Philly Sugar

[QUOTE=Apothecary;4106820]LOL GPS: Golden Pussy Syndrome.

I am not surprised why she stopped messaging you. Eight stars per meet is way beyond most of SDs. She is definitely attractive (7. 5/10 for sure) but what you don't know is what you will get out in your home run. In my mind, it's not the risk worth taking. SHE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE so move on and I am sure you can find a better one who will fit in your stars. Your stars are not low by any standards.[/QUOTE]Honestly I didn't see any others. I like super petite skinny chicks. She's a perfect match. You search SA by "slim" body type and over half are far from that. But it is what it is.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0a5babf8-f121-4c92-9760-24765d45eb35[/URL]

Jenn2020 one wants 700-1000 per meet. She looks hot but I have far better things to do for a grand.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a8afdec7-845f-4aef-bed3-d6e2ec4fda01[/URL]

Mespa started at 500, I talked to her a little while back. I have a feeling that's negotiable, but she wanted a paid meet and greet first which is a no-go for me. I offered to do the meet and greet then start the arrangement immediately after if we click, and she wouldn't commit. I found her social media and she has a kid. From some of the photos, it looks like she may have some loose skin / baby damage, so between that and the fact that I had a better option at the time, I ghosted her. She is a real person, but I have no idea if she's serious about an arrangement or if she's just looking to do paid M&Gs.

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;4107185]Honestly I didn't see any others. I like super petite skinny chicks. She's a perfect match. You search SA by "slim" body type and over half are far from that. But it is what it is.[/QUOTE]It's funny, most GPS girls I've encountered have wanted to talk about the allowance before we meet. TinyAngel doesn't, unless she's waiting until the last minute.

But I agree, not many genuinely slim girls on SA these days. Maybe things will pick up once the students get settled into the new semester.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e4c79102-d48f-45be-8422-99424639640a[/URL]

I found LouWolf's social media, and she seems real. I like alternative girls in general but she may be a bit much for me, and I don't find her all that attractive. She's probably a wild time though. She wants 300 per meet.

Anyone here have a solid SA relationship with a young athletic built female? It seems Atlantic / Jacksonville has it going on. But from Philly posts, its unclear as to whether the Philly profiles are majority fake. I read threads awhile back saying temple zip code is the place to check.

[QUOTE=Focuses;4107340]Anyone here have a solid SA relationship with a young athletic built female? It seems Atlantic / Jacksonville has it going on. But from Philly posts, its unclear as to whether the Philly profiles are majority fake. I read threads awhile back saying temple zip code is the place to check.[/QUOTE]Some my my experience is in the midwest. But from my prior experience, the site seems somewhat cyclical, or at least my luck on the site seems that way. Occasionally I'll have a month when I don't really find any good prospects. And I've had months where I found more great prospects than I could possibly handle (or afford).

I'm not in an arrangement right now, but I've had two solid relationships with young, very attractive students. And in the course of looking for those I met a few other great possibilities who I passed on for various reasons. Of course I met with a few who flaked out. They were real but perhaps not ready for an arrangement.

My last arrangement was with a really fun college student, 5'6", thin and very pretty. She had a great attitude and was intelligent. We met weekly for 250.

From my limited experience in Philly, the temple girls do seem to be willing and reasonable when it comes to allowance. Temple classes just started up again, so I'm hoping that the activity on the site picks up soon.

This one wants 300 and can host. She's probably willing to negotiate. She seems a little to professional for me. I have no problem with pros, but not at SB prices.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d3414755-de0f-412c-a2a5-c32f6888ae16[/URL]

[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;4108701]This one wants 300 and can host. She's probably willing to negotiate. She seems a little to professional for me. I have no problem with pros, but not at SB prices.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d3414755-de0f-412c-a2a5-c32f6888ae16[/URL][/QUOTE]Were you able to verify that she is indeed the person in the photos? Where do these young students host? Dorm, off campus apartments?

[QUOTE=Focuses;4108922]Were you able to verify that she is indeed the person in the photos? Where do these young students host? Dorm, off campus apartments?[/QUOTE]I wasn't able to verify if this one is real. I'm not interested but I thought I'd pass along the info in case anyone was interested. I'm sure she'll take less.

All of the students I've seen can't host. I usually get a room the first few times, then if it turns into a long term arrangement we go to my place after we build up some trust. Obviously you need to be careful about that, but I'm single with nothing to hide.

Dipping my toes into this scene. Just curious if anyone has used whatsyourprice and also wonder if anyone has seen this girl.

just trying to figure out if this is a bs place or what..

Thanks!

[QUOTE=BareInBear;4137640]Dipping my toes into this scene. Just curious if anyone has used whatsyourprice and also wonder if anyone has seen this girl.

just trying to figure out if this is a bs place or what..

Thanks![/QUOTE]Not familiar with that site, but am I correct seeing there that you have to offer her $100 to have a first time meetup? If so that's kinda ridiculous. Norm is to have the first casual (no intimacy) date for free, or if you want maybe just pay for food at most.

Don't offer money for first time meetups without intimacy. Any potential SB who is actually serious about getting into this is almost always willing to meet for free the first time for food or some other random non-intimate date. The fact that they want money up front is a big red flag.

Let me start by saying I have had incredible success. I have been banging out more hotttt 18-22 year old girls than when I was 22, in my senior of college and in a frat.

I have been finding a lot of girls who have never met another guy off a site before. They are fresh, gorgeous and it is like being 22 again.

When Backpage / TER died, I thought my sex life was going to fall off. Little did I know, those sites dying would push me toward arrangements, which is the best thing that ever happened to me.

Some tips:

1) I got the paid subscriptions. If you want to meet the gems, it is a numbers game. Must make lots of contacts to get a success.

2) Don't talk explicit on the site. The site will nail you for solication, shut down your account, threaten you, etc. Get the girls text you as quickly as possible. I use a burner phone for the hobby.

3) The price for first meet is $300-500. They will agree to less, but usually won't show. $300-500 is the sweet spot where they will show up. For this price you will get the cream of the crop for UTR.

4) Meets are always in hotels of my choosing, that I pay for as well. These girls live in the dorms or with boyfriends. Their boyfriends never know about the arrangements. They are little sneaks.

5) These girls are college students. Most don't drink or use drugs.

6) For $300-500 the first meet should be in a hotel. I don't even entertain "meeting for coffee" etc. But I will send my pics and spend a little bit of time texting to let them get comfortable.

7) For $300-500 everything should be on the menu. Sessions should last 2-4 hours.

8) After the initial meet you can renegotiate a lower price. Once they are comfortable with you, most will even do freebies, $200/ meet, etc.

I hope some of this info helps.

Yesterday morning I woke up early and decided to hop on the site for a few hours. I sent out around 40 messages, no cut & paste, all unique. I got a few responses, four if my memory serves me correctly.

The responses are a game in and of themselves. Weeding out the scammers and spammers. It takes some due diligence, but in the end the hard work always pays off.

So far, I have completed my first several "steps":

1) Login and send messages to attractive girls 18-22.

2) Sit back and wait for the responses.

My first two responses tonight wanted me to send them money. These messages were probably sent by some Nigerian man. But the third response was the gem.

The third response came from a beautiful, 20 year old coed from LaSalle named Nicole. We text throughout the day.

Here is something else. I have all young ladies send me a copy of their drivers license. They can black out the address, but I want to see date of birth. I am not taking any risks with minors.

Nicole sent me her license after we had built a rapport. I agreed to pay her $300 for three hours of her companionship, with the promise that if things went well it would lead to more dates. She agreed to swallow, BBFS, no anal but I could finger her butthole.

Today (12 pm) I went to pick her up. My heart was racing. Nicole lives in college apartments near the LaSalle campus, which is in a pretty ghetto area.

When Nicole walked out I knew my trip had been worth it. Her pictures were all legit. 5'7, 110 lbs, perfect body and complexion. She has the cutest dimples, deep blue eyes and dirty blonde hair. She wore a demin dress with a green tube top.

We made small talk in the car on the way to the hotel. I got a suite at the Feathnest Inn, in Bensalem. I checked in before picking Nicole up so I could have porn on the tv and some flavored lube next to the bed. The Feathernest has a very reasonable day rate.

From the moment I picked her up Nicole seemed nervous and shy. She confided in me that this the first time she had done this. She also told me I was only the third man she had sex with.

We spent the next three hours banged like college kids. I ate a viagra so I could keep going. I left her so sore she could barely sit down or talk. We did it in the jacuzzi, shower, bed, desk. What an amazing experience.

Afterward I dropped a Nicole back at Temple and went back to work. Not a bad midday treat!

Hey guys, I'm not new I had a user name but I forgot all that info and change my e-mail. So I'm starting fresh again. Been hobbying for sometime now. Just trying to put in my work as well. This site and the others that have fallen or heavier restricted now was a great help. Anyways, I just notice that the girls on SA most are on WYP site as well. I played around with the new site first since nobody really knows about it. Other than the guy who brought it here. I must say how it works is you put an offer price out there. That's not what you will agree upon meeting. It's more so to allow you to speak to the girl through messages through the site. So far all girls are quick to give the # to discuss the details off the site. I had one today tried to get into detail from the site. I wouldn't respond to her question. I just said give me your # we can speak off-line. I'm glad she did because moments later after we where texting back and fourth, she tells me she just got banned. I made her aware the date price isn't the price we will pay. It's amount of credits to unlock to speak to them. Almost like the membership. So, if you keep it $75 and below it's 15 credits. $200 is like 40 credits, $150 is 30 cr and $100 is 20 cr. I started noticing that the pic's from each site were the same and things click. 1 site might have more than the other and vise versa. The recommended credit purchase is $150 for 450 cr. I hope this helps. I will make it my duty to post a more. I hope this helps!

[QUOTE=DoNotDeevee8;4148026]
Here is something else. I have all young ladies send me a copy of their drivers license. They can black out the address, but I want to see date of birth. I am not taking any risks with minors. Today (12 pm) I went to pick her up. My heart was racing. Nicole lives in college apartments near the LaSalle campus, which is in a pretty ghetto area.
[/QUOTE]A. Yeah, right. Bet she gave you her bank account info too. B -- Is she a nympho female Doogie Howser or is LaSalle letting in any old 17 year old who lives in student housing with non-minors?

[QUOTE=DoNotDeevee8;4148026]
When Nicole walked out I knew my trip had been worth it. Her pictures were all legit. 5'7, 110 lbs, perfect body and complexion. She has the cutest dimples, deep blue eyes and dirty blonde hair. [/QUOTE]No one matching this description active on Seeking in the past 3 weeks -- you know her height and age from her profile so you weren't guessing. Guess she was so blown away by the exprience she must have deactivated.

[QUOTE=DoNotDeevee8;4148026]
We made small talk in the car on the way to the hotel. I got a suite at the Feathnest Inn, in Bensalem. I checked in before picking Nicole up so I could have porn on the tv and some flavored lube next to the bed. The Feathernest has a very reasonable day rate.[/QUOTE]That's a 45 minute drive according to MapQuest. So a girl who has never had a sugar daddy and only fucked 2 other guys in her life, agrees to get in a car for a 45 min drive with a man 2 x her age who did not provide his license for verification, so she could fuck all day for $300 bucks? So just so I'm clear, you checked in at 11 -- after driving however far from your place to Bensalem -- then picked her up at noon, back to the hotel at 1 pm, fucked for 3 hours, got cleaned up (so check in at 11, check out no earlier than 430, rather generous day use) and then dropped her off around 530. So you both burned an entire day on a $300 fuck fest?

[QUOTE=DoNotDeevee8;4148026]
From the moment I picked her up Nicole seemed nervous and shy. She confided in me that this the first time she had done this. She also told me I was only the third man she had sex with.[/QUOTE]Amazing. She only confided this to you after meeting you in person, yet she fucked all day.

[QUOTE=DoNotDeevee8;4148026]
Afterward I dropped a Nicole back at Temple and went back to work. Not a bad midday treat![/QUOTE]I guess she transferred to a better school after your generous tuition assistance.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4154292]A. Yeah, right. Bet she gave you her bank account info too. B -- Is she a nympho female Doogie Howser or is LaSalle letting in any old 17 year old who lives in student housing with non-minors?

No one matching this description active on Seeking in the past 3 weeks -- you know her height and age from her profile so you weren't guessing. Guess she was so blown away by the exprience she must have deactivated.

That's a 45 minute drive according to MapQuest. So a girl who has never had a sugar daddy and only fucked 2 other guys in her life, agrees to get in a car for a 45 min drive with a man 2 x her age who did not provide his license for verification, so she could fuck all day for $300 bucks? So just so I'm clear, you checked in at 11 -- after driving however far from your place to Bensalem -- then picked her up at noon, back to the hotel at 1 pm, fucked for 3 hours, got cleaned up (so check in at 11, check out no earlier than 430, rather generous day use) and then dropped her off around 530. So you both burned an entire day on a $300 fuck fest?

Amazing. She only confided this to you after meeting you in person, yet she fucked all day.

I guess she transferred to a better school after your generous tuition assistance.[/QUOTE]It is unfortunate your luck is not as good as mine. I have had SBs tell me that certain guys creep them out, so they are a little more selective than other females in the hobby. Based on your attitude and post, this is my guess.

Hi Guys,

I'm visiting from Boston for one day in Phila (Mon 18 to Tues 19). I would really appreciate if anyone can pass digits of a SA girl I can have fun with. I would be glad to do the same if ever anyone were to come over here in Mass.

Thank you.

I'd like to get an email thread or even a group sms text going.

SA is fun. I've met some unbelievable girls there (miss Delaware! The money can be reasonable too.

But it's just so much damn work to separate the pepper from the fly poop.

Maybe if we band together, we can make this more productive!

I will ask to verify that you have a valid active account. I'm not your information sugar daddy! LOL.

Pm me here.

So I just set up my account to SA. I have a general guide line of what I am looking for and willing to spend thanks to the posts in this forum. Just a couple a question before I pay for this account I'm only going to pay for 1 month and see how many numbers I can get.

So just to get my run down straight I'm going to be setting up a PPM arrangement I've read since guys do 25. To 30. We know we want the fun at the end of the date but are some of you guys actually going on dates or just straight to the room? If you are dating how long like movie dinner then room? I know YMMV for every girl just making sure that those prices include a couple hours of an actual date?

Do some of you build a actually friendship / long term arrangement? And how is that going.

I am looking for an SB to meet 2-3 times a month for when I come into work 100% NSA I'm married but live many many states away. That can hang out 4-6 hours and still be DTF after being wine and dined.

[QUOTE=DoNotDeevee8;4146768]Let me start by saying I have had incredible success. I have been banging out more hotttt 18-22 year old girls than when I was 22, in my senior of college and in a frat.

[/QUOTE]I usually find most of my sugar in the Richmond area where I live, but I get to eastern PA often on business and there is plenty of great looking young pussy for hire in PA as well, and not just on the sugar sites. I have had success selectively recruiting strippers, girls on dating sites and even cashiers and girls in fast food joints and malls. All you need is the right game. There are plenty of hot young amateurs willing to drop their drawers for the right persuasion techniques and monetary incentive.

Most of my SBs are in Virginia where I live. However, I spend about 50% of my time in eastern PA on business so PA is like a second home. This new SB recruit actually lives in western NJ near Philly. She wanted to bring a friend to our initial tryst. First time jitters I guess. Got to love it. When she showed up at the hotel she had two friends with her. What the hell, the more the merrier.

The three of them were clearly into one another, but my sense was that they had never done this with a guy before. They seemed very shy, tentative and giggly. All the hotter.

They got comfortable as we talked and had a few drinks and the prettiest two were soon all over one another. They tore off each other's clothes, and then went to town kissing, fingering and sucking. It was quite a show: screaming, screeching, squealing and squirting. After the show they took turns sucking and fucking me. It was wild. They giggled and laughed and egged one another on. The third one didn't even take off her clothes and just sat there quietly observing the whole scene. It was fun to watch the expressions on her face.

They finally succeeded in getting the third one to join the party. The first two were exhibitionists but the third refused to be photographed without her clothes. She wasn't as pretty or well built as the first two but she was the best cock sucker of the bunch, not that any of them were bad at it.

We played for several hours until I had no more strength or semen. Or so I thought. They proceeded to have a three way orgy show for me. I thought I was finished but the show motivated me to one more erection which they finished off for me as I stood and one rimmed me from behind while the other two gave me sloppy DT from the front. I was able to last and enjoy that for a long time. It was good that it came last because in the beginning I would have popped from that action in 5 minutes.

I have had my share of SB threesomes. But never a foursome until now. I highly recommend it.

Life IS good my brothers.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4225081]Most of my SBs are in Virginia where I live. However, I spend about 50% of my time in eastern PA on business so PA is like a second home. This new SB recruit actually lives in western NJ near Philly. She wanted to bring a friend to our initial tryst. First time jitters I guess. Got to love it. When she showed up at the hotel she had two friends with her. What the hell, the more the merrier.

The three of them were clearly into one another, but my sense was that they had never done this with a guy before. They seemed very shy, tentative and giggly. All the hotter.

They got comfortable as we talked and had a few drinks and the prettiest two were soon all over one another. They tore off each other's clothes, and then went to town kissing, fingering and sucking. It was quite a show: screaming, screeching, squealing and squirting. After the show they took turns sucking and fucking me. It was wild. They giggled and laughed and egged one another on. The third one didn't even take off her clothes and just sat there quietly observing the whole scene. It was fun to watch the expressions on her face.

They finally succeeded in getting the third one to join the party. The first two were exhibitionists but the third refused to be photographed without her clothes. She wasn't as pretty or well built as the first two but she was the best cock sucker of the bunch, not that any of them were bad at it.

We played for several hours until I had no more strength or semen. Or so I thought. They proceeded to have a three way orgy show for me. I thought I was finished but the show motivated me to one more erection which they finished off for me as I stood and one rimmed me from behind while the other two gave me sloppy DT from the front. I was able to last and enjoy that for a long time. It was good that it came last because in the beginning I would have popped from that action in 5 minutes.

I have had my share of SB threesomes. But never a foursome until now. I highly recommend it.

Life IS good my brothers.[/QUOTE]Wow! This is a great report. I have always hinted to my girls that I wouldn't mind if they brought a friend or 2 or 3 (ha). Did you really not know 3 were coming before they showed up at the door? Did they all expect an "allowance"?

Wow. I'd love to get a hold of this one for a few hours or days!!

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4225081]Most of my SBs are in Virginia where I live. However, I spend about 50% of my time in eastern PA on business so PA is like a second home. This new SB recruit actually lives in western NJ near Philly. She wanted to bring a friend to our initial tryst. First time jitters I guess. Got to love it. When she showed up at the hotel she had two friends with her. What the hell, the more the merrier.

The three of them were clearly into one another, but my sense was that they had never done this with a guy before. They seemed very shy, tentative and giggly. All the hotter.

They got comfortable as we talked and had a few drinks and the prettiest two were soon all over one another. They tore off each other's clothes, and then went to town kissing, fingering and sucking. It was quite a show: screaming, screeching, squealing and squirting. After the show they took turns sucking and fucking me. It was wild. They giggled and laughed and egged one another on. The third one didn't even take off her clothes and just sat there quietly observing the whole scene. It was fun to watch the expressions on her face.

They finally succeeded in getting the third one to join the party. The first two were exhibitionists but the third refused to be photographed without her clothes. She wasn't as pretty or well built as the first two but she was the best cock sucker of the bunch, not that any of them were bad at it.

We played for several hours until I had no more strength or semen. Or so I thought. They proceeded to have a three way orgy show for me. I thought I was finished but the show motivated me to one more erection which they finished off for me as I stood and one rimmed me from behind while the other two gave me sloppy DT from the front. I was able to last and enjoy that for a long time. It was good that it came last because in the beginning I would have popped from that action in 5 minutes.

I have had my share of SB threesomes. But never a foursome until now. I highly recommend it.

Life IS good my brothers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LogJammin18;4225257]Wow! This is a great report. I have always hinted to my girls that I wouldn't mind if they brought a friend or 2 or 3 (ha). Did you really not know 3 were coming before they showed up at the door? Did they all expect an "allowance"?[/QUOTE]I didn't know she was bringing any friends until she called me sheepishly right before she arrived and asked if it was ok if she brought a friend, that she hadn't done this before and she would feel more comfortable. The third friend was an additional surprise at the door. We never discussed additional "allowances" but I did "tip" them for their services because it was the right thing to do, I had a great time and I wanted to repeat the experience.

[QUOTE=Cola1965;4225323]Wow. I'd love to get a hold of this one for a few hours or days!![/QUOTE]Yes. She was the firecracker of the trio. Whatever she wanted to do and did, the other two would follow.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4225512]Yes. She was the firecracker of the trio. Whatever she wanted to do and did, the other two would follow.[/QUOTE]Can you post her profile?

[QUOTE=JohnLongDong;4225608]Can you post her profile?[/QUOTE]As I have mentioned before, I have found it useful to recruit SBs in many different ways other than sugar sites. This one was not on a sugar site. She was a cashier at a fast food joint. To repeat myself. All you need is the right game. There are plenty of hot young amateurs willing to drop their drawers for the right persuasion techniques and monetary incentive.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4225512]Yes. She was the firecracker of the trio. Whatever she wanted to do and did, the other two would follow.[/QUOTE]Well done and soooo Jelly!

Great work my man! I don't think I have the game or guts to make that kind of move on a cashier.

She's hot as hell, if I had seen that pic on an ad, I would think it was a fake bot ad!! I'm not going to bother you for her details, I understand how finds like this aren't usually looking to be shared. I'll just sit her jealous!! Ha.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4226100]As I have mentioned before, I have found it useful to recruit SBs in many different ways other than sugar sites. This one was not on a sugar site. She was a cashier at a fast food joint. To repeat myself. All you need is the right game. There are plenty of hot young amateurs willing to drop their drawers for the right persuasion techniques and monetary incentive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4226100]As I have mentioned before, I have found it useful to recruit SBs in many different ways other than sugar sites. This one was not on a sugar site. She was a cashier at a fast food joint. To repeat myself. All you need is the right game. There are plenty of hot young amateurs willing to drop their drawers for the right persuasion techniques and monetary incentive.[/QUOTE]Good game. I salute you.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4226100]As I have mentioned before, I have found it useful to recruit SBs in many different ways other than sugar sites. This one was not on a sugar site. She was a cashier at a fast food joint. To repeat myself. All you need is the right game. There are plenty of hot young amateurs willing to drop their drawers for the right persuasion techniques and monetary incentive.[/QUOTE]Any chance of telling us locals which fast food joint and what her meal cost?

[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;4109259]All of the students I've seen can't host. I usually get a room the first few times, then if it turns into a long term arrangement we go to my place after we build up some trust. Obviously you need to be careful about that, but I'm single with nothing to hide.[/QUOTE]You are clearly free to handle your SB dates any way you like. However, a word of caution about hosting at your place. All kinds of dangers lurk from this practice not to mention jealous bfs, angry friends / relatives, extortionists and psycho stalkers. There is mad truth in the saying that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. These are problems enough with civvies but when you terminate a relationship with a young SB you don't always want them to know who you are or where you live. Stories abound on the downside of this and I have mentioned but a few of the negative possibilities. The cost of a hotel room could be the cheapest insurance you ever buy.

[QUOTE=Hexxxed;4230237]Any chance of telling us locals which fast food joint and what her meal cost?[/QUOTE]My suggestion is to find any fast food joint with a hot cashier and practice your game.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4230332]You are clearly free to handle your SB dates any way you like. However, a word of caution about hosting at your place. All kinds of dangers lurk from this practice not to mention jealous bfs, angry friends / relatives, extortionists and psycho stalkers. There is mad truth in the saying that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. These are problems enough with civvies but when you terminate a relationship with a young SB you don't always want them to know who you are or where you live. Stories abound on the downside of this and I have mentioned but a few of the negative possibilities. The cost of a hotel room could be the cheapest insurance you ever buy.[/QUOTE]Point taken, and I wouldn't argue any of that. I live in a secure doorman building and have nothing to hide or hide from. So I manage my risks accordingly, but I'm not saying I recommend it to others. Especially if you're married, work a sensitive job, etc.

The only girls I've brought to my place are ones whose identity I have already confirmed. They've all been legit university students. And I know their identity, found their social media, etc. I don't have social media, other than the accounts I've set up for the identity I use for SA.

The closest thing I had to a problem was actually from a girl finding my real name through my license place number. So I'd caution guys against using their own cars too, especially for an initial meet up before you vet the girl.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4205621]I usually find most of my sugar in the Richmond area where I live, but I get to eastern PA often on business and there is plenty of great looking young pussy for hire in PA as well, and not just on the sugar sites. I have had success selectively recruiting strippers, girls on dating sites and even cashiers and girls in fast food joints and malls. All you need is the right game. There are plenty of hot young amateurs willing to drop their drawers for the right persuasion techniques and monetary incentive.[/QUOTE]My long-term SB is graduating soon and will be leaving town. So I'm on the hunt again. I've never thought about trying to meet SBs out in the wild but your post has inspired me to try something new. Would you mind if I asked what the allowance has normally been in your experience?

Strippers seem easy enough to meet, I've picked up a few for freebies although granted that was 8-10 years ago when there wasn't as much of an age difference. But I always figure they make enough cash at the club that the allowance they'd expect for a private meeting will be on the high side. Of course I may be wrong and I'd love to hear your experiences.

I imagine the allowance for a fast-food cashier making minimum wage would be much more reasonable.

But I'd be very grateful for any tips or advice. I'm particularly interested in how you make the transition from flirting / game to actually setting up an arrangement. It seems that conversation could easily go terribly wrong.

[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;4232587]Point taken, and I wouldn't argue any of that. I live in a secure doorman building and have nothing to hide or hide from. So I manage my risks accordingly, but I'm not saying I recommend it to others. Especially if you're married, work a sensitive job, etc.

The only girls I've brought to my place are ones whose identity I have already confirmed. They've all been legit university students. And I know their identity, found their social media, etc. I don't have social media, other than the accounts I've set up for the identity I use for SA.

The closest thing I had to a problem was actually from a girl finding my real name through my license place number. So I'd caution guys against using their own cars too, especially for an initial meet up before you vet the girl.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are pretty careful. But one can never be TOO careful.

I have dated over 250 SBs and I have had serious trouble with 3 of them. All three had very bad attitudes, so it was clear from the start that there would be difficulties. All three only lasted one date, one more indication of bad news. In all cases they made threats after being dumped / ignored that were not credible, because I took precautions: rented car and burner phone. However, the threats were scary enough to lose some sleep over them and perhaps that was the intention in the first place.

There are plenty of psychos in the world, and it only takes one to make your life miserable. You can be identified through your license plate so renting a car is always a good idea. A burner phone is a must. These precautions are cheap compared to the potential consequences.

[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;4232608]My long-term SB is graduating soon and will be leaving town. So I'm on the hunt again. I've never thought about trying to meet SBs out in the wild but your post has inspired me to try something new. Would you mind if I asked what the allowance has normally been in your experience?

Strippers seem easy enough to meet, I've picked up a few for freebies although granted that was 8-10 years ago when there wasn't as much of an age difference. But I always figure they make enough cash at the club that the allowance they'd expect for a private meeting will be on the high side. Of course I may be wrong and I'd love to hear your experiences.

I imagine the allowance for a fast-food cashier making minimum wage would be much more reasonable.

But I'd be very grateful for any tips or advice. I'm particularly interested in how you make the transition from flirting / game to actually setting up an arrangement. It seems that conversation could easily go terribly wrong.[/QUOTE]Strippers are definitely easiest to recruit. After all, they are already taking off their clothes for you and spreading wide to show you the goods. It is a small step to after hour activities if they are so inclined. I usually propose 100-200 and the prospect of regular meets. 150 usually does the job and 200 almost always seals the deal. A few have required 300, but I have offered this only when they are super hot and I was traveling and knew I would not be back in the area anytime soon.

150 has also been my sweet spot for recruiting civvies. Sometimes I have gotten away with 100 and sometimes I have had to sweeten the pot to 200 to persuade one that was almost there. After small talk, and bringing up the SD idea, it is really the same type of conversation and negotiation that one has in a M&G from a sugar site.

You obviously want to be having a private conversation with civvies when making the transition from flirting to cash proposition. In the case of fast food cashiers I usually flirt at the counter and then ask them to join me for a cup of coffee at their break, that I have something very important to ask them. You need to gauge when to ask based on the progress of the small talk. Each situation is different. Usually I base it on their financial situation. If they are a student, struggling financially, whatever, that is a perfect opportunity to broach the SB subject. I have done this in many different ways: one example would be: " I understand that it is very hard to make it these days. If there was an opportunity for you to make a lot more money than you are making here, would that be something you would be willing to explore?" Almost always that is a yes. "I don't want to insult you or be too bold, but you are extremely pretty. Have you ever thought about having a Sugar Daddy?" There are obviously many variations of this approach. If you do it right, even if they are not interested, they are flattered. Girls have egos too. I have never had a bad experience doing this. At best you recruited a SB. At worst you had a nice conversation with a pretty young girl. I defuse the refusals by saying something like: "Hey, I understand. It's not for you. But you are so beautiful. You can't blame a guy for trying. If you ever change your mind I would definitely be interested."

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4232658]Strippers are definitely easiest to recruit. After all, they are already taking off their clothes for you and spreading wide to show you the goods. It is a small step to after hour activities if they are so inclined. I usually propose 100-200 and the prospect of regular meets. 150 usually does the job and 200 almost always seals the deal. A few have required 300, but I have offered this only when they are super hot and I was traveling and knew I would not be back in the area anytime soon.

150 has also been my sweet spot for recruiting civvies. Sometimes I have gotten away with 100 and sometimes I have had to sweeten the pot to 200 to persuade one that was almost there. After small talk, and bringing up the SD idea, it is really the same type of conversation and negotiation that one has in a M&G from a sugar site.

You obviously want to be having a private conversation with civvies when making the transition from flirting to cash proposition. In the case of fast food cashiers I usually flirt at the counter and then ask them to join me for a cup of coffee at their break, that I have something very important to ask them. You need to gauge when to ask based on the progress of the small talk. Each situation is different. Usually I base it on their financial situation. If they are a student, struggling financially, whatever, that is a perfect opportunity to broach the SB subject. I have done this in many different ways: one example would be: " I understand that it is very hard to make it these days. If there was an opportunity for you to make a lot more money than you are making here, would that be something you would be willing to explore?" Almost always that is a yes. "I don't want to insult you or be too bold, but you are extremely pretty.[/QUOTE]I follow past SBs on Instagram and follow their friends. I have messaged a few on insta letting them know that I was a SD of one of her friends in the past, but always wondered if she (the friends I messaged) was interested in a SB relationship as well. Usually, you will just get blocked, but it has worked a few times.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4232630]Sounds like you are pretty careful. But one can never be TOO careful.

I have dated over 250 SBs and I have had serious trouble with 3 of them. All three had very bad attitudes, so it was clear from the start that there would be difficulties. All three only lasted one date, one more indication of bad news. In all cases they made threats after being dumped / ignored that were not credible, because I took precautions: rented car and burner phone. However, the threats were scary enough to lose some sleep over them and perhaps that was the intention in the first place.

There are plenty of psychos in the world, and it only takes one to make your life miserable. You can be identified through your license plate so renting a car is always a good idea. A burner phone is a must. These precautions are cheap compared to the potential consequences.[/QUOTE]That's very true. If you have a lot to lose you should never let your guard down. I suppose I've been lucky, the one crazy stalker I met just had daddy issues and wanted to marry me. So she wasn't really dangerous, but you never know. She still calls me and wants to meet up, but I believe she's harmless. And in any event, we never had a financial arrangement, we just dated for a while as civilians. She's one of the rare girls on SA who just wanted to meet and date an older guy.

I'm guessing that if you've dated 250 SBs, many of them weren't long term? That's a different world obviously. I love short-term and one and done arrangements but I am very careful around those girls. The SBs I'm talking about who I took home were all long-term girls who I got to know pretty well. Many of them I went on a few platonic dates with first (with no allowance, of course), and really got to know them before starting the arrangement. And just to add some general info to this post, my last one was a Temple art student, 22 now but she was 21 when we met, 5'9", blonde, slim, and she was thrilled with 250 per meet.

Like most of us here, I suspect, I love the variety offered by short-term arrangements and I may focus on those for a while since my long-term one is ending. But a long-term arrangement can be really fun too, especially with an intelligent and beautiful college student.

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150 has also been my sweet spot for recruiting civvies. Sometimes I have gotten away with 100 and sometimes I have had to sweeten the pot to 200 to persuade one that was almost there. After small talk, and bringing up the SD idea, it is really the same type of conversation and negotiation that one has in a M&G from a sugar site....[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for the tips and the hard numbers.