BBFS. She didn't post for long and is lost to history. So back to this girl. The call ends and it was basically full GFE all bare against my better judgement but everything was fine. She said to see her again. I said I would rather not because of the using. She said well I do get clean from time to time and will call you then. I reached out to her a few months later and she said I would love to see you but I am not clean now. I said well can you not hit the pipe long enough for a nice unrushed BBBJ. She said yes and it was a good call..[/QUOTE]OMG, I remember this girl, her working name was Lovely Lola. She was a nut but a fun girl, I had a threesome with her and a friend at no cost (friend). She was totally uninhibited and the word 'NO" was not part of her repertoire. Lola could take an ass pounding and love to be slapped, it turns her on.
I used to see her back at her place, she was not a clock watcher. Last time I saw her back was early 2020 then lost track of her.
A bit of a rant
Many of you are aware of this already, but it appears, based upon my recent experiences and online reviews, almost all the major hook-up / sugar baby sites e. G. Secret Benefits, What's Your Price, Adult Friend Finder and even Plenty of Fish totally suck in 2022. The combination of bots and few real women means you're pretty much throwing your money away. I'd love to be proved wrong. The only site that may work is Seeking, but I refuse to pay their prices and honestly I don't have the time or energy to weed through all the 20 somethings with GPS.
There was a period around 2009 till maybe 2016 that those sites worked, but given the horrible pickings on Skip and the sites I mentioned I'm honestly not sure what direction to go in. So I guess my question is where can you look now? Are cyber hookups dead? It would appear mongers are back to looking in real life for UTRs, FWBs, fuck buddies, etc. If you were never strong in picking up women in real life the good times and easy pickings are over.
[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6142014]These girls are habitual liars. They lie about almost anything. Some of their lies are about getting more money off of you. It's why I always say do not care about these girls. Do not feel sorry for them or fail for their bs. They are doing just fine and are exactly where they want to be. They make more money than you do. How and why they are perpetually broke is none of your concern. Your only goal should be getting the best service at the lowest price. When you understand that you will get better calls at a lower price. Do not "care" about these girls. Smart mongers don't and I assure you we get much better mileage and prices than the white knights who care about these girls. They are wasting their time and money for nothing.
Here are some of the lies I have been told. If you guys have others please share.
1. "You are the first guy I have had sex with all week or in months".
No, I doubt I am the even the first guy you had sex with that day. Her ad has been up all week, month or year. Trust me, you or I are not the first person she has had sex with in a while. I think they say this for several reasons. First they know any guy will feel better not knowing she has had half a dozen dicks in her that day. Secondly, it is a play to get you to give her more money since this poor well known girl who posts daily wants you to think she is hurting. White Knights will usually throw her more money. A smart monger just shrugs. I have gotten this line several times from regulars who vanished for a while and then came back. Problem is their ad has been up for week (s) since they returned. Does even the dumbest monger really think nobody else has seen her in a week when guys jump on any girl who posts that appears legit?[/QUOTE]100% accurate!
[QUOTE=Klance;6153515]A bit of a rant
Many of you are aware of this already, but it appears, based upon my recent experiences and online reviews, almost all the major hook-up / sugar baby sites e. G. Secret Benefits, What's Your Price, Adult Friend Finder and even Plenty of Fish totally suck in 2022. The combination of bots and few real women means you're pretty much throwing your money away. I'd love to be proved wrong. The only site that may work is Seeking, but I refuse to pay their prices and honestly I don't have the time or energy to weed through all the 20 somethings with GPS.
There was a period around 2009 till maybe 2016 that those sites worked, but given the horrible pickings on Skip and the sites I mentioned I'm honestly not sure what direction to go in. So I guess my question is where can you look now? Are cyber hookups dead? It would appear mongers are back to looking in real life for UTRs, FWBs, fuck buddies, etc. If you were never strong in picking up women in real life the good times and easy pickings are over.[/QUOTE]I've been saying this for the past year. I abandoned all those traditional sites years ago and mostly used seeking.
Here is my take on seeking, post pandemic.
You arent going to be on for one month and get a bunch of numbers and just work through them for a few months until they fizzle out (my old strategy).
You will have to sign up for 2-3 months and be willing to travel 100+ miles from where you live and you must be okay with seeing women in their late 20's to early 40's, the days of young college co-eds being on there are over as they are seem to be on cam sites or leveraging other methods of getting $$. The handful of younger ones on there are single moms or girls really down on there luck. The longer you are on there and the more willing you are to travel (as in even going across country) the better results you will have. If you're a single guy like me and have a good paying job and or a business, the economics of doing this are still somewhat favorable but its getting more expensive and the quality of product has gone down alot. The 2010's are over with and we are in a global depression.
Back in 2015 or so, you could find decent middle class white chicks looking to score some extra cash at reasonable prices, those same girls will be commanding $600+ these days.
Even if the income is cut by 50&, why would you not only cam? Not meeting creepy fat old dudes (me) no disease, no po lice, not dangerous. It does suck, but does it surprise anyone (.
[QUOTE=Reynishi;6152145]OMG, I remember this girl, her working name was Lovely Lola. She was a nut but a fun girl, I had a threesome with her and a friend at no cost (friend). She was totally uninhibited and the word 'NO" was not part of her repertoire. Lola could take an ass pounding and love to be slapped, it turns her on.
I used to see her back at her place, she was not a clock watcher. Last time I saw her back was early 2020 then lost track of her.[/QUOTE]She reached out to me about 2 years ago. I no longer live in the area so I wasn't able to see her. I haven't seen or heard anything about her since. Maybe she is in jail or OD'd and died. Funny thing is she wasn't really even my type but all the calls were excellent. One of only a handful of providers who actually enjoyed that much sex. She would be like I just learned a new position let's try it and see if you like it. There was no clock with her. She didn't ask for crazy donations. She could have at least with the service you and I got. Very crazy but never towards me and was a great one to have in the rotation. Yes she could take a pounding and actually wanted the pounding. A rare breed.
[QUOTE=SimpSince1991;6154253]Even if the income is cut by 50&, why would you not only cam? Not meeting creepy fat old dudes (me) no disease, no po lice, not dangerous. It does suck, but does it surprise anyone (.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The thing is, any decent girl can scale her cam business easily. Just find 500 simps to pay $9. 00 a month or whatever, that's enough to cover her bills. Most don't get that many but you get my point.
[QUOTE=LolBoat;6154179]I've been saying this for the past year. I abandoned all those traditional sites years ago and mostly used seeking.
Here is my take on seeking, post pandemic.
You arent going to be on for one month and get a bunch of numbers and just work through them for a few months until they fizzle out (my old strategy).
You will have to sign up for 2-3 months and be willing to travel 100+ miles from where you live and you must be okay with seeing women in their late 20's to early 40's, the days of young college co-eds being on there are over as they are seem to be on cam sites or leveraging other methods of getting $$. The handful of younger ones on there are single moms or girls really down on there luck. The longer you are on there and the more willing you are to travel (as in even going across country) the better results you will have. If you're a single guy like me and have a good paying job and or a business, the economics of doing this are still somewhat favorable but its getting more expensive and the quality of product has gone down alot. The 2010's are over with and we are in a global depression.
Back in 2015 or so, you could find decent middle class white chicks looking to score some extra cash at reasonable prices, those same girls will be commanding $600+ these days.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, but at some point the cam market would get saturated. Maybe things will come back around.
If you're not single the equation becomes much harder and you're back to trying to get some MILF in the supermarket.
[QUOTE=Klance;6154913]I agree with you, but at some point the cam market would get saturated. Maybe things will come back around.
If you're not single the equation becomes much harder and you're back to trying to get some MILF in the supermarket.[/QUOTE]In 2-3 years alot of these girls will be in their mid 20's and they will be forced out of the cam market so I do think in the future they will be on the streets, however. That depends on how good / bad the economy is.
These girls are not very bright in the traditional sense but they are sure as hell more street smart than you or me. The key is not to give them opportunities to rob you. Every long time active monger has been robbed whether they admit it or not. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Sometimes there is little to nothing you can do about it unless you want to take the risk of an incident and / or LE involvement. The key is not to make stupid mistakes that make it easy for them. I am not including bad service or not delivering services as promised because that is more of a shitty call even though you feel like you were robbed. I am talking about taking your money with no services delivered or somehow stealing extra money off you during a call. These are ones I have seen other mongers post about, have happened to me or providers have actually told me they got guys on this.
1) Deposits. This one I have ZERO sympathy for. If you got nicked on a deposit it is because you are a moron. NEVER pre pay these girls. Even an otherwise great provider might nick you on a deposit if you are dumb enough to fall for it. There is no excuse when you get ghosted after sending a deposit. That is all on you and your own stupidity.
2) Content. This is another one I have no sympathy for and actually laugh when a monger posts that he sent money and never received the content. This is the same as sending deposits. Why take a chance when there is more free porn online than you will ever be able to see in your lifetime.
3) Leaving the motel room to get a soda. I fell for this one with a provider I had seen many times before with no issue. She came to my room and said she wanted to go to the soda machine and asked if I wanted one. I even joked saying you aren't going to run out on me. Well she did. That was due to my own stupidity and why I have said in many posts never to trust these girls even if you have seen them many times. This one ended up being a positive. A year later I reached out to her. No of course I didn't expect to get my money back or get a freebie. These girls don't play like that. But they always like money, especially if they need their fix. So I told her look I was a good regular til you robbed me. She apologized and said it was the drugs. Of course it was. So I said well I can't see you unless we make this right. I will pay you our standard rate but you have to bring another girl and you don't get the money til after the call. She agreed and brought a non working girl and I had a great time. Did it again when she brought a different girl. She vanished after that but I think I came out ahead with two 2 for the price of 1. But still, my error for trusting her.
4) I have to pay my driver now. I never fell for this but a few have tried. They arrive to your room and take the money and say they need to pay their driver 20 or something. I say no, you don't leave the room until after the call. The calls then went fine. But see how they were looking for a chance to steal. Nowadays I specifically say before they come over that there will be no paying drivers or whatever. Square that away before you get here.
5) Robbing you after a call. I got nailed on this one. This was a provider I has seen a few times before with no issue. I was in a suite in AC and when we were done I left the bedroom for 20 seconds to get a bottle of water. In that time she went in my draw, in my pants and got several hundred out of my wallet. I didn't notice til the following morning when I saw it was gone. That money was going to be used to see another girl on my ride home. I got my revenge by sending her on many bogus outcalls over the next few years until she vanished. Probably in jail or OD'd. The point is they move like hawks so never let them out of your site and if possible put your money in the hotel room safe. Again, my own stupidity.
6) The jittery girl. You arrive at her room and she just seems off. She is very nervous and keeps checking her phone. She makes no attempt to get undressed or anything. You can tell she needs her fix real soon. Turn around and leave because she intends to rob you. I never got nailed on this. I knew to just leave with my money. But I have seen other guys here say she ran with the money or her pimp burst in. When something doesn't feel right just leave.
7) I need money for the room. Several guys have posted that they got nailed on this one. You arrive at the motel and the girl asks you for money so she can get the room and do the call. Never fall for this one. I almost would say this is as dumb as sending deposits. Never part with your money until you are in the room and everything seems normal. Any red flags just leave.
8_ Send me money I need it bad and will give you a free call or two next time. Come on. Are you really that stupid?
[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6162308]These girls are not very bright in the traditional sense but they are sure as hell more street smart than you or me. The key is not to give them opportunities to rob you. Every long time active monger has been robbed whether they admit it or not. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Sometimes there is little to nothing you can do about it unless you want to take the risk of an incident and / or LE involvement. The key is not to make stupid mistakes that make it easy for them. I am not including bad service or not delivering services as promised because that is more of a shitty call even though you feel like you were robbed. I am talking about taking your money with no services delivered or somehow stealing extra money off you during a call. These are ones I have seen other mongers post about, have happened to me or providers have actually told me they got guys on this.
1) Deposits. This one I have ZERO sympathy for. If you got nicked on a deposit it is because you are a moron. NEVER pre pay these girls. Even an otherwise great provider might nick you on a deposit if you are dumb enough to fall for it. There is no excuse when you get ghosted after sending a deposit. That is all on you and your own stupidity.
2) Content. This is another one I have no sympathy for and actually laugh when a monger posts that he sent money and never received the content. This is the same as sending deposits. Why take a chance when there is more free porn online than you will ever be able to see in your lifetime.
3) Leaving the motel room to get a soda. I fell for this one with a provider I had seen many times before with no issue. She came to my room and said she wanted to go to the soda machine and asked if I wanted one. I even joked saying you aren't going to run out on me. Well she did. That was due to my own stupidity and why I have said in many posts never to trust these girls even if you have seen them many times. This one ended up being a positive. A year later I reached out to her. No of course I didn't expect to get my money back or get a freebie. These girls don't play like that. But they always like money, especially if they need their fix. So I told her look I was a good regular til you robbed me. She apologized and said it was the drugs. Of course it was. So I said well I can't see you unless we make this right. I will pay you our standard rate but you have to bring another girl and you don't get the money til after the call. She agreed and brought a non working girl and I had a great time. Did it again when she brought a different girl. She vanished after that but I think I came out ahead with two 2 for the price of 1. But still, my error for trusting her.
4) I have to pay my driver now. I never fell for this but a few have tried. They arrive to your room and take the money and say they need to pay their driver 20 or something. I say no, you don't leave the room until after the call. The calls then went fine. But see how they were looking for a chance to steal. Nowadays I specifically say before they come over that there will be no paying drivers or whatever. Square that away before you get here.
5) Robbing you after a call. I got nailed on this one. This was a provider I has seen a few times before with no issue. I was in a suite in AC and when we were done I left the bedroom for 20 seconds to get a bottle of water. In that time she went in my draw, in my pants and got several hundred out of my wallet. I didn't notice til the following morning when I saw it was gone. That money was going to be used to see another girl on my ride home. I got my revenge by sending her on many bogus outcalls over the next few years until she vanished. Probably in jail or OD'd. The point is they move like hawks so never let them out of your site and if possible put your money in the hotel room safe. Again, my own stupidity.
6) The jittery girl. You arrive at her room and she just seems off. She is very nervous and keeps checking her phone. She makes no attempt to get undressed or anything. You can tell she needs her fix real soon. Turn around and leave because she intends to rob you. I never got nailed on this. I knew to just leave with my money. But I have seen other guys here say she ran with the money or her pimp burst in. When something doesn't feel right just leave.
7) I need money for the room. Several guys have posted that they got nailed on this one. You arrive at the motel and the girl asks you for money so she can get the room and do the call. Never fall for this one. I almost would say this is as dumb as sending deposits. Never part with your money until you are in the room and everything seems normal. Any red flags just leave.
8_ Send me money I need it bad and will give you a free call or two next time. Come on. Are you really that stupid?[/QUOTE]I got popped with number 4 December 22 2018 a chick I trusted came to my place but this.
Time someone gave her a ride she told me she owed her friend some money wanted to pay her friend back bastard took off I contacted her on Facebook telling her why she ripped me off I never disrespected her or gave her any problems I find out she has a boyfriend now never had any issues with her until she got a boyfriend. Saw her a few weeks later she came over told her to strip took her clothes lock them in my closet with the money I lied to her about the donation I had low balled her great she thought she was getting the regular $200 for an hour told her I wanted three rounds because she owe me from last time she said ok I blasted three times give her clothes back and $100 dollars. Told her I forgive her now she ask me where's the rest of the money I told her you received it a few weeks ago the $100 was for the third round I smile at her and laugh at her told her now we're back on track. It was the best fuck I ever had and revenge I should've gave $60.
[QUOTE=HunterJay;6162641]I got popped with number 4 December 22 2018 a chick I trusted came to my place but this.
Time someone gave her a ride she told me she owed her friend some money wanted to pay her friend back bastard took off I contacted her on Facebook telling her why she ripped me off I never disrespected her or gave her any problems I find out she has a boyfriend now never had any issues with her until she got a boyfriend. Saw her a few weeks later she came over told her to strip took her clothes lock them in my closet with the money I lied to her about the donation I had low balled her great she thought she was getting the regular $200 for an hour told her I wanted three rounds because she owe me from last time she said ok I blasted three times give her clothes back and $100 dollars. Told her I forgive her now she ask me where's the rest of the money I told her you received it a few weeks ago the $100 was for the third round I smile at her and laugh at her told her now we're back on track. It was the best fuck I ever had and revenge I should've gave $60.[/QUOTE]The $100 was fair. You made everything right again. She can ***** but she is the one who screwed you the first time and you couldn't just let that go. She is lucky you are an experienced intelligent monger. You had a fair plan and you implemented it. She still made money and you got what was due to you. There are guys out there who would have lured her in and beat the crap out of her. Providers have told me they have heard of stuff like that happening. I have no reason to doubt it since some mongers are as unhinged as these girls are.
This, kiddies, is how you make something right. I would add that had she thrown a fit and threatened him all I would say is go ahead since I am sure you, and your handler, have a hell of a lot more to lose than I do if I call LE right now. I have used this and it has worked. Tell them the worst you get is being hit with soliciting. They, on the other hand, most likely have outstanding warrants and certainly are in possession of drugs. You don't want to be in this position if you can avoid it since they may still freak out. But just have it in the back of your mind if you are ever in a bad situation.
[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6162308]These girls are not very bright in the traditional sense but they are sure as hell more street smart than you or me. The key is not to give them opportunities to rob you. Every long time active monger has been robbed whether they admit it or not. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Sometimes there is little to nothing you can do about it unless you want to take the risk of an incident and / or LE involvement. The key is not to make stupid mistakes that make it easy for them. I am not including bad service or not delivering services as promised because that is more of a shitty call even though you feel like you were robbed. I am talking about taking your money with no services delivered or somehow stealing extra money off you during a call. These are ones I have seen other mongers post about, have happened to me or providers have actually told me they got guys on this.
1) Deposits. This one I have ZERO sympathy for. If you got nicked on a deposit it is because you are a moron. NEVER pre pay these girls. Even an otherwise great provider might nick you on a deposit if you are dumb enough to fall for it. There is no excuse when you get ghosted after sending a deposit. That is all on you and your own stupidity.
2) Content. This is another one I have no sympathy for and actually laugh when a monger posts that he sent money and never received the content. This is the same as sending deposits. Why take a chance when there is more free porn online than you will ever be able to see in your lifetime.
3) Leaving the motel room to get a soda. I fell for this one with a provider I had seen many times before with no issue. She came to my room and said she wanted to go to the soda machine and asked if I wanted one. I even joked saying you aren't going to run out on me. Well she did. That was due to my own stupidity and why I have said in many posts never to trust these girls even if you have seen them many times. This one ended up being a positive. A year later I reached out to her. No of course I didn't expect to get my money back or get a freebie. These girls don't play like that. But they always like money, especially if they need their fix. So I told her look I was a good regular til you robbed me. She apologized and said it was the drugs. Of course it was. So I said well I can't see you unless we make this right. I will pay you our standard rate but you have to bring another girl and you don't get the money til after the call. She agreed and brought a non working girl and I had a great time. Did it again when she brought a different girl. She vanished after that but I think I came out ahead with two 2 for the price of 1. But still, my error for trusting her.
4) I have to pay my driver now. I never fell for this but a few have tried. They arrive to your room and take the money and say they need to pay their driver 20 or something. I say no, you don't leave the room until after the call. The calls then went fine. But see how they were looking for a chance to steal. Nowadays I specifically say before they come over that there will be no paying drivers or whatever. Square that away before you get here.
5) Robbing you after a call. I got nailed on this one. This was a provider I has seen a few times before with no issue. I was in a suite in AC and when we were done I left the bedroom for 20 seconds to get a bottle of water. In that time she went in my draw, in my pants and got several hundred out of my wallet. I didn't notice til the following morning when I saw it was gone. That money was going to be used to see another girl on my ride home. I got my revenge by sending her on many bogus outcalls over the next few years until she vanished. Probably in jail or OD'd. The point is they move like hawks so never let them out of your site and if possible put your money in the hotel room safe. Again, my own stupidity.
6) The jittery girl. You arrive at her room and she just seems off. She is very nervous and keeps checking her phone. She makes no attempt to get undressed or anything. You can tell she needs her fix real soon. Turn around and leave because she intends to rob you. I never got nailed on this. I knew to just leave with my money. But I have seen other guys here say she ran with the money or her pimp burst in. When something doesn't feel right just leave.
7) I need money for the room. Several guys have posted that they got nailed on this one. You arrive at the motel and the girl asks you for money so she can get the room and do the call. Never fall for this one. I almost would say this is as dumb as sending deposits. Never part with your money until you are in the room and everything seems normal. Any red flags just leave.
8_ Send me money I need it bad and will give you a free call or two next time. Come on. Are you really that stupid?[/QUOTE]I forgot a really big one. This is the one that they are proud of and this is probably the biggest one when I ask how they get over on guys.
9) Talking your time away. Many of these girls are chatterbugs just to eat your time away. Some of my ATFs have actually bragged to me how they talked for the entire call and booted the guy out before he got anything. You have to be smart here. I give them no more than a few minutes of their mindless chatter and then say time to get down to business. These girls will run out the clock by talking endlessly. You are not there for their cultured conversation. Make sure you are firm in saying let's get started. If they really want to chat and you don't mind bleeding from your ears, they can chat with you after the call.
[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6163686]The $100 was fair. You made everything right again. She can ***** but she is the one who screwed you the first time and you couldn't just let that go. She is lucky you are an experienced intelligent monger. You had a fair plan and you implemented it. She still made money and you got what was due to you. There are guys out there who would have lured her in and beat the crap out of her. Providers have told me they have heard of stuff like that happening. I have no reason to doubt it since some mongers are as unhinged as these girls are.[/QUOTE]I saw a documentary once about street prostitution in the 1990's and this prostitute was being interviewed and she said she use to run with a woman who use to steal from her customers and she warned her about doing that because bad things can happen. Well she goes on to say that out the blue her friend disappeared and they later on found her friends body in a river with her hands cut off.
And I remember a few years ago I use to be a regular with a jersey girl who wound up in Kensington philadelphia and she told me her best score was 30 k. She did an outcall to a nice house and her and the date partied together and he passed out and while he was passed out she found his unlocked safe and cleaned him out and took off. Spent it all on drugs. She was a hottie in the 2014 era but she's deceased now.
Another girl I know use to escort in Miami Florida in the 1990's and had a crew of girls working for her. She said she trained them all to steal. She said they would walk out with paintings from off the walls from johns homes.
You guys who invite escorts over to your actual private residence are crazy. Don't do it!! Meet at a neutral location and never let these girls know where you live or even work! Here in America the prostitute doesn't respect the John, prostitutes only respect the pimps or their boyfriends who are nearly always abusive or broke and that's not your problem because all these girls who do this are broken girls anyway.
When you pay a woman she isn't giving it up willingly per se she's only allowing it to happen in exchange for the donation but later on that night she's giving it up to her boyfriend for free. Not a bad deal though because you can move on with your life but her boyfriend is stuck with all her problems that will drag him down that only get worse over time. It is what it is.
[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6166719]I forgot a really big one. This is the one that they are proud of and this is probably the biggest one when I ask how they get over on guys.
9) Talking your time away. Many of these girls are chatterbugs just to eat your time away. Some of my ATFs have actually bragged to me how they talked for the entire call and booted the guy out before he got anything. You have to be smart here. I give them no more than a few minutes of their mindless chatter and then say time to get down to business. These girls will run out the clock by talking endlessly. You are not there for their cultured conversation. Make sure you are firm in saying let's get started. If they really want to chat and you don't mind bleeding from your ears, they can chat with you after the call.[/QUOTE]It's not worth being a listener just start stripping the Chick clothes off and tell her you're ready to have fun streetwalkers be giving sob stories for extra money Lmao no I do not have extra money it's for the next Chick. I'm surprise these chicks pulling this crap didn't get hurt yet or probably did just didn't hear about it yet.
BBFS = Bareback Full Service. Sex without a condom.
So what advice is Tailgun going to give us about BBFS? How it is stupid to bareback these girls?
I have seen about 300 DIFFERENT women in my 10 years of mongering. I say about 300 because I just can't remember them all. I can recall 285 specifically which in and of itself is amazing given that I can't remember what I ate for breakfast. But I know I have seen more and just don't remember. I am probably closer to 350 but lets go with 300. Of those 300 I would say about 100 were just for blowjobs. That leaves 200 girls I had sex with. I only ever used a condom with about 50 of them.
Whoa! You saying you have barebacked 150 of these girls?
Yep. Some I did not do bareback until I had seen them before, sometimes half a dozen times or more. It's a trust issue. It's why when a girl has no BB in her ad it doesn't mean that. You are a trusted regular and they feel you have a brain. They want you to come see them more. Also being washed and groomed helps. You see this more with the well known established girls. They rarely, if ever, bareback the first time you see them. You may have seen a well known no BBFS provider a dozen times or more and she never bb you. If BB is your goal it's either because you never asked or she doesn't trust you for some reason. These girls, at least the ones who still have sense, seem to know who is low or high risk as far as bare.
I had about a dozen who just mounted me bare after giving me a BJ. Most of them had no BBFS in their ad. I remember one guy was on a different forum years ago saying how he brought his papers of being clean and she refused him anyway. I saw this girl right after that and she just mounted me bare. I was laughing inside. I think it goes back to these girls knowing who is low and high risk.
I had some who had the condom out on the bed but I just went in bare and they didn't say a thing. A few others the condom broke but they told me to keep going just don't cum inside them.
This is going to sound odd but when I see guys post on here asking if a girl does BBFS my immediate thought is Are you a Stupid Fucking Moron?
"Who are you to think that Tailgun, you BBFS tons of girls".
Yup. But I don't BB girls who post that they do. I BB the ones who post they don't or don't even mention it. Why? Because that means they are selective in who they do that with and not with every asshole who sees them. I have also mentioned that any girl who says she only BBs you or you and 1 other guy is lying. Almost all of these girls bareback a good number of guys, just not every guy. Why do I want to BB a girl who openly barebacks every guy? I also don't bb any girl who looks like a glorified streetwalker or acts like she doesn't care about anything anymore. See my point?
So the whole question of does she do BBFS is stupid. Whether or not they BBFS is how they feel about you and how you present yourself. Asking if a girl does BBBJ is a valid question. Asking if she does BBFS is stupid. If they openly state they BB anyone you are a fool to see her. If Bobby and Johnny post that Melissa did BBFS with them it doesn't mean she will with you and vice versa. Again, the BBFS question is a stupid one. If you are looking to BBFS every single girl you see because she did it with everyone else you are a moron.
So for someone who has BBFS so many girls I am talking a lot of trash. Well BBFS can be problematic anytime you do it whether with real girls or escorts. But you reduce your risk if you use some common sense. I avoid the crackwhore ultra skinny ones. I avoid any that are total trainwrecks. I avoid any who have given up caring or look sickly in any way. I avoid any that have so much as a pimple any place on their body. Take a careful look at who you are doing before you do them. I also have a cleaning regiment. When you are done run right to the bathroom and clean your dick off with soap and water. I then keep hand sanitizer or a bottle of alcohol in my car. Use it once you get in. I then shower when I get home. I get tested every year for STDs when I have my annual checkup. So far all of this has worked as I have remained clean.
Use your brain and some common sense when it comes to BBFS. Not all girls are meant to do that with. And stop asking if she does BBFS. If she looks low risk and you have your shit together you can BBFS any working girl. if they still won't with you they somehow know you are high risk.