Stupid Shit in NoVa

[QUOTE=EyeLavose;4700030]I'd pay $500/ hr for Elite pussy if I didn't have to give up my PI. Guys paying for GPS is not the problem. It's the dummies out here giving away PI to play that causes the problem. Don't get desperate b / c they need us to survive.

Unable to pay for GPS just means that you need to work harder to pay for GPS. SMH.[/QUOTE]Your attitude is what literally co$t$ the rest of us. Saying work harder makes no sense when you're willing to pay double the going rate for the same level for service. You have one mediocre to bad experience and yet you're willing to throw that kind of $ at that is a major issue. Money doesn't equate to value but hopefully expected value and I've been disappointed a lot lately. Giving away PI is bad enough but when you tell the rest of us to work harder I'm pretty certain the rest of us understand basic math. You're advocating and willing to pay at the level of two appointments at the going cost of one. You do that math elsewhere and it's almost three to one in some areas for the same level and quality of service. The problem is you're willing to pay for mediocre GPS when in reality the rest of us want the market to equal the demand.

[QUOTE=EyeLavose;4700030]I'd pay $500/ hr for Elite pussy if I didn't have to give up my PI. Guys paying for GPS is not the problem. It's the dummies out here giving away PI to play that causes the problem. Don't get desperate b / c they need us to survive.

Unable to pay for GPS just means that you need to work harder to pay for GPS. SMH.[/QUOTE]Ha, needs to work harder! Dudes that are willing to pay over the market prices have to in order to get pussy, period! Some can try to act like they're rolling in loot but we know, either you're fat AF, ugly AF, or you have halitosis. Ya know like you just ate a hot doodoo sandwich!

I used to worry about dudes messing up the market by paying out so much but there's plenty of options out there for most of us. Keep it real!

Creepin.

[QUOTE=EyeLavose;4700030]I'd pay $500/ hr for Elite pussy if I didn't have to give up my PI. Guys paying for GPS is not the problem. It's the dummies out here giving away PI to play that causes the problem. Don't get desperate b / c they need us to survive.

Unable to pay for GPS just means that you need to work harder to pay for GPS. SMH.[/QUOTE]Most car buyers, whether for a Bugatti, Benz, or Buick, view the MSRP as a starting point for negotiation. But, if someone wants to pay top dollar, it's their $ and their right to spend it however they want. If they consistently do this, however, it's fair game for others to wonder whether that buyer lacks the skill or motivation to get the better price that can usually be found with a little comparison shopping and negotiation. And the bigger SMH (shaking my head or scratching my head, either one) moment is when they pay top dollar and still end up with a lemon.

I'm sure everyone has a story about when the price they paid for a good or service had little relationship to the quality and value received. This is more true in the hobby than in almost any other market since there are no consumer protection laws for pussy. This forum has seen plenty of posts about $400-500+ providers who were anything but elite. On a personal level, it wouldn't pinch my wallet to drop $1,000 for a session but why would I when I have confidence I can find excellent value for (much) less. Nor would it ever cross my mind to tell some poor schmuck who could only afford $500 that he should work harder. But that's just me.

What do those abbreviations mean?

[QUOTE=LuckyLuciano00;4703614]What do those abbreviations mean?[/QUOTE]Normally, I'd say to check the "Abbreviations" tab near the top of this page. But I see these terms you're asking about aren't listed so it's all good.

GPS = "golden pussy syndrome. " If you ever come across an escort, masseuse, stripper, or sugar baby that thinks she's worth some exorbitant amount than the services she advertises (basically overcharging when there are far better options available at a fraction of her costs), that's GPS.

SB = "sugar baby. " If you ever check out sites like Seeking Arrangements (SA), these are what the girls there are called, the term they in lieu of "escort" or "hooker" (even though you're still paying for their companionship, intimacy, etc).

[QUOTE=LuckyLuciano00;4703614]What do those abbreviations mean?[/QUOTE]GPS stands for golden pussy syndrome.

[QUOTE=Mustang946;4692790]I think you overpaid for what you received. You're close to FS rates there.[/QUOTE]100%.

Give them these kind of payments and they believe it is the value of the swrvoce.

Good Morning friends:

Just wanted some advice / sounding board. I guess its not advisable to go to hotels during this period in the NOVA area. Because never know who stayed there and CDC guidelines say you have wipe everything first, and the sheets and pillow are suspect etc. I cannot host and sometimes feel jealous of those that can (they already had it good, now it gets million times better) and I guess SBs that can host are at a premium. But would love to hear what you think about hotels. I am also older so in the risk bracket.

[QUOTE=JonFisher;4714018]Good Morning friends:

Just wanted some advice / sounding board. I guess its not advisable to go to hotels during this period in the NOVA area. Because never know who stayed there and CDC guidelines say you have wipe everything first, and the sheets and pillow are suspect etc. I cannot host and sometimes feel jealous of those that can (they already had it good, now it gets million times better) and I guess SBs that can host are at a premium. But would love to hear what you think about hotels. I am also older so in the risk bracket.[/QUOTE]The major hotel chains (Hyatt, Hilton, Marriott, etc.) all have sent out notices about how they've stepped up their cleaning and disinfecting routines. Some providers (and SBs) offer incall in an apartment setting, but that's only as clean as their personal hygiene dictates, which could be better or worse than a hotel.

But, if you're in the higher risk bracket, there really isn't any scenario that's fully safe for you. It's a calculated crapshoot and you're the only one who can decide if it's worth rolling the dice. An important consideration is, of course, who is in your home or personal circle that might be exposed if you bring it back with you. Again, you're the only one who can decide, but you won't be deciding for yourself alone.

[QUOTE=Soco21;4737299]Gentlemen I have a friend who is looking for some kind mongers to treat right an every way. If any of you are Interested in a great Thai GFE fun feel free to hit me up and I will be happy to send you her way!! I have seen her 3 times between the last 2 weeks and it just keeps getting better!! You take this for a test drive and you will be thanking me for ages perfect petite lady with an amazing body and great rack[/QUOTE]Be careful with this one. This is the same girl that StuckNMiddle was promoting last month.

[QUOTE=BoobyHunter;4737847]Interesting. So you think kgirls are for people with low standards? I think most will agree that kgirls consistently have some of the best service here.[/QUOTE]That is absurd. It is a matter of preference and has nothing to do with lower standards. I agree with BH. I can say that when I went to Thailand and Manila, they are very enthusiastic.

[QUOTE=AdcFellow;4738398]Be careful with this one. This is the same girl that StuckNMiddle was promoting last month.[/QUOTE]I don't promote anyone. And the girls I sent info on were white not Thai. If there was a problem a PM would be much better than spreading unwarranted lies bud.

[QUOTE=DrGfe;4738400]That is absurd. It is a matter of preference and has nothing to do with lower standards. I agree with BH. I can say that when I went to Thailand and Manila, they are very enthusiastic.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I was very confused by Deranged's comment on kgirls. Since when did kgirls become the same caliber as BP girls? It's obvious he's never seen a kgirl, or has never been able to get screened. Looking at his past comments, I can tell that he's all talk with no real experience. He hasn't posted any real reviews or info. He chimes in here and there, piggybacking on other people's comments. He's basically another Rice33,34, 35, Kpop1.

Any guy who is on a poon board and says he, "rarely see a woman posted here that I would hook up with in my personal life, let alone pay money for it" and tries to act big is desperately trying to find a hot escort that he can afford. I've seen it time and time again.

Deranged, why make comments on something you clearly don't know about? If you don't like Asian women, that's fine, it's all about what floats your boat. But to say that kgirls are on the same level as BP girls is totally absurd.

[QUOTE=AdcFellow;4738398]Be careful with this one. This is the same girl that StuckNMiddle was promoting last month.[/QUOTE]What did he say?

[QUOTE=Deranged;4738292]For me, it's more than just about the service. My base standards for hookups are: is educated, is beautiful, is in good shape, can speak good (if not fluent) English, and can hold a decent conversation. Strong, strong preference for American women because they are more relatable, and I don't get a nagging feeling in my head that they got flown across the world for this because they had no other options. When I hook up with a girl, I seek both emotional and physical fulfillment.[/QUOTE]LMAO. So you're saying you're making a judgement call on women you've never even seen before and that statement is argumentative because you have no experience with them since they're too low of a caliber for you.

What you're describing is an SO. Why are you even here then? I've looked through your posts and you never actually give a review of anyone. But you do seem to have an opinion on things. Even though what you just said pretty much shows that you haven't really even seen anyone. Instead of giving opinions on things that clearly you don't know anything about, why don't you actually post a review. Who is someone that we can "seek both emotional and physical fulfillment" from?

I've heard that some bring Clorox solution to clean the surfaces.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;4715536]The major hotel chains (Hyatt, Hilton, Marriott, etc.) all have sent out notices about how they've stepped up their cleaning and disinfecting routines. Some providers (and SBs) offer incall in an apartment setting, but that's only as clean as their personal hygiene dictates, which could be better or worse than a hotel.

But, if you're in the higher risk bracket, there really isn't any scenario that's fully safe for you. It's a calculated crapshoot and you're the only one who can decide if it's worth rolling the dice. An important consideration is, of course, who is in your home or personal circle that might be exposed if you bring it back with you. Again, you're the only one who can decide, but you won't be deciding for yourself alone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StuckNmiddle;4704194]A UTR I know is looking to meet a few friends for this weekend only. She's white skinny (not spinner) 23 years old and based out of manassas. She is a little steep in donation range but well worth it. She's only looking for select few so pm if you're interested. CBJ CFS (BBBJ and Greek are YMMV).

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]The girl StuckNMiddle "promoted" in this ad (although he says this is not a promotion) is the same one that was promoted earlier today. I don't have a problem with people promoting talent, but it seems odd that two separate people are both promoting the same girl.

[QUOTE=AdcFellow;4738939]The girl StuckNMiddle "promoted" in this ad (although he says this is not a promotion) is the same one that was promoted earlier today. I don't have a problem with people promoting talent, but it seems odd that two separate people are both promoting the same girl.[/QUOTE]Did you get the phone number from StuckNMiddle and they match or something? CoCo is giving out info for a Thai girl in Reston not a white girl in Manassas. Not sure why you are making a big deal unless you had issues with her.

[QUOTE=AdcFellow;4738939]The girl StuckNMiddle "promoted" in this ad (although he says this is not a promotion) is the same one that was promoted earlier today. I don't have a problem with people promoting talent, but it seems odd that two separate people are both promoting the same girl.[/QUOTE]WTF are you talking about? Soco was talking about a Thai woman and Stuck is talking about a white woman. What really seems odd is that you would post something about someone that aren't even related. Obviously you have an issue with Stuck.

[QUOTE=DonQuiote;4738272]Why would a monger want to take that kind of risk with BBFS?

Why would a provider be willing to take the risk with BBFS?

I think if you want BBFS, get a significant other.

How am I wrong in my thinking?[/QUOTE]The best business advice is to mind your own business. People are going to do what they want, as long as it doesn't infringe upon your rights, don't worry about other's choices.

Just a reminder: NOW IS NOT THE TIME to take chances on CS ads or paying GPS prices! The way things are right now with the economy / pandemic, some providers will try anything to get $ out of you. DO NOT send any money before appointments. DO NOT pay outrageous prices. If she's charging 180-200 for NON GFE, take your business elsewhere or be firm in negotiating.

[QUOTE=Grafenberg;4739033]The best business advice is to mind your own business. People are going to do what they want, as long as it doesn't infringe upon your rights, don't worry about other's choices.[/QUOTE]You could argue this kind of thing could spread STDs and in the end it does infringe upon what you could do. Just like the current outbreak. The public at large is social distancing and taking great measure so that we don't spread this virus. It's going to take all of us to practice some discipline if we want to end the pandemic and get back to "normal" life or to some sort of normalcy. I don't really buy into the idea of "let others do what they want as long as it doesn't impact me" The truth is, IMO, most of what we do have some impact (great or small) on the world and the people living in it.

[QUOTE=OldManInVa;4738974]Did you get the phone number from StuckNMiddle and they match or something? CoCo is giving out info for a Thai girl in Reston not a white girl in Manassas. Not sure why you are making a big deal unless you had issues with her.[/QUOTE]I have zero clue how my name got brought up anyones posts. I know utrs in manassas. White mostly and 2 black girls. If one of them ask for extra help ill post here to let people know. How a 23 yo white skinny (not spinner) gets confused for Thai in reston is beyond me. Thank you for pointing out the obvious flaws in his posts.

[QUOTE=AdcFellow;4738939]The girl StuckNMiddle "promoted" in this ad (although he says this is not a promotion) is the same one that was promoted earlier today. I don't have a problem with people promoting talent, but it seems odd that two separate people are both promoting the same girl.[/QUOTE]This is exactly why people don't post bc of negative bs!! I try and help spread some joy in a time where not much fun is left to pick. The same cut off your nose to spite your face. You must be grumpy from being stuck at home cheer yourself up with some Thai ice cream or get a passafire.

[QUOTE=DonQuiote;4738272]Why would a monger want to take that kind of risk with BBFS?

Why would a provider be willing to take the risk with BBFS?

I think if you want BBFS, get a significant other.

How am I wrong in my thinking?[/QUOTE]Well son, I've been in the hobby since I was stationed in Vietnam and have seldom turned down BBFS. Back in 'Nam I wouldn't use a condom but always shower and pee afterwards and also pop a "no sweat pill" (tetracycline), as recommended by an MD friend. I lived in Latin America for several years as well as in Korea plus three wonderful years in Thailand. Antibiotics changed over time and in recent years it's been Levaquin with an added kick of hand sanitizer on the wand plus the requisite shower and pee. I've never had an STD and have had many, many wonderful bareback sessions. COVID-19 has changed the dynamics but when it's gone it'll still be better than taking a shower in a raincoat.

[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4735799]Just got to search for it in this thread, man. But basically, "regular" is non-GFE and "plus" is GFE. For this region, GFE typically entails LFK, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and CFS (very rarely BBFS, even rarer CIP). A non-GFE would be no kissing of any kind, no DATY, only CBJ, only CFS, and that's it. In other words, very basic service at a reduced rate.[/QUOTE]You are wrong.

How is it you post so much and are always wrong?

Guys, go over to the PG county massage board and go back a while and see how ignorance allowed the basic rate to go up 40% just like that.

For years and years, the difference is ONLY cim service.

It has only been ignorance that has led to some women getting by with service that would have been trashed in the past.

[QUOTE=Soco21;4739283]This is exactly why people don't post bc of negative bs!! I try and help spread some joy in a time where not much fun is left to pick. The same cut off your nose to spite your face. You must be grumpy from being stuck at home cheer yourself up with some Thai ice cream or get a [b]passafire.[/b][/QUOTE]He's an arsonist?

Anyone else keep getting PMs from Rice34? He sent me 3 last night LMAO. What a troll.

[QUOTE=Soco21;4739283]This is exactly why people don't post bc of negative bs!! I try and help spread some joy in a time where not much fun is left to pick. The same cut off your nose to spite your face. You must be grumpy from being stuck at home cheer yourself up with some Thai ice cream or get a passafire.[/QUOTE]Hi Soco1,

Your mailbox must be full, my pm to you didn't go through. Can you please send me the contact. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Rice34;4739325]You are wrong. How is it you post so much and are always wrong? Guys, go over to the PG county massage board and go back a while and see how ignorance allowed the basic rate to go up 40% just like that.

For years and years, the difference is ONLY cim service. It has only been ignorance that has led to some women getting by with service that would have been trashed in the past.[/QUOTE]Alright then, a few things to unpack here:

1) I have no problem admitting fault or making a mistake. I'm human after all. So if Rice34 (or one of the other related users) could explain which other posts I made in error, I'm all ears.

2) Both bookers at AG & DS agencies have only ever quoted me the [U][B]one[/B][/U] rate ladder. If they did indeed have a non-GFE rate or one that doesn't include CIM or MSOG, it was never offered nor advertised to me.

3) Guys from this region who are [U][B]willing[/B][/U] to fork over the extra green are what accounts for the continued rise in rates, and I doubt it's by 40%. Mongers new to the scene or area are guilty of being ignorant of how the scene works at times. Why vilify or shame said folks? Experience will teach them.

4) Lastly, have a beer--or 5--and calm down, buddy. We're all here to share, learn, laugh, reminisce, and enjoy reading other folks' adventures or mishaps. Cheers!

[QUOTE=BoobyHunter;4739550]Anyone else keep getting PMs from Rice34? He sent me 3 last night LMAO. What a troll.[/QUOTE]I got several from him the past 6 months or so. In fact I got one last night from him and I don't even know what he's talking about.

[QUOTE=MangoBalls78;4739799]I got several from him the past 6 months or so. In fact I got one last night from him and I don't even know what he's talking about.[/QUOTE]Yeah, he keeps calling me out and says the same thing over and over, even though I've told him otherwise. He sent me 3 PMs last night LOL.

[QUOTE=BoobyHunter;4739016]WTF are you talking about? Soco was talking about a Thai woman and Stuck is talking about a white woman. What really seems odd is that you would post something about someone that aren't even related. Obviously you have an issue with Stuck.[/QUOTE]I don't even know the guy. I passed info on a UTR in manassas. Gave the description. He supposedly reached out to her and told her no because he was looking for a spinner with huge tits and huge ass but they can't be fake. Good luck with that. He reached out and told me he wasnt interested after talking to the girl. I said ok and never thought of the situation again until this. I guess hes mad at me for not finding what hes looking for? LOL.

Times are tough in NOVA and the mongers are staying in. Everybody is in debt, and living on credit. A visiting monger books a outcall date at a motel. But he wants to check it out first. He goes to the hotel, lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms before signing in. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to his local car repair man. The car repair man pays his debt to his provider, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her "services" on credit. The provider rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the traveler will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves. No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now out of debt and now looks to the future with a lot more optimism. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how a Stimulus package works. However, do not expect your provider to take credit ever again.

[QUOTE=StuckNmiddle;4740552]I don't even know the guy. I passed info on a UTR in manassas. Gave the description. He supposedly reached out to her and told her no because he was looking for a spinner with huge tits and huge ass but they can't be fake. Good luck with that. He reached out and told me he wasnt interested after talking to the girl. I said ok and never thought of the situation again until this. I guess hes mad at me for not finding what hes looking for? LOL.[/QUOTE]LMAO what a beta. It's cry babies like this that need to try dating in real life and then grow a fucking pair. He doesn't need to be so fucking pissy. Like he went after you and shat on Soca's post and Soca was just a bystander LOL.

[QUOTE=WalterKovacs;4743454]I've had top notch K Girls 200/220 for HH and 260 for HR. But 300 an HR is outrageous if I'm giving up the personal info they're requested.

AsianGems is a joke.[/QUOTE]From the Escorts thread. Wow. $40 more is soooo outrageous. LMAO.

[QUOTE=BoobyHunter;4743651]From the Escorts thread. Wow. $40 more is soooo outrageous. LMAO[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm not sure I follow WalterKovac's logic on that one. I wrote a pretty lengthy post explaining my side of things, but I highly doubt he'll even read it.

Ah well, his loss. I'm fully screened with AG and have yet to be let down by them. And I'd totally give Crystal a visit if it weren't for this damn pandemic. Ah well, plenty of fish in the sea as they say.

[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4744370]Yeah, I'm not sure I follow WalterKovac's logic on that one. I wrote a pretty lengthy post explaining my side of things, but I highly doubt he'll even read it.

Ah well, his loss. I'm fully screened with AG and have yet to be let down by them. And I'd totally give Crystal a visit if it weren't for this damn pandemic. Ah well, plenty of fish in the sea as they say.[/QUOTE]I tried to explain to him as well, based on my experiences. For what he wants, he should consider moving to Canada or taking long trips. A long as your phone number looks legit, they'll book you and it's a bargain compared to the DC area. It's his loss, but agencies can choose what they references they'll accept, and we can choose if we want to deal with that or stick with our current set of providers and hope that another agency will answer. You could even book with wechat. I've yet to get any response back from HT or CP. It took for ever just to get anyone from AG or DS to answer my emails and texts.

[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4744370]Yeah, I'm not sure I follow WalterKovac's logic on that one. I wrote a pretty lengthy post explaining my side of things, but I highly doubt he'll even read it.

Ah well, his loss. I'm fully screened with AG and have yet to be let down by them. And I'd totally give Crystal a visit if it weren't for this damn pandemic. Ah well, plenty of fish in the sea as they say.[/QUOTE]I understand his reluctance at giving away his PII, but he makes it sound like it's worth it at $260, but at $300 it's completely irrational LMAO.

[QUOTE=WalterKovacs;4753966]I finally got a response from AG once via email and this was my exchange:

(ironically literally a year ago) I provided first and last name on DL. A credit card with name, references etc. The booker says I will get a call tomorrow. Booker then emails and says to provide a business card which I told her we don't print business cards. She asked what is I do and I said I work at a small social media company. After that ghosted.

Fuck CVIP too. Good for you for standing firm. I only recently attempted with them, offered my references. They said no. I kept it moving. More people should be like you.[/QUOTE]Dude, you've been going on about this for like a week now. Give it a fucking rest. Plenty of other fish in the ocean. You seriously come off as being butthurt by this. If you don't like their screening methods, then move on. You now sound like a little kid who's angry that he can't play with another kid's toy so you talk shit about it so you can rationalize it in your brain that it's not worth it. You've already made a big deal as to their being a huge difference of $40 LMAO.